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#2852599 - 04/29/17 09:45 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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I think the woods matter, but not as much as the pups and related electronics on solid body guitars (which are the only electric guitars I have most of my experience on), not to mention the amp and speakers as well. I think on solid body guitars the woods "look" matters more than a large difference in tone. However there is some effect, although probably a minor effect of the woods in solid body electrics.

Now on acoustics that is a different matter. There can be major differences in tone with different woods.
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#2852695 - 04/30/17 04:44 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: desertbluesman]
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Sure. It's "dollars to donuts" that an acoustic made with mahogany and Sitka spruce sounds MUCH better than one made of Balsa and pressboard. wink But there's some made with some kind of compostite that don't sound too bad.

But in acoustics too, it's one of those things where size DOES matter, as the "Jumbo" bodied axes emphasize the lower registers more. To MY ear anyway.
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#2852749 - 04/30/17 09:29 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: whitefang]
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My favorite acoustic guitar for woods, is my Taylor special edition. It has an Ebony fretboard with pipeline waves inlays, Cedar top with Walnut back and sides, maple bindings. I have received many compliments on the way it sounds and looks...One of the club owners who also plays guitars was complimenting me and the sound of my guitar one night. I thanked him, but said "a lot depends on who is playing the instrument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bragging on myself. If you put this same guitar in Steve's (a regular open mic and great guitarist at the same club) hands, it will sound even better!" I have a few acoustics with different woods, but his one is my favorite and it's not a top of the line Taylor, somewhere in the mid range, but made with special custom woods! Great tone with very nice bass... cool


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#2852834 - 04/30/17 08:04 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Most of the sound coming from a Tele is from the electronics IMHO, so it is likely they will all sound like Teles! I can tell a difference in the woods when it comes to the feel. The looks, weight and balance has a lot to do with the woods used along with the feel of the fret board. Ebony is my favorite fret board on almost any guitar but on a Tele, I prefer maple. The feel of the guitar body, neck, frets, etc., can cause me to play it differently and thus the reason the woods sound different to me LOL! But, overall, I love that Tele sound no matter the woods used... cool


I think a big deal with the Tele is the bridge/bridge pickup design. The bridge becomes part of the pickup and hears a wide stretch of string. If you have ever placed a Tele bridge pickup in a guitar without the iconic bridge you will notice a distinct lack of glorious KLANG.

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#2852836 - 04/30/17 08:08 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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I was once jamming with this country acoustic player in Jacksonville Florida. I was using my Ovation Balladeer and he was playing a Martin Dreadnaught. His guitar was tons louder than mine and way more tone full. Of course I bagged it after a few tunes, and never did jam with that guy again, not because I disliked him or his guitar, but because I ain't a country or acoustic player.

By the way, I used to go to Martin Guitars in Nazareth Pa., and buy woods for some solid body guitars I was attempting to make. "The Sawmill" as the folks at Martin's factory called it, was run by a man named Dick Boak. Nice guy, very accommodating.

I sold those woods and my Dan Erlewine http://www.danerlewine.com/ guitar building bench to some guy in Petaluma California some years later. I sold some of my PA gear to a dude that worked for Mesa Boogie in Petaluma the same day, he was the repair guy who you saw when you went into Mesa Boogie to have him look at your Mesa amps. I can't remember his name but he was my go to guy for my Boogie amp repairs.
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#2852849 - 04/30/17 10:13 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: harvey]
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Originally Posted By: harvey

I think a big deal with the Tele is the bridge/bridge pickup design. The bridge becomes part of the pickup and hears a wide stretch of string. If you have ever placed a Tele bridge pickup in a guitar without the iconic bridge you will notice a distinct lack of glorious KLANG.


I think it's called TWANG not KLANG LOL! +1 I'm sure there is something to that metal bridge plate that helps make that Tele sound. Many guys prefer the old 3 barrel saddles over the strat-like saddles and claim they too can hear a difference. I prefer the newer bridge plates with the cut-away edges over the old ashtrays. I have had a couple of Teles back in the day. Sold one to my Brother a MIM Nashville and one to my Son-n-law a US model with the new bridge plate. He took it off and mounted the old ashtray with the 3 barrels LOL! They both sound great to me and I can play them at anytime if I ask them to bring one over when they come for a visit. Great sounding guitars and it's not just in the wood, I think it's more in the pups and that plate set up on top of the wood too... cool


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#2852868 - 05/01/17 04:02 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Originally Posted By: harvey

I think a big deal with the Tele is the bridge/bridge pickup design. The bridge becomes part of the pickup and hears a wide stretch of string. If you have ever placed a Tele bridge pickup in a guitar without the iconic bridge you will notice a distinct lack of glorious KLANG.


I think it's called TWANG not KLANG LOL! +1 I'm sure there is something to that metal bridge plate that helps make that Tele sound. Many guys prefer the old 3 barrel saddles over the strat-like saddles and claim they too can hear a difference. I prefer the newer bridge plates with the cut-away edges over the old ashtrays. I have had a couple of Teles back in the day. Sold one to my Brother a MIM Nashville and one to my Son-n-law a US model with the new bridge plate. He took it off and mounted the old ashtray with the 3 barrels LOL! They both sound great to me and I can play them at anytime if I ask them to bring one over when they come for a visit. Great sounding guitars and it's not just in the wood, I think it's more in the pups and that plate set up on top of the wood too... cool


Hey Larryz...it's definitely KLANG in my case! wink

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#2852898 - 05/01/17 06:59 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: harvey]
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LOL! Good one Harvey! Just got to practice, practice, practice, Mate! It don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang... coffee
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#2853103 - 05/02/17 05:23 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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I think since they've made guitars out of STEEL, both acoustic AND solid body electrics, it does look more like it's a matter of personal preferrence and taste. wink
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#2853108 - 05/02/17 05:39 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: whitefang]
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I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating in this context.

Right around the time I left NYC (mid-70's) there was a guy making solid-body Guitars out of polished stone! IIRC, they had a socket where you could screw in a mic stand, or something similar, to help bear the weight. The idea behind them is that Mass = Sustain, essentially the Les Paul formula. (Of course, the mass has to vibrate, as well, or it's useless. A Guitar made of Lead would have no tone whatsoever.) Don't know what became of those Guitars, or how many were ever made?
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#2853150 - 05/02/17 08:49 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Winston, Everybody must get stoned LOL! I remember you mentioned guitars made of stone before but that's much too heavy for me! My Les Paul was as heavy as I could get and I finally had to sell it...I think some of the lighter guitars made by Gibson like the LP jr and the SG, along with the heavier LP's, benefitted from the solid Mahogany guitar bodies. They all sound great with humbuckers or P90's...must be something in the woods! cool
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#2853281 - 05/02/17 04:34 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
LOL! Good one Harvey! Just got to practice, practice, practice, Mate! It don't mean a thang if it ain't got that twang... coffee


True...and where did I put the coffee?!

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#2853282 - 05/02/17 04:36 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating in this context.

Right around the time I left NYC (mid-70's) there was a guy making solid-body Guitars out of polished stone! IIRC, they had a socket where you could screw in a mic stand, or something similar, to help bear the weight. The idea behind them is that Mass = Sustain, essentially the Les Paul formula. (Of course, the mass has to vibrate, as well, or it's useless. A Guitar made of Lead would have no tone whatsoever.) Don't know what became of those Guitars, or how many were ever made?


I remember those FatHead things...to add mass behind the headstock. Did anyone every use one of those? Did it make a noticeable difference?

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#2853346 - 05/03/17 05:14 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: harvey]
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I'd have to HEAR one made out of those other materials before I pass any judgement on tone. But for ME....

I'd worry more about the ELECTRICAL current when playing a guitar made of metal than I would the tone. wink Except of course, a steel bodied acoustic resonator. wink
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#2853369 - 05/03/17 06:45 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: harvey]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating in this context.

Right around the time I left NYC (mid-70's) there was a guy making solid-body Guitars out of polished stone! IIRC, they had a socket where you could screw in a mic stand, or something similar, to help bear the weight. The idea behind them is that Mass = Sustain, essentially the Les Paul formula. (Of course, the mass has to vibrate, as well, or it's useless. A Guitar made of Lead would have no tone whatsoever.) Don't know what became of those Guitars, or how many were ever made?


I remember those FatHead things...to add mass behind the headstock. Did anyone every use one of those? Did it make a noticeable difference?


Yes. They help a Strat. If you have any C-clamps in your toolbox you can try one of those and see what you think. Originally guys used C-clamps. Then they optimized the idea for guitar and marketed it.



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#2853370 - 05/03/17 06:46 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: harvey]
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Originally Posted By: harvey
I remember those FatHead things...to add mass behind the headstock. Did anyone every use one of those? Did it make a noticeable difference?


I remember seeing the ads, that's all. Never saw one in a Music store, never saw anyone using them?

Somewhat on the same principle, I swap out the Kluson-style tuners on my Gibson Guitars, and install Grovers. The Grovers add a bit of mass, compared to the others; the trade-off is that they make my SG's even more neck-heavy.
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#2853383 - 05/03/17 08:27 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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+1 do not put one of those FatHead things on a SG...they are already neck heavy as is. I have never seen anyone using a FatHead, but the concept sounds familiar. Now days with clip-on tuners and capos all over the head stock, it looks a little too crowded for a C-clamp LOL! cool
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