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#2843233 - 03/20/17 06:15 PM MS2000R!
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I just picked up an MS2000R. WOW! Got it for $50 with manual.
Incredible sounds. So fat and so much character. Puts my Kronos to shame.


Edited by aronnelson (03/20/17 06:16 PM)
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#2843237 - 03/20/17 06:55 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Oh yeah, the analog modeling racks....

There was a time I was hot for these... great price!
Enjoy!

You also like these others?
ANx
Nord Lead
JP-8000
SH-201
I love the concept of the V-Synth XT

I wonder side by side how they compare with newer fair in the same VA engine running on DSP - boutiques, system-8, sledge, king Korg, etc.

I suppose the newer chips can run the models at higher sample rate perhaps with more polyphony maybe. Although not in every case. There still seems to be s polyphony game afoot - depending what the cost of faster/better DSP is.
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#2843244 - 03/20/17 07:08 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I'm trying to figure out why I like this one so much. I think it's because it's so easy to get "obviously synthy" sounds out of it. The modulation and delay is really easy to use and sounds great. The wavetables make it easy to get really spacey sounds out of it.
I have the JP-8000 and I love it, but the MS2000 screams weird and cool exotic sounds with simple tweaks. I haven't gotten to the motion sequencer - that will be cool.

I had the original Nord lead for a while and I really like everything about it except the keyboard display and bender. But the tone was good.

I like my Kronos, but even though they might be the same "engine" something about this is easier to program for me - perhaps it's just dedicated knobs and those fixed (but great) fx.
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#2843251 - 03/20/17 07:41 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Completely get that... if you like to program, user interface is important. Even in software, it's one of the major differentiating things between them. And the modulation matrix - what can be routed to what and how you can keep track of it all. I got my head around NI's Massive a while back. You could spend months and months dreaming up a way to get Massive working with knobs on a faceplate the size of the MS2000R and it's limited character screen!
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#2843258 - 03/20/17 08:00 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
You could spend months and months dreaming up a way to get Massive working with knobs on a faceplate the size of the MS2000R


Uli is working on that. thu
BTW, nice pick up, Aron.
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#2843264 - 03/20/17 08:08 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: davedoerfler]
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I was working with the real time motion control and there might be a bug or mistake in the manual. The tempo knob doesn't control the rate of step recording for me. Interesting.
Weird how I ended up with two VA keyboards that have motion control and I still don't know how to use the feature correctly even though I've been talking up this feature for years.
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#2843297 - 03/20/17 10:14 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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My mistake. It was syncing to MIDI clock.
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#2843304 - 03/20/17 10:30 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Originally Posted By: aronnelson
. Puts my Kronos to shame.


really??
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#2843321 - 03/21/17 12:11 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: Ensenada Guide]
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Well, just some of the VA part. Very easy to program and it sounds amazingly good - with the effects. I just got carried away with my $50 synth! But yes, I am going to connect it to the PX-5S. Will be a great combo!
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#2843511 - 03/21/17 03:54 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I love the concept of the V-Synth XT

Love mine to bits. One of my go-to instruments, to be sure. twothumbs

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#2843523 - 03/21/17 04:58 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I love the concept of the V-Synth XT

Love mine to bits. One of my go-to instruments, to be sure. twothumbs

dB


Ooo, that's another one in your stable that's on my list!
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#2843572 - 03/22/17 02:04 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The vocoder on the MS2K series is one of the best -- so easy to get musical results, and a much broader coverage of vocoding than anything else I can think of.

I didn't like the one in the RADIAS as much, even though it had more bands and was more hi-fi, as it seems more difficult to control and to get warm results.

The "B" version was either improved in the firmware or just in the preset department; I had both but not at the same time. Still quite a few tracks that I recorded with the MS2K and they ended up being keepers after all these years.

The KLC Mono/Poly comes pretty close to the MS2K sound and also to its engine architecture, but is missing the vocoder IIRC. I don't care for the MS20 vocoder. The Mono/Poly is phenomenal, and I'd buy a hardware version if they ever re-released it in that form.
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#2843574 - 03/22/17 02:22 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I've been getting so many great sounds out of the MS2000. The only "problem" I have with it is that there is latency when playing fast. It takes a while to trigger notes over MIDI so I don't think you can play as fast as some other keyboards like my Kronos. Will need to verify this with a totally initialized program with envelopes set correctly.

In any case, this is one of the most fun VA I have ever used. For the most part - very simple and intuitive to use. So many "synthy" sounds. I can't wait to use it live. It's almost like what I wish my PolySix was a long time ago. The arpeggiator is great and the 4 assignable virtual patches are cool. I like mostly everything on this thing.
I barely remember my Mono/Poly. I just remember wishing it had programmable memory.
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#2843577 - 03/22/17 04:04 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Originally Posted By: aronnelson

I like my Kronos, but even though they might be the same "engine" something about this is easier to program for me - perhaps it's just dedicated knobs and those fixed (but great) fx.


Absolutely not the same engine. Completely different teams and code. But I agree - the immediacy of knobs really helps. And the Motion Sequencing is very cool. That was a fun synth to "birth". I still have a rack as well. Haven't powered it up in a while now. You've got me thinking it's time...

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#2843667 - 03/22/17 11:24 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: jerrythek]
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Completely different teams and code


OK! The interesting thing is I have read the MS2000 was supposed to be like an MS20, but to me it doesn't sound anything like the MS20 in the Kronos.

I just wish the MS2000 had more polyphony because it's so much fun to play!
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#2843694 - 03/22/17 01:52 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Completely different teams and code


OK! The interesting thing is I have read the MS2000 was supposed to be like an MS20, but to me it doesn't sound anything like the MS20 in the Kronos.


That's false news!!

smirk

Nope, never during the development were we chasing the MS-20. That should be obvious based on the sound of the filter, right? It was just designed as a general purpose VA...we then added to it/improved it to make the Radius.

I was constantly talking to the team about improved filters, to add more grit and drive, and to copy different filter topologies/character. They eventually did that with the King Korg, which was developed after I left. I never would have approved that name!! LOL

If you want more voices you can chain two units together... I'm pretty sure it has odd/even note overflow capabilities...

Cheers!

Jerry

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#2843720 - 03/22/17 03:06 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: jerrythek]
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Originally Posted By: jerrythek
never during the development were we chasing the MS-20.... It was just designed as a general purpose VA...we then added to it/improved it to make the Radius.

Interesting that the MS2000 was the foundation for the Radias, because as I recall, many people felt that the MS2000 (and MicroKorg) sounded more "analog" than the Radias (MicroKorg XL/R3) did, and felt that you could not really get the sounds of the former out of the latter.

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
I was constantly talking to the team about improved filters, to add more grit and drive, and to copy different filter topologies/character. They eventually did that with the King Korg, which was developed after I left. I never would have approved that name!! LOL

KK is a really nice sounding synth. Interface is awkward, though.
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#2843728 - 03/22/17 03:21 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Interesting that the MS2000 was the foundation for the Radias, because as I recall, many people felt that the MS2000 (and MicroKorg) sounded more "analog" than the Radias (MicroKorg XL/R3) did, and felt that you could not really get the sounds of the former out of the latter.


Well, I have a Radias and while I don't know how it compares to the MS2000 (or MicroKorg}, it's a powerful synth and can sound VERY analog.

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#2843737 - 03/22/17 03:31 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: jerrythek]
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It was just designed as a general purpose VA


Thanks for the info. I love this synthesizer. At this point, I like it better than my JP-8000 which is saying a lot. I got a ridiculous lead sound using the ring mod setting. Then I applied a motion sequence and things are crazy.
I can't believe it didn't get more coverage when it came out.
I'm pairing it with my PX-5S - it deserves a lighter key action but in any case it's awesome!

I can't wait to try it out on the next "jazz" gig.


Edited by aronnelson (03/22/17 03:32 PM)
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#2843760 - 03/22/17 04:31 PM Re: MS2000R! [Re: aronnelson]
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Nice! I borrowed a MicroKorg and was really impressed with the sounds. Have an R3 and really like it. MS2000 seems like the real knobby prize. $50??!

The keyboard versions pop up often enough on CL. Usually for $400-$500. One of these days...
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#2844413 - 03/25/17 12:21 AM Re: MS2000R! [Re: kelp]
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I see that I'm not the only person who sold their Roland JP-8000 after buying the Korn MS2000. :-)

There were some fatal flaws with the JP-8000 from the point of view of patch saving, but I forget what they were this many years later.

It was a fun interface though. I've always liked how Roland has both knobs and sliders, and wish DSI wasn't exclusively knob-oriented.
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