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#2853401 - 05/03/17 11:03 AM For DesertBluesMan...
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For Dave, DesertBluesMan...

Man, this is GOOD STUFF.

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#2853407 - 05/03/17 12:29 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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+1 Caevan! Enjoy your former teacher...DBM! cool
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#2853433 - 05/03/17 04:10 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Larryz]
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Just imagine sitting and jamming on her bed in the motel room she rented on the island resort I grew up on. Getting personal lessons for 5 bucks a half hour. I could stop her at any lick she played and find out how she did it, why she went into that scale, how it related to the changes etc. It was a heady time. She was filled with musical soul at those times. She was 18 years old when I took lessons from her. and fresh out of Berkelee School of music.

We spent a lot of time jamming. She was actually impressed with what I was doing against her changes which gave me a lift in confidence big time. She could not understand how I came to do what I did really since she was schooled, and my experience was jamming with my fellow learners who could not count measures so every other beat could be a surprise, I was able to anticipate from experience where to go immediately if she threw in a curve ball. She shook her head more than one time and called me "totally outside" whatever she meant by that, but it sounded like a compliment to me.

Later on I took lessons from Bob Aslanian who was Al DeMeolas major influence, he was less feel and more technique than Emily. The mix of the two formed my playing habits from then on.
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#2853455 - 05/03/17 07:09 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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I only took lessons for about 3 months in '79 from a great jazz standard player. He invited me to join his band and play on his next record. I have always felt bad about having to move away and many times I wish I could have stayed there and played with him. He was way above my pay grade but he really enjoyed my rhythm playing as that was my specialty in my former band. The lessons were $5 bucks an hour and I would always bring a six pack on ice. He always booked me as the last student of the day and then we would sit and play till the beer was gone LOL!

He was a great teacher. My old guitar buddy says (he likes to rub it in that I actually took a few lessons): "Yeah, you never played that good until you took lessons from that guy!" I tell him that was back in '79, never mind the 54 years I've been teaching myself how to play LOL! I know you will always have fond memories of Emily. I was the one throwing the curves at my teacher LOL! He loved to improvise over my chord patterns. And that's the one thing he had time to teach me...the word Improvise. From then on that's all I wanted to learn after hearing him do it for hours and never play the same thing twice! cool


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#2853491 - 05/04/17 04:16 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Larryz]
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Great stories Dave and Larry!

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#2853494 - 05/04/17 04:33 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: harvey]
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I've read DBM mention that name a lot over my time here, so I just HAD to take the time to give a decent listen.

Wow! What COULDN'T one learn from this lady? Now I easily understand the REVERENCE in any of his posts where he mentioned her. If I could play 1/4 as good as her, I'd be FOUR TIMES the guitar player I am now. smile

And playing with the late, great HANK JONES of the JONES BROS. also shows she's highly respected in her field.
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#2853541 - 05/04/17 08:11 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Thanks Harvey! thu
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#2853592 - 05/04/17 12:05 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Larryz]
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Emily by The Sea, this is a result of my first lesson from Emily. I recorded it years later. I use the stage name Harvey Cedars which is the name of a town on the Island where I grew up. The first slow part is her wish for me to create a chord progression in the Dorian Mode, the faster part was a chord progression that she taught me as a jazzy blues with a sharped fifth intro to the five chord, which floored me at the time.
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#2853594 - 05/04/17 12:12 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Sadly this is about her after I heard the cause of her demise.

Remler was addicted to opiates including heroin and dilaudid. She died of heart failure at the age of 32 at the Connells Point home of musician Ed Gaston, while on tour in Australia.

The real cause of her heart attack was OD. I knew a friend of Ed and he pvted me the real story.

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#2853595 - 05/04/17 12:15 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Here is my first recording about her after I got my digital recording equipment in 1999.

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#2853669 - 05/04/17 08:26 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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DBM, you did a great job on those tunes in her memory. I'm sure she would be proud of you... thu
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#2853682 - 05/05/17 04:17 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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It's sad to think of someone being so talented and dying at such a young age for really no good reason at all.

For THAT matter, at ANY age for ANY reason.
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#2853711 - 05/05/17 08:09 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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BB King and Chuck Berry both made it to 89/90...it's not as bad when the older ones pass away as they had a good long life. The younger ones hit me a little harder. +1 it is a lot of talent that is being laid to rest at any age. It's great that we have the icons on so many videos and can watch them perform. I like to call up Chet Atkins and Jerry Reed all the time on YT... cool
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#2853789 - 05/05/17 02:40 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
DBM, you did a great job on those tunes in her memory. I'm sure she would be proud of you... thu


Thanks she was a very important person to me back then, because of her talent and her approach-ability in giving lessons. She was also a very sweet person. I was floored when I heard about her demise back in the early 90's, but I never knew how it happened although I suspected it's final confirmation. I have an internet friend of mine who was a good friend of hers, Kenny Wilson, a monster guitar player who made his living working at Manny's music in New York City. He used to hang out with all the greats and especially Joe Pass. Anyways he told me stories that sparked the Lady Lady Lady I Got The Blues For You tune. All that confirmed what I heard from the Australian friend of Ed Gaston. Sad truthfully.
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#2853791 - 05/05/17 02:45 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

And playing with the late, great HANK JONES of the JONES BROS. also shows she's highly respected in her field.
Whitefang


She also played in the Trio; Herb Ellis, Barney Kessel, she replaced Charlie Byrd in the trio when he was otherwise occupied. She also did European tours with Larry Coryell many times. She was highly regarded in the jazz scene on the east coast, as well as nationally and worldwide.
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#2853855 - 05/06/17 05:07 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Sure. I mean, just judging from what was posted(the music) I'd say it was WELL DESERVED.
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#2853861 - 05/06/17 06:33 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Nice playing, Dave. cool

I am sorry about, and deeply touched by, the whole back-story and what became of her. I'm glad that you knew her, both of your lives were the better, the richer for it, I am sure.

I apologize for bringing up some sad memories for you by starting this thread- I just ran across that album there, was listening to it- really enjoying it- and thought of you, and posted it here...

On "Lady Lady Lady I Got The Blues For You", your playing has elements reminiscent of Roy Buchanan's and Peter Green's mixed together- of course, meant as a compliment, and then some. "When Emily Was Gone" also makes me think of those players, with some B.B. King thrown in for good measure.

Of course, Emily's influence is there, and your songs, your stories, are touching.

Be well, my friend.
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#2853919 - 05/06/17 01:58 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Saw this a few days ago & was shocked at 1st b/c I misread the thread icon & thought.... facepalm

Glad that wasn't what I thought but still a sad story.
I'd never heard the bg on her drug use.
[BTW & FWIW, I think there's general confusion when ppl speak abt "cause" & "reason" in regard to life's events &, uh, eventualities.]

The traxks you posted are V good !
"Sea Emily Play" [ laugh ] shows a dynamic note-shaping sense & fluidity that's very impressive.
Who's on kboards ? Great interplay there !
The track that came up just after ("Gone Thrill") reveals that note-shaping skill even more, as does "Lay, Layla, Lady" [:D ].
Vox by you ?

Caeven's mentioned Buchanan & P Green but it remiinds me of what Derek Trucks does, although obviously acheived differently.
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#2853925 - 05/06/17 02:43 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Nice playing, Dave. cool

I apologize for bringing up some sad memories for you by starting this thread- I just ran across that album there, was listening to it- really enjoying it- and thought of you, and posted it here...

On "Lady Lady Lady I Got The Blues For You", your playing has elements reminiscent of Roy Buchanan's and Peter Green's mixed together- of course, meant as a compliment, and then some. "When Emily Was Gone" also makes me think of those players, with some B.B. King thrown in for good measure.

Of course, Emily's influence is there, and your songs, your stories, are touching.



No need for apologies my friend, I never stay in sadness mode. When I lose a friend or even family member, I am shocked in the beginning, sad for a week or so, then on to a better feelings ASAP. I do not like sadness, so I have developed tools in my life to mitigate it ASAP. Everybody dies, I am 74 years old and outlived most of my friends and many of my family, so I am used to dealing with death.

As for Roy being an influence on me, that was spot on. He was, and still is my biggest influence on guitar as far as copying someone's style as best as I can.

Thanks for the nice words about my songs. It is always a boost to get good feedback.
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#2853927 - 05/06/17 02:49 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
Saw this a few days ago & was shocked at 1st b/c I misread the thread icon & thought.... facepalm

Glad that wasn't what I thought but still a sad story.
I'd never heard the bg on her drug use.
[BTW & FWIW, I think there's general confusion when ppl speak abt "cause" & "reason" in regard to life's events &, uh, eventualities.]

The traxks you posted are V good !
"Sea Emily Play" [ laugh ] shows a dynamic note-shaping sense & fluidity that's very impressive.
Who's on kboards ? Great interplay there !
The track that came up just after ("Gone Thrill") reveals that note-shaping skill even more, as does "Lay, Layla, Lady" [:D ].
Vox by you ?

Caeven's mentioned Buchanan & P Green but it remiinds me of what Derek Trucks does, although obviously acheived differently.
thu X twothumbs


I do everything on my recordings including the vocals. I generate the backing tracks in Jammer Pro or Band In A Box, or sometimes I use a MIDI file and render it to audio using nice samples or in rare instances the Yamaha SW 1000 XG synth in my recording computer. I play all the guitars/vocals in live, flat and dry and effect them in the recording app.

Thank you for your nice words.
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#2853938 - 05/06/17 04:41 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Yeah, I've lost some important to my life people over the years. I too, dispel the funk by filling my head with all the good things and fun times I can remember with the philosophy if I never forget them, they'll never really be gone.

And that iNet adage "Don't cry because they're gone, SMILE because they HAPPENED"

As for the vocals. Your natural voice? Kind of made me think "Dylan does Dr. John." wink Fit the tunes well I thought.
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#2854075 - 05/07/17 12:45 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
Thank you for your nice words.

Man, you more than earned them.
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#2854127 - 05/07/17 05:09 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

As for the vocals. Your natural voice? Kind of made me think "Dylan does Dr. John." wink Fit the tunes well I thought.
Whitefang


Thanks amigo, I jokingly call my vocals; in tune croak-ings. cheers
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#2854159 - 05/08/17 02:06 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: d
Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
Thank you for your nice words.

Man, you more than earned them.


Agreed. cool

Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
Originally Posted By: whitefang

As for the vocals. Your natural voice? Kind of made me think "Dylan does Dr. John." wink Fit the tunes well I thought.
Whitefang


Thanks amigo, I jokingly call my vocals; in tune croak-ings. cheers


I bet you charm audience members at live gig performances with your friendly, off-hand, candid and direct delivery.
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#2854165 - 05/08/17 04:16 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
Originally Posted By: whitefang

As for the vocals. Your natural voice? Kind of made me think "Dylan does Dr. John." wink Fit the tunes well I thought.
Whitefang


Thanks amigo, I jokingly call my vocals; in tune croak-ings. cheers


I always joke with people by telling them, "My singing voice is DIVINE. ANDY Devine, that is!" grin

And +1 on Caev's CHARM comment. smile
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#2854292 - 05/08/17 03:08 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I bet you charm audience members at live gig performances with your friendly, off-hand, candid and direct delivery.


I have not done a gig in 40 years Caev. But I was the one who talked to the audience between tunes. I do practice my stories of the songs I write, before practicing those songs on some days, talking to an empty couch usually rimshot (Just in case I ever do go out with my shtick and perform).

I asked my buddy Lou Maresca who just did a bunch of gigs with his band Live at The Fillmore on the west coast if I could open for them on his next west coast tour. He usually tours with other tribute bands (his is obviously an Allmans tribute band). But after thinking about it, I thought the practice regimen to get ready for a bunch of shows and the daily practice to keep my licks up to snuff would be daunting, and of course I probably would not be compensated very well for the effort so I withdrew my request.

Anyways I am usually not at all nervous on stage after the first few songs so I banter back and forth with the audience with whatever comes to mind. That stuff is super easy for me. Practicing like a madman however is beginning to wear on my old bones......
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#2854293 - 05/08/17 03:15 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

"My singing voice is DIVINE. ANDY Devine, that is!" grin


I would almost have to steal that line Fang, except for the fact that very few would know who Andy Devine was these days.

Plunk Your Magic Twanger Froggy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H35odPm7b3w
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#2854315 - 05/08/17 04:39 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Well, let's enlighten, eh ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H35odPm7b3w


Then there's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPM-91QCbU


Although, honestly I prefer
which is where I thought that phrase came from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IuOIuUNT8
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#2854523 - 05/10/17 05:00 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: d]
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Cool clip DBM. took me back. In the early '70's there was a Saturday night late night TV movie host who showed cheezy old horror flicks and was out of Cleveland who called himself "The Ghoul" (overdey"!) that did a send-up of the "Froggy" bit.

And didn't character actor VITO SCOTTI( the tuba player) get around on TV a lot over the years? wink

And of course, you also probably remember Devine as "Jingles" on the old "Wild Bill Hickock" TV show... smile
Whitefang


Edited by whitefang (05/10/17 05:01 AM)
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#2854876 - 05/11/17 04:02 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

And of course, you also probably remember Devine as "Jingles" on the old "Wild Bill Hickock" TV show... smile
Whitefang


Yep I remember the Wild Bill Hickock show and Andy Devine on it as well.
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#2854921 - 05/12/17 04:00 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Yeah, Andy was a hoot. And always wound up well liked by everyone he worked with. smile

Like Ms. Remler probably was too.
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#2855083 - 05/12/17 08:09 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

Like Ms. Remler probably was too.


I was not really that close to her, I saw her every day for an hour a day for two weeks for several summers. I liked her enough but I could see she was troubled internally. No junkie is emotionally stable, I have known a few here and there, she was not heavily into the junk at the time I knew her. I have a friend a real good jazz guitarist, Kenny Wilson who worked at Manny's in New York, and he knew her intimately, as they dated and hung out & etc in her last days. The stories he told me about her habit were pretty sad sounding truthfully. I was a little sad when I heard those stories, but it was what it was.
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#2855109 - 05/13/17 04:57 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Yeah, but what I basically meant was like Andy, nobody probably had any complaints about WORKING with her.

And I based that mostly on how you made her sound whenever you wrote about her.
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#2855154 - 05/13/17 02:28 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
Yeah, but what I basically meant was like Andy, nobody probably had any complaints about WORKING with her.

And I based that mostly on how you made her sound whenever you wrote about her.
Whitefang


Larry Coryell would not pay her any more than expenses on the road when they toured together because of her junk habit. Then when they got back to the city (NY) he would settle up. So when on the road she would have to go out on the streets and hustle for money for her habit. That is all info I got from Kenny.

When I knew her she was fairly straight and just toying with opiates, I was a hippy back then so of course I used drugs, but my preference was psychedelics from weed on up. So she would ask me to get her some junk, but I wasn't into that. The local cops knew what I was up to of course, so I towed the line when it came to what I was into. Junk was taboo in my little berg, and if someone used it, to the slammer they went. We all knew each other in my little town, from law enforcement to the hippie scene, and we formed an unspoken agreement I assume because the cops never bothered me.
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#2855205 - 05/14/17 04:44 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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It's odd( and funny to consider) that back in MY "hippie days", I never considered it to mean that "of course I used drugs". In fact, it wasn't until AFTER I "went straight", got a GM job, married and had my first kid that I ever TRIED any dope( pot), and got heavily( and I might add, a bit TOO heavily) into any drug use. Yeah, like you, weed and some hallucinogens and speed. I never understood the attraction of opiates. That's too bad in Emily's case. But my intent was to indicate that she wssn't difficult to work with in spite, and THAT'S what I meant about no complaints about working with her.
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#2855444 - 05/15/17 04:40 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Emily was definitely a very nice person. Way lovable. As a player she was a monster player, I met her just after her days at Berkelee School of Music in Boston when she showed up on the resort island where I lived, before her heavy junk days. At the time she died, I hadn't seen her in many years. I don't know if she was trouble to work with later on, she was definitely easy going when I did know her.

Later on a friend of mine from our music days in New Jersey Steven Weinglass and I talked music and what Emily taught me was exactly what he learned at Berkelee. Steve and I go back a long ways back to the late 60's and early 70's when we jammed and hung out together. His brother Leonard Weinglass the lawyer who defended the Chicago 7 with William Kunsler is detailed in Steve's bio below. Steve showed up at my house last year unannounced to celebrate his birthday with his lady Jean. I lost touch with Steve in the mid 80's and in 2009 I e-mailed his brother at his Law Firm in NYC and asked him to foreword my phone number to Steve, and a few weeks later I heard from him. See a small bio below.

Steven Weinglass was born and raised in New Jersey, and began performing music professionally at the age of 16. His first performances were at the Jersey shore. Mr. Weinglass studied at Berklee College of Music and became bassist/vocalist and music director for such acts as; Shirley Alston Reeves of the Shirelles, The Four Tops, Bill Haley’s Comets, Crosswind, Restless, Michael and the Little Professors, among many others. During his teens he was deeply influenced by his brother's work in the peace movement of the Sixties who went on to defend The Chicago 8, The Pentagon Papers' Daniel Elsberg, Jane Fonda, and most recently, The Cuban 5. In recent years, Mr. Weinglass has become a music supervisor on film, produced music and had his songs placed in TV shows. Currently he has come back to his roots and is out performing music again. Mr. Weinglass is also serving as Commissioner of The Public Works Dept. for the city of Beverly Hills, CA., and has served on that commission for the past four years (serving the last year as the Chairman).
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#2855523 - 05/16/17 04:28 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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You hang with some pretty heavy players, DBM. And NOT necessarily music players. smile
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#2855604 - 05/16/17 10:05 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
You hang with some pretty heavy players, DBM. And NOT necessarily music players. smile
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None of them never earned me a penny or invite to play at some event. I was asked to play at Steve's New Years Eve Party in 2009, but I did not have my own rig there, nor did I warm up, so I declined. But I did meet the script writer for Mississippi Burning, the granddaughter of the guy who started Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Malcolm Lukens who played keys for Roy Buchanan, and some other heavies.
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#2855717 - 05/17/17 04:09 AM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: desertbluesman]
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I certainly hope( and no, I don't believe so) that those folks aren't as intellectually vapid as a lot of people THINK they are.

Would have LOVED to eavesdropped on some of those conversations. wink
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#2855868 - 05/17/17 01:43 PM Re: For DesertBluesMan... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
I certainly hope( and no, I don't believe so) that those folks aren't as intellectually vapid as a lot of people THINK they are.

Would have LOVED to eavesdropped on some of those conversations. wink
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It was interesting, those folks are real bright, tenacious and intelligent. The vapid part of what they do is because they have to reach the lowest common denominator to pay the freight on any movie, TV show, recording, and on and on. The game is played not on intellect, but on how many tickets can we sell. So they reach out to the biggest demographic. You can be sure that they have to be smart to hit the jackpot, which is what the game is all about in La La land. Very few are there for the artistic side, that can be practiced in any little town. They are there to hit the big time.....
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