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#2843722 - 03/22/17 03:12 PM Your Leslie simulator history
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I thought this might be an amusing topic, especially considering what some of us may have used before there were bona fide Leslie simulators (i.e., loosely defined a something with two distinct "rotors"). Here's my Hx:

Around 1980, I had a Farfisa V.I.P. 345 which I used with a Ross flanger! It produced this thick, moving sound in a seasick-on-the-ocean type of way. I think I then "upgraded" to a Boss Chorus Ensemble. I used this until I obtained an (analog) Korg CX-3 which of course had a built-in Leslie sim. After a couple of years I then paired the CX-3 with a Dynacord CLS-222 which was really the shiz for a while. From there it was a Voce Spin II which I thought sounded pretty good with my V5, and then a Ventilator for the past several years, first with a Nord Stage (classic) and now my Kronos/CX-3.

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#2843736 - 03/22/17 03:30 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Moonglow]
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I had a Multivox Full Rotor about 1979-1981 or so. It was ok but that was when alot of road bands were going to the CX-3 and alot of players were selling their Hammonds and Leslies.


Edited by bennyray (03/23/17 07:03 AM)
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#2843740 - 03/22/17 03:34 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: bennyray]
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The only one I ever had besides the real thing was an Oberheim OB3 and it sounded BAD... real BAD. frown
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#2843750 - 03/22/17 04:09 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Wastrel]
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Around 1989-90, I bought a Boss SE-50 multi-fx unit in part because it included a fully realized Leslie simulation. It had lots of editable parameters: hi and low rotor rise and fall times, stereo mic distance, drive, etc. I spent a lot of time fiddling with those different parameters, and though it made my Hammond-Suzuki XB-2 sound good. In 1996, I bought a Kork ToneWorks G4 Leslie Speaker Simulator. It sounded really good, and paired with my HS XB-2, I was pretty much in tonewheel heaven. (Let's put it this way: it way my technique and not my gear that messing up my sound.)

In the mid 'aughties, I bought a Hammond XK3 pro system and a MotionSound Pro 145. It stays in my studio and I enjoy the sound. Interestingly, to my ear, the Pro 145 sounds subtle compared to the simulators I have heard. The actual moving air has a special something to it, but the simulators always sound much more idk, more. I'm thinking of hotrodding the Pro 145 to put better mics in it: the mics in the Pro 145 sound bad (to my ears) and are too omni, and so pick up everything in the room.

I am now considering getting an XK5, but will continue to use the Pro 145 until it stops working.
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#2843787 - 03/22/17 06:16 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: BbAltered]
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#2843789 - 03/22/17 06:38 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: eric]
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Used a MTI Rotophaser, and then a Multivox Little David (very cool, looked like a mini-Leslie) on my Crumar T2
Then I went to the real thing.....
Then I went to using the on-board sim on my 1st generation BX-3
Stuck with that then moved to the Leslie sim in my Voce V3
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#2843804 - 03/22/17 07:47 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Doc Tonewheel]
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A guitar slinging friend of mine had a Little David. I thought it was the beez-kneez. We wanted to clone it, so we opended it up and then had a big laugh! It was the very first Leslie sim I can remember.
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#2843809 - 03/22/17 08:03 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Doc Tonewheel]
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The Hammond XK-2 onboard simulator was my first. Not very good, but it's tolerable if you stick to the lower 4 drawbars (!)

Then got a Motion-Sound Pro-3T, the one with the tube in it but no internal mics. To get loud enough at gigs, I would mic it up in stereo and feed that (along with the low rotor-simulation) to a mini-P.A. Sounded great, but it was a lot of work and trouble to get it all balanced properly.

Moved on to a Motion-Sound KBR-3D, which I used for about eight years and may continue to use going forward.

But meanwhile, still curious about easier ways to record and lighter ways to travel, I investigated a few pedals. The Line6 RotoMachine is very flexible and tries to emulate several different kinds of rotary speakers. I found a decent "145" setting and used it for a while. But the dealbreaker there is that the fast/slow stomp switch is ALSO the "bypass" switch! The function is determined by how hard you tap the pedal, and I was constantly bypassing the darn thing when I just wanted to change the speed. No good.

Played around with an EHX Lester K. It's pretty good on organ, though it's not quite in Ventilator territory. However, it's really AMAZING on electric piano! Rhodes and wurlys really come alive through that thing! I sold it but still wonder if maybe I should have kept it just for that.

Recently got a Ventilator II and am playing it through a CPS Spacestation. Jury is still out on whether this is actually a better live setup than the trusty KBR-3D. But nothing beats the Vent if I just want the sound in my headphones, or for recording.

The sad thing about this story is that I could have saved a lot of money and trouble by just springing for the Ventilator II instead of "working my way up to it!" I guess I had to be sure, before spending that kind of money on one pedal, that there really isn't a cheaper option. It seem like there isn't. Although, I'm curious about the GSI Burn. Hmmmm..... smile
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#2843814 - 03/22/17 08:21 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: dbran]
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@dbran -- great that you like the KBR-3D. I played through one for a while, and never grew attached to it. It sits in the garage somewhere, unused and unloved. But, yeah, the rotor sound is pretty good.
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#2843815 - 03/22/17 08:30 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: cphollis]
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I also had a MTI Rotophaser with a Kustom 250 bass amp for the bottom with my Univox Organizer. Now I use either the onboard sim with my NE 4D or my Leslie 2101 with my C1.
The reface YC gets the EHX Lester K.
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#2843825 - 03/22/17 09:02 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow


Around 1980, I had a Farfisa V.I.P. 345 which I used with a Ross flanger! It produced this thick, moving sound in a seasick-on-the-ocean type of way. I think I then "upgraded" to a Boss Chorus Ensemble.


Well, the very 1st phasing device I used was a Schulte Compact Phasing A.

Originally Posted By: Moonglow

I then paired the CX-3 with a Dynacord CLS-222 which was really the shiz for a while.


Similar here.
I also owned the early KORG CX3.
1st I bought the black faced CLS-22, then the white CLS222 and later the DLS-223 hardware upgraded to DLS-300 specs/features.
For all I used a Chandler Tubedriver rackmount as frontend as well as a Rocktron 300A compressor/HushII.

That was it and today I don´t use any external leslie sim at all.

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#2843829 - 03/22/17 09:06 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Al Coda]
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#2843830 - 03/22/17 09:11 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: cphollis]
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Originally Posted By: cphollis
@dbran -- great that you like the KBR-3D. I played through one for a while, and never grew attached to it. It sits in the garage somewhere, unused and unloved. But, yeah, the rotor sound is pretty good.


Yup, I really do like the KBR-3D! And I don't think I'd ever be looking for anything else, if it weren't so darn heavy and bulky. I guess it's fairly compact for what it does (a miniature stereo PA with real rotary horn? Yes please!), and anyone who has hauled a real B3/Leslie around would just laugh at my "problem." But still, at 65 lbs, it's getting hard for me to manage.

I remember reading that you didn't ever bond with your KBR-3D over on the spacestation thread. I wonder if it's because the Nord has, to my ears, a more "muted" piano tone than the QS8 that I play. Something about the KBR-3D really complements the brightness of the QS8 pianos and synths really well -- but maybe it just doesn't do any favors for the Nord? Just a guess. I know you put a lot of effort into your sounds, so you must have tried various things to get the KBR-3D to work.

The thought of yours sitting in the garage makes me sad! Mine is currently sitting in the repair shop, as one of the internal rotor mics (for feeding signal to the FOH) has failed. This, and curiosity about cutting the size/weight in half, is why I'm currently using a Vent/Spacestation combination.

Thanks for replying, cphollis, and also thanks for the wealth of information over on the spacestation thread. Very, very helpful!
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#2843850 - 03/22/17 10:16 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: dbran]
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Well, my deal is that I'm 70% APs and DPs, and maybe 30% organ. I care about all my sounds, but if the APs/DPs aren't rocking it, well ..

I never could get my AP/DP sounds to rock through the KBR-3D. Ain't giving up on my Nord sounds, they really work for me. Especially with decent amplification. It's my thing smile

That, and the top-heavy design made lugging a PAIN. But I did love that rotary speaker. Just wasn't the all-in-one solution that I craved.

Hey, if you'd like a backup unit, PM me. I'm sure we could work something out, as I'm basically not using it.
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#2843851 - 03/22/17 10:17 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: dbran]
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#2843859 - 03/22/17 10:46 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: HammondDave]
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My first leslie simulator was gradually bringing in the vibrato on a Farfisa Combo Compact: I'd start with no vibrato, then light-slow vibrato, then heavy-slow, then heavy fast. Yes, really.

With a country band (which supplied the instrument) I had a Wurlitzer electric piano played through an original oilcan Morley pedal. Our guitarist had a Guitorgan through a Little David, I think.

I graduated to a VIP345 and Leslie 860, both of which I regret throwing away.

Next: the internal leslie sim (not bad sounding) on my Alesis Fusion (terrible organ though).

Then a couple of Kurzweil 2xxx's into a Boss/Roland RT-20, which I still have and like. Probably because I have never played through a Vent. :-)

Finally, the internal Leslie effect on my PC3(61). I prefer the BWB30829 single Leslie algorithm to the Kurzweil Double Leslie -- it sounds good to my (and my listeners') ears, and leaves enough effects processing power to run a guitar patch through an amp model -> chorus -> delay if I want to.
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#2843863 - 03/22/17 11:30 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Tom Williams]
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#2843890 - 03/23/17 04:51 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: UnderGroundH]
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Moonglow I had those same 2 pedals.

I had a Hammond L100, and I bought a Ross flanger to run it thru. Later on I migrated to a Boss Chorus.

After the Hammond, I had an early Casio "1000P". It had a delayed vibrato sound so I did what Tom did, and hit the delayed vibrato on, then the full vibrato.

After that I was playing in a band that had a B3/122 combo.

After the B3 band, I got the SE50 which BbAltered mentioned. (I still have this but it's not used live). I (think) it was used on a Juno 106 organ patch. I had a JX10 as well and would midi them together to have a percussion sound from the JX and the organ tone from the 106.

For a while I used an SY77 which had a decent for it's time Leslie sim.

Then I got a Rhodes VK1000 and used it's internal sim, then got a Motion Sound 3T (whatever the tube model was). That was my organ rig for a good while.

I got a Roland VK7 and used it's internal sim as it's output wasn't hot enough to drive the MS without cranking up the MS pre, which gave a heavy dirt sound to everything. I might have gone thru a couple real Leslies during this time. I remember having a single driver 125 and think I had a 145 with a Trek preamp as well.

I replaced the VK7 with the original Electro and used it's internal sim.

Next I used a Speakeasy preamp and Leslie 145, with the Electro.

Bought an original Vent for the Electro, which breathed a little life into it. I used the Vent on my Stage Classic and SK1 as well. I still have the Vent but it's not in my rig at this moment.

Bought a Lester K as an option to have another option for the SK1 since my Vent was rack mounted. I used the K on 1 gig and decided it didn't give me much that my tweaked SK1 sim didn't already have and opted for the quicker setup time.

Currently have an Electro 5d and use it's internal sim.
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#2843895 - 03/23/17 04:55 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: DanL]
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I never used Leslie's live but have had a ton of them. Here is my list

Micro B
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Korg CX-3 Versions 1 and II
Hammond XK3
Hammond XK3-C
Hammond XK-1C
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#2843910 - 03/23/17 05:42 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Outkaster]
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In chronological order..

1993: Korg DW8000 - ART Multiverb
1994: Korg Wavestation EX - internal sim
1998: Hammond XB2 - Leslie 25
2008: Korg CX3 - Leslie 25
2010 - Korg CX3 - Ventilator
2016 - Korg CX3 - Lester K
Later in 2016 to present: Nord Electro 5D - Lester K
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#2843922 - 03/23/17 06:26 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
My first....



Dang forgot I had one of those I used it for my Hohner Pianet and later a Fender Rhodes Mark 1.
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#2843923 - 03/23/17 06:28 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: tucktronix]
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Back in the 70's, a had a Leslie 145 with pre-amp pedal, which I used with a Yamaha YC-30 combo organ. Sounded pretty good actually.

Then I went with cheesy sims...

Mu Tron bi-phase
Little David
VK8m
Now, Nord Stage 88
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#2843938 - 03/23/17 07:16 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: stillearning]
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This was my first. I think I bought it around 1979.

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#2843943 - 03/23/17 07:19 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: stillearning]
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In chronological order:
Baldwin 5 (tube) console church organ with Baldwin (one speed) Leslie - NOT a sim. (sold)
I did briefly own a couple of new Leslie 122, but bought them for resale and installation in churches.
Baldwin 171 Spinet Organ (donated)
Kurzweil K2661 KB3 Leslie sim (sold)
Kurzweil PC2 KB3 Leslie sim
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#2843967 - 03/23/17 08:18 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: stillearning]
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Gigged with a Leslie 760 since 1981. While on a business trip in 1990, I stopped in a Guitar Center in LA (before they went national) and they had the CLS-222. I walked out of the store with it. Still have both the sim and the real thing. I gig with the CLS, and only haul the Leslie when it is justified (IE playing lots of Hammond).

When I got the XK3, I built a converter circuit to control the rotor speed of the CLS from the XK3. That gave me MIDI controlled rotor speed which was way cool.

I tried other leslie simulators but I'm too discriminating and too spoiled by the CLS. Plus most of them are tailored for guitar players not Hammonds, where the fast sim sounds OK but the slow sim sucks. The XK3c sim does sound much better than the XK3. Never did find a Vent to try out.

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#2843987 - 03/23/17 09:10 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: The Real MC]
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When I first saw this thread, I thought I hadn't used many sims. As I read, I remembered just how many I have used...

Motion Sound Pro3
Then added low pro
Motion Sound thing with rotor in a rack mount
Kurzweil KDB3
Now VENT II

Plus I currently have a Speakeasy Vintage Pre with a 122 output. Never use it because I cannot envision taking my Leslie 142 to a gig, but I suppose I should try it with the Vent just for giggles.


Edited by Barryjam (03/23/17 09:11 AM)
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#2843988 - 03/23/17 09:15 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: The Real MC]
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In the 70s I played a Farfisa Compact with a real Leslie 825
Then 2010 - Korg CX3 Vintage (1980's) with built in sim (bad..)
Last year - Lester K (still using the vintage CX3)

I love the Lester K ... nice warm sound, add a dash of its distortion and it makes a world of difference.
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#2844004 - 03/23/17 09:53 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
This was my first. I think I bought it around 1979.



Al that is the one I had also. Brings back memories.
I remember after I quit using it I loaned it to another keyboard player and haven't seen it yet.


Edited by bennyray (03/23/17 09:54 AM)
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#2844026 - 03/23/17 10:26 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: The Real MC]
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(Pre History)
in 1967 I had a Leslie 120 (GEM/Whitehall trans. organs)
1968 brand new Leslie 145 (w/ Hammond M3)
1970 Leslie 122 (w/ Hammond C3)

(more recent - 30 years or so)
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Dynacord CLS 222
Korg ToneWorks G4
Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere MKII
MS Pro-T3
MS KBR-3D

The Dynacord CLS was the best of the electronic sims I had owned but it did give me 'level' problems. If the output level of my organ was not set just right it would overdrive and the overdrive light would go on and off and distort not in a good way. But it had the magic when set correctly!

The CLS was recommended to me by T. Lavitz (RIP) personally at one of his gigs at the old Lonestar Roadhouse in NYC. I had already been looking at it but he was using it that night and it sounded very good so I Gassed up. Gotta miss that guy.

Now I may use any of these:

Leslie 145/Speakeasy Pre
Nord Electro 5d's Internal Sim
Korg CX-3 ver 2's Internal Sim
and occasionally the MS Pro-T3

smile smile


Edited by Legatoboy (03/23/17 01:17 PM)
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#2844041 - 03/23/17 11:14 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Legatoboy]
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I've never used an external one, but then I am not really an organ player per se and only play classic rock in a loud band smile

My late 80s/early 90s keys rigs included a Roland JX10 and a Proteus rack; both had an "organ" but I don't recall if they even attempted a fast leslie via mod wheel....

On the comeback trail, I reached organ Nirvana with the Motif 6--no, I jest....it sounded "organish" until you tried the fast leslie, and at that point even non-musician audience members would start wondering what was wrong.

I tried a CX3 v2 and the internal sim sounded pretty decent.

I tried (and still have) a Kurzweil pc3 and after a few tweaks I felt the internal sim was ok.

My latest is a VR-700 from Roland and it sounds really good to me in a rock setting. I imagine it doesn't stack up to the Vent or later clonewheels but nobody has complained yet (other than me, who wants something a bit more compact and lighter...just can't justify the expense right now....)

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#2844050 - 03/23/17 11:36 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
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Originally Posted By: Stokely
I've never used an external one, but then I am not really an organ player per se and only play classic rock in a loud band smile

This is me basically, which is why I never got one until recently. The 8 piece horn band I'm in wanted to do a side project of 3DN. It's not complicated stuff but Jimmy Greenspoon is using the Leslie a lot. One of the other band members has a real B3 and Leslie he wanted to use but the rest of us said no way to moving all that equipment. I had known about the Vent, and once I watched Jim's YouTube videos again, I bought one.
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#2844053 - 03/23/17 11:40 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: SkiGuy777]
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No doubt it sounds incredible...I wonder just how much better than the VR-700's internal sim it actually is. I'm putting my head in the sand and probably don't really want to know--too many other things I need!

It would have to be a fair bit better, and in mono, since I'm leaning toward upgrading the keyboard itself in the future to possibly something that has a really nice internal sim.

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#2844076 - 03/23/17 01:09 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
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Between 1988-1990, I had the rackmount Dynacord CLS-222. Probably the best leslie sim during that time period.

Today, I'm using the (original) Vent. Though, I really wish NEO would come out with a rack-mount VENT with independent Stereo Hi / Stereo LO balanced outputs.
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#2844135 - 03/23/17 06:33 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: engineerjoel]
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Started in the '70s with a Farfisa and Boss chorus, then went with a Jess Oliver "Orbital" passive rotating horn; I think I used it with my old Kustom 100. Then a Leslie 120 for a while; sold all that and picked up a L101 & 147. Great rig for years. These days I am happy using an original Vent with either my sk1 or Mojo.
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#2844154 - 03/23/17 08:12 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
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In the 70s I played a Farfisa VIP255 thru a 910 Leslie. In '98 I got a Roland VK-7 with a Peavey keyboard combo amp. Eventually got a Motion Sound KBR-M, which I ended up hating, but I used it for a few years. I got rid of the KBR-M and replaced it with 2 Behringer keyboard amps. I used an old PC running B4, and it sounded much better than the VK-7 and the MS. I used the VK-7 as a controller keyboard. Eventually sold that rig and used VB3 straight into the PA system. Now I use a Novation Impulse 61 controller, which has 9 sliders that can be configured as drawbars. I'm still running VB3 on an old Macbook when I do live gigs. I also had a Strymon Lex for my guitar rig.

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#2844164 - 03/23/17 09:49 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: dougb415]
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Speaking only about gigging rigs, not extra organs at home:

- Farfisa Combo Compact, Gibson G101, and then Farfisa Professional thru Leslie 45 with 2 speed motors added and driven from a Sunn tube head.

- Hammond B2 thru custom Crown biamped leslie with 2 15" Gauss woofers, 2 rotors, and 2" JBL horn driver. This leslie was blown up by Jan Hammer during a Mahavishnu show.

- same B2 thru rebuilt custom lowboy leslie with only 1 woofer and rotor. Has JBL woofer and horn driver.

- Korg CX-3 (1979 analog version) internal sim.

- Roland VK-1000 internal sim. Later added a MS Pro-3.

- Roland JV-80 rompler patch w/ internal leslie effect. It's hard to admit this - still traumatized.

- Nord Electro 2 internal sim. Later added a Speakeasy preamp.

- Nord Stage Classic internal sim. Added Speakeasy Roadbox. Then added Speakeasy AMA and a Roadbox Convertible.

- VB3 vst in Receptor being driven from my custom controller.

- added MiniVent. Added Crumar Mojo. Mojo -> AMA -> MiniVent works a treat.

- added Hammond XK-1C. Never used internal sim, always ran thru the MiniVent.

- added Mojo 61. I use the internal sim on this and it does the job just fine. I'm going to hook the MiniVent back up for giggles to try.

Now I'm anxious to test drive the Viscount.


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#2844171 - 03/23/17 11:55 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: mate stubb]
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1970 Leslie 147 paired with an L100 organ
1991 Ensoniq KS32 had an OK simulator for its time. It'd never fool anyone but it sounded OK and I really liked the fact that the speed could be switched with aftertouch
1997 Roland VK7 internal sim. Sometimes I thought it sounded OK and other times very much not so
2007 XK3 replaces VK7. Internal sim not great, but not as squirrelly sounding as the VK7
2009 Motion Sound Pro3X - a real spinner that could fill the room with sound. I didn't like the loud hum emanating from the bass output but otherwise it was OK.
2011 Hammond SK replaces XK3 but the fast speed is too fast for my liking
2012 Ventilator Mk1 - I still use this today in preference to both the Mojo and SK's internal sims
2016 Mojo, but I always use the Ventilator on gigs
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#2844176 - 03/24/17 04:29 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: John Tweed]
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Getting old....I knew there was something missing in my list.... how could I forget this:




Still in use - not gigged with, but set up at home.
Those crazy Canadians must have taken lessons from Laurens Hammond on how to over-engineer musical amps.

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#2844185 - 03/24/17 05:31 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: lightbg]
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Went from a C3/122 to a korg poly 61 patch using the internal chorus on high speed only, talk about a downgrade! Not including the real things at home, next "portable" was a jx8p which lasted about a week until I found an old analog CX3. Internal sim was so subtle I knew I had to do something. I tried a mutron phasor 2, big fail, then I went to a rocky road, knew that wasn't gonna cut it, so next was an RT20, which I struggled with for about 6 months. It was better than the internal but still had a long way to go. I ended up building a frankenstein leslie, which I now use for guitar, but it was just a bottom rotor, so I'd have to mic it and eq it hard, leading to wonderful feedback. THen I picked up a leslie 50C, and that combo was livable, but it was a beast to haul. Next I got a new digital Korg CX3 thinking I could live with the internal and it would be nice to just plug and go. The upper end drove me nuts. Out came the 50c again with that. I finally tried a vent, but that harsh upper end was just as bad with the vent as the internal, so I stuck with the 50c, which was the only thing that made that harshness tolerable for me. Then nwe started doing small resturaunt gigs and my CX3/50c and real wurly wasn't fitting. SO I went out and tried an SK1 for the second time, this time bringing the vent and a volume pedal to the store. Walked out with it 10 minutes later. My setup is still an SK1 or 2 through a vent (with an added Organ Grinder before the vent, and a strymon el capistan after used sparingly), except for maybe one gig a year to remind me why I don't haul the leslie all the time anymore.
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#2844211 - 03/24/17 07:27 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: lightbg]
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Originally Posted By: lightbg
Getting old....I knew there was something missing in my list.... how could I forget this:





Still in use - not gigged with, but set up at home.
Those crazy Canadians must have taken lessons from Laurens Hammond on how to over-engineer musical amps.

Jake


Question Jake:

WTF IS THAT? smile

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#2844217 - 03/24/17 07:43 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Joe P]
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Wow.

With the CDN inference I googled RVS Amplifiers and got... RV-ing.

Never heard of it, and I've had/used Garnet, Traynor, Lesage, Kingsley, Fury, Dingwall, Radial, and Wire gear.

Back on topic, I've only used Hammonds with a Leslie 122, Leslie 145, then onboard simulators with clones... through MotionSound and the usual configurations until Neo Ventilator and Spacestation changed the world as we know it.

Now with a Mojo61, the Vent's on local Craigslist. Any Canucks want to buy it, PM me.



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#2844229 - 03/24/17 08:16 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: drawback]
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Wow.

With the CDN inference I googled RVS Amplifiers and got... RV-ing


Always look within first:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2422647/Any_info_on_Traynor_RVS_Model_

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#2844244 - 03/24/17 09:04 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: OrpheusNY]
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#2844256 - 03/24/17 09:35 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Joe P]
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Question Jake:

WTF IS THAT? smile

Joe [/quote]

Joe

As pointed out above,

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2422647/Any_info_on_Traynor_RVS_Model_

The most bulletproof amp I've ever owned. For it's time the rotary sim was the best.
RVS = Rotating Vibrato Synthesis
It's wouldn't fool anyone today, but it's still usable
- definitely not chirpy, and with a blend control on each channel you automatically get a type of chorus..... made by Traynor, but marketed for keyboard players.


Edited by lightbg (03/24/17 11:02 AM)
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#2844257 - 03/24/17 09:44 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: drawback]
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Like member John Tweed on this thread, I play an SK1 (since 2011), but have disliked its internal sim. Again like John, I find its slowest FAST sim speed to be still too fast, and Hammond does not allow one to slow it down below the "375" setting. Wish Hammond would put out an update to do so.

I have tried the Vent but didn't like it either (too chattery for me). Have been using the Strymon LEX rotary pedal with the SK1 for 5 years, and like it well enough.

On some tunes, I'll use the internal SK1 sim with the SLOW speed turned all the way up to max (318) as my FAST rotary speed. I do this on tunes in which I need to use a layered voice, and don't want the SK1's EXTRAVoice (harpsichord) top layer to be rotaried by the external LEX pedal. BTW, that 318 SLOW rotary speed measure is very close to the FAST rotary speed measure I wish Hammond would have allowed internally on the SK1.

I am toying with trying a new rotary sim pedal called the NUX Roctary (see http://www.nuxefx.com/show-7-209-1.html)

If any of you know about it, please let us know? Thx


Edited by garnermike (03/24/17 09:59 AM)
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#2844279 - 03/24/17 11:21 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: garnermike]
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As I showed above, my first sim was the ol' Maestro Phase Shifter. Totally stupid sim, sounded nothing like a Leslie... but I used it to "approximate" the sound. And for late 70's music, it worked pretty well.

Went back to real Leslie's until I started to gig regularly in Dallas. That's when I used a Motion Sound Pro 3T on top of a (wait for it).... Roland KC500 Chainsaw Amp! Yes, the Pro 3T took care of all the highs, leaving the KC500 to do what it does best, fart away the bass frequencies...

Soon decent sims started to come onto the market. Went through the whole Hammond clone lineup with each sim getting marginally better.

When I moved to LA I kept the Motion Sound and ran a VK7 through it. Sounded pretty good for the classic rock we were playing. Finally sold it when I was "satisfied with the sim in the XK3. But when the Vent came out, it changed everything. Owned both the Vent I and Vent II. Still love the overdrive in it. When I bought my Mojo I sold the Vent II. I just feel that the Mojo is 95% as good, and who needs all that real estate and three more cords to lug around?

My question about sims... after all their musical technological achievements, why can't Yamaha create a better rotary sim? Is it just not in their DNA?
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#2844331 - 03/24/17 02:11 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
As I showed above, my first sim was the ol' Maestro Phase Shifter. Totally stupid sim, sounded nothing like a Leslie... but I used it to "approximate" the sound. And for late 70's music, it worked pretty well.

Went back to real Leslie's until I started to gig regularly in Dallas. That's when I used a Motion Sound Pro 3T on top of a (wait for it).... Roland KC500 Chainsaw Amp! Yes, the Pro 3T took care of all the highs, leaving the KC500 to do what it does best, fart away the bass frequencies...

Soon decent sims started to come onto the market. Went through the whole Hammond clone lineup with each sim getting marginally better.

When I moved to LA I kept the Motion Sound and ran a VK7 through it. Sounded pretty good for the classic rock we were playing. Finally sold it when I was "satisfied with the sim in the XK3. But when the Vent came out, it changed everything. Owned both the Vent I and Vent II. Still love the overdrive in it. When I bought my Mojo I sold the Vent II. I just feel that the Mojo is 95% as good, and who needs all that real estate and three more cords to lug around?

My question about sims... after all their musical technological achievements, why can't Yamaha create a better rotary sim? Is it just not in their DNA?


It wasn't until the reface YC that they had a decent tonewheel sim, and now you want a Leslie?.......maybe 2027.

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#2844462 - 03/25/17 09:53 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: lightbg]
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I found this photo from a gig I was playing in Dallas in 1997. It pretty much shows my rig with my trusty Pro3T on top of my Roland JV 1080 module. By the way, that's a Roland A90EX controller on top of the piano. This rig actually sounded pretty good (for back then)... It's also nice to see myself with dark hair.



Edited by HammondDave (03/25/17 10:08 AM)
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#2844750 - 03/26/17 07:26 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: garnermike]
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Mike,
Seriously, get the 8 pin cable for your SK, it automatically sends the organ to your sim, and the extra voices to the regular outs. It's what sold me on the SK series to begin with. ALso, if we all make enough noise maybe HS will adjust the code so we can get a slower fast speed. I can't live with that fast either, every leslie I own is on the top pully.

Originally Posted By: garnermike


On some tunes, I'll use the internal SK1 sim with the SLOW speed turned all the way up to max (318) as my FAST rotary speed. I do this on tunes in which I need to use a layered voice, and don't want the SK1's EXTRAVoice (harpsichord) top layer to be rotaried by the external LEX pedal. BTW, that 318 SLOW rotary speed measure is very close to the FAST rotary speed measure I wish Hammond would have allowed internally on the SK1.


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#2845346 - 03/28/17 07:34 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: DenCV]
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Thx!
I may try the 8-pin thingie.
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#2845357 - 03/28/17 08:47 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: garnermike]
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#2845378 - 03/28/17 10:26 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
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First I started with Roland Vk-7 in 2011.

Then I played a stock M-103 w/o a Leslie in late 2011.

Used a Boss PH-3 phaser pedal as a very lame Leslie few months later.

Bought a DLS RotoSim in 2012 after playing a 201 EP at Caveman in LA. It's not great at all, but it sounds good on EP's just like the EHX Lester pedals.

Now an SK-1 plain jane starting in early 2015.

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#2845500 - 03/29/17 09:48 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: FreshTrooperXBL]
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Ensoniq KS 32 onboard---it took me months to realize that key pressure was the speed regulator---I knew nothing at the time including not knowing what a Leslie was initially.

DX7 onboard---terrible

Voce Micro B onboard---terrible

Alesis QS6 onboard----terrible

Roland VK7 onboard---huge improvement, thought it was great

Motion Sound Pro 3 with keyboard amp---HUGE improvement, thought it was great, still do, especially with bass amp. GREAT piece.

Nord Electro 2 onboard---thought it was great, now don’t

Nord Electro 3 onboard---thought it was great, now pretty good

Hammond SK1 onboard---Thought it was great, still do

Lester K---because it was so inexpensive, thought I’d try it against onboard SK1. It was really good, but not any better than SK1, different, but not better to my ear. Returned it.

Nord Electro 4 onboard---my fave so far, but I would concede that the SK1 is in the same league, just a matter of taste at this level.

Caveat---I’ve never tried the Vent….yet.

Also, I have a solid state 900 and 760….I’m not sure I would pick either one over a Motion Sound pro 3 and good bass combo.

I have a 122---enough said.
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#2845518 - 03/29/17 10:43 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
My question about sims... after all their musical technological achievements, why can't Yamaha create a better rotary sim? Is it just not in their DNA?


This is a super-good question, one I've wondered about since I owned the Motif 6. They kept improving the Motif line yet kept the same lame leslie in there from what I could tell. At this point you could say they might be the only major "rompler" manufacturer that doesn't have a dedicated organ engine:
Korg - cx3
Roland - vk/vr engine
Kurzweil - (forgot the name of it, and I own one!)
Nord - 'nuff said

Granted, these guys don't put those engines in everything, which is annoying! grin
Considering how old some of the above are, it doesn't seem like it would take much to jump in the game.

A mox with a nice b3 engine? Take my money, I'll buy two of them.

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#2845538 - 03/29/17 12:00 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
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In an earlier life I had a Leslie, a 142 I think, paired with a red Yamaha YC-20. Then I got a B3 but never played out with it. In the current band, I had a Hammond XK2. Since the sim wasn't to my liking, I found a Motion Sound R-147. Barryjam mentioned having this in a earlier post. It's rack mountable, 6U tall, has a rotating horn with mics, bass rotor sim, all fully enclosed. It doesn't sound out into the room at all. It sounds absolutely authentic to me, but compared to a Vent, who'd want to lug it around? Now I just play the KB3 in my Kurzweil PC3 and love it.

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#2845540 - 03/29/17 12:19 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Moonglow]
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Around 1980, I had a Farfisa V.I.P. 345... until I obtained an (analog) Korg CX-3

My first portable organ was also the VIP 345! After that, the Hammond X2, with an MXR phase shifter, before getting a "real" Hammond chop with a Leslie 122. Used that until I got the analog Korg CX3 when it came out. Action sucked (broke keys all the time), but I finally had a portable I was content playing.
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#2845550 - 03/29/17 12:48 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: sagetunes]
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Originally Posted By: sagetunes


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Roland VK7 onboard---huge improvement, thought it was great

:

Lester K---because it was so inexpensive, thought I’d try it against onboard SK1. It was really good, but not any better than SK1, different, but not better to my ear. Returned it.



I actually ordered a Lester K this week to try it out with my Roland VK-8. My experience is very similar to yours. I liked the VK-8's onboard rotary but was not happy with the way it interacted with the onboard COSM amp modelling.

So I tried hooking up the Lester K and turning off the on-board FX (i.e. turning the COSM Amp to minimum distortion) and to be honest, the rotary effect is not better than the VK-8. It is different.

The way the rotary and "Drive" work together is also different, but I haven't nailed down a perfect sound with it either.

It definitely gives me more options. I wish there was a way to "insert" an overdrive between the keys and the onboard rotary on the VK-8...

As for the Lester K, I haven't made up my mind about returning it yet.

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#2845555 - 03/29/17 01:09 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: StickMan393]
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Leslie Sim History.

April 2015 - Mini Vent (Only Vent available at the Time.)

That is it ...... Before that only the real thing baby.
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#2845760 - 03/30/17 10:26 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: CEB]
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I had an EMU B3 that i used for very long.
It was purely sampled and the crossfading was strange and also the percussion, chorus and overdrive was nothing like the current top clones.

However on fast it made a great sound i thought was missing in all the other clones at the time (VK-7, Electro, XK-2)
When you listen to the fast settings it seems the sound gains momentum whereas many clones (even current ones) seem to have an effect glued to the basic sound.

Can any leslie specialist comment on this ??
Into 0:35-0:40 sec. of the video below......still many modern simulators don't have this organic screaming sound on fast....


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#2845769 - 03/30/17 11:15 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: vanderSchoot]
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Oh. I'd forgotten about that one. I had a Proteus with the Ultimate B3 ROM in it (which is basically the same thing). My band used to beg me to bring it to gigs because they loved the sound. My problem was that I found it hard to get at the patches I wanted on the fly without a dedicated MIDI controller.
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#2845784 - 03/30/17 12:09 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Wastrel]
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I never had the Ultimate B3 (not sure if it was out at the time I was gigging) but the Proteus deserves a spot on the best-keyboard/module-for-it's-time list. That thing was just great, easy to navigate (perhaps not quickly as Wastrel says), great sounds. It had a feature that few gear has copied (though I wish it would)--the extra outputs doubled as inputs so it acted as a submixer for other keyboard. I used this for a number of gigs with my JX-10 feeding into it.

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#2845839 - 03/30/17 03:35 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Stokely]
Canoehead Offline
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Registered: 04/21/03
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Loc: Belleville, Ontario, Canada
Roland VK 8 - internal sim
Vent
Vent 2

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#2845856 - 03/30/17 04:50 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: lightbg]
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Wow! I gigged with one of these for years! It was the only amp that could take my highly modded Rhodes and not blow up! I also used a Yamaha YC-25 and a Clavinet. This amp rig handled it all and just kept working. Three hundred real watts! Heavy but worth the lug. The Leslie sim was amazing for its time.

Ken

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#2845857 - 03/30/17 04:51 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: kenheeter]
kenheeter Offline
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The above post refers to the Traynor ( Yorkville ) RVS amp system.

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#2894097 - 12/05/17 11:58 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: garnermike]
To B3 Offline
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I never seen that Nux Roctary in person, but only found guitar demos... Have you tried it yet? How it goes?

Originally Posted By: garnermike
Like member John Tweed on this thread, I play an SK1 (since 2011), but have disliked its internal sim. Again like John, I find its slowest FAST sim speed to be still too fast, and Hammond does not allow one to slow it down below the "375" setting. Wish Hammond would put out an update to do so.

I have tried the Vent but didn't like it either (too chattery for me). Have been using the Strymon LEX rotary pedal with the SK1 for 5 years, and like it well enough.

On some tunes, I'll use the internal SK1 sim with the SLOW speed turned all the way up to max (318) as my FAST rotary speed. I do this on tunes in which I need to use a layered voice, and don't want the SK1's EXTRAVoice (harpsichord) top layer to be rotaried by the external LEX pedal. BTW, that 318 SLOW rotary speed measure is very close to the FAST rotary speed measure I wish Hammond would have allowed internally on the SK1.

I am toying with trying a new rotary sim pedal called the NUX Roctary (see http://www.nuxefx.com/show-7-209-1.html)

If any of you know about it, please let us know? Thx
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#2894107 - 12/05/17 12:29 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: To B3]
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Well at 1st I spun around and the speaker was stationary but that didn't seem to work well for me .... rimshot


Korg G4
H & K Rotosphere
Dynachord CLS-122
Motion Sound ProT


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#2894125 - 12/05/17 02:13 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: sagetunes]
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Loc: Rhode Island
Originally Posted By: sagetunes
Ensoniq KS 32 onboard---it took me months to realize that key pressure was the speed regulator---I knew nothing at the time including not knowing what a Leslie was initially.

DX7 onboard---terrible

Voce Micro B onboard---terrible

Alesis QS6 onboard----terrible

Roland VK7 onboard---huge improvement, thought it was great

Motion Sound Pro 3 with keyboard amp---HUGE improvement, thought it was great, still do, especially with bass amp. GREAT piece.

Nord Electro 2 onboard---thought it was great, now don’t

Nord Electro 3 onboard---thought it was great, now pretty good

Hammond SK1 onboard---Thought it was great, still do

Lester K---because it was so inexpensive, thought I’d try it against onboard SK1. It was really good, but not any better than SK1, different, but not better to my ear. Returned it.

Nord Electro 4 onboard---my fave so far, but I would concede that the SK1 is in the same league, just a matter of taste at this level.

Caveat---I’ve never tried the Vent….yet.

Also, I have a solid state 900 and 760….I’m not sure I would pick either one over a Motion Sound pro 3 and good bass combo.

I have a 122---enough said.
I’m responding to myself here---see “Caveat---I’ve never tried the Vent….yet.”

Now I have tried the Vent---the original that I bought off of a forumite. And now I won’t leave home without it. Sounds tremendous with my Nord NE4.

Also, recently I A/B’d a Leslie 900 vs. Original Motion Sound pro-3 with a Univox bass combo, using a Korg CX3 v2 through a Line 6 POD for OD for both. The Motion Sound/Univox is right there, not quite, but surprisingly great, more reliable.
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#2894141 - 12/05/17 02:55 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: sagetunes]
sosho Offline
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Registered: 05/02/08
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Loc: germany
Korg CX3 I , later with dynacord cls22
micro b with a "Tubeman" , solton and echolette clones
Motion Sound R-147
GSI Gemini

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#2894217 - 12/06/17 02:32 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: sosho]
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Chronologically:
Electro Hamonix Flanger
Multi Vox Little David (I often used this with the above flanger)
Motion Sound Pro 3
Motion Sound R3 147
Ventilator (still have)
Melda Productions MVintage Rotary
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#2894224 - 12/06/17 05:24 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: mcgoo]
Kelly Gibson Offline
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Registered: 07/26/10
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Loc: Asheville
MXR Phase 90/ Hammond M3
Mutron phase shifter
Fender Vibratone
Leslie 145
Leslie 21h
Nord Electro 2
Motion Sound Pro 145
Nord Stage 2
Nord Electro 5

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#2894225 - 12/06/17 05:26 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Moonglow]
Al Coda Offline
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Loc: out in the sticks
In the beginning (70s) was experimentation w/ phasers and flangers,- Ibanez, MXR, Schulte, EH and Musitronics,- later TC as well ...
My 1st real sim was Dynacord CLS-22 ... then,-

Dynacord CLS-222
Dynacord DLS-232 hardware upgraded to DLS-300

I added a (slightly custom modified) Chandler Tubedriver rackmount unit and a Rocktron 300A compressor/limiter/HushII already when I used the CLS-222.

After that I used only what´s built in into the keyboard instruments which started w/ KURZ PC361 and KB3 which I tweaked heavily.

Meanwhile I refuse the schlep and setup of external FX.

A.C.

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#2894226 - 12/06/17 05:36 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Al Coda]
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Registered: 05/22/07
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Loc: Charlotte, NC
Roland VR-760 with Motion Sound Pro-3T and 200S + SL
Hammond XK-1 onboard and with Motion Sound set above
Nord Stage Compact onboard (aka "Classic")
Nord Stage 2
Nord Electro 5D
Viscount Legend Live


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#2894227 - 12/06/17 06:01 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Loc: North Carolina
I've owned a few Leslies and a Motion Sound Pro3T/Low-Pro combo over the years, but my history with sims (as much of it as I can remember) is:

Fender Contempo organ through a Small Stone phaser
Yamaha YC-20 through that same phaser
Roland D-50 through a Rolls Rotorhorn RP147
Hammond XM-1 internal sim
Roland VK-7, VK-8, VR-760, and VR-700 internal sims
Korg CX-3 and BX-3 internal sims
Nord Electro 2 internal sim (hated those drawbuttons!)
Roland VR-700 through a GSi Burn pedal
Hammond XK-3 and XK-3C through an original vent -- never used the Hammond internal sims and still have the XK-3C and Vent
Nord Electro 4D internal sim
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#2894231 - 12/06/17 06:23 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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NuBiPlus Spinner
NI B4
VB3
Logic Vintage Organ
PSP L'otary
Melda Rotary
B-5 Rotary

B-5 is my current rotary Sim, PSP and Melda are good but not sufficiently better than the B-5 Rotary to warrant running a second plugin.

The Logic and B-5 sim interact really well swith the the swell pedal in the transition between clean and overdrive.
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#2894232 - 12/06/17 06:35 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Markay]
teashea Offline
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Registered: 06/24/17
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Mojo
Legend
Legend Live
C2D
XK5
Electro 5D
Stage 3
Dexibell Classico
Vent II
Numa Organ 2

(Leslie 3300 for comparison)

Each has its own personality. None are exactly alike. Stereo and the sound system make big differences.

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#2894238 - 12/06/17 07:07 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: teashea]
JimboKeys Offline
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Registered: 12/25/11
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Loc: Raleigh NC
Started in 1972 with a Leslie 21H.
1979 Got tired of hauling the Leslie (actually my bandmates did), replaced with MXR Phase 90
1986 Internal FX on DW8000 (quite usable even if it didn't really sound like a Leslie)
1991 ART SGX-II rackmount multi-FX
1995 Tried Digitech RPM1 - too noisy
1996 Motion Sound Pro-3
1998 Blew up Pro-3, replaced with Motion Sound Pro-3T which never sounded as good
2005 Pro-3T got trashed in a flooded basement, used various rompler internal sims for a while (yuck)
2014 GSi Burn that i'm currently using

- Jimbo
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#2894274 - 12/06/17 10:01 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: JimboKeys]
raffkey Offline
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Registered: 06/23/13
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History order:
leslie 145
VK-8 briefly
Motion Sound Pro 3
Ventilator
internal leslie(s)in Kurzweil PC

in order of favorite for sound:
145
Vent
Kurz

in order of favorite for weekend gigging:
Vent
Kurz
145

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#2894314 - 12/06/17 01:04 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: raffkey]
ballatman Offline
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Registered: 02/03/11
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Loc: South Lanarkshire, Scotland
My early rotary history was with a Selmer Leslie speaker driven by a 100 watt amp top. I used this for quite a few years with different organs:-Yamaha B20BR, Haven Traveller,Haven 61 and Hammond B200.
Followed by:-
CX3(Mk1)-internal sim.
L102+Korg G4.
HS XB2-internal sim.
NI B4(1).
NI B4(2).
K2661 KB3-internal sim.
PC361 KB3-internal sim.
Numa organ (Mk1)-internal sim.
HX3 module-internal sim.

Presently using Uhl Instruments X3-internal sim, (sometimes with GSI Burn),
OR
A800pro+GSI Gemini module-internal sim.

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#2894382 - 12/06/17 08:45 PM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: ballatman]
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I've played through maybe a half-dozen internal sims, including decent ones on my Nords. Tried some pedals back in the day, total bust.

Tried a Motion Sound several years ago, not for me. Although I've seen dudes rock it on stage. Just too heavy and limited for me. PM me if you want one for short money.

Had the original Vent when it first came out. Mistakenly sold it. Got better amplification. Missed it. Had to get the Vent II. It's a thing, right? Dayummm.

Total Leslie joy. People notice. Rich creamy sound. The drummer describes it as "delicious" through a pair of high-end stereo speakers. He hears me through his IEMs, and busts out in a smile every time I dig in. Just enough dirt to make it tasty and real. Can't do the Jon Lord stuff.

Only problem? It's not patch programmable as are the sims on my new Nord Stage 3 Compact. The convenience of dialing in your leslie preferences (including distortion) on a per-patch level is not to be underestimated.

And that's turning out to be a big deal, it seems.

First world problems. I'll figure it out. I always do.
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#2894453 - 12/07/17 06:33 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: cphollis]
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Registered: 10/12/08
Posts: 146
Loc: Long Island, NY
NOrd Electro 2
Nord Stage Classic
Mvintage Rotary/L'Otary (depending on patch)
Electro 5
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#2894476 - 12/07/17 08:03 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: RoadHousePiano]
Iconoclast Offline
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Registered: 09/12/11
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Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
Yamaha S80 and S90 ... bleh

Hammond XK3c through Motion Sound KBR3D: what I'm currently using.

Kurz Forte: I've added this to my rig and the Leslie stuff is a little too overstated for me. I've test routed the KB3 through my MotionSound amp and it sounded pretty good, but I've never gigged with it that way.

Nord Stage 3: Best of all the "simulators" I've tried but I still prefer the Motion Sound for the leslie.

I haven't tried a vent yet and I think I really need to.
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#2894550 - 12/07/17 10:54 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Iconoclast]
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Registered: 08/21/13
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Loc: NJ
Before I got two Leslie 147's in the early 70's I found if you set the Hammond M3 Vibrato/Chorus rocker switch in a secret in-between setting it did a pretty good fast Leslie effect. I used real Leslies on stage up until the early 80's though I did switch to a Vox Super Continental organ. In the late 70's I built a PAIA Synthespin MKII which was supposed to simulate a Leslie. It had a very choppy sound and really wasn't usable. After reading in Keyboard Mag that Tony Banks was using a Roland chorus on his Hammond I got a Boss CE-3 chorus pedal and used that on my Vox organ which I really liked though it was only good for a slow Leslie effect.







Edited by Shamanzarek (12/07/17 10:55 AM)
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#2894809 - 12/09/17 08:02 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: Iconoclast]
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Registered: 06/24/17
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I agree that the Nord Stage 3 is an excellent sim

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#2894813 - 12/09/17 08:52 AM Re: Your Leslie simulator history [Re: teashea]
AWkeys Offline
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Registered: 05/06/11
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Started with the mod wheel on my DX-27, then paired it with a Boss Chorus pedal. Then bought a used Korg Symphony module and MIDIed it to the DX-27. At that point, the modulated DX with the straight "Jazz Organ" preset on the Korg Symphony mixed together made a really nice chorus 3 as opposed to fast Leslie.

Then got the Roland JV-80 and tried my damndest to program a usable Leslie effect to manually change speeds with the left-hand slider.

Then bought a Boss SE-70 with a very usable (at the time, early 90s) Leslie effect that I also programmed the heck out of and used for years. This with the JV-80 and some effect pedals was my gig-rig for a long time.

Then I bought a Leslie 145 and combo preamp, put Ernie Ball handles on either side and big casters on the bottom. Played my JV-80 through it, and it sounded great!

Somewhere around '99, I bought a Voce V5 and Motion Sound Pro-3T. That was a KILLER setup for the time, but I never liked the Pro-3T's ramp times (even with the internal adjustments) and had to replace the O-ring on it a couple times as well. The main issue with the MS stuff is that while it's moving air, the radius of the horn's travel is smaller than that of a real Leslie, so the sound just doesn't "travel" as far.

Then I bought the Nord Electro 2 and was very happy with the internal Leslie.

Then the Nord Stage.

Then the Ventilator I which I still have and use.

Nord Stage 2 w/ Ventilator I.

Now I have the Ventilator II, kept the I and even have an EH Lester G pedal (wanted control over ramp time for which there is no knob on the Lester K pedal).

Oh, and I own two 145s with combo preamps that haven't been fired up in 5 years. I'm a bit of a hoarder...

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