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#2842580 - 03/18/17 06:33 AM Seth Lover - Pickups
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I am getting a deal on a center block 335 style guitar. I have a choice on pickups... Either Duncan 59s or Seth Lovers. I never played Seth Lovers. My understanding is they are very much like the original PAFs and should be darker than the Duncans. I'm guess the Duncan will be more to my taste but I don't really know.

Anyone here familiar with Seth Lover humbuckers? If so what are they like?

Not real familiar with 59s either my go to set has always been JB in the bridge and a Duncan Jazz in the neck.

Thanks.


Edited by CEB (03/18/17 06:40 AM)

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#2842603 - 03/18/17 09:38 AM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: CEB]
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If you like the Duncan in the neck, that's the one I would go with first and then try to pick the best match up for the bridge between the other two...I have heard good things on all of the above and wouldn't rule out any of the original PAFs if that's the sound you're really looking for. cool
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#2842644 - 03/18/17 11:25 AM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Larryz]
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I tend to favor Duncans, myself, and as far as a darker sound, I don't know if you need that with HB's. Put a set of flat wounds on there, dial the neck PUP Volume back to 9, that'll do you.
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#2842659 - 03/18/17 01:11 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: CEB]
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(NOT off the top of my head- I did a little quick searchin' 'n' readin'... )

The Seymour Duncan Seth Lover SH-55N neck-pickup has a little more midrange than the Seymour Duncan '59 SH-1N neck-pickup.

Here are some great info 'pages on each of them from the Seymour Duncan 'site:

__ Seymour Duncan Seth Lover SH-55N

__ Seymour Duncan '59 SH-1N


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#2842696 - 03/18/17 05:14 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Thanks guys. I heard some examples with a Seth in the bridge and a 59 in the neck and that sounded good. Heck all the examples of this model guitar sounded good. I'll go over the info. Picking out a finish is going to be tough also they all look good.

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#2842698 - 03/18/17 05:16 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I have Duncan '59s on my Heritage. Great sounding pu's. The Duncan Seth Lovers are a bit more mellow.

Can't go wrong with either set.
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#2842743 - 03/18/17 07:34 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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I have never done Seth Lovers, but I am a big fan of Duncan Distortions which are a little darker and slightly more powerful than the stock Gibson's in my Les Paul's. If you put audio taper 500k ohm pots in that guitar when you change the pups. You can get the nicest tone ever (in my humble opinion) by rolling the volume off just a slight touch.
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#2842747 - 03/18/17 07:38 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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@CEB:

So what 335 clone did you buy?
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#2842814 - 03/19/17 06:48 AM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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None yet. I have deal that won't happen until May. Two of us can get guitars at cost from a US builder. I'm trying to decide what options I want to order. The 59s are the baseline pickups. I think there is a slight up charge for the Seth Lovers. I think these are my two choices for this model.

Fred is familiar with the guitar.

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#2846893 - 04/04/17 12:01 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: CEB]
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I played the 59s and the Lovers today. Clean Jazzy tones I liked the Lovers. Through my pedal board on Rock tones I liked the 59 bridge way better on the Heritage 555 and 535s. The Lovers got way too bassy. The Lover in the neck sounded nice. I'm thinking I will order a 59 in the Bridge and a Seth Lover in the neck.

I have a hard decision to make regarding guitar choices though. The smaller body Heritage Prestige sounded great on rock stuff. Brighter with more spank. But I think the 535 and 555 are more versatile. The 150MM with Duncan 59s was great. It is basically a semi hollow Les Paul. Maybe the best sounding Rock axe but if I want a semi hollow I want a bigger guitar.


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#2846905 - 04/04/17 12:21 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: CEB]
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Can't go wrong with a Heritage semi-hollow.

They are finely crafted instruments. When I picked mine up after the all-important initial setup, my guitar tech said, "This is a very well made guitar".

I'm certain you'll be happy with either.
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#2847159 - 04/05/17 12:34 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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I went through this debate for months myself, and ultimately decided to go for Lollars in the thin body semi-hollow. I should be receiving this instrument by next Wednesday.
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#2847413 - 04/06/17 11:50 AM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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@Mark,

What did you buy?
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#2847438 - 04/06/17 01:38 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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Fred, sorry, it might have been missed as it was in an unrelated thread.

I have an Eastman 486T-RB Ray Benson Signature Model on the way. I tried the regular 486T and found it the best neck I've ever played on a thinline, but the pickup choice was a tough call and was mostly "in my head" theory on likely application as well as more contrast with my other humbuckers.

My plan is to use this guitar for 50's/60's and even 70's vibe stuff that I write, where I want a bit of twang when I dig in but not when I don't. Almost a Gretsch Dynasonic or Hi-Lo Tron sound.

I've got an excellent Les Paul Custom Shop '57 Gold Top reissue, and if I had the dough I'd buy a Gibson ES-295 reissue (in red), but for now I have the P-90 version of the new Yamaha RevStar.

So my thinline with low-wound humbuckers is "sort of" meant to stand in for Ricks, certain Casino-style models and even some Gretsches, etc. as opposed to being more of a 335 clone.

The Lollar pair is somewhat unusual and maybe not his best known pickups. I forget the names so you can find them at Eastman's site or at Sweetwater, AMS, or other vendors that have good detailed spec sheets.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (04/06/17 01:38 PM)
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#2848452 - 04/10/17 11:02 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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It arrived on Friday at the office while I was working from home. Unboxed today at the office but couldn't plug in and didn't have a pick. Will get it inspected by my techie on THU.

The fingerboard (ebony) doesn't seem as nice as on the vanilla T486 I saw locally (the one with a hardtail and standard SD JB/59 PUPS). It may be because the action is too low and the strings too small of a gauge for a guitar like this (as well as being rounds vs. flats), but I didn't feel the same player connection either.

Hopefully once it's inspected, set up, and better strings, as well as having a plectrum and also an amp to plug in, this thing will earn its keep. I'll probably be able to report on it either THU night or FRI.
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#2848453 - 04/10/17 11:08 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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We will be standing bye and anxiously awaiting your review! Hope she's a winner! thu
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#2848474 - 04/11/17 04:35 AM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Larryz]
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Congrats! Eastman makes nice guitars.

As Bro. Larry said, we'll be looking forward to your comments.

ENJOY!!!
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#2850654 - 04/20/17 12:11 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Fred_C]
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My guitar tech feels the Lollar pickups are too polite and lacking personality, but I was in heaven when I got home and plugged into the clean channel of my Mesa Royal Atlantic.

Very versatile pickups that can go anywhere from super-clean and clinical to Gretsch twang and grunge.

Glad I got these over the Seth Lover pickups. My techie prefers Suhr's thunderbolt pickups, or whatever they're called.
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#2850662 - 04/20/17 12:42 PM Re: Seth Lover - Pickups [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Glad to hear you are in love with those LOVERS! It's great when you find the pups that make you a happy camper! love thu
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