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#2848480 - 04/11/17 05:07 AM Criteria....
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In some other thread someone made some comment about some particular amp being "ugly". Made me wonder a bit.....

Is it more mportant that the music you play SOUNDS good, or that the equipment you play it through LOOKS good?

I suppose most would prefer that it'd be nice if it were both, but this might not always be possible. Personally, since I'm not a pro and don't gig, it doesn't really matter to me. And I can make claim that if I WAS a pro it wouldn't matter. And I know there are some here that would claim( and it'd be true) that you can "tweak" a pretty looking amp to SOUND better. So maybe none of this really matters. But I AM curious...

"First blush", what choice would any of you make?
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#2848496 - 04/11/17 07:10 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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Function vs form, almost always.

But if something is ugly enough, I'll go for the next best, less ugly option.
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#2848531 - 04/11/17 08:30 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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At "first blush", I want the music I play to sound good, regardless of the equipment I play it through... cool

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#2848540 - 04/11/17 08:45 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Larryz]
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I don't understand how an amp would look ugly. Now a guutar, perhaps.

But, I would always go for sound over looks. I suppose someone would look at my old Fender Tweed with the cigarette burns, drink stains and torn covering and call it ugly. I like to think of it as "vintage" or "battle worn".

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#2848566 - 04/11/17 09:49 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: DocPate]
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Or, it's "Roadworthy" Doc LOL! cool

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#2848574 - 04/11/17 09:57 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Larryz]
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True Larry. Each "scar" tells a story.

I bet everyone here can attest to something similar

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#2848685 - 04/11/17 03:51 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: DocPate]
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Let's ask WILLIE NELSON for HIS opinion. wink
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#2848695 - 04/11/17 04:37 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate

But, I would always go for sound over looks. I suppose someone would look at my old Fender Tweed with the cigarette burns, drink stains and torn covering and call it ugly. I like to think of it as "vintage" or "battle worn".


When I bought my Twin it had some ugly looking drink stains on the grill cloth. I finally couldn't take it anymore and decided to spruce her up! Since the grill cloth had Velcro tabs it popped off easily. I bought a can of black fabric spray and man did that cloth come out nice looking! I guess collectors like that beer stained look. I may have wrecked that vintage value but I didn't care. I paid $300 for it and sold it about 15 years later for $300! cool


Edited by Larryz (04/11/17 09:07 PM)
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#2848787 - 04/12/17 04:34 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Larryz]
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Regarding amps, I agree, sound over looks every time... people in the audience don't really focus their attention on amplifiers.
But the appearance of the guitar can sometimes matter. You can make an electric guitar in basically ANY shape, and I've seen some in the shape of a shark or map of the USA, and some shapes that most people would consider UGLY...
During my years playing in church bands, if I was playing a shark-shaped guitar, it would probably offend some people and detract from the message.......... though of course, it wouldn't be SINFUL per se......

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#2848797 - 04/12/17 05:18 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Not being a church goer m'self, the only times I've SEEN a band in a church was at funerals. And even THEN the only guitars were acoustic. The BASS was usually electric, but only in the RARE times a bass was even used. Odd though...

In 10 years of wedding photography, with 300+ weddings under my belt, I've NEVER seen a band play at a ceremony. And only TWICE at any of the receptions! Anyway....

Had I ever been in a "working" band, and had a "fugly" amp, I wouldn't have sweated it. And I'd probably come up with some "snappy" wise-ass answer for anyone who told me he thought my amp was ugly:

"Yeah, but it's got a GREAT personality!" smile
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#2848915 - 04/12/17 11:37 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

Is it more mportant that the music you play SOUNDS good, or that the equipment you play it through LOOKS good?
Whitefang


I do not give a rip about how good an amp "looks" vs the tone it can produce. Tone comes way first and looks come a distant fourth. cheers
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#2848980 - 04/12/17 04:17 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
During my years playing in church bands, if I was playing a shark-shaped guitar, it would probably offend some people and detract from the message.


Kinda thinking that anybody offended by a shark-shaped guitar has some major problems focussing on what's really important.
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#2849076 - 04/13/17 04:04 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Yeah. Especially when it comes to a church band, where the instruments they play, how they look and the MUSIC they play isn't as important as the LYRICS. wink
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#2849133 - 04/13/17 08:21 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
In 10 years of wedding photography, with 300+ weddings under my belt, I've NEVER seen a band play at a ceremony. And only TWICE at any of the receptions! Anyway....



You guys back east must be kinda square daddy-o LOL! My Country Rock band played tons of wedding receptions! Those were our highest paying gigs.

I have only been to a couple of weddings where a guitar was used in the ceremony. One of my buddies played solo guitar while guests were being seated and then played the here comes the bride solo...my old band played the reception with all my buds as guests from my old high school band. We did the same thing at my daughter's wedding...makes the receptions a lot of fun getting the old guys up there live for a set and then turn it back over to the DJ.

+1 The solo guitar stuff is seldom seen at a wedding ceremony inside the church. I have only witnessed one and that was at a Catholic church. The guy played and sang Ave Maria and did a beautiful job. Later at the reception, my buddy hired an entire Mariachi band and we all had Mexican food...I mean wowie!!! Great fun! cool

ps. and I just remembered that my old guitar/harmonica duo played at my son's wedding reception too!




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#2849141 - 04/13/17 08:31 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Larryz]
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Not a wedding, but in a church service the lead guitar player did use a Wah pedal when playing "Amazing Grace".

Sounded great IMHO

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#2849200 - 04/13/17 11:46 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
During my years playing in church bands, if I was playing a shark-shaped guitar, it would probably offend some people and detract from the message.


Kinda thinking that anybody offended by a shark-shaped guitar has some major problems focussing on what's really important.


Shark shaped axes probably wouldn't offend, but might distract, I'd think, and honestly, that's on you as the guitarist. You're not supposed to be the focus, the message is.

Beyond that, though, I'm sure we're all aware of guitars out there with nekkid lady stickers, or even those that have been elaborately formed to look like naked humans, and parts thereof. *ahem* Wangcaster, have you seen it?

Ditto demon guitars, those with pentagrams, etc.

I know of people who have used smallsound/bigsound"s F*** Overdrive in their P&W boards, and taped over the pedal's name, but if your amp is Randall Satan, things get trickier.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/13/17 11:51 AM)
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#2849228 - 04/13/17 01:27 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I think a little venue decorum should always be used when showing up for a gig. I don't think Kiss or the Goth look would fit in at a church social LOL! Also, we would take the material into consideration when playing at a bar vs. when playing at a wedding where children are in the audience...I know the casinos used to have a milder dinner show and then later a much more adult show by the same artists, at the cocktail show! cool

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#2849253 - 04/13/17 02:57 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Larryz]
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@Larry:

I think DJs are less expensive to hire than a band. I don't know, just guessing. After shelling out $20+k for everything else, a DJ would be a way to cut corners. But on MY end...

I've managed to wind up working with the same DJs about three different occasions. But most of 'em seem to come from the same "DJ Factory". as it got to where I could set my watch by which song came along in their playlist. sick

"Oh, he's playin' BRICK HOUSE. Must be 10:30!" wink

"Must be gettin' on 11:20. He's playin' LOVE SHACK." grin
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#2849263 - 04/13/17 03:47 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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LOL! on the timing of those tunes... laugh

One of the great things about playing wedding receptions was you really didn't play the whole time as they had to throw the garter, throw the bouquet, cut the cake, make the toasts, etc. You took a lot of breaks and still got paid well! cool

ps. they fed and watered us too!


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#2849272 - 04/13/17 04:44 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
@Larry:

I think DJs are less expensive to hire than a band. I don't know, just guessing. After shelling out $20+k for everything else, a DJ would be a way to cut corners. But on MY end...

I've managed to wind up working with the same DJs about three different occasions. But most of 'em seem to come from the same "DJ Factory". as it got to where I could set my watch by which song came along in their playlist. sick

"Oh, he's playin' BRICK HOUSE. Must be 10:30!" wink

"Must be gettin' on 11:20. He's playin' LOVE SHACK." grin
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#2849320 - 04/13/17 11:54 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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As a reliable paying gig, those are often jealously guarded by bands who do them. Oddly enough, the only time I`ve played in a wedding band was for a scene in a movie, back in my Taipei days. It was in a big hotel ballroom. At the time I was in a house band that played on weekends. I think the other actors were a mix of those who really played but on other instruments, and those who were purely acting. One of the other actors said I `looked so realistic` on the guitar. I thought, should I say something? nah...it`s just good acting grin
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#2849330 - 04/14/17 04:08 AM Re: Criteria.... [Re: skipclone 1]
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Skip---

Sounds a bit like that scene in the movie "That Thing You Do" in which The Wonders are doing a scene in a beach party movie as "Captain Geech and The Shrimp Shack Shooters". Fake playing instruments to a playback. grin

LOVED that "Spinmaster" Danny! grin
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#2849445 - 04/14/17 12:23 PM Re: Criteria.... [Re: whitefang]
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Glad you liked it! Father Ted is one of my favorite Britcoms.

For the record, that one single being played is "Ghost Town" by ska band, The Specials:


If they seem familiar, the 3 singers also performed as The Fun Boy Three (who worked with Jane Wiedlin on "Our Lips Are Sealed" and launched Bananarama's career).

The Specials' core founder, Jerry Dammers, currently has a "Sun-Ra" like ensemble called the Spatial AKA Orchestra...which (among other things) does an updated and crazier version of "Ghost Town" and a nice version of Eric Satie's "Gnosienne No. 1".


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/14/17 12:32 PM)
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