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#2849136 - 04/13/17 08:24 AM Lounsberry pedals
doctorpong Offline
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Anyone with experience with Lounsberry pedals? I'm especially interested in the "Tall & Fat" as a preamp emulator. (Lounsberry also makes the "Organ Grinder" which I think is more popular)

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#2849138 - 04/13/17 08:25 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: doctorpong]
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JA did an excellent review of the Organ Grinder a while back. If he doesn't see this thread you should try contacting him directly.

edit - I see now it's on the home page of the Lounsberry website.


Edited by davedoerfler (04/13/17 08:28 AM)
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#2849151 - 04/13/17 09:03 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: davedoerfler]
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Ya, been using the Organ Grinder for a good while now. Tons of thick and gnarly OD when I need it. Adding just a touch also enhances my sound. Built well and worth it.

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#2849174 - 04/13/17 10:30 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: TommyS]
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I saw Jim's review, and he used an XK3 with the pedal in the effects loop. Most clones don't have the benefit of one. Anyone used it "straight", and if so, how did you hook it up? I believe it's mono, not stereo, so L (or R) out, to Lounsberry, to Vent (or similar) to mixer? Or something completely different?

Wonder if a stereo one is in the pipeline?


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#2849198 - 04/13/17 11:40 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: Six-string-man]
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#2849227 - 04/13/17 01:23 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: allan_evett]
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I have a basic question; with the Tall & Fat, how does it connect to my SK-1? Stereo in to device/stereo out to amp/FoH?

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#2849231 - 04/13/17 01:30 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: doctorpong]
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I believe it's mono only so if you want stereo you will need to buy two.
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#2849379 - 04/14/17 08:19 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: davedoerfler]
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I had put the question also on the Clonewheel FB page, andLounsberry just posted something that if someone wants to buy two, the second one is $99

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#2849398 - 04/14/17 09:18 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: doctorpong]
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Let us know how it works out for you.
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#2855240 - 05/14/17 09:47 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: davedoerfler]
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ciao!

I have 5 of Lounsberry's pedals laugh
(2 Organ Grinder - different versions -, Wurly Grinder, Bass Overdrive and the new Tall & Fat)

they all sound great, but this new TALL & FAT is probably the best sounding non-tube pedal I tried on my hammond C3 (and digital clones too).

If you have a tube leslie (or Tornado) you can use it just a clean boost (as you already have "THE SOUND" coming from the leslie TUBE AMP).

but if you have a transistor rotary speaker (or digital simulator) the Tall & Fat is now a game changer.

here my first taste with a 3300W (internal tube preamp OFF):
transistor leslie sounding like a 147?

till now, I just reached that kind of middle-frequencies vintage sound (with my 3300W) through a Organ Drive.
cheers


Edited by KRK (05/15/17 01:50 AM)

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#2855308 - 05/14/17 11:34 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: KRK]
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I still don't get how you can use it without bypassing the internal sim. Having to purchase a ventilator or something like it would add consderably to the cost.
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#2855309 - 05/15/17 12:07 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: analogman1]
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To use it with an INTERNAL Sim you need an EFX-LOOP
on your instrument BEFORE the INTERNAL Sim.
(Some clones have that - Legend XK3/c - most not).

If not you have to bypass the INTERNAL Sim and have to
use an EXTERNAL device (Ventilator, Burn or real Leslie).
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#2855324 - 05/15/17 05:05 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: M_G]
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Good to know. Unfortunately on the XK1c, there is no effects loop, so to use the Tall & Fat would mean also getting a Vent or equivalent.
I do miss the tubes from the XK3c, but not the 25lbs of extra weight.
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#2855330 - 05/15/17 06:45 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G

To use it with an INTERNAL Sim you need an EFX-LOOP
on your instrument BEFORE the INTERNAL Sim.
(Some clones have that - Legend XK3/c - most not).

If not you have to bypass the INTERNAL Sim and have to
use an EXTERNAL device (Ventilator, Burn or real Leslie).


So there is no way to use this with a NE unless I also get something like a Ventilator?
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#2855343 - 05/15/17 08:31 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: KRK]
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this new TALL & FAT is probably the best sounding non-tube pedal I tried on my hammond C3 (and digital clones too).

Okay, so what tube pedal(s) would sound better than the T&F?
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#2855348 - 05/15/17 09:19 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: AnotherScott]
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That's what I meant to say, without an effects loop the grind pedal is in the wrong "place" in the effects chain.
I mentioned this because some people run it post Leslie sim.
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#2855353 - 05/15/17 09:37 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
That's what I meant to say, without an effects loop the grind pedal is in the wrong "place" in the effects chain.
I mentioned this because some people run it post Leslie sim.


Are you saying this is less than optimal or useless?
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#2855362 - 05/15/17 10:24 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: misterdregs]
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Originally Posted By: misterdregs
Originally Posted By: analogman1
That's what I meant to say, without an effects loop the grind pedal is in the wrong "place" in the effects chain.
I mentioned this because some people run it post Leslie sim.


Are you saying this is less than optimal or useless?


Running overdrive after a leslie sim can cause it to throb unnaturally.
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#2855364 - 05/15/17 10:39 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
... can cause it to throb unnaturally.


Oh my! We don't want any unnatural throbbin' going on! shocked

So not worth using with an external sim?
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#2855365 - 05/15/17 10:43 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: KRK]
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If you go to the Lounsberry webpage and play the T&F review video, the reviewer first places it in front of a Vent with the Vent drive set to zero. Then, the reviewer tries it after the Mojo sim. He points out that the Leslie rise and fall in volume changes the amount of good distortion that the T&F supplies in sync with that rise and fall. (In a real Leslie, the amp distortion is constant at a given volume into the Leslie--it doesn't very with the forward or backward position of the rotary speakers.).

It is not IMHO that the T&F sounds bad or useless post sim, but it is not ideal. Listen for yourself.

For me, I already own a Vent II. I'm on the fence re T&F; does it sound better than Vent II drive to justify an additional pedal?? Maybe I cannot know without buying one.
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#2855367 - 05/15/17 10:50 AM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: misterdregs]
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So not worth using with an external sim?

I think you meant to say "internal." With an external, you can definitely place it where you would want it to be.

Just from what I've read here, it sounds to me like placing it after an internal sim is not worth doing IF your goal is to make your clonewheel sound more authentic. Whether the resulting sound may be musically useful even if inauthentic is a different and more subjective question.
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#2855380 - 05/15/17 12:52 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: AnotherScott]
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So not worth using with an external sim?

I think you meant to say "internal." With an external, you can definitely place it where you would want it to be.

Just from what I've read here, it sounds to me like placing it after an internal sim is not worth doing IF your goal is to make your clonewheel sound more authentic. Whether the resulting sound may be musically useful even if inauthentic is a different and more subjective question.


Yes. Thanks for the correction.
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#2855418 - 05/15/17 02:33 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
[quote=misterdregs][quote=analogman1]

Running overdrive after a leslie sim can cause it to throb unnaturally.



You are very restrained Moe. Running any sort of overdrive after a Leslie sim sounds terrible. And that's on a good day.

There are only three good ways to use an overdrive and rotary effect with keyboards:

1. Put the overdrive in an effects loop.

2. Keep the volume and drive levels on the overdrive very low, almost too low to be effective.

3. Defeat the internal Leslie sim, and use an external device AFTER the overdrive.


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#2855420 - 05/15/17 02:41 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: Six-string-man]
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Originally Posted By: Six-string-man
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
[quote=misterdregs][quote=analogman1]

Running overdrive after a leslie sim can cause it to throb unnaturally.



You are very restrained Moe. Running any sort of overdrive after a Leslie sim sounds terrible. And that's on a good day.


SSM

A bit off topic,........
I know some Hammonds have reverb built in and then the leslie comes after the reverb'd organ, but i really dislike reverb before a sim.

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#2855425 - 05/15/17 03:29 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: Six-string-man]
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[quote=misterdregs][quote=analogman1]

Running overdrive after a leslie sim can cause it to throb unnaturally.



You are very restrained Moe. Running any sort of overdrive after a Leslie sim sounds terrible. And that's on a good day.

There are only three good ways to use an overdrive and rotary effect with keyboards:

1. Put the overdrive in an effects loop.

2. Keep the volume and drive levels on the overdrive very low, almost too low to be effective.

3. Defeat the internal Leslie sim, and use an external device AFTER the overdrive.


SSM


Thank you for a concise summary. In spite of the glowing reviews for the Ventilator and The Tall and Fat, I think I'll keep things simple and save my money for now.

I'm really not an organ player primarily and the folks I play with have always raved about the NE2 Hammond. And the couple of rehearsals with the NE5 got even better responses and it certainly suits my purposes.
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#2855482 - 05/15/17 08:33 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: misterdregs]
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If this helps anyone, I did a demo of various combinations of the Lounsbery pedals, most an SK through a vent with either a tall and fat, an organ grinder, or straight vent not necessarily that order. It's here in wav format, might answer some questions. https://soundcloud.com/den121961/v-g-tf/s-v2oNp
While doing that demo I thought to myself they're all so close I'm not sure I need the tall and fat, the grinder is cool for some extreme effects, that should be enough. But everyone that got a tall and fat said the same thing, you don't notice it when you pit it in, but you sure do when you take it out after using it for a while. I didn't believe that at all, figured it was some kind of psychosomatic thing that everyone said so nobody found out their ear was worse than everybody elses. But I tried it, removed a presonis tube pre I always run through and subbed the tall and fat in it's place, set very subtle. Well, everybody is right, it's permanently there now.
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#2855484 - 05/15/17 08:43 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: DenCV]
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I'm experimenting tonight with my T&F as a replacement for my Speakeasy AMA.
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#2855485 - 05/15/17 08:47 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: mate stubb]
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WOW! was wondering about that Dave but never thought it as a real possibility. Can't wait to hear about this.
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#2855486 - 05/15/17 08:50 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: DenCV]
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Originally Posted By: DenCV
If this helps anyone, I did a demo of various combinations of the Lounsbery pedals, most an SK through a vent with either a tall and fat, an organ grinder, or straight vent not necessarily that order. It's here in wav format, might answer some questions. https://soundcloud.com/den121961/v-g-tf/s-v2oNp
While doing that demo I thought to myself they're all so close I'm not sure I need the tall and fat, the grinder is cool for some extreme effects, that should be enough. But everyone that got a tall and fat said the same thing, you don't notice it when you pit it in, but you sure do when you take it out after using it for a while. I didn't believe that at all, figured it was some kind of psychosomatic thing that everyone said so nobody found out their ear was worse than everybody elses. But I tried it, removed a presonis tube pre I always run through and subbed the tall and fat in it's place, set very subtle. Well, everybody is right, it's permanently there now.


Just to continue the discussion we've had on facebook, do you have the Vent Drive on in addition to the F&T or is it way dialed down?
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#2855488 - 05/15/17 08:56 PM Re: Lounsberry pedals [Re: Barryjam]
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Barry, on the demo it was off when the grinder or the tall and fat was in. Now, at my studio and live, I have the vent drive all the way up,which is the way I always ran with it, and just a very minor amount of dirt on the tall and fat. I still prefer the drive on the vent to anything else I've ever used except a 6550 tube leslie. But that tall and fat is adding something so subtle it's hard to hear, but you definitely miss it when it aint there.
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