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#2850592 - 04/20/17 07:54 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
Fair points! Just seems like Yamaha haven't progressed in 6 years...

Well, their M.O. with this kind of thing is typically to come out with new stuff on the high end, and then let the tech trickle down in the subsequent years, so I'm not surprised to not see new tech here. Meanwhile on the high end, they did come out with the Montage, and also did a whole different thing with the Reface.
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#2850593 - 04/20/17 07:55 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd


Fair points! Just seems like Yamaha haven't progressed in 6 years...


Do you not think the recent Montage was a big leap from the Motif?

They certainly are milking the Motif range..but what company doesn't do this? I was working with another keyboard player last night who said my MOXF8 looked very intimidating! Something like the MX88 might be perfect for them? Weighted keys, pretty decent sound set, not too heavy and the potential to dig deeper if you so wanted. There must be a market for keyboard like this.

They'll probably be a Montage Lite a la the MOXF trickle down within the next year as well.
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#2850594 - 04/20/17 07:56 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: nickd
Fair points! Just seems like Yamaha haven't progressed in 6 years...

Well, their M.O. with this kind of thing is typically to come out with new stuff on the high end, and then let the tech trickle down in the subsequent years, so I'm not surprised to not see new tech here. Meanwhile on the high end, they did come out with the Montage, and also did a whole different thing with the Reface.


you beat me to it by a minute! smile
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#2850595 - 04/20/17 07:57 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
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Forgive my ignorance, but what does this offer compared to the MOX8 Yamaha sold in 2011?

About $600 more in your pocket, as I recall.

Also, simpler operation.


Fair points! Just seems like Yamaha haven't progressed in 6 years...


I'm sure they have - they're just squeezing the Motif till it's dry. You'll be paying for trickle-down Montage offspring in 2023.

Ah, you guys beat me to it too!







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#2850596 - 04/20/17 08:00 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: drawback]
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OK, good points - I meant that Yamaha haven't progressed with this particular product (not overall), but I stand corrected anyway, as it looks to have some good new features.

And I agree that simplicity is good - I downsized from a Kurzweil PC361 to a SP4-7 for just that reason.

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#2850598 - 04/20/17 08:03 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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We will need the operators manual to confirm other features, of course, whenever that becomes available.

I expect that the feature set and manual will be identical to the current MX49/61, except it's got the 88 keys.

You're right, the MX has more polyphony than the MOX did. It also has a different effects structure which is better or worse depending on what you need... up to four single insert effect on the MX, vs. three dual insert effects on the MOX. Though also, the ROM on the MX is about half the size, it does have all the MOX sounds. I'm not sure about the DAW difference you mention... it's not a feature I ever used, but both the MOX and MX did include some kind of USB/DAW integration.
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#2850629 - 04/20/17 10:43 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Dammit. I still want a 76 key version of this.
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#2850637 - 04/20/17 10:58 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: Dreamchilde]
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You and me both, but we're a dying breed, I guess.

I've been rocking an 88 on the bottom tier with a 76 on top for years, but I'm getting ready to downsize. When the Korg Grandstage comes out, I'll probably get that with a 61 on top.
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#2850651 - 04/20/17 11:48 AM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: zephonic]
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Yup, an MX76 or MOXF7 is what I've long wanted (and as long as I'm dreaming, sure, with aftertouch). There remains a dearth of lightweight 7x boards. But Nord has improved the situation a bit by finally going down to low E on their 73 SW boards, making it finally a "usable" 73 for me. The Electro 5D is about 20 lbs. I think that's the lightest 73 except for the Krome at about 18. But the Nord is its own animal, and while the Krome more directly competes with these Yamahas, I prefer these Yamaha's action, ergonomics, and acoustic instrument sounds to Krome's. Kurzweil has some good options in the SP4-7 and Artis7, but again, heavier. (MX61 is about 10.6 lbs compared to SP4-7's 24; MOXF6 about 15.5 compared to Artis7's 27.7 - I figure that 7x-key versions of these Yamahas would be a lot closer in weight to the 61 key versions than to those Kurzs.)
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#2850670 - 04/20/17 01:17 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Sweetwater has it on their website now: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MX88BK






and it's finally up on Yamaha's own site as well:

https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/music_production/synthesizers/mx88/

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#2850674 - 04/20/17 01:31 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: nickd
Forgive my ignorance, but what does this offer compared to the MOX8 Yamaha sold in 2011?

About $600 more in your pocket, as I recall.

Also, simpler operation. Yeah, it's not as capable, but some people are turned off or overwhelmed by the complexity of the more Motif-like Yamahas, and don't need the other features.


Actually, that's $700 more in your pocket-- $999 versus $1699! It might not be as good as the MOXF8 as far as sounds, wave memory, and expandability, but it's nearly half the price and still has 8-element voice editing, plus the GHS keyboard, so it seems like a pretty good bargain.
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#2850677 - 04/20/17 01:41 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
You and me both, but we're a dying breed, I guess.

I've been rocking an 88 on the bottom tier with a 76 on top for years, but I'm getting ready to downsize. When the Korg Grandstage comes out, I'll probably get that with a 61 on top.


+1. I feel 76 weighted is ideal for gigging and I wish more companies would go for it.

Weight of the MX88 is nice, but too long for my uses.
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#2850678 - 04/20/17 01:43 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: SeaGtGruff]
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So they've put a beefed up MX/Motif and matched it to the P-45/P-115/YDP GHS action with pitch/mod and DAW control in a 30lbs package for $999.99. That's not shabby at all. If you were looking at any of the entry level stage pianos (with or without speakers) to gig with and you get on with the GHS action over the Casio or low-end Kawai and Roland Ivory Feel G - heck and if you also bring your laptop with Mainstage or Cantabile. Pretty cost effective $1k keyboard.
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#2850680 - 04/20/17 01:50 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yeah. I'm looking at this primarily as a controller/audio interface.

I've been testing my laptop setup with an Audient iD14 interface, and it's just something I don't want to deal with. I want the audio I/O integrated in one of the keyboards so I can just grab the volume knob when needed.
If I can't find a decent 76'er with aftertouch and audio I/O (only options are Montage 7 and Jupiter 80), maybe I should just replace my NordPiano with this.
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#2850681 - 04/20/17 01:51 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: zephonic]
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Which NP did you pick up?
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#2850682 - 04/20/17 01:53 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2850683 - 04/20/17 02:05 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: zephonic]
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ah ha. then this will do a few things that one doesn't. especially with regard to controller for your vst rack. and you might even prefer the action.
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#2850686 - 04/20/17 02:23 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yeah, the NP88 wasn't build to be a controller. And the MX88 is almost 9 lbs. lighter. On the downside, wall-wart.

But all in all, the MX88 with Keyscape seems like a neat combo.
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#2850700 - 04/20/17 04:25 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: Nadroj]
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+1. I feel 76 weighted is ideal for gigging and I wish more companies would go for it.

Oh! In my response, I was thinking about 76 unweighted! But yeah, a 76 weighted version of this would have appeal too. I think maybe part of the issue is that, when 61, 7x, and 88 versions of the same board are available, I think the 7x is usually the slowest seller of the three... but also, it looks like they were probably able to repurpose the molds for the MOX8/MOXF8 chassis. They don't have a basic 7x chassis, so there is more of an initial tooling expense, which is quite expensive in plastic.
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#2850703 - 04/20/17 04:59 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yeah, I was hoping to see a 76 weighted of the MX instrument, but it seems the entry level tier for most of the majors is 61 and 88. Still, the MX88 looks to be a very strong at its price point. You essentially get the Voice soundset of a Motif XS; not shabby at all. I suspect the pianos will have more sustain in the sample than those on the Kross or Juno DS88. Those Motif pianos have stood the test of time for stage, and work well in both uptempo pieces and open, exposed ballad-style playing. I'd definitely recommend this one.
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#2850705 - 04/20/17 05:11 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: allan_evett]
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Yeah, I was hoping to see a 76 weighted of the MX instrument, but it seems the entry level tier for most of the majors is 61 and 88. Still, the MX88 looks to be a very strong at its price point. You essentially get the Voice soundset of a Motif XS; not shabby at all. I suspect the pianos will have more sustain in the sample than those on the Kross or Juno DS88. Those Motif pianos have stood the test of time for stage, and work well in both uptempo pieces and open, exposed ballad-style playing. I'd definitely recommend this one.

It's not the complete XS soundset (about half the sample ROM), but all the sounds in it do come from the XS, so yes, it would be the XS piano. Some sounds will be different because the XS permitted two insert effects on a sound, the MX only supports one. I like the Kross but would give the Yamaha the edge for piano and most acoustic instrument sounds. I still haven't heard the Juno DS.
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#2850709 - 04/20/17 06:00 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Let's be honest, the Motif library has served the keyboard playing community well since 2001. It's amazing what they've done with a tiny ROM, their compression technology was/is very good. Economics has brought it down to a just barely sub $1k price point and accessible to a lot more people. Players interested in Forte, Kronos, Nord Stage 3 are going to do that - but this is a pretty good deal. And light. Just take good care of it, because it's not going to be built like a Motifxx or S90xx at 30lbs and $1k.
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#2850712 - 04/20/17 06:16 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yeah, wow, only 5 pounds more than the PX-5S with probably a substantially better overall sound set. I'm not familiar with this GH action, but if it's close to the P80 I have, that would be great!

My PX-5S is really great but mostly for piano and pads. The EP is OK but not the best to me. The rest of the sounds are ok but I wouldn't put in the same league as a Motif.

I really miss the Yamaha sound lately. My friend brought an S770 to a gig and I thought it sounded pretty darn good (the EP sound).


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#2850720 - 04/20/17 07:27 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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It's amazing what they've done with a tiny ROM, their compression technology was/is very good.
I don't know whether they compress any better or worse than anyone else, but yes, Yamaha has tended to get a lot of quality out of relatively small sample sets... same with Kurzweil. I suspect it is not compression making the big difference... theres the quality of the original samples, and the flexibility within the architecture that determines what can be done with those samples, and the talent/ears of the people doing the sampling and programming.
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#2850729 - 04/20/17 09:04 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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^^^ this I reckon.Have great samples to start with, you get great sound. If it were available now, I might have got it instead of the 560.

Speaking of which, I know its the same keybed as the PX 5 but it feels nicer somehow and the gap between the keys seems slightly (maybe 1/2 a mill??) wider which means they don't knock together like they did on my px 5 with annoying "clacking sounds" haha1

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#2850736 - 04/20/17 10:15 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: aronnelson]
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+1 for a 76 key weighted version!

I used to own a P-80 a while back, and the GHS action is close enough that you won't be disappointed. I played it again today, and the Concert Grand Piano along with the EP's seem very strong and eminently playable. And the control interface is streamlined enough that it would make a very flexible core 88 key gigging board, especially with the integrated IOS & VST remote control options.
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#2850871 - 04/21/17 01:39 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yeah, I was hoping to see a 76 weighted of the MX instrument, but it seems the entry level tier for most of the majors is 61 and 88. Still, the MX88 looks to be a very strong at its price point. You essentially get the Voice soundset of a Motif XS; not shabby at all. I suspect the pianos will have more sustain in the sample than those on the Kross or Juno DS88. Those Motif pianos have stood the test of time for stage, and work well in both uptempo pieces and open, exposed ballad-style playing. I'd definitely recommend this one.

It's not the complete XS soundset (about half the sample ROM), but all the sounds in it do come from the XS, so yes, it would be the XS piano. Some sounds will be different because the XS permitted two insert effects on a sound, the MX only supports one. I like the Kross but would give the Yamaha the edge for piano and most acoustic instrument sounds. I still haven't heard the Juno DS.


I've played the Juno DS88 a fair amount. The 2nd keyboardist/guitarist on my previous church gig used one, so I was able to spend some time digging in. I still prefer basic Yamaha AWM pianos over the DS88 and PX-5S pianos (and for stage work am coming to really like Roland SN). But the pianos in the DS88 are very playable, reminding me somewhat of scaled down versions of those in the original RD700 or FP4. Meanwhile the pianos in the PX-5S have their own loyal following; they have that slightly darker vibe reminiscent of a stage mic'd Steinway (on which the sample set is based).

I like the synth engines in the Juno DS88 and PX-5S a lot. Each has a certain 'spiciness' not present in the MX series. To be fair, the 'best of Motif' sound set is solid bread-'n-butter stuff, and inspiring sometimes; but the Hex Synth in the PX-5S and sample-based library of the Juno DS are both a heck of a lot of fun, and have many inspiring moments. I'd love to see what Casio could do with a higher-end Hex Synth-only instrument. Meanwhile the Juno DS synth engine is like a trip down memory lane; very well done.
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#2850877 - 04/21/17 01:48 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: allan_evett]
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I still prefer basic Yamaha AWM pianos over the DS88 and PX-5S pianos ...But the pianos in the DS88 are very playable, reminding me somewhat of scaled down versions of those in the original RD700 or FP4.

There are two optional piano sets on the axial web site that can be loaded into the DS (EXP-04 and EP-09), have you tried those? I'm curious how they would compare to the stock piano in the DS.
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#2851516 - Today at 02:55 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: AnotherScott]
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I just played an MX 88BK at Guitar Center Emeryville this morning, for about 30 minutes or so.

I'm very impressed, and if I was in the market for this form factor I'd pick one up in a heartbeat.

Hefting it off the stand - it's perceptually very light for its size. It plays very nicely. The MX sounds really acquit themselves well, and plenty of variations on the major themes (pianos, EPs, etc).

minor niggle is there is apparently still the CP4-esque sustain pedal implementation - if you plug in the wrong "normally closed / open" kinda pedal, you can't switch polarity recognition, and rebooting doesn't fit it. Sigh.

That aside, the action feels substantial but I can still play fast, the bread and butter sounds are totally gig-worthy (of course, organ purists may be drawn to another all-rounder like an Electro), and the overall package hefts lighter than it appears. Not much not to like. But I don't need another 88 key weighted board in the arsenal, so not for me. But for many, this should be worthy of a demo before making any purchase decision.
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#2851519 - Today at 03:09 PM Re: Yamaha MX88-BK [Re: timwat]
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so the actions is? a bit to stiff?
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