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#2843152 - 03/20/17 02:37 PM What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song?
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Besides leave the stage, get a beer and a girl. What do you play if your band is doing a song that doesn't have keys in the original?

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#2843154 - 03/20/17 02:39 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: kwyn]
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Originally Posted By: kwyn
Besides leave the stage, get a beer and a girl. What do you play if your band is doing a song that doesn't have keys in the original?


Totally depends on the specific tune.
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#2843155 - 03/20/17 02:41 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: kwyn]
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Maybe just play some faint pad sounds in the background.

That seems to work for me sometimes.
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#2843157 - 03/20/17 02:44 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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I play guitar wave

Seriously, I'm not very good on guitar, but I'm good enough to play rhythm during solos. Most rock songs are pretty simple enough that chunking through a few chords sounds better and more true to the original than trying to make up some keyboard part.

That said, there are some songs that lend themselves to keys. AC/DC, I'll be playing guitar. Georgia Satellites, I'll be playing piano, and even do a piano solo...but it's just basic blues.
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#2843158 - 03/20/17 02:46 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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Yes it depends on the song, Sometimes I add wurli piano, especially if the original has two guitars and we're doing it with one guitarist. Wurli functions pretty well to take up the sonic duty of a rhythm guitar, IMO. So especially under a guitar lead, where there's rhythm guitar on the original, vamping on the wurli seems to fill it out nicely.
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#2843159 - 03/20/17 02:46 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: CEB]
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Depends on the song. Sometimes just some discrete Piano chords to thicken out the texture and keep the groove can be effective.

Or, there might be some secondary guitar lines that could sound interesting on a different patch.

Or, if you really want to wind up your guitarist - play their lead line -
let's face it, every time a band plays Superstition, 9 times out of 10 the guitarist decides to play the Clav riff anyway! :-)
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#2843161 - 03/20/17 02:50 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: CEB]
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Haha, it does depend. Unless there is space and the tune might be helped by a little something.

Example - acoustic guitar or clean pick and/or strum. A darker patch, maybe first 3 drawbars of an organ at less volume playing block chords, no strum "underneath" or "behind" the guitar would add something. Or even a bass line, if no bass part there. If no "lead" or lead licks coming from the guitar, maybe a brighter, thinner patch playing between the vocal line or filling in where not much is going on.

Some folks like to play it like the record. But remember, any song can be arranged in any way for any band whether 2 piece, or 9 piece or orchestra. It's a matter of taste and skill to be a good arranger. And there are many examples in history where a "cover" or another version, alternate arrangement, became more popular than the original. Sometimes rightly so. And sometimes it's refreshing to hear skillful musicians deliver their take on a popular tune. And MTV's unplugged on occasion also successfully highlighted - sometimes it's nice to hear a tune stripped down to its skeleton.

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#2843162 - 03/20/17 02:51 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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Keyboard Mag\EM had 5 suggestions HERE last week. I used the 11th and 13th suggestion and sustaining the note during a guitar driven song that went on for 4eva at the weekend.
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#2843163 - 03/20/17 02:53 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Dave Keys]
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#2843168 - 03/20/17 03:00 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: timwat]
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Not a lot of seconding for organ, so I will.
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#2843169 - 03/20/17 03:01 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: timwat]
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Tambourine!

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And if you're gonna be playing a guitar part on keys, for the love of everything that's holy, learn the exact voicings!
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#2843173 - 03/20/17 03:09 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Markay]
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I'm done playing second fiddle behind guitars. I have done that for too many years - no more.

I play guitar too. But the guitar player dominated the song selection so much that I played guitar 80% of the time and most people didn't even know I was a keyboard player. I was not happy with that image, I was vocal about my frustrations, nothing improved for two years so I left the band.

My next music project will be my own band, which may not include a guitar player. I've seen way too many club bands playing guitar songs. There are a lot of good keyboard songs that are not getting played because guitar players don't have any fun playing them on guitar. Well they've had their fun.

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#2843175 - 03/20/17 03:14 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: The Real MC]
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Seriously, it can be fun to wander down the front of the stage and just do some backing vocals.

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#2843176 - 03/20/17 03:14 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: nickd]
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#2843178 - 03/20/17 03:16 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
Tambourine!

...with one hand, piano bass (or reasonable facsimile) doubling guitars with the other hand.

Play one of the guitar parts on keyboard even if you know how to play Actual Guitar - it's actually kinda fun. I do this with the acoustic guitar part on Long Train Running, and the rhythm guitar on Long Cool Woman.

Picking up a guitar is still my favorite option. rawk

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#2843182 - 03/20/17 03:24 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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I walk off stage and talk to the audience.
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#2843187 - 03/20/17 03:33 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: The Real MC]
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I just don't play anything. I wish the guitar players would do the same with the material that has no guitars in it.
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#2843189 - 03/20/17 03:39 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: U.Honey]
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What do you play if your band is doing a song that doesn't have keys in the original?


Those are the best tunes: I write my own part and play the hell out of it!

Listen to Jon Lord.

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#2843190 - 03/20/17 03:40 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
I do this with the acoustic guitar part on Long Train Running,


I do that also and fill out the choruses with B3.

I put the guitar down and got back onto B3 during the guitar fest as there is only so much I can do playing 2nd guitar and after a while I figure I can make an extended jam more interesting on keys once the groove is laid down.

Try to give the song a Santana or Black Crowes feel.
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#2843191 - 03/20/17 03:45 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Markay]
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#2843197 - 03/20/17 04:12 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: zephonic]
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#2843198 - 03/20/17 04:13 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: U.Honey]
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Originally Posted By: U.Honey
I just don't play anything. I wish the guitar players would do the same with the material that has no guitars in it.
like


Edited by David Loving (03/20/17 04:14 PM)
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#2843203 - 03/20/17 04:32 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: kwyn]
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Originally Posted By: kwyn
Besides leave the stage, get a beer and a girl.

in addition to what you already posted I used to pee. w00t
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#2843205 - 03/20/17 04:35 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: kwyn
Besides leave the stage, get a beer and a girl.

in addition to what you already posted I used to pee. w00t


I suppose the magic in that four course meal is all in the order of sequence.
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#2843206 - 03/20/17 04:38 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: timwat]
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Join a different band.
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#2843208 - 03/20/17 04:39 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
Tambourine More cowbell!


Fixed.
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#2843209 - 03/20/17 04:42 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: kwyn
Besides leave the stage, get a beer and a girl.

in addition to what you already posted I used to pee. w00t


I suppose the magic in that four course meal is all in the order of sequence.



of course. Pee immediately after leaving the stage. wink
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#2843214 - 03/20/17 04:50 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: davedoerfler]
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#2843219 - 03/20/17 05:07 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: Joe BrokeIt]
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I just picked up some shaker eggs and have had a lot of fun throwing some percussion into the mix. Otherwise, I 2nd (3rd?) the suggestions for wurly and organ depending on the tune. Also, some distorted clav can work great.

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#2843221 - 03/20/17 05:15 PM Re: What does a keyboard player do during an all guitar song? [Re: NosPup]
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