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#2855678 - 05/16/17 04:57 PM Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7
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Tench in the Keyboard Mag interview:

"I have a Nord Stage EX on top of the Steinway, and I also have a Vox Continental with a Yamaha DX7 on top. I use the DX7 only for ďDonít Come Around Here No More,Ē because I donít like DX7ís at all. But thatís what makes that sound!

If we didnít play ďDonít Come Around Here No MoreĒ ever again, which wouldnít make me happy, I would have a party and get an axe, and Iíd make a big bonfire, and I would destroy that damn thing. I hate the DX7."


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#2855681 - 05/16/17 05:32 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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#2855682 - 05/16/17 05:35 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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I saw a recent video of Tench giving a video tour of his Hearthbreakers setup. He did mention the same, although not as detailed.

Funny thing is, the DX7 sound in question is nothing but a thin bowed string sound that could easily be either sampled or reproduced with a plugin like FM8, heck, he could just have a tiny TX7 box offstage and save 40 lbs of gear...but noooooo. smile

BTW, I was listening to Bonnie Raitt's 1991 "Luck of the Draw" album recently, and Tench plays organ on the entire album. So that's not only Bruce Hornsby on piano and Oberheim pads you hear on "I Can't Make You Love Me," but Benmont Tench on the B3 as well.


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#2855685 - 05/16/17 07:18 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: elsongs]
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LOL what a ball buster!
Time to ask his tech to use the Nord sampling app to capture the DX7 patch for that tune. Shit, the guy can play whatever he wants. Maybe we send him FM8 for his birthday. wink Or better yet, a DX100. "Heard you hated your DX7... try this instead". Teehee!
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#2855736 - 05/17/17 06:04 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2855744 - 05/17/17 06:37 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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[quote=ElmerJFudd]LOL what a ball buster!

Hey, if you don't like it...don't come around here no more.

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#2855752 - 05/17/17 07:04 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Markyboard]
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if he's gonna destroy it, he should use a trebuchet.
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#2855773 - 05/17/17 08:17 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
Tench in the Keyboard Mag interview:

I hate the DX7."


I like this guy

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#2855809 - 05/17/17 10:22 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: The Real MC]
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I don't understand him. Seems so proud of all the other vintage equipment. B3, Wurly, Piano. Yet when it comes to the DX7, he's mad about it.

He could play that bowed string sound on the Nord or Oberheim (like he wants to switch back too) and no one would know the difference.

In the most recent video, he's playing a Steinway B piano he brags about. Yet in this video from 2006, he's playing a Yamaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb0UXPK_O-8
Can anyone tell the difference between the Steinway B and the Yamaha? Probably not unless you hear them side by side.

Are the guitars playing the exact same instruments as the record? Probably not. So what is it that makes him hate that DX7?

Honestly, it's almost as if Tom or the engineer are making him play that for the one song.


Edited by SkiGuy777 (05/17/17 10:24 AM)
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#2855813 - 05/17/17 10:35 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: SkiGuy777]
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Anybody here ever program one? I can relate.
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#2855819 - 05/17/17 11:03 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Toano88]
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Yeah, it seemed strange considering that I'm sure he has the resources to get the same sound out of any number of modern synths, but you have to admire his obvious dedication to authenticity.
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#2855828 - 05/17/17 11:23 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: SkiGuy777]
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Originally Posted By: SkiGuy777
In the most recent video, he's playing a Steinway B piano he brags about. Yet in this video from 2006, he's playing a Yamaha.


It is well known that videos are not a reliable source of actual instruments played.

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So what is it that makes him hate that DX7?


He explains in the interview that it is tedious to program. Very few owners of FM synths are competent FM sound designers. The Yamaha FM synths have a poor interface (Benmont mentions the lack of knobs) and it is extremely difficult to predict how modifying an FM patch will sound.

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#2855829 - 05/17/17 11:27 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: richforman]
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There's got to be something else going on here. There's absolutely nothing in the track that requires a DX7, or would be easier to do on a DX7 than any number of other synths.

I just listened to the track. I thought it would never end. Someone should have edited that thing down to under 3 1/2 minutes. I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.

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#2855830 - 05/17/17 11:30 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Bill H.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill H.
I just listened to the track. I thought it would never end. Someone should have edited that thing down to under 3 1/2 minutes. I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.


I love the Heartbreakers but have to agree; I've never understood the appeal of that song. It's tedious and repetitive. And tedious and repetitive.
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#2855834 - 05/17/17 11:38 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Dr88s]
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Well he is at the level to do what he wants anyway. He is carrying a grand for god sakes.
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#2855835 - 05/17/17 11:40 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Dr88s]
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Tench is one of my biggest influences, and I love every note he has ever played...that said, he is the only guy in the biz who gets to tour with a studio of vintage gear...the holy trinity of rock n roll piano players (Elton, Billy and Professor Bittan...) all trigger samples or VI from their pianos...poor Chuck Leavall has to use a yamaha CP-300 or CP-4...it costs big bucks to tour with a rig like his...shows how appreciated he is by his band.


Edited by paughrock (05/17/17 11:44 AM)

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#2855838 - 05/17/17 11:50 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Bill H.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill H.
I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.


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#2855848 - 05/17/17 12:30 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: paughrock]
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Originally Posted By: paughrock
Tench is one of my biggest influences, and I love every note he has ever played...that said, he is the only guy in the biz who gets to tour with a studio of vintage gear...the holy trinity of rock n roll piano players (Elton, Billy and Professor Bittan...) all trigger samples or VI from their pianos...poor Chuck Leavall has to use a yamaha CP-300 or CP-4...it costs big bucks to tour with a rig like his...shows how appreciated he is by his band.


Imagine carrying a piano. Before Roy was triggering samples Roy was playing his Yamaha. Listen to this gig. Listen to the out of tune piano. The story goes that they left it in sub-zero weather in the truck. Even in the case it got cold. They tuned it too soon and when it warmed up it went haywire. Here is the clip:



Edited by Outkaster (05/17/17 12:32 PM)
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#2855850 - 05/17/17 12:49 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Outkaster]
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its a desperate cry for help: He wants a Montage.
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#2855852 - 05/17/17 12:56 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Bill H.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill H.
There's got to be something else going on here.....

... I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.


Those comments pretty much summarize my memories of trying to program a DX7 back in teh 80's.

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#2855884 - 05/17/17 03:47 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: roygbiv]
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It appears Benmont has an aversion to digital sounds in general. He would probably not be happy with a sample of that DX7 sound either. He is compromising using a digital Mellotron although the sounds started out as analog recordings.
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#2855887 - 05/17/17 04:03 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Bill H.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill H.
There's got to be something else going on here. There's absolutely nothing in the track that requires a DX7, or would be easier to do on a DX7 than any number of other synths.

I just listened to the track. I thought it would never end. Someone should have edited that thing down to under 3 1/2 minutes. I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.


Wow.

It's clear as day, in the first lick of the prechorus (after "Give it up, stop!"), at 1:15, and throughout rest of the prechorus.


Edited by Sven Golly (05/17/17 04:36 PM)
Edit Reason: Prechorus, not chorus. My bad.
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#2855888 - 05/17/17 04:19 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Shamanzarek]
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Originally Posted By: Shamanzarek
It appears Benmont has an aversion to digital sounds in general. He would probably not be happy with a sample of that DX7 sound either. He is compromising using a digital Mellotron although the sounds started out as analog recordings.


I am not familiar with the "David Kean Mellotron Library" he is using, but I don't own an old Akai sampler either so I won't be finding out any time soon.
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#2855891 - 05/17/17 05:01 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: roygbiv]
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Originally Posted By: roygbiv
Originally Posted By: Bill H.
There's got to be something else going on here.....

... I feel like I just wasted over five minutes of my life waiting for an FM sound that never materialized.


Those comments pretty much summarize my memories of trying to program a DX7 back in teh 80's.

It goes without saying how very difficult it is to establish any intuition between the parameters of the FM algorithms and the time domain qualities of the sound.

If you read the historical accounts of Chowning, they stumbled onto it by accident in their synthesis research... playing back D/A FM low frequency modulations produced sounds that were completely unexpected... and the rest is history.


Edited by JazzPiano88 (05/17/17 05:07 PM)

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#2855894 - 05/17/17 05:15 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: SkiGuy777
In the most recent video, he's playing a Steinway B piano he brags about. Yet in this video from 2006, he's playing a Yamaha.


It is well known that videos are not a reliable source of actual instruments played.
Back then, he was playing Yamaha. A few years ago he became a Steinway artist though I don't remember exactly when.

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#2855903 - 05/17/17 05:50 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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I am not familiar with the "David Kean Mellotron Library" he is using, but I don't own an old Akai sampler either so I won't be finding out any time soon.


David Kean is the curator of a giant keyboard and synthesizer museum in Calgary (Cantos) AND he has been one of the leading contributors to keeping the mellotron legacy alive.

His library went back and started with the original mellotron master tapes and remastered them all. It's regarded as one of the best available.
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#2855917 - 05/17/17 09:01 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: mate stubb]
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thanks for that info, Dave. thu
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#2855933 - 05/18/17 04:11 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: MotiDave]
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its a desperate cry for help: He wants a Montage.
I want a montage....

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#2855939 - 05/18/17 05:01 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler

I am not familiar with the "David Kean Mellotron Library" he is using, but I don't own an old Akai sampler either so I won't be finding out any time soon.


David Kean is the curator of a giant keyboard and synthesizer museum in Calgary (Cantos) AND he has been one of the leading contributors to keeping the mellotron legacy alive.

His library went back and started with the original mellotron master tapes and remastered them all. It's regarded as one of the best available.

It's too bad these people feel they need to destroy their old boards, when they could end up in a museum. Rick Wakeman is in a video talking about how he burned a mellotron in a bon fire in his back yard. But he still has all the tapes. Now he plays the digital version and thinks highly of it.

Rick embraced the new technology going with the Kronos (2 of them), Hammond SK1 (73 key), new synths, but he's got 2 Mini Moogs.

If Benmont Tench is going to complain about anything, it would be carrying the grand piano. The Kronos has those sounds. He needs to keep that DX7, pull it out in 10 years, and play that patch like we recently saw for Journey Separate Ways.


Edited by SkiGuy777 (05/18/17 05:06 AM)
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#2855960 - 05/18/17 07:32 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Toano88]
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Hey All,

Benmont got a big kick out of this thread and wanted me to tell you a few things...

"I'm already using the Nord on that song, with a volume pedal, to bring a string drone in & out on that song, and since it's that DX on the record, that's what I brought. Also, a lot of the time Tom & Mike DO bring out the same guitar they used on the record. That stage is a bloody guitar museum. As to Yamaha/ Steinway? Really no comparison."

You heard it here first!

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#2855961 - 05/18/17 08:01 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: jonregen]
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Well two different pianos yes for sure.
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#2855965 - 05/18/17 08:30 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Outkaster]
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The Steinway's resonance is so nice compared to the Yamaha's more bell like tones. At least for my tastes that is...I like Yamaha's too, but ...
Low tension strings vs. high tension...the low tension Steinway vibrates that floating Alaskan Sitka spruce soundboard that's beveled at the edges that allows the sound-bridge to float with the string vibration. The whole piano almost becomes the resonator ...Yamaha's are good band instruments were most of sound comes from the strings (hi tension) and the hardened piano case edge to project it...good in big band/orchestral (non classical) acoustic settings...with Steinways the overtone's become more complex with their low tension string/soundboard approach.. But TP/Benmont is all amplified music so both pianos would not be in their natural settings.... As long as the Steinway is miked right....I'd take it any day over the Yamaha...unless it's (and it's very possible) a bad Steinway (hand made) ....not to mention the Steinway actions which I love. Yamaha learned mass production techniques many years ago from Schumann Pianos (I believe if I remember correctly from Germany)....they are all pretty much the same (or should be) ....

I took the Steinway Factory tour a few years back with my wife.
I grew up about 15 min. from there. I recommend that tour if you are going to be in NYC. Steinway built a whole facility with housing and shops years ago for his employees to live in in Astoria, Queens originally years ago. An amazing story...hit the food places in Astoria also after the tour...you won't be disappointed!

PS: I play a Yamaha YUX upright at home right now...,so!

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#2855968 - 05/18/17 09:05 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Legatoboy]
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the low tension Steinway vibrates that floating Alaskan Sitka spruce soundboard that's beveled at the edges that allows the sound-bridge to float with the string vibration.


I got wood on that one...
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#2855969 - 05/18/17 09:45 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: SkiGuy777]
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Originally Posted By: SkiGuy777
Rick Wakeman is in a video talking about how he burned a mellotron in a bon fire in his back yard. But he still has all the tapes. Now he plays the digital version and thinks highly of it.


To play a vintage Mellotron is to understand. The motor control system for the original Mellotrons (remember it is a tape playback system, thus dependent on a motor) had a design error - they were hopelessly unreliable thus worthy of a flaming sacrifice. The control system failed to regulate the speed of the motor controlling the tape flow, resulting in unstable pitch.

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Rick embraced the new technology going with the Kronos (2 of them), Hammond SK1 (73 key), new synths, but he's got 2 Mini Moogs.


To play a Minimoog is to understand. They have a unique voice that still hasn't been duplicated.

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If Benmont Tench is going to complain about anything, it would be carrying the grand piano. The Kronos has those sounds.


To play a real piano is to understand. For most of us the digital simulation is good enough, and for rest of us aficionados we have to have the real deal. If Benmont has the resources to cart a grand piano, who are we to question his appreciation of the art?

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He needs to keep that DX7, pull it out in 10 years, and play that patch like we recently saw for Journey Separate Ways.


To play a DX7 is to understand. People either love the DX7 or they hate it, there is no in between. You have to remember that the DX7 was the first synth that could produce decent percussive sounds like EP and organ that didn't go out of tune, didn't cost a fortune, and it was lightweight. For the instant gratification folks, you could play it right out of the box. For the folks who aren't into that tinny FM sound and/or like to tweak a patch to give their own identity or to get a desired sound, the interface and unpredictability of FM programming made it very tedious. That meant you had to resort to third party patches, which were just as tinny and clangorous as the factory patches.

Benmont may be stuck using the DX7 for that one signature sound, but not being a fan of FM he isn't going to use it for future work.

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#2855970 - 05/18/17 09:45 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
the low tension Steinway vibrates that floating Alaskan Sitka spruce soundboard that's beveled at the edges that allows the sound-bridge to float with the string vibration.


I got wood on that one...


facepalm Much more than I needed to know but I'm glad for Ya! We all know how important good wood actually is by now! Steinway said they reject 95% of the wood sent to them for their soundboards... I usually reject Zero (0) % of my own wood personally . . . It's all 'good enough' for me!


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#2855973 - 05/18/17 10:03 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Legatoboy]
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#2855979 - 05/18/17 10:50 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Coming soon to a phone number near you - Legatoboy's Seductive Gear Slutz Line. Only $9.99 per minute... wink


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#2855981 - 05/18/17 10:55 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Legatoboy]
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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy

"Get Your Bottom Rotating Baby!" grin
I'm a horn man myself.
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#2855982 - 05/18/17 10:57 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: jonregen]
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Originally Posted By: jonregen
Hey All,

Benmont got a big kick out of this thread and wanted me to tell you a few things...

"I'm already using the Nord on that song, with a volume pedal, to bring a string drone in & out on that song, and since it's that DX on the record, that's what I brought. Also, a lot of the time Tom & Mike DO bring out the same guitar they used on the record. That stage is a bloody guitar museum. As to Yamaha/ Steinway? Really no comparison."

You heard it here first!

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Thanks Jon and Benmont! twothumbs

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#2856046 - 05/18/17 07:49 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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These "mods" will make your DX-7 much more vintage and thus better sounding.


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#2856053 - 05/18/17 08:06 PM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC
You have to remember that the DX7 was the first synth that could produce decent percussive sounds like EP and organ that didn't go out of tune, didn't cost a fortune, and it was lightweight. For the instant gratification folks, you could play it right out of the box. For the folks who aren't into that tinny FM sound and/or like to tweak a patch to give their own identity or to get a desired sound, the interface and unpredictability of FM programming made it very tedious. That meant you had to resort to third party patches, which were just as tinny and clangorous as the factory patches.


Couldn't afford a DX7 so I bought a DX21 back in the 80's. I actually spent time learning to program the thing. Not really deep programming, but I created some cool patches. Some were of the usual clangorous nature but others were more tasteful, like a very dreamy piano sound that I used a lot.
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#2856095 - 05/19/17 05:51 AM Re: Heartbreakers Keyboardist Benmont Tench No Likey the DX-7 [Re: Synthoid]
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I still have a DX21 in mint condition in a road case....my dad got it for me in 1984 I think it was. There are still usable sounds on it.
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