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#2842677 - 03/18/17 03:28 PM RIP CHUCK BERRY
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Chuck Berry has died at the age of 90. A true Rock and Roll legend of our time. It's a sad day in the news and a sad day for all the guitar players out there that love playing his music. He taught us all how it's done IMHO! I will miss having him around and will always enjoy playing and singing Johnny B. Goode! RIP Mr. Berry... cool

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#2842681 - 03/18/17 03:45 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Oh No! D>>>n, this is terrible.

Rest in Peace to one of the pioneers of Rock and Roll.

Maybeline, why ccant yuo be true!

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#2842683 - 03/18/17 03:51 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: DocPate]
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This is big. RIP Chuck.
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#2842690 - 03/18/17 04:35 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: bbqbob]
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My MAIN MAN! Damn!

Came back from the store and walked in just as the local news announced it. And why NOT? Been a cold, rainy and dismal day already. LAST thing I needed today, or any OTHER day.

I'd confidently say that in the second half of the 20th century, he, with JIMI close on is heels, oh, hell....let's say the BOTH of them...probably spurred more guys to pick up a guitar and want to learn to play than any OTHER rock'n'roll artist. Was a time if you bragged you could play "Johnny B. Goode" and PROVE it, you were IN!

Yeah, you can bet all remaining weekend I'll be splitting my system's speaker cones and cracking the windows playing all the discs in my box set. On 11!
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#2842693 - 03/18/17 04:55 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Another of my childhood idols is gone. Thanks Chuck, for the licks, for the music, and for your life. RIP.
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#2842699 - 03/18/17 05:18 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Very sad news indeed.
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#2842701 - 03/18/17 05:22 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Fred_C]
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I had JUST found out, myself.

Hats-off.
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#2842725 - 03/18/17 06:50 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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If you tried to give "Rock n Roll" another name, you might call it "Chuck Berry". -John Lennon

Thank you Chuck.

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#2842738 - 03/18/17 07:28 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: antimatter]
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RIP Chuck Berry, 90 years old, man he had a great run. I was jitterbugging to his tunes on the Jersey Shore in the 50's as they were released. A rock and roll legend.

RIP Chuck, I put many a quarter in the jukebox listening to your stuff at Gus's Luncheonette on the bay at 25th and Central Ave Ship Bottom N.J. during the summer months of each year.
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#2842779 - 03/18/17 10:21 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: desertbluesman]
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#2842883 - 03/19/17 01:46 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Ladies & Gentlemen, The National Anthem of R & R





Maybellene / 1st orig rec 1955 / TV bcast 1958



Still rockin' like a Master 30+ yrs later



Toronto Rock & Roll Festival 1969
full show




Beatles 1st live gig in USA/ Washington DC Coliseum 1964
show opener



John Lennon's teenage dream realized
[sorry 'bout the OhNo bit]



One King To Another
Big E + James Burton




Voodoo Child's slight return



Why & how his lyrics spoke for young Americans
& a dancin' fool



KR does the props



& One good turn deserves another



The Last Word

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#2842971 - 03/20/17 01:51 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I don`t even know what to say-a momumental loss for music everywhere.
It`s not even just about guitar-people play Johnny B. Goode on anything with strings.
End of an era brothers and sisters, simple as that.
RIP Chuck, you were freakin amazing.
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#2842990 - 03/20/17 05:14 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: skipclone 1]
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AMEN!
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#2842992 - 03/20/17 05:36 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Well said, Skip. Great selections, half'.
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#2843032 - 03/20/17 08:09 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Sad day for all music lovers. RIP Chuck.

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#2843052 - 03/20/17 08:51 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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CB interviewed by a local reporter . Sirprisingly interesting.



CB & RR




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Sing it, Chuck

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#2843067 - 03/20/17 09:35 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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The true King of Rock-&-Roll. Love and respect . . .
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#2843112 - 03/20/17 12:03 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Winston Psmith]
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I saw on Facebook, posted by the George Harrison estate, that the very first song played by the Beatles on their very first US gig was "Roll Over Beethoven".

There were a lot of people who truly were the fathers of rock & roll, (it took a village) but Chuck insured that rock & roll would be an electric guitar driven force. RIP.
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#2843180 - 03/20/17 03:24 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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#2844324 - 03/24/17 01:50 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
I saw on Facebook, posted by the George Harrison estate, that the very first song played by the Beatles on their very first US gig was "Roll Over Beethoven".

There were a lot of people who truly were the fathers of rock & roll, (it took a village) but Chuck insured that rock & roll would be an electric guitar driven force. RIP.


See my earlier post abt The Beatles. They were always champs for promoting their predecessors.

Back w/ more info but CB IS ABT TO GIVE US HIS BEST REC IN OVER A DECADE.

Otherwise ....
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#2844326 - 03/24/17 01:55 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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I hope that means you're referring to something he recorded before he died, and not being like the guy a buddy of mine knew who one night back in the '70's went on in a "Columbian fog" about some album that Jimi Hendrix recorded AFTER he died! freak
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#2844373 - 03/24/17 05:24 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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I have heard there is a new record coming out that he recorded just before his 90th birthday (and therefor, he recorded it before he died)... cool


Edited by Larryz (03/24/17 05:28 PM)
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#2844423 - 03/25/17 04:40 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I'll sure be keeping an eye(and ear) out for THAT one, for certain.

But re: my buddy's friend: Try as we did, we still couldn't convince him that he was probably thinking of one of those LPs that were pressed from tapes he made BEFORE he died and released AFTER. I had one(recieved as a gift) called "Midnight Lightning". Wasn't all that great, but also wasn't all that bad.

But the guy was CONVINCED that the LP he was talking about WAS recorded AFTER he died! freak facepalm
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#2844438 - 03/25/17 07:46 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
But re: my buddy's friend: Try as we did, we still couldn't convince him that he was probably thinking of one of those LPs that were pressed from tapes he made BEFORE he died and released AFTER. I had one(recieved as a gift) called "Midnight Lightning". Wasn't all that great, but also wasn't all that bad.
But the guy was CONVINCED that the LP he was talking about WAS recorded AFTER he died! freak facepalm
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Hendrix left a lot of tapes in various stages of completion. His producer, & later his estate, have compiled & in some cases brought in musicians to finish these songs. That's where the post mortem albums have come from. So, technically one could say that they were partially recorded after Jimi's passing, but it's a stretch.
And of course, the remaining Beatles finished a couple of John's demo tapes, which were released as Beatles tracks to accompany the Anthology series of out-takes, alternative tracks & unreleased material.
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#2844444 - 03/25/17 08:33 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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My kids bought me the Beatles Anthology which was interesting. There have been some other post mortem duets which have been
performed live like Elvis and Lisa Marie Presley, Nat King and Natalie Cole and Hank Sr. with Hank Williams Jr. that I have liked too... cool
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#2844452 - 03/25/17 09:10 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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#2844453 - 03/25/17 09:19 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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Thanks for the info D! I had heard one of the cuts Big Boys, in a news blurb...and knew it was Chuck at the intro LOL! cool


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#2844480 - 03/25/17 11:08 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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@Larry---

Was that the multi-disc Anthology CDs? Or the VIDEO Anthology? I have both, and both ARE fascinating.

SCOTT: Sure, you could "technically" say that. But HE didn't do any of the post mortem recording, and THAT'S what that goober actually believed!
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#2844485 - 03/25/17 11:22 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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In light of some viewing probs members may be having here are links to my earlier posts.
I couldn't get back in to edit them directly b/c of time limit

1st post

The National Anthem of R & R = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMK9-Ns-TY


Maybellene / 1st orig rec 1955 / TV bcast 1958 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBnL1Kk9-k

Still rockin' like a Master 30+ yrs later = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5madtiLf7DI

Toronto Rock & Roll Festival 1969 / full show = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U_hRhImaBU

Beatles 1st live gig in USA/ Washington DC Coliseum 1964 / show opener = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdG5aL2CGeo


John Lennon's teenage dream realized / [sorry 'bout the OhNo bit] = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULJZbNQRNgU

One King To Another / Big E + James Burton = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-Klg8ca10


Voodoo Child's slight return = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiUUyWwVdgY

Why & how his lyrics spoke for young Americans (& a dancin' fool) = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niLk0dWK-Us

KR does the props = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4u4FSTxd3s

& One good turn deserves another = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjjOzu5FHg


The Last Word = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-TDok8HRY

2nd post

CB interviewed by a local reporter . Surprisingly interesting. = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoUaWuksp88

CB & RR = vid 1 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXLuBCkeTJQ

& vid 2 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PXF5RzoAw

Tell it, EC = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dv_z_99rJg

Sing it, Chuck = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKmlMLFFhgI
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#2844489 - 03/25/17 11:36 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
@Larry---

Was that the multi-disc Anthology CDs? Or the VIDEO Anthology? I have both, and both ARE fascinating.

Whitefang


I wish it was on CD. My kids bought the two album tape cassette and I have to go out to my truck to play it,
as it's the only cassette player I still have LOL! cool


Edited by Larryz (03/25/17 11:37 AM)
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#2844633 - 03/26/17 05:52 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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That's quite a collection up there d. And also because of time limits, I'll have to try and find a WEEK to set aside to take 'em all in. wink

LARRY---one of the reasons( another being that it still RUNS like new) I'm holding on to my '05 Equinox is that it has a CD player, and newer vehicles don't include them in their radio/players. And as I've accumulated a TON of CDs(both bought and "burned") that I rely on in case there's nothing on the radio (which is often) I can somewhat relate to and understand your cassette quandary. eek
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#2844672 - 03/26/17 10:29 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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@ Fang, By the time we buy into the new technology going from vinyl to tape(s) to discs to put in our autos, they come up with something different and you have to hold on to that Equinox LOL! I'm beginning to think it would be cheaper to just pay $10 bucks a month for Sirus. I could find an old cassette player and play some old tapes but I really don't have any others besides the Beatles to play as I didn't fall prey in a big way to the cassettes! It would be cheaper just to buy it on CD for at home playing...I'm into DVD's now so I will probably never bother with conversion or I could just learn more about downloading/streaming some day LOL! cool


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#2844824 - 03/27/17 04:56 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Know what ya mean. just about ALL of the cassettes I used to play in my car(pre-CD) were tapes of LPs I copied on my old TEAC home untit, and compilations made on it too.

My wife's '97 Cutlass had a cassette/CD combo, but that car's long gone, and my Equinox just has a CD player/radio. And as I said, most of THOSE CDs are compilatios I burned, or my daughter burned for me.

That Beatle Anthology is no doubt on DVD. I bought it back BEFORE the advent of DVD, so still have it on VHS. I AM intending to soon though, get the DVDs. On VHS it came in 8 two hour tapes. I'm thinking it's on fewer discs. Anyway....

Once a year I set aside a week to watch a tape a day. wink

NEVER get tired of it. smile (And besides...that would make it an EIGHT DAY WEEK! grin )
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#2844877 - 03/27/17 08:08 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Thanks for that info Fang, I'm putting the Anthology on my list of DVD's to look for, along with some Chuck Berry!

I still have a few old cassettes in my truck that I'm afraid to put in the player as they've been out there in the sun and dust since 2004 LOL! I haven't listened to them in so long I could care less if they get eaten up in the player like many a Cassette and 8 track and 4 track have done in decades past LOL! I used to yell at my son for taking my CD's out to his car. As they never played well when they came back due to our old country dirt roads that he loved to drive fast on...I too had a Teac and other recorders and made my own compilation tapes for my vehicles. The cassettes took up a lot less room than those 8 tracks (which I could convert on my Sony record/8track recorder from vinyl)...used to spend hours on making those tapes. You can bet that Chuck Berry made the list many many times... cool


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#2844946 - 03/27/17 11:53 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Back in the early '90's I bought a three disc "box" set of Chuck's work that covers from 1955 to 1973.

So I'VE got some catchin' up to do too. grin

8-TRACK? Man! Never had one in the car, just in a "home streo reciever/player" I got rid of over FORTY YEARS ago! And I just used it for the SOUND w/ a turntable connected to it. Never had any of the 8-track tapes. wink
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#2844960 - 03/27/17 12:41 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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8 tracks were pretty popular back in '71. I had one in my 69 Z28 that someone broke into and stole after I got out of the Army. They also took my 8 track tapes of Joe Cocker, James Taylor, Donovan and Santana which really pissed me off LOL! cool
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#2844997 - 03/27/17 03:19 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Good memories of my high school ride, which was a mid 60s Greenbrier (the van version of a Corvair) which I installed a Realistic 8 track machine in. Did a lot of listening to Jethro Tull, Zeppelin, Traffic & the few others I had tapes of. All very long gone.
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#2845003 - 03/27/17 03:43 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I remember back in '66 I had a 60 Ford and my buddies had 56, 57 and 58 Chevy's. We would load up our vinyl records and take them down to the tape conversion store on the corner when tape players came out for car stereos. They would make us 4 track compilations of our favorite songs for about 10cents a song. Then it went to 8 tracks. They had whole rooms full of recorders on the walls so they could handle a dozen or so guys at a time. I think the record companies may have shut the taping store pirates down or started charging them LOL! It was cool having your own favorite tunes to cruze to and doing away with all those commercials and the AM station fade outs... cool
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#2845130 - 03/28/17 05:32 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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How many of y'all remember those "under the dash" devices that you could play your 45s on? My step sister had one of those, and it fascinated me in the fact that somehow they were designed so that the record WOULDN'T "skip" whenever you hit a bump!

She ordered it from one of them JC WHITNEY catalogs. wink

The first cassette player I ever saw was one of those little personal recorder/players 'bout the size of a KLEENEX box. A buddy of mine worked in a place that dealt with HAM and CB radios, and they got a few in their store when they came out. This was in '68.
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#2845166 - 03/28/17 07:58 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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I remember a 12 volt 45 record player that sat on the hump and plugged into the cigarette lighter but it was only used when the car was sitting still. I don't remember the "under dash" one, but I don't doubt that it was out there. The 1st under dash thing that came out that I remember putting in my car, was a little reverb unit... cool
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#2845192 - 03/28/17 08:55 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
How many of y'all remember those "under the dash" devices that you could play your 45s on? My step sister had one of those, and it fascinated me in the fact that somehow they were designed so that the record WOULDN'T "skip" whenever you hit a bump!
She ordered it from one of them JC WHITNEY catalogs. wink
Whitefang


Wasn't that how Sol Marantz got his start, making those car 45 players, before deciding to get into the grown up hifi biz.
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#2845214 - 03/28/17 09:29 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Wow memories. I once visited the JC Whitney store in Chicago and bought some car parts and test gauges.

I did have a 69 Pontiac that had a special reverb unit housed in the truck that was hooked to the radio. Sometimes when I hit some rough roads it would rumble. Never heard about record players for a car.
For Larry man they got some sweet 8 tracks when they stole your stuff. My favorite 8 track was likely Machine Head or a Guess Who that I had in the mid 70's. Jim

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#2845246 - 03/28/17 10:52 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: jimmac]
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Memories -

Just AM radio in the car (if you were lucky)..and if you wanted to get "Lucky". Late night at the local Drive in Movie, watching "Blackboard Jungle" as we got exposed to that new stuff - Rock and Roll. grin

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#2845284 - 03/28/17 12:35 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: jimmac]
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Wow memories. I once visited the JC Whitney store in Chicago and bought some car parts and test gauges.

I did have a 69 Pontiac that had a special reverb unit housed in the truck that was hooked to the radio. Sometimes when I hit some rough roads it would rumble. Never heard about record players for a car.
For Larry man they got some sweet 8 tracks when they stole your stuff. My favorite 8 track was likely Machine Head or a Guess Who that I had in the mid 70's. Jim


+1 Jim, I remember every time I hit any kind of bump that reverb unit would rumble through the speakers LOL!

+1 on JC Whitney...back in the early 70's I had a 53 Willeys Jeep High Hood with a 307V8 and did a lot of business with them on mail order. Then I bought a '77 Chevy 4WD Stepside and did a whole lot more LOL! They were a great company while they lasted!

+1 Yeah, those were some good old days for 8track cruzen material! cool
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#2845411 - 03/29/17 05:34 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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shocked shocked

JIMMAC!

By the mid '70's, I thought EVERYBODY quit using 8-tracks! I put a Lear Jet AM/FM/CASSETTE player in my new '75 Omega!

With JENSEN 6"-ers in the doors and 6x9 BIG BRUTES in the package rack! Heh! Remember THOSE days? grin
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#2845475 - 03/29/17 08:58 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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By the mid '70's, I thought EVERYBODY quit using 8-tracks!


I had a home stereo 8 track, from Radio Shack. The tape player with a built in amp & some cheap speakers. That was my stereo in college. I think I left it behind, with my collection of tapes, when I moved out of a big house with many room mates to go live with my girlfriend, who had a very badass stereo.

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With JENSEN 6"-ers in the doors and 6x9 BIG BRUTES in the package rack! Heh! Remember THOSE days? grin
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I got some cheap speaker boxes with generic 8" speakers, & screwed them into the sidewalls in the back of my Greenbrier van, powered by the mighty Realistic 8 track.
The 2 big problems with 8 tracks: the tracks were so thin & the machining of the parts so loose that you often got audible crosstalk from other tracks, & then there were the random switches from track 1 to 2 to 3 then 4 when you got to the end of the tape, often in the middle of a song. Ultimately, it was an utter crap format, but cassette was still a few years in the future.
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#2845489 - 03/29/17 09:27 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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My biggest problem with 8 track is they would bind up inside normally that was the end of them although I did try to fix some usually did not work for long.

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#2845528 - 03/29/17 11:17 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: jimmac]
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grin

So, what you're all saying is you were....

"Boldly going where everyone else QUIT going YEARS earlier"? wink
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#2845596 - 03/29/17 04:59 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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grin
So, what you're all saying is you were....
"Boldly going where everyone else QUIT going YEARS earlier"? wink
Whitefang


Nah, even before I knew any better, in terms of having pro audio career, I knew the 8 track format was complete crap. When I got in, late 60's, the choice was between 4 track & 8 track. Cassette, which was vastly superior in every regard, didn't come along until a few years later.
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#2845657 - 03/30/17 03:50 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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And what's sad about THAT is the investment many people made in THEM, only to have the compact disc come along and botch things up. Already, many of us with huge VINYL collections were sticking it out through the cassette "revolution" since they still released vinyl recordings and sold turntables along side cassette "decks".

But when the CD came along, both cassette and vinyl shortly faded away along with the players and turntables. My daughter and her husband had a veritable WALL of cassettes( both self made and "store bought") that took them nearly FIVE YEARS during their spare time to convert to CD. It seemed the ONLY turntables being sold were to kids who attempted to become Hip-Hop "DJs" to "scratch" record on! frown
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#2845747 - 03/30/17 09:29 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Don't forget, Chuck Berry lived through all of these changes and upgrades and his new album will come out in multiple formats...My buddy is buying a new Dodge pickup and he told me that they have some sort of new player that works off of a chip...no vinyl, CD, MP3, cassette, etc., (according to his description). I'll have to check it out when he takes delivery next week! cool
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#2845952 - 03/31/17 04:55 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Oh, GREAT! MORE new technology CRAMMED down our throats! mad
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#2845995 - 03/31/17 08:24 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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It's probably a pre-loaded chip with tons of music on it for just $10 bucks LOL! cool
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#2846021 - 03/31/17 09:49 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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There are several alternatives to mp3 format being developed or marketed .
Tidal (the JayZ, etc, streaming system) uses one.
Also Neil Young's got one (Pono) in some stage of marketing.

Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Cassette, which was vastly superior in every regard, didn't come along until a few years later.

Though I didn't have one til abt '69 or 70, photos seem to show the Beatles using them in studio to take tracks home for study (apparently faster to run tape copies than make acetates).
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#2846109 - 03/31/17 03:50 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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Neil Young's PONO system, a welcome relief from the compresssed MP3 format hit the general public a couple of years ago. I'll have to hear and learn more about it, but initially, it sounds like something I COULD get into.

And I'm pretty sure cassettes have been around a lot longer than WE'VE been familiar with them. Y'know, like TV stations have been using video tape long before availability for public use, the same with radio using tape cartridges long before we got to use them too.
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#2846796 - 04/04/17 05:06 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Well, for Christmas I asked my sister to find me a good cassette Walkman, because the only ones for sale around here are cheap ones that don't work right. It took her a few months, but she got me one.
This is because I have about 1000+ cassettes purchased over the years, and see no reason not to enjoy them. Sure, I've replaced a few of them with CDs...... Some of them are irreplaceable, actually. At least, not EASILY replaceable.

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#2846797 - 04/04/17 05:06 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Well, for Christmas I asked my sister to find me a good cassette Walkman, because the only ones for sale around here are cheap ones that don't work right. It took her a few months, but she got me one.
This is because I have about 1000+ cassettes purchased over the years, and see no reason not to enjoy them. Sure, I've replaced a few of them with CDs...... Some of them are irreplaceable, actually. At least, not EASILY replaceable.

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#2846802 - 04/04/17 05:27 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Sure, and transferring them to CD isn't all that easy either. Especially if you lack both the equipment AND know-how. Which I DO grin

Like I said, my daughter did have both, and spent a long time transferring all HER cassettes to CD Finding an old but still working cassette walkman is probably both cheaper and time saving. wink
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#2847044 - 04/05/17 04:35 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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The one I got appeared to new and unused, actually. Sony no longer makes them, because it's not cost effective, but they made millions of them back in the day, and some of them still survive.

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#2847132 - 04/05/17 10:00 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Eric Iverson]
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I had a Sony CD Walkman which came in very handy when I flew back to Oklahoma every year for about 8 years or so. You could tune out those cry baby and other cabin sounds and talkers, which made flying much more comfortable listening to the Stray Cats instead LOL!

I used to spend hours converting vinyl to cassette on my recorder(s) but then I went to CD's. Now I am buying DVD's of musical interest (the sound is really cool on my blue ray player coming through my TV sound system).

There are quite a few Chuck Berry DVD's to choose from and I'm looking to add one to my collection. Hate to waste money on one that isn't all that great. It does not have to be on blue ray. If any of you guys can recommend one, I would really appreciate it. I'm interested in the greatest hits kind of thing. Has to have Johnny B. Goode, Roll Over and Memphis on it...any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! cool
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#2847305 - 04/06/17 05:05 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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You might want( if you haven't yet got it) to check out his documentary "Hail, Hail Rock an Roll".

Got ALL them tunes on it, most done by him, but several done by guests, or with guests accompanying him. Great line up too.

It was a filmed concert in celebration of his 60th birthday in 1986. LOTS of good stuff in it.

Although, I can't imagine ANY DVD of Chuck's that "isn't all that great". wink
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#2847358 - 04/06/17 09:01 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Thanks Fang, I saved it on Netflix...all of the copies are farmed out right now but hopefully it will come home to roost soon... cool
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#2847400 - 04/06/17 11:23 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I'm sure you must have seen it before(would surprise me if you didn't) but among all the performances, one of my favorite parts is the interview footage with Jerry Lee Lewis.
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#2847459 - 04/06/17 03:04 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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I probably have seen it, but if so, it's been so long ago, that I really don't remember. I saw a Jerry Lee Lewis interview clip where Jerry said he got in a fight with Chuck Berry. He said Chuck really kicked his butt LOL! The interviewer asked what the fight was about and Jerry said they were fighting over which one of them was the King of Rock and Roll! laugh

I saw another interview re: Chuck, with Keith Richards. He confirmed the story where he was punched in the face by Chuck Berry...when asked what the fight was about, Keith said it was because I had touched Chuck's guitar..."nobody touches my guitar!" cool
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#2847535 - 04/07/17 03:44 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Well, the bit I'm talkin' of is when Jerry Lee comes on and says, "Chuck Berry is the KING of rock'n'roll. My MAMA said that..." and what follows is kind of funny. I'll let you see it without any "spoiler alert". wink
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#2847615 - 04/07/17 09:55 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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FWIW, CB smacked KR b/c he sauntered onstage, pligged in & started blasting loudly,
Berry had no idea who it was.

As far as JLL paying some homage to CB, let's remember that those 2 original 1950s rockers once had a dispute abt who'd close one of Alan FReed's shows & when Berry won the slot JJL set his piano on fire (allegedly sayin', "Let that ****** follow THAT !").... so let's not dismiss the potential that JJL carried a grudge.


Kinda puts perspective on the later similar dispute between Hendrix & Pete Townshend at Monterrey Pop, eh ?
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#2847627 - 04/07/17 10:25 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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Yeah, I remember all that mess about what Jerry Lee said and done, but it's clear by Jerry Lee's comments in the film that he's long since got past that. He's actually very magnanimous and complimentary.

On Hendrix and Townshend I found this----

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-townshend-jimi-hendrix-negotiating-monterey/

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#2847647 - 04/07/17 11:37 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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FWIW, CB smacked KR b/c he sauntered onstage, pligged in & started blasting loudly,
Berry had no idea who it was.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Occyx3Z3vIU <---nope, not according to KR which I think is the best source of info. The story starts at 1:35 and he tells it the same way I did. Happened in the dressing room... cool
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#2847655 - 04/07/17 11:49 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Sorry, got it mixed up with this...
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/chuck-berry-kicks-off-keith-richards/
...which is kinda sorta similar.

I think it's likely that there'd been further mahem had Berry known abt the "secret under-stage amp trick".
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#2847669 - 04/07/17 12:14 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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I don't think Chuck would put up with Richards and made no bones about not caring for Kieth's little surprises LOL! Keith would be around Berry too much for it to be purely a chance meeting leading to a little spat. I think Keith liked to taunt Chuck because he thought he could get away with it LOL! +1 There are probably more stories to come about their little feud... cool


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#2847675 - 04/07/17 12:24 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Sometimes I wonder what woulda happened had the Yoko Ono interjection in the Lennon X Berry jam posted above had happened at the Fillmore or some place off camera
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#2847709 - 04/07/17 02:02 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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I'm not a fan of Yoko interjections LOL! She sounded really bad and her drumming could have been left out too! Chuck was singing the high parts over John's low parts, and though it was fun to watch, it didn't sound that good. The boys in the band were having fun and so was Chuck! I would have preferred Keith's loud amp over that take if I was Chuck LOL! I guess it's OK to touch his guitar if he hands it to you! cool
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#2847720 - 04/07/17 02:37 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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So, can we now vote? Who was "King" of Rock and Roll?

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#2847730 - 04/07/17 03:06 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I don't think Chuck would put up with Richards and made no bones about not caring for Kieth's little surprises LOL! Keith would be around Berry too much for it to be purely a chance meeting leading to a little spat. I think Keith liked to taunt Chuck because he thought he could get away with it LOL! +1 There are probably more stories to come about their little feud... cool


Um, Keith Richards was one of the producers of the documentary, and worked with Chuck in both the rehearsals and arrangements and order of the songs played at the concert. They do get into a "spat" of sorts when Chuck takes exception to how Keith tries to tell Chuck Berry how to play Chuck Berry songs. But it all works out. So it didn't really look like Chuck disliked Keith all that much for real cool
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#2847813 - 04/07/17 11:03 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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That's funny, I had a bass player buddy that would try to tell me how to play my songs/leads/chords/guitar/etc., and that would cause a little spat from time to time LOL! I would play his songs his way and expect him to reciprocate. I no longer play with him as I like to live a life sans stress and have fun playing my music my way. I vote with my feet sometimes and just walk-on... cool
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#2847832 - 04/08/17 04:54 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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"Vote with my feet"! I like that...;)

So, would that bass player buddy try telling you how to play songs YOU wrote? THAT'S gall! I mean, it's OK to offer a suggestion here or there, but not DICTATE. There were some bands I was in and I'd come up with a song or two of my own, and the other guitarist, who NEVER came up with his own tunes, would sometimes offer an idea, we'd ry it and if it worked, we kept it, and if not, it'd be dropped. But, he NEVER insisted. He'd kindly ASK "perhaps maybe we could try...."
He's a good musician, so I had no qualms.
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#2847891 - 04/08/17 08:49 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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I remember my jazz standard teacher referring to a break up when talking about former band mates as "we had to split the sheets" referring to the music sheets with a double entendre to the bedroom sheets in divorce cases...

I played with this buddy for 5 years +/- and he was a good guy. I have played with him a couple of times after moving on and I still treat him nice. He was a play it like the record guy and had a great memory but sometimes it got in the way of having a good time, especially when he would tell me and my old drummer how to play our instruments. He played guitar and drums and would tell us how to play ours. I finally told him to stop until he could play as good, then he could tell us how to play LOL! I do appreciate suggestions and I try to get along at all costs, but when there is one too many stories to tell, it's time to move on... cool
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#2847902 - 04/08/17 09:10 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
So, can we now vote? Who was "King" of Rock and Roll?


Elections over; CB by a landslide.
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#2847914 - 04/08/17 09:36 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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I'm sticking with Elvis...although I have no objection to Chuck Berry sharing that title! as in one of The Kings of Rock and Roll. cool
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#2847928 - 04/08/17 10:11 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Yeah, OK. That'll work for me too. Or maybe for those who don't wish to have them share, we could maybe say Elvis was the "king", and Chuck was the AMBASSADOR". Or vice-versa for some. whistle

But ya gotta prepare for those(and I know some) who would bestow the "King" crown on Buddy Holly. And others who'd argue for BILL HALEY. wink
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#2847930 - 04/08/17 10:27 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Elvis was cool but he never wrote a song.
Berry wrote music & lyrix & in both cases he expressed the feelings of young ppl across the nation & the world.
No comparison.
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#2847952 - 04/08/17 01:02 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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There were 3 Kings of the Orient and none of them wrote the song...I give Chuck Berry a ton of credit and mentioned him writing rock and roll in other threads and Elvis re-writing and arranging 40's R&B which also played a major part in the creation of rock and roll as well. I prefer Elvis over Chuck Berry as far as my record purchasing goes along with many other record purchasers. But, that really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, you just need to vote on who you like best...

+1 on Buddy Holly and Bill Haley getting in on the vote but they really are not going to get mine as there are many others I would list that I like better like Fats Domino, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, etc. We all have our preferences. cool
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#2848051 - 04/09/17 04:07 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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And it looks like that takes care of THAT! thu
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#2848169 - 04/09/17 02:00 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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The world's biggest Elvis fan had this [:15~:20] to say abt Chuck Berry.


Also listen to the interview segment between the perfs & consider what's saud there.

Like I said, E wuz cool but he never really created anything.
He imitated...but like 's been said, preferences win out over truth sometimes.
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#2848190 - 04/09/17 05:07 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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I have seen that intro before by John for Chuck Berry. A real classic John Lennon quote can also be found all over the net: "Before Elvis, there was nothing"...consider what's said there...Elvis didn't imitate or try to sound like the original artists, he created his own vibe using his voice, his heart and his soul...and, they called it rock and roll... cool


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#2848206 - 04/09/17 06:11 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I think there were some who called it that before Elvis came along. But no matter...

On all the made-for-TV bios made soon after he died, and in the newer "Sun Records" TV show, and in a few old interviews with Sam Phillips I've managed to read, they all include the same instance....

When Elvis came into the Sun studio, Sam, already weary of a lot of guys coming in sounding like, or TRYING to sound like someone already well known or famous, asked Evis, "And who do YOU sound like?" And Elvis' answer, "I don't sound like nobody". grin

As far as Elvis not writing anything?

A lot of early rockers didn't. The EVERLY BROTHERS earliest "hits" weren't from their pens. Bill Haley's first biggest "hits" were someone else's tunes as well. I'm not as big an Elvis fan as Larry, in fact, never much of an overall fan at all. But I cannot deny.....

Rock'n'Roll might have languished "underground" for years, or maybe just chugged along dismissed as "race" music for that long without ever possibly springing to the surface WITHOUT Elvis' appeal to give it the kick in the sss it needed to move to the forefront.

Chuck Berry, with his songs that more or less chronicled the lives and activities of the teen aged audience that was spending most of the time and money on rock'n'roll records was close on his heels and managed to move up only after Elvis went into the army and had little significant output. And coming out and going into the movie studio to make GI BLUES and releasing a soundtrack of mostly tepid showtunes sort of slowed down his rock status too. But we'll always be grateful for what he's done for the music in his early years.
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#2848223 - 04/09/17 06:52 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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The only Elvis movie soundtrack worth a crap is King Creole IMHO. The other movies you might come up with one cool song like the Hawaiian Wedding Song, Loving You, Return to Sender, Love Me Tender, It's Now Or Never...

The best Elvis album is Elvis' Golden Records Volume I. It has 20 of his gold record million dollar sellers and it's the one I could spend hours listening to back in my early teens. My kind of old rock and roll. I like some of Elvis' other tunes but this album is mostly what I'm into. I'm not a real fan of his later stuff...

For Chuck, there are about 5 or 6 songs that would fit in with this list that I truly love. Not saying there are not more that I like, but again these are the ones I'm really into (Roll Over Beethoven, Rock and Roll Music, Johnny B. Goode, Memphis, You Never Can Tell, etc.)...I also like the Beatles version of Roll Over Beethoven and Jonny Rivers version of Memphis...

for Elvis, the songs on the album mentioned above are:
Hound Dog, Loving You, All Shook Up, Heartbreak Hotel, Jailhouse Rock, Love Me, Too Much, Don't Be Cruel, That's When Your Heartaches Begin, Teddy Bear, Love Me Tender, Treat Me Nice, Any Way You Want Me, I Want You I Need You I Love You, My Baby Left Me, I Was The One, That's Alright, Baby Let's Play House, Mystery Train and Blue Sued Shoes...

Pretty hard to leave these out of the rock and roll creative history IMHO.

Roy Orbison is another one of my favorite "Kings" and he wrote most of his own songs...so for me, the 3 Kings of the Rock and Roll are Elvis Presley, Roy Orbison and Chuck Berry! cool


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#2848260 - 04/10/17 05:12 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I like THAT trio alright! Good marketing angle for some kind of rock'n'roll anthology box set. grin Call it, "We Three Kings of Rock'n'Roll". wink

Or maybe add Little Richard and call it, "The REAL Fab Four" grin

"Elvis' Golden Records" was I think, put together and released while he was in the Army to keep his name out and up there. My best friend's older sister had it and played it until you could hear both sides at once! grin (not really, but I came up with that analogy years ago to describe the practice of someone who'd play an album OBSESSIVELY!) She moped the entire time he was in and had more photos of Elvis on her wall than PAINT! I heard her Dad complain, "If she doesn't take some of them damned ELVIS pictures down they're gonna pull the PLASTER off!" grin

Y'know, you sometimes get a feeling of victory when you discover some PARENT of a friend is also a fan of some music man YOU like. Like when I found out that 7th grade buddy of mine's MOM was also a Chuck Berry fan! Or later, while in high school, I met a guy I became friends with and found out HIS Mom was ALSO a Bob Dylan fan! Me and her would sit for HOURS talkin' about him and his music.
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#2848265 - 04/10/17 05:32 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Or maybe add Little Richard and call it, "The REAL Fab Four" grin

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Or throw in Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, The Platters, and Johnny Cash for good measure...

Those were great days in music IMHO

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#2848292 - 04/10/17 07:55 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: DocPate]
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The Real Fab 4 would be cool with a little Little Richard added LOL! I find it cool when my kids grow up liking the music from my high school days better than theirs! My mom and dad grew to like it too...so it must be good! cool

Elvis went into the Army in March 1958. The Golden Hits Volume I was released the same month. The original vinyl record had 14 songs of which me and my buddy knew every song by heart in 1962! I would stop at his house on the way home from school and help him wear that record out as we both loved singing along with it. Hell, we even got one of those hair dye combs and dyed our hair black one day LOL! Luckily it washed out or my mother was going to kill me...I remember kids wondering why I still liked that "old Elvis music" when the Beatles came out in '63 or so...they didn't know I had been a fan when I was about 5 or 6 years old in '55 or so... LOL! cool

The remake of the album on CD has 20 songs on it.

And BTW for D, even though you think he never created anything, Elvis is officially credited as a co-writer on All Shook Up, Heartbreak Hotel, Don't Be Cruel and Love Me Tender on this album... cool


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#2848353 - 04/10/17 11:21 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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And BTW for D, even though you think he never created anything, Elvis is officially credited as a co-writer on All Shook Up, Heartbreak Hotel, Don't Be Cruel and Love Me Tender on this album... cool


I've always heard that Colonel Parker's demand for any song submissions being considered to record was that Elvis get co-writing credit. If a songwriter didn't agree, the song was instantly rejected.
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#2848421 - 04/10/17 06:22 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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HMMmmmm.......

Makes you kinda wonder what GEMS we all missed out on...

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#2848454 - 04/10/17 11:16 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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And BTW for D, even though you think he never created anything, Elvis is officially credited as a co-writer on All Shook Up, Heartbreak Hotel, Don't Be Cruel and Love Me Tender on this album... cool


I've always heard that Colonel Parker's demand for any song submissions being considered to record was that Elvis get co-writing credit. If a songwriter didn't agree, the song was instantly rejected.


I've heard many stories like this, but if this was true, one must ask why only 4 songs out of 20 on this gold records album from 1958 have Elvis credited as the co-writer? Also, most artists do not write their own material. What is special about their songs is what they put into them. Pick Whitney Houston or Nat King Cole or Frank Sinatra or just insert name...Elvis co-wrote every song he ever recorded that had his special take on it. He also sold the most records of any individual, over twice that of Frank Sinatra and many other greats. The only ones that ever beat him were the Beatles LOL! And that was as a group none of them came within being mentioned as an individual and the same is true of Chuck Berry. He sold a ton of records but never got to the 75 million mark. Elvis had well over 200 million records sold. The writing credits were rarely shared with him...cool


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#2848475 - 04/11/17 04:47 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Whoa there, Calhoun! grin

Millions of people bought PET ROCKS too.

So what does ANY of that mean? wink

Millions of people re-elected George W Bush and Bill Clinton, but there's plenty out there that would say both were bad choices. wink

Take a deep breath and try to keep it all in perspective. Whether or not Elvis was actually a co-writer of some of his songs in their CREATION, or by what he PUT INTO their performances isn't the point here. What he did with a song REGARDLESS of who the composer was is what mattered. Same with Frank, Nat, Whitney or whomever. smile
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#2848525 - 04/11/17 08:17 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Whoa there, Calhoun! grin

Millions of people bought PET ROCKS too.

So what does ANY of that mean? wink

Millions of people re-elected George W Bush and Bill Clinton, but there's plenty out there that would say both were bad choices. wink

Take a deep breath and try to keep it all in perspective. Whether or not Elvis was actually a co-writer of some of his songs in their CREATION, or by what he PUT INTO their performances isn't the point here. What he did with a song REGARDLESS of who the composer was is what mattered. Same with Frank, Nat, Whitney or whomever. smile
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I believe that creation quote is repeating what I said LOL! I was mainly addressing Scott's comment with regard to the Colonel having the writers allow Elvis to be a co-writer if they wanted the job...only 4 songs out of 20 would indicate that would not be the case...so I looked at his Gold Records volumes 2 3 and 4 as well:

volume 2: 1 song with Otis Blackwell out of 20
volume 3: 0 out of 12
volume 4: 0 out of 18

so if that was part of the contract, you would think he would have got more credits as a co-writer...

The fact that Elvis sold more rock and roll records (or any of the other genres) than any human on earth here in the USA, may not mean anything to you but I think it makes him the KING with his fans! The title of Volume 2 is "50,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong". You can vote for any President you want for free. It costs money to buy records...or you can buy a pet rock if it makes your point. At least you'll have some rock in your collection LOL! cool


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#2848551 - 04/11/17 09:14 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I was mainly addressing Scott's comment with regard to the Colonel having the writers allow Elvis to be a co-writer if they wanted the job...only 4 songs out of 20 would indicate that would not be the case...so I looked at his Gold Records volumes 2 3 and 4 as well:
volume 2: 1 song with Otis Blackwell out of 20
volume 3: 0 out of 12
volume 4: 0 our of 18
so if that was part of the contract, you would think he would have got more credits as a co-writer...


OK, that evidence would suggest it was not a policy in effect 100% of the time. As to the 5 co-writes in that record set, I won't speculate. I have no horse in that race. Still, the notion of Parker's demand for co-writing credit is a story I've heard more than once from various sources. But that's the nature of rumors once they get into circulation, just like Lennon's supposed statement about Ringo not being the best drummer in the Beatles, which never happened, but gets repeated all the time.
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#2848565 - 04/11/17 09:46 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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+1 Scott, there were only 4 writers on 4 of his Golden Hits albums that I know of that shared writing credits with Elvis: Otis Blackwell, Mae Axton, Tommy Durden and Vera Matson on those 5 songs. But, that rumor that you heard may have some validity as there was a ton of crap (mostly movie crap), that could have been co-written that I have never paid any attention to LOL! +1,000 I have no doubt that we can bury that rumor about Ringo! thu
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#2848684 - 04/11/17 03:48 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Let's move it over to Chuck(since it's a Chuck Berry thread) there's THIS concerning co-writing "credit"---

In the 1950s, some record companies assigned publishing credits to disc jockeys and others who helped to promote a record, a form of payola by means of composer royalties. For this reason, the disc jockey Alan Freed received credit as a co-writer of "Maybellene". Russ Fratto, who had loaned money to Chess, also received credit.[8] (Some Chess insiders have said that Chess owed money to Fratto, a printer and stationer, for producing record labels.) The Freed and Fratto credits, which do not appear on the original Chess single (see the photograph above), were withdrawn in 1986.[9] However, as of 2014, these credits still appear on some reissues of Berry's recordings.--from WIKI


And I've never heard that Ringo rumor. And rumors do abound in the "biz". Like the reason BOB SEEGER's voice sounded like it did was because he had throat cancer. He didn't of course, and the same tripe circulated about MITCH RYDER too. Or how about the one in which ROD STEWART was rushed to a hospital after reacting violently to a bellyfull of SEMEN? Oy!
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#2848694 - 04/11/17 04:27 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Surfing USA was released in '63 with Brian Wilson as the sole composer. After Berry's lawsuit wanting writing credits from his song Sweet Little Sixteen (the song the Beach Boys admitted they wrote the lyrics over) the record labels were re-labeled to C. Berry. Later on the Surfing USA album in '66 the co-writing credits are Brian Wilson/Chuck Berry. The song was later given to Arc Music, Berry's publishing company. Mike Love claimed he helped write Surfing USA too LOL! Berry told the Beach Boys he liked their version of the song. (according to Wiki). cool
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#2848748 - 04/11/17 09:01 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Surfing USA was released in '63 with Brian Wilson as the sole composer. After Berry's lawsuit wanting writing credits from his song Sweet Little Sixteen (the song the Beach Boys admitted they wrote the lyrics over) the record labels were re-labeled to C. Berry as the writer. Later on the Surfing USA album in '66 the co-writing credits are Brian Wilson/Chuck Berry. The song was later given to Arc Music, Berry's publishing company. Mike Love claimed he helped write Surfing USA too LOL! Chuck Berry told the Beach Boys he liked their version of the song. (according to Wiki). cool


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#2848801 - 04/12/17 05:35 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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grin grin

Yeah, I learned early on( after asking the guy at Town&Country records) that the name under the band's or artist's name in parenthesis on the label was that of the songwriter. I still laugh now when I recall that knowing that fact, I for a while wondered who that "R.PENNIMAN" dude was that wrote all them Little Richard tunes! grin Well, he never DID use his full name professionally. blush
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#2849626 - 04/15/17 08:33 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
And BTW for D, even though you think he never created anything, Elvis is officially credited as a co-writer on All Shook Up, Heartbreak Hotel, Don't Be Cruel and Love Me Tender on this album... cool


I've always heard that Colonel Parker's demand for any song submissions being considered to record was that Elvis get co-writing credit. If a songwriter didn't agree, the song was instantly rejected.


Thanks, SF.
That's, sadly not a situation that existed in those instances. Even today some producers will edge in on submissions.

Anywhat, the point of this is, as so often the case here, blurred by irrelevancies.

I quess it doesn't matter whether somebody on a relatively minor website wants to consider Elvis or anyone in particular "the King of TakeYerPick" but we are here in a forum for guitarists & in a thread meant to honor Chuck Berry so the idea that he carries greater weight than E the P bears defending.

Some are just stuck in their opinions without regard to logic or other devil tricks so I doubt this will convince them but consider these points...
/ Chuck wrote an almost non-ending great songs that had terrific music & lyrics that basically defined the emergent attitudes of young ppl in the 1950s. Elvis ? None.
/ Berry's recording of "J B Goode" was 1 of 27 musical recordings (3 from USA) selected to represent Earth on the Voyager 1 intergalactic space mission launched 1977.
/ While there's at least 1 bottom shelf track in CB's history (My Dingaling) there's a multi-level stack of Presley tracks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58z-eRUFt_E
where Elvis proves he had no allegiance to rock'n'roll.
Now Elvis's ability to turn in a convincing, affecting perf in many styles from show biz tripe to deep gospel was a true talent but hardly garners him the honor some accord him.

/ Berry's career was crimped by his arrests; Presley's, not by his oft-cited stint in the army but by his decade-long prostitution of his talent in over 2 dozen movies (of which maybe 3 + 2 halves had anything more than the tired repetition of "poor boy hasta prove his worth to get the girl").
/ The point that John Lennnon (& others) at some point cited EP as an early influence is countered by his (& many others) later deciding that Presley had let the flag drag in the dirt.
Presley was the 1st exposure many had to nascent rock&roll but he had no real long-term depth.
Presley descended into a life of lazy, repetitive offerings & personal hubris tinged with paranoia. Can y' imagine Chuck Berry tryna get Tricky Dick Nixon to gives him Secret DEA agent status so he could bust other musicians ?!

Of course, none of that's gonna convince some but I think it sets a sense of balanced value...so go ahead, take the last word here but that won't prove anything.
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#2849668 - 04/15/17 10:15 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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If you're wanting me to have the last word D, I never take that opportunity but I will provide you with a comment now and then. If you go back to my post on 4/9/17, you will find that I totally agree with you on the crap Elvis did in his movies. On the Elvis side of that coin, he signed the contracts which took away his input on the music and he still honored those contracts. In my further discussion with Scott, I also pointed out that the rumor of Elvis sharing co-writing contracts negotiated by the Colonel could have been true in the movie tunes, as I never followed that later crap...

If you go into the history of Elvis on Heartbreak Hotel, one of his most famous entries into the world of selling hit records, you'll find that the Colonel was fighting for co-writing credits on E's behalf with RCA. I guess there are more royalties involved with writing credits and this may be where the rumor got started. Elvis did fight with RCA on the song recording and they didn't want to record or release the song. E got his way and it became his biggest hit...to which Keith Richards, George Harrison and others list as their biggest inspiration tune for rock and roll music when wanting to learn and play the guitar...Elvis was responsible for the recording techniques used in the studio and RCA found themselves with a true money maker. The same thing happened when Elvis had to fight for his Gospel album and his country album.

I didn't really want to keep on the topic comparing Elvis and Chuck, but will follow the discussion wherever it leads us. I would like to have just left MY RIP Chuck Berry thread, on that particular topic. But, it seems like someone wanted to pick on E a little bit more by comparing him to Chuck. I feel compelled to come to E's defense as "now and then, there's a fool such as I." LOL! So much for the Nixon, Secret Agent, DEA, Flag in the Dirt conspiracy theories for which there may be some truth...and I'm glad Jonny B got in the space archives even though Chuck borrowed the intro! May they both RIP. cool

ps. and interesting tidbit I discovered on the Clam song in the YT you posted...you'll find it comes directly from the marching cadence songs we sang in the Army...maybe Elvis did have a little say in that song material from his Army days..."Look to your right and what do you see? A bunch of maggots watching me...am I right or wrong, your right, tell me if I'm wrong, your right, sound off, one two three four."



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#2849682 - 04/15/17 11:01 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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In many ways I agree with most of d's assessment of Elvis concerning his particular rock'n'roll tenure in entirety. But I never let those facts sway me from giving him full credit for quickly moving the music from dismissive racist epithets to it's recognition as a viable commercial music genre. But while writing credits are important, they don't make the whole case for any mantle. Sure, Chuck Berry wrote almost all of the tunes he's famous for, and was able to do them in a way that pleased his listeners. But that too, was uncommon in those times.

In another instance, many wouldn't argue over how GREAT a playwrite William Shakespeare was. But that doesn't make Laurence Olivier any less a thespian. And he's still considered one of the best Shakespearean actors who ever lived even though he wrote not ONE LINE of any of those plays. So, by THAT formulae, Elvis didn't WRITE any "great" rock'n'roll tunes, but the way he PERFORMED them is what MADE them great. Just listen to any other cover of a song he made "great" done by someone else, and you'll hear what I mean.

I mean, really....How many times have you HEARD what you thought was a "great" song, and have your first thought be, "WOW! Who wrote THAT one?" another example:

For the longest time, until Carol King released her "Tapestry" LP, just about EVERYBODY thought JAMES TAYLOR wrote "You've Got A Friend". But, once discovering the FACT, nobody liked James Taylor any LESS. smile
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#2849708 - 04/15/17 01:13 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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I find it hard to imagine rock and roll without Elvis. After all, there were recordings that most consider rock and roll before Elvis. But it took Elvis to help create legitimacy.

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#2849712 - 04/15/17 01:32 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: DocPate]
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As we slip still further from any valid points (who sold more records determines validity ? BTW, chk some facts, whatever amount of sales EP had has been surpassed by others), this discussion wanders around evading the plain fact that when one examines the talent of any rock & roll founders, Berry stands far above the others in every respect other than mellifluousness of vox.
Elvis was talented & got a lotta fame & attention, esp with the mainstream of listeners but that's really the only claim that can be made to support his place in history.

To be honest, to keep flogging that distortion, esp here in this thread, supposedly honoring Berry, is a demonstration that some can't honestly evaluate their heroes.
Worse, it's an insult to the "honor" that one imagines the thread's point to be.

Guess it was really all abt what most of the RIPs here turn out to be---be 1st to post & then we pile on w/ little examination of the reason someone should be remembered.

As the other primary candidate for "King of RocknRoll" (the aforementioned R Penniman rockit ) might say, "Shut up! Peach out, y'all!"

Richard says it for Chuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCKKPy6WX24

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#2849745 - 04/15/17 10:52 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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http://list25.com/25-top-selling-music-artists-of-all-time/ <---I checked the fact D. No individual has surpassed Elvis in record sales and you can look up those facts on several sites besides Wiki. The only ones to surpass him are The Beatles... cool
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#2849772 - 04/16/17 05:53 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I think d's point in that( and I DO agree) goes into what we often agree on in the TCM forum....

That BOX OFFICE reciepts are NOT an indicator of any movie's quality. And that would be true of any song as well.

MILLIONS of girlies bought BEATLES records mostly BECAUSE they were Beatles records, and they too, ran the gamut from "great" songs to rather ordinary. Elvis too. Nobody will deny that his version of "Hound Dog" is an "iconic" rock'n'roll song, but I CAN'T say the same for "Wild In The Country". But because it too, was an Elvis tune, tons of girlies bought it too.

I'll go on record that I believe MUCH more guys got kicked in the ass to pick up a guitar and play by Chuck's inspiration than from Elvis. And that more guys got inspired to grow SIDEBURNS from Elvis than they did to play the guitar. wink
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#2849786 - 04/16/17 08:00 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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It's good that you'll go on record Fang, you just won't reach 200 million like The King of rock and roll did LOL! The Beatles surpassed his record and I think it proves that they both had a ton of fans that loved them. Whether it was mop heads or sideburns is really not that important. People loved their music and proved it by buying it. Elvis inspired some of our favorite guitar players like Keith and George along with many others, as did The Beatles. I know many of my guitar playing buddies bought their song books (to include myself) when we were learning how to play the guitar. We still do when it comes to Stevie Ray. The biggest influences for E & B were a decade apart (Elvis 54's, Beatles 64's +/-). Chuck Berry no doubt inspired many too and his fans bought a ton of his records.

I always give singer song writers like Chuck, Paul, John and George, the extra credit they deserve, but you don't have to write music to be a big star like Frank Sinatra, Barbara Streisand, Michael Buble, Ray Charles, Joe Cocker, Elvis Presley, [insert name], etc. People have to buy into what you do in order for you to claim your role in rock and roll history, pop, jazz, blues, country, etc. Chuck Berry definitely claimed his historic role along with all those other guys and gals like Jim Croce, James Taylor, Carol King, John Fogerty, The Stones, The Eagles, Bob Dylan, etc... cool


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The misfortune in all of this is that you're so "locked in" on the record sales thing that you don't seem to recognize that I'm AGREEING with you! But then again...

d makes some strong points too. Like, when both Elvis and Chuck BOTH faded somewhat in the rock'n'roll charts, they were replaced on the playlists by others like The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones and others, how many of THEM did "covers" of old Elvis "hits"?

NONE as far as I know. Look on many of their early LPs and you'll find "covers" of old Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly and Bo Diddly tunes. But what matter?

It's odd to see two people who are RIGHT butt heads over it all.

But, IF you're gonna go with record sales, then it might seem like Elvis and The Beatles are fighting for the "King"/"Kings" of rock'n'roll title, but if you're gonna go by the SONGWRITING route, then hands down, LEIBER and STOLLER take the crown. wink

But I also have the feeling that all of them, Elvis, Chuck and anyone else you want to mention, would think this whole debate is ridiculous. If there IS a "Rock and Roll Heaven" like The Righteous Brothers sang about, I picture Elvis and Chuck sitting next to each other, poking each other in the ribs and laughing like CRAZY over all these posts. grin
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#2849973 - 04/17/17 07:41 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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It's no misfortune, it's just stating a fact. A fact you and D may not agree with. But that doesn't make the comment into a debate or into butting heads. I have recognized the points you both bring up and have agreed where possible. My comments are just my comments and nothing more. That is what forums are all about. The fact that Elvis sold more records than Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly, Bo Diddly, twice as many as Sinatra, along with all others except the Beatles, should tell you something...not that it would matter LOL!

Being well rounded you know the story of covering Carl Perkins when the boys told him he was playing it wrong as they were note for note copy cats. Carl explained he liked the Elvis intro better than his on Blue Suede Shoes...the Beatles definitely liked Honey Don't and even let Ringo Sing it. I'm not a fan of Buddy Holly (although I truly recognize his talent) so I'm not sure of which songs may have been covered by the Stones or the Beatles etc.? I do know the Animals (not mentioned) were the big cover artists on Bo Diddly tunes/style. Bo even came out to hear them play it when they came to his town...I would say the reason the Fab Four and the Stones didn't have time to cover Elvis (and that is a brand new and an unusual criteria for the King title) is that they were too busy writing their own material. Also, there were few records going back across the big pond for them to copy in their early days..."But what matter?"

As I have already said, I really appreciate the singer song writers like Chuck Berry, but there is no reason to write your own hits in order to be the King or to be a big recording star/artist...I really don't agree with the King of this or the King of that moniker as in "the King of Pop", etc. Elvis did not ask for or agree with the title but I'm sure it grew on him. Others, are more into arguing about it like Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis getting in a fight over it LOL! (Chuck won by the way!) Now BB King being the King, I like that one! You just can't write Elvis out of the history lesson...I have tried to agree with both you and D and I appreciate the discussion. I would like to leave Elvis out and just concentrate on Chuck Berry (if possible) but I don't want to mother hen this thread LOL! +1 If there is a rock and roll heaven, Chuck and Elvis are probably having a great time together playing rock and roll and not bothering to read these posts LOL! I hope... cool


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#2850132 - 04/17/17 06:01 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Wow. I don't ever recall saying anything about NOT agreeing with you as to the fact of who sold more whatever. Just that huge record sales isn't any indication of a song's "greatness". I mean, Herman's Hermits "I'm Henry The VIII I Am" reached No.1 on the charts for a few weeks at least. I'd say that proves MY point! LOL wink

Incidentally, a "cover" of Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" was the Stones' first U.S. single release. As for Elvis not asking for or even agreeing with the "King" thing, it may well be. Bob Dylan hated it when he was kept being referred to as "The voice of a generation".

As for why none of them covered any Elvis during the "British Invasion", we'd have to ask Mick, Keith, Paul or Ringo the reason, as Elvis singles DID make their way over to England. ("Blue Suede Shoes" charting better there than here)

Maybe in "rock'n'roll heaven" both Chuck and Elvis, along with Johnny Cash( as I understand Cash and Elvis were both part of the same tour in the early days) are waitin' on Jerry Lee to get there so they can have fun givin' him a hard time! grin He was part of that same tour too, I think.
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#2850149 - 04/17/17 08:27 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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We could do a whole thread on lousy chart toppers that sold a ton of records (somebody must like them!). For Chuck, it has to be My Ding a Ling LOL! Cute, by not a favorite of mine! The Bird is the Word always takes numero uno IMHO! Better yet, anything by Tommy Roe other than Wild Thing, as Jimi saved that one! Or then again, there's Tip Toe Through The Tulips! I mean Henry The VIII is almost a good song in comparison LOL! cool


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#2850177 - 04/18/17 04:45 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I've never HEARD a Tommy Roe version of "Wild Thing". grin Can't( and DON'T) even want to IMAGINE it! Liked it when The Troggs put it out, but tired of it quick. +1 on Jimi saving it.

I do remember however, in '64 he DID try a cover of Chuck Berry's( and he's still in this) "Carol". Sheila must've been pissed! wink

Now, on "The Bird Is The Word". Are you referring to The Rivington's original, or The Trashmen's "send up" cover, "Surfin' Bird"? Liked them both, but now just mostly for nostalgic laughs. And BTW---

That Herman's Hermits song, "Henry The VIII" is also a cover of an old music hall song that dates back to 1910!

Back to Chuck----

I always thought his "My Ding-A-Ling" was his little joke. That he wasn't REALLY referring to what everybody took to THINKING he was, but being aware of his public rep, figured people would TAKE it to mean that when he really never did specify, and figured THAT'S what would make it a hit! wink Seems like the man knew us better than we knew OURSELVES! grin

A few years or so ago I started a thread about novelty tunes. "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" was on that list, as well mentioning ANY song by Tiny Tim. The dude was a "novelty" himself! wink Remember HIS cover of "Great Balls Of Fire"? grin

So was "Lover's Concerto" by Mrs. Miller. And it TOO, hit #1! grin
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#2850213 - 04/18/17 08:51 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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You're right, it was the Troggs that I had in mind with Wild Thing but it was Tommy Roe that I had on the brain LOL! Tommy was the King of Bubblegum! He drove me up a wall with Dizzy, Yummy Yummy Yummy and Sweet Pea! He did do a decent version of Stagger Lee...and yes, the title of the Bird I'm referring to was Surfin Bird! It's numero uno on my list...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvIg2MOQ1Y&index=56&list=PLSfZH2XbMaIdr2Od-YX_bXKromF73LEHX <---Tommy did a good job on Carol, the guy was actually pretty good, He also covered Lawdy Miss Clawdy Elvis style, but I'm not going to mention the E-word LOL!

I've heard Tiny Tim also played guitar pretty well... cool
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#2850230 - 04/18/17 10:10 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Tommy was the King of Bubblegum!


What!!?? Blasphemy!! Tommy Roe can't hold a candle to the true King(s) of Bubblegum, The Archies.
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#2850231 - 04/18/17 10:16 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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That Herman's Hermits song, "Henry The VIII" is also a cover of an old music hall song that dates back to 1910!


I had no idea. Now I need to do some Googling. I always liked Herman's pop sensibility, & hearing this just increases my respect.

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So was "Lover's Concerto" by Mrs. Miller. And it TOO, hit #1! grin
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As was her version of "Downtown". That was an era we'll never have back, when novelty tunes were Top 40 hits. My favorites were "They're Coming To Take Me Away, HaHa" & "Tie Me Kangaroo Down". It could never happen today.
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#2850252 - 04/18/17 12:13 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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That Herman's Hermits song, "Henry The VIII" is also a cover of an old music hall song that dates back to 1910!


I had no idea. Now I need to do some Googling. I always liked Herman's pop sensibility, & hearing this just increases my respect.

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So was "Lover's Concerto" by Mrs. Miller. And it TOO, hit #1! grin
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As was her version of "Downtown". That was an era we'll never have back, when novelty tunes were Top 40 hits. My favorites were "They're Coming To Take Me Away, HaHa" & "Tie Me Kangaroo Down". It could never happen today.


I have glowingly fond memories of that song, "Downtown", and others playing over the AM radio when I was very little, riding at night in the back-seat of my Dad's Buick muscle car (speaking of bygone eras!), often fading in and out with weird distortion, delayed doubling and effective echo, flanging-like sounds, phase and ring modulation...

The melodies, as well as those effects of interference, affected and impacted me to this day. Much of my sense of melody and phrasing and my love for distortion, ring-modulation, tremolo, echo, all manner of signal-degradation, etc. etc. etc. can be traced back to that.
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#2850334 - 04/18/17 07:03 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Downtown by Petula Clark YES! by Mrs. Miller, NO WAY! cool
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#2850335 - 04/18/17 07:04 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Tommy was the King of Bubblegum!


What!!?? Blasphemy!! Tommy Roe can't hold a candle to the true King(s) of Bubblegum, The Archies.


LOL! roll
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#2850364 - 04/19/17 04:23 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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I'm actually kinda ashamed I know any of this.

But "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy" WASN'T a Tommy Roe song. Was done by a group called THE OHIO EXPRESS.

And The Archies WEREN'T an actual band. Just a bunch of ( and probably reluctant) studio guys earning "day job" pay. wink

Wanna talk "bubble gum"? Well, my ex( who was my "steady" through that period) was BIG on it. I too, had my fill of --

The 1910 Fruitgum Company

The Cowsills

Andy Kim

The DiFranco Family

ECHH!

But, how can ANYONE forget Roe's "Jam Up and Jelly Tight"? grin

Or the "Dynamic Duo" of bubble gum, DONNY AND MARIE? wink
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#2850391 - 04/19/17 07:21 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Some of those songs are shaking my brain so much dust is coming out my ears Ha Ha. For some reason it made me think of some other odd songs from that era that I likely dont remember the real titles. One about Fighting the british - we fired our guns but the british kept a comin there wasnt quite as many etc., and one about purple people eaters. My brother had the Tiny Tim album that had tip toe through the tuliups. Plus one with Larry on Petula Clark Downtown. Brain won't stop. Lots of Roger Miller songs and ???Jim Stafford (I don't like spiders and snakes). Dang Me etc. Great thread. Jim

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#2850392 - 04/19/17 07:24 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: jimmac]
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By the way MY DING A LING was popular with the crouds when we played it at wedding receptions in the late 70's.

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#2850395 - 04/19/17 07:40 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwzxRoNdFPE <----Here'sssss Tommy LOL! Yes, it was a cover of Ohio Express, but he did do a better job on the song (if that's even possible LOL!), and it was played on the radio,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4aQiFaCod8 <---and the Ohio original version is the one that really sucks and drives me even more nuts! Check out that bass! Looks like it has more than 4 strings...Sweet Pea was really bad but Dizzy was the topper for me LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWUafVsDlKQ <---Tommy Roe not doing the song is kind of like saying Johnny Rivers didn't do Memphis, it was Chuck Berry (I actually like Johnny's version better!). I have to give Tommy credit though for writing Sheila a tribute to Buddy Holly...covered by The Beatles, live in Hamburg. cool


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#2850566 - 04/20/17 05:20 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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JIM--You're thinking of Johnny Horton's "Battle Of New Orleans".

Those years were RIPE with that kind of stuff!

"Purple People Eater"
"The Witch Doctor"
"My Boomerang Won't Come Back"

Ray Stevens made a CAREER out of them! ("Ahab The Arab", "Jerimiah Peabody's etc. etc.", "Harry The Hairy Ape"). But...

"Bubble Gum" and novelty songs aren't one and the same. A friend of mine once likened it to OTHER pre-teen concepts by calling it "training rock" grin (likening it to pre-teen girl's "training bra's" grin )

Here's an interesting take on Tommy's "Sheila"--


"The ABC recording of the song is done in the style of the Lubbock sound, made popular by Buddy Holly and the Crickets in the late 1950s"

??? yeah, well, we ALL thought it was Tommy's "tribute" to Holly, and I'm sure Tommy MEANT it to be. But it looks like some aren't willing to GIVE it that due. WIKI strikes again! grin
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#2850567 - 04/20/17 05:33 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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And The Archies WEREN'T an actual band. Just a bunch of ( and probably reluctant) studio guys earning "day job" pay. wink



Please see the excellent film, The Wrecking Crew (2008/2014, directed by Denny Tedesco). You will find that musicians behind "The Archies" (and many others) were not reluctant, and often were making DAMN GOOD pay! AND- I am sure that you will really, really enjoy the film!
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#2850587 - 04/20/17 07:48 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RRXJdERku4 <---here's a song that sounds a lot like Elvis by Terry Stafford...it sounded so much like him, I thought it was him when it came out...when I was a little boy, I thought Carl Perkins doing Blue Suede Shoes was Elvis too LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Ll2frWOB4 <---same thing happened when Tommy Roe did his Sheila, I thought Buddy Holly came back to life!

Cue the Twilight Zone theme... cool



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#2850603 - 04/20/17 08:25 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Those years were RIPE with that kind of stuff!
"Purple People Eater"
"The Witch Doctor"
"My Boomerang Won't Come Back"


Don't forget "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini"
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#2850668 - 04/20/17 01:09 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Scott Fraser]
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And lest we not forget ye old Irish ditty: The Unicorn Song with the green alligators and long necked geese! sick

and, my favorite Halloween song: The Monster Mash! evil

and, I'll throw in Running Bear...loved little White Dove! mad

and, My Baby Does The Hanky Panky! facepalm

I think a whole thread on goofy songs would have been in order... cool


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#2850770 - 04/21/17 04:55 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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@Larry--

"Suspicion" by Terry Stafford won me a free lunch! Second only to that free joint I won on that "Move It On Over" bet.

A guy at the engine plant I worked in during that last of the '80's had his radio on the oldies station, and it came on. A lady asked him if it was Elvis, and he said "yes" with what HE thought was autority. I was working next to the lady, and chirped up, "No, it isn't. It's a guy named Terry Stafford." He was annoyed enough at the challenge to his "authority" that while the song was still playing, made the lunch bet. Not a FULL MINUTE went by when the song ended and the station's DJ announced, "That's TERRY STAFFORD with "Suspicion" from 1964!" grin

Yeah, I too thought at first it was Elvis. But I liked it enough to buy the 45 back in '64 when it came out. smile

Now, I'd say "Hanky Panky" is more "bubble gum" than novelty, as Tommy James and his Shondells were often thought of as "bubble gum" than a serious rock band. Even so, they did do a couple I liked. But of course, they WEREN'T "Crimson And Clover" or "Crystal Blue Persuasion". grin

I don't think "Running Bear" is or was even intended to be thought of as a novelty song. It did great on BOTH the country charts and pop charts. It was written by Jiles Richardson (The "Big Bopper") and came out a half year or so after his death in that infamous plane crash. Big joke at the time was, since the song was SO popular, someone would ask, "Do you like RUNNING BEAR?" and due to it's BEING so well liked, people would of course answer, "Yes." And completing the pun, the first person would THEN ask, "Don't you get COLD?" rolleyes

@Scott:

I LIKED "Itsy Bitsy, Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini". But I liked the "B" side,"Don't Dilly dally Sally" even BETTER!

But then, I WAS only 9years old at the time wink

And too, let's not overlook "Mr. Custer" by Larry Verne. Verne's voice to many of us sounded so much like Dennis Weaver's( Chester on Gunsmoke) we at first thought it WAS "Chester" doing it! grin
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#2851051 - 04/22/17 01:15 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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All very entertaining but meanwhile C Berry remains the King of R&R for those basing their evaluation on musical achievement, skill level & commitment.
Elvis is the King for trivialists 'n' such.

Of course when some won't even let him be the King Of This Thread [ poke ], I guess the lesson is facepalm
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#2851066 - 04/22/17 03:20 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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All very entertaining but meanwhile C Berry remains the King of R&R for those basing their evaluation on musical achievement, skill level & commitment.
Elvis is the King for trivialists 'n' such.

Of course when some won't even let him be the King Of This Thread [ poke ], I guess the lesson is facepalm


Yeah, and I gave in and meandered around here, myself... guilty as charged... blush

Think of the topically sideways-veering discussion on this thread as being similar to chattin' about the good ol' days and related memories and topics at a reception after calling-hours...
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#2851137 - 04/22/17 11:23 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Chuck Berry is the King of this thread...I made it so. Even you acknowledged "From One King to Another" in your 1st post D (see your YouTube clip of Elvis doing Johnny B. Goode)...

The real trivia is to keep worrying about the King issue. I appreciate all of the small talk and do not mind the many segues. +1 on Caevan's describing this chatter as bringing back the good old days. That is what I would be doing if I was attending a reception for Chuck Berry... cool

ps. I also love to see the thread come back to talking about Chuck Berry as much as possible. I truly miss him and feel very fortunate to have grown up with him during my early days of rock and roll...


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#2851158 - 04/23/17 04:58 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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Another way to look at it is that mentioning and acknowledging Chuck Berry's death, and all the "side-lining" that followed proves that Chuck dying DIDN'T mean that rock'n'roll too, died WITH him.

It was all sort of like being downstairs at a funeral home. You know, the place in many funeral homes where there's coffee and stuff where people gather and talk about all the old days and chatter about all the good times they all had when the deceased was alive. smile
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#2851218 - 04/23/17 11:15 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: whitefang]
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Sometimes the "side-lining" leads us back into the topic as it did with Tommy Roe being the King of Bubblegum and Scott wanting the crown to go to the Archies LOL! Which lead to a lot of songs that sold lots of records even though they were weird to say the least (as record sales were not a good measure of the King title)...but Tommy Roe writing Sheila in honor of Buddy Holly brought out my YT post of Fang pointing out he did a cover of Chuck Berry's Carol... cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luvIg2MOQ1Y <---I'll post it again for those that missed it. I think he did a great job on the cover.

Also, in talking about bubblegum music, I think it was one of the Keys to Chuck's writing success. He wrote about his high school days in his later years and could relate to what would get the kids rocking...his songs always had a little story that kids who were sweet little 16 could get into with coolerators full of ginger ale...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ECqL51SRUk <---I remember at 16 we all had our own cars in high school and lived many of the moments Chuck sang about from his hits like School Days...


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#2851232 - 04/23/17 01:01 PM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: Larryz]
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IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO, uh, TODAY

Chuck Berry on Tonight show : cool perf & extended interview plus 2nd perf... & then Carson sends the other guests home & has CB do a 3rd tune !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdnFsSiUFjk


Release date for full CHUCK alb remains June 16.

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#2851355 - 04/24/17 05:17 AM Re: RIP CHUCK BERRY [Re: d]
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Thanks. I'm circling the date on my calendar once Im outta here.
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