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#2851700 - 04/25/17 09:17 AM Got Wood?
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Um,OK! This is a question about guitar woods.

Thinking of designing a guitar with:

Alder body only
Mahogany body only
Alder with maple top
Mahogany with maple top

Neck will be maple, ebony fingerboard.

Pickups: Dimarzio Super 3 (bridge) Dimarzio HS-3 (Middle) Dimarzio Single Coil Super Distortion (neck)

Thanks in advance for your insights!

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#2851723 - 04/25/17 10:07 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: b3keys]
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Originally Posted By: b3keys
Um,OK! This is a question about guitar woods.

Thinking of designing a guitar with:

Mahogany with maple top

Neck will be maple, ebony fingerboard.

Pickups: Dimarzio Super 3 (bridge) Dimarzio HS-3 (Middle) Dimarzio Single Coil Super Distortion (neck)

Thanks in advance for your insights!


Forgive me for 'editing' your list, just wanted to point out that the Mahogany body/Maple top + Maple neck/Ebony fretboard is essentially a classic PRS/Gibson combination. Being an SG lover, I'd probably go with those woods, but YEMV, and I'm sure you'll get other opinions.

Three questions - I got several different pups showing when I searched for "Single Coil Super Distortion", most of which were double-blade pups. Can you post a link to the specific pup you meant? Are you planning on a set neck, or bolt-on? Finally, are you assembling a Guitar from parts, like Warmoth, or are you doing all the luthier's work yourself?


Edited by Winston Psmith (04/25/17 10:09 AM)
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#2851728 - 04/25/17 10:22 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Winston,
Thanks for the reply.
My friend is a luthier and will be doing the work himself. He's leaving it up to me to choose what I want. I am more a keyboardist than a guitarist.

Dimarzio DP-218 is the potential for the neck pickup, which is a Strat-type humbucker.

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#2851759 - 04/25/17 11:58 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: b3keys]
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I like an ebony fret board/mahogany neck. For some reason a mahogany body with a maple top get some good wood tones for solid body electrics in the Gibson category. I prefer the 57 Humbuckers on LPs, SG's, 175s and 335s. I like thin necks.

On Strats, Alder seems to be a good body choice. I like the Ebony fret board 1st, Maple fret board 2nd, and Rosewood takes 3rd place. I like single coils on a Strat, vintage noiseless stock or active EMG's. My favorite body back and sides on acoustics is walnut and I wouldn't be opposed to a walnut body on a Strat...I would have a master volume and master tone on a Strat that works all 3 pups, set down a little further from the 1st string than the stock location, and a 5way. The pop in/out tremolo bar is also a cool feature.

For the Gibsons, I like the stock set up with the separate volume and tone controls for each pup, and a 3way...I like sunburst on Fender and Gibsons...for in-lays, abalone is nice! Just some thoughts, not getting into your choice of electronics as I'm not familiar with other pups all that much...cool


Edited by Larryz (04/25/17 12:46 PM)
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#2851776 - 04/25/17 12:55 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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I'd say Ash for the body, one piece if possible, clear coated with nitrocellulose lacquer. Neck maple with either maple or ebony 22 fret fingerboard for my favorite configuration. Duncan Distortion in the bridge and Duncan little 59'ers in the middle and neck. Or a Duncan Jeff Beck Jr in the bridge which is strat sized, so the pups would all be strat like. 5 position blade switch. Or even better, 3 on/off/on mini switches for monster pickup selection availability.
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#2851795 - 04/25/17 02:10 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: desertbluesman]
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Is there a way to summon users on this site? 'Cause Boggs would be good to talk to about this, no question.
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#2851807 - 04/25/17 02:50 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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What kind of bodystyle are we talking? What kind of tones are you aiming for? Do you already have a wood supplier?
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#2851811 - 04/25/17 03:07 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I am thinking Super Strat and would like to have as much versatility with the tone as possible From super clean to heavy distortion.

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#2851819 - 04/25/17 03:33 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: b3keys]
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Originally Posted By: b3keys
I am thinking Super Strat and would like to have as much versatility with the tone as possible From super clean to heavy distortion.


I stand by my previous suggestion. Maple neck/Ebony fretboard mounted onto a Mahogany body with a Maple cap. Maple veneer looks nice, but adds nothing to the tone. You want the hardware to make contact with enough Maple to take advantage of the Maple's hardness. Fixed bridge will give you the greatest sustain, IMHO, but for a Super Strat design, a Floyd is customary, if not required. Maple neck will stand up to a lot of vigorous Vibrato Bar work. Be aware, for your luthier friend's sake, Ebony dust is highly toxic, which is why many luthiers and repair shops no longer work with it.
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#2851844 - 04/25/17 06:40 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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b3keys, before I give you my opinion based upon what I personally want, how about if I ask what you want? A maple neck is going to give you a clean bright sustaining sound. Do you want more of a longlasting sustain? If so, you want the mahogany with maple top body. If you play fast and don't want your notes to smush together, then you want the plain alder body. Basically, do you want a Strat kind of sound, a Les Paul sound, or something in between?
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#2851849 - 04/25/17 06:52 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
Or even better, 3 on/off/on mini switches for monster pickup selection availability.


+1. My fave switch option for a 3 pickup guitar.
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#2851857 - 04/25/17 07:28 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Everyone,
Thanks so much for the feedback. You have been very helpful. I am thinking of a strat style guitar. I am going to check out different guitars and watch some videos about different pickups before deciding.

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#2851877 - 04/25/17 09:45 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: b3keys]
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Does your luthier buddy have a website? We might get some "kewl ideaz" if we know what he likes to do.

When I got a custom done by fellow GPer Boggs, his past work reshaped some of the ideas I had going in, resulting in a better finished product.
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#2851878 - 04/25/17 09:47 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: b3keys]
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Originally Posted By: b3keys
Everyone,
Thanks so much for the feedback. You have been very helpful. I am thinking of a strat style guitar. I am going to check out different guitars and watch some videos about different pickups before deciding.


There's a whole host of excellent pickup makers out there. Not only might WE guide you, I've found most makers are happy to tell you which of their products will help you achieve the tone you seek. And an email costs you nothing but time.
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#2851885 - 04/25/17 10:19 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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We haven't heard from Boggs in such a long time...if you are in contact with him Danny, say hello to him for us! cool
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#2851886 - 04/25/17 10:29 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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Will do!
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#2851924 - 04/26/17 05:30 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Oh, YEAH!

Boggs and TUSKBUFFER are a couple of guys we haven't heard from in quite some time!

JIMI is another.
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Edited by whitefang (04/26/17 05:31 AM)
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#2851974 - 04/26/17 09:04 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
I'd say Ash for the body, one piece if possible


+1
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#2851980 - 04/26/17 09:11 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Solid Body electrics ...... Tone wood impacts are overrated. Most the sound is defined by the pickups, amps and any effects chains.

Center block, hollowbody, and especially accoutics .... totally different story.


Edited by CEB (04/26/17 09:12 AM)
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#2851993 - 04/26/17 09:47 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: CEB]
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I think that you'll find that with the bolt-on maple/ebony neck, a one-piece alder body will be a particularly fine match. A classic combination for Strats and Strat-style axes, with a nice, ringing, responsive balance of highs, mids, and lows. Warmth with definition.

Any tonal contribution of the woods used will be enhanced and magnified if there's any amount of acoustic-feedback, interaction between the speaker-output and the guitar, while playing (a GOOD thing!).
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#2852112 - 04/26/17 06:49 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Boggs is doing fine, sends regards. May return, who knows?
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#2852126 - 04/26/17 09:21 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Thanks Danny! thu
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#2852159 - 04/27/17 05:23 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Larryz]
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But, what about JIMI? HE was creating some good stuff!
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#2852455 - 04/28/17 01:03 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: b3keys
I am thinking Super Strat and would like to have as much versatility with the tone as possible From super clean to heavy distortion.


I stand by my previous suggestion. Maple neck/Ebony fretboard mounted onto a Mahogany body with a Maple cap. Maple veneer looks nice, but adds nothing to the tone. You want the hardware to make contact with enough Maple to take advantage of the Maple's hardness. Fixed bridge will give you the greatest sustain, IMHO, but for a Super Strat design, a Floyd is customary, if not required. Maple neck will stand up to a lot of vigorous Vibrato Bar work. Be aware, for your luthier friend's sake, Ebony dust is highly toxic, which is why many luthiers and repair shops no longer work with it.


I'm also a keyboard player who plays guitar. This guitar - pretty much the materials recommended - achieves the sounds that the OP desires.

Despite a vibrato tailpiece, sustain is not a problem on this guitar.

I may add that the amp of choice plays a HUGE part in the sonic goals.

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#2852459 - 04/28/17 01:41 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Solid Body electrics ...... Tone wood impacts are overrated. Most the sound is defined by the pickups, amps and any effects chains.

Center block, hollowbody, and especially acoutics .... totally different story.


While that's true, there will be a difference between diff types of wood, as well as the choice of neck-body connection.

If yer goin' for a Strat style, with some of the woods you mentioned, I suggest this idea, which I actually used before.
Make a Les Paul style body but give it Strat style pickup array.
You get the sustain of the Paul body construction but the electronics & tools of the Start---vib bar, etc plus, & this is a very neglected value, the innate tone of the Strat bridge pickup placement, which emphasizes certain harmonics.

I'd also suggest skipping any but the lightest finish. The gtr will have better tone.
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#2852470 - 04/28/17 02:59 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Solid Body electrics ...... Tone wood impacts are overrated. Most the sound is defined by the pickups, amps and any effects chains.


True if you're using a high gain amp.

In a non-high gain amp - IE Texas Blues or early Marshalls - you'd better believe that tonewoods make a difference.

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#2852487 - 04/28/17 04:55 PM Re: Got Wood? [Re: The Real MC]
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I don't know. I have Teles with : Swamp Ash, Alder, Poplar, and Pine bodies with both Rosewood and Maple fretboards. They all sound like Teles. Most my amps are 6L6 based designs. Blackface or Boogies. I think it is mostly guitar player Jedi Mind trick.


Edited by CEB (04/28/17 04:59 PM)
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#2852536 - 04/29/17 04:21 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: CEB]
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Could be, CEB. For a long time,I thought my Epi acoustic didn't sound as good as others, but player friends of mine kept telling me it sounded FINE to them.

Since it was the only one I had, it was the only one I PLAYED, so it wasn't until I played a few of THEIRS that I noticed THEY sounded the same. wink
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#2852571 - 04/29/17 07:45 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
I don't know. I have Teles with : Swamp Ash, Alder, Poplar, and Pine bodies with both Rosewood and Maple fretboards. They all sound like Teles. Most my amps are 6L6 based designs. Blackface or Boogies. I think it is mostly guitar player Jedi Mind trick.


Most of those are sorta similar body woods but don't you hear a diff between the maple & rosewood boards ?
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#2852585 - 04/29/17 08:54 AM Re: Got Wood? [Re: d]
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Most of the sound coming from a Tele is from the electronics IMHO, so it is likely they will all sound like Teles! I can tell a difference in the woods when it comes to the feel. The looks, weight and balance has a lot to do with the woods used along with the feel of the fret board. Ebony is my favorite fret board on almost any guitar but on a Tele, I prefer maple. The feel of the guitar body, neck, frets, etc., can cause me to play it differently and thus the reason the woods sound different to me LOL! But, overall, I love that Tele sound no matter the woods used... cool
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