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#2841822 - 03/15/17 06:37 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: tarkus]
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Me to Guitarist: "Maybe you should tilt or raise your amp to your ear level"
Guitarist to Me: "What?"

Me to Guitarist: "I have headphones if you want to tune-up before we go on."
Guitarist to me: "Thanks, but I need to get my tone"

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#2841823 - 03/15/17 06:40 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: tarkus]
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"I can't hear myself, can you turn me up?"

Joking aside, Chuck's substance abuse wins in this thread for me. I restrict myself to a half-pint of beer before a gig. A full pint and I can feel my playing slip.

Cheers, Mike.
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#2841825 - 03/15/17 06:45 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: tarkus]
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"We're a jam band"

"We're not a (put band name here) tribute, but we do play a lot of their songs"

"We're gonna do another Cold Play song, because the chicks dig Cold Play"

Me: "I'm pretty sure Roadhouse Blues doesn't end in an Emaj crescendo/collision"
Bandleader: "That's the way everyone does it"

"You should put an organ bed in that part"

"He's a really good singer but tends to play harmonica on every song, but you'll get used to it."

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#2841826 - 03/15/17 06:47 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: tarkus]
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"What key is this in?" (as he looks into the suitcase of harmonicas between every song)

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#2841827 - 03/15/17 06:51 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
Name-dropping.

I'd forgotten that one. Right on.
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#2841828 - 03/15/17 06:57 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: stoken6]
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Love the examples in this thread. Here are a few more I've heard ...

"Can we gig every weekend, and practice maybe once a month? We are so good."
"Are you sure we need a soundcheck? Sounded fine during rehearsal."
"Do I need to soundcheck at the same time as the rest of the band ... or can I get a special exemption because ...?"
"I just love how we played XYZ song at the gig the last time. It was nothing like the way we planned it. Maybe we rehearse too much?"
"Just between you and me, my voice sounds much better when I have had a few. I feel like my pitch is better too. I take a few shots in the ladies room. Don't tell the rest of the band."
"My second cousin's step daughter's uncle says he is getting married. I met him over the Thanksgiving break. So we have a very important wedding gig in three months. Not sure of date, price or logistics but you can count on it!"
From a bass player. "I don't know the song, but I think I've heard it. Don't worry. Just call it. I'll fake it. They won't hear the difference as long as we keep good time."

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#2841829 - 03/15/17 07:01 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Wastrel]
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lol

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#2841831 - 03/15/17 07:02 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: tarkus]
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Mine look to all have been mentioned.

"We do the songs exactly like the original artists"
re: PA "We'll get something scrounged up by the first gig"
re: gigs "Well, we have to get enough songs learned first before we can get gigs"
re: songs "We're still working on the first group of songs, they aren't tight enough yet. It's only been a few months."

Unfortunately that pretty much describes several projects I sat through for WAY TOO LONG when I got back into playing. I had forgotten just how fast a good band (where everyone actually learns their parts) can get up to gigging form...damn fast, or should be.

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#2841836 - 03/15/17 07:09 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Stokely]
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Originally Posted By: Stokely
Mine look to all have been mentioned.


re: PA "We'll get something scrounged up by the first gig"

This is usually followed by:
"Do you have room in your truck, van, suv?"

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#2841847 - 03/15/17 08:22 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: J. Dan
We're going to play Journey, Kansas, Foreigner, etc, but not stuff like "Don't Stop Believin" and "Carry On"...EVERYBODY does those, we're going to do the cool stuff like "Dixie Highway" and "Song for America" - Nobody plays those.

Me: "Um, there's a reason why nobody plays them"
Them: "Aw man those songs are awesome, it'll be totally cool"
Me: "yeah, it'll be cool in your basement until you get on stage and the 20 people who show up stand there and stare at you like WTF? There's a reason why all the bands play the POPULAR tunes"


We play Dixie Highway wink


And I bet you do Dont Stop Believin too. wink
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#2841850 - 03/15/17 08:33 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: Tonysounds
Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: J. Dan
We're going to play Journey, Kansas, Foreigner, etc, but not stuff like "Don't Stop Believin" and "Carry On"...EVERYBODY does those, we're going to do the cool stuff like "Dixie Highway" and "Song for America" - Nobody plays those.

Me: "Um, there's a reason why nobody plays them"
Them: "Aw man those songs are awesome, it'll be totally cool"
Me: "yeah, it'll be cool in your basement until you get on stage and the 20 people who show up stand there and stare at you like WTF? There's a reason why all the bands play the POPULAR tunes"


We play Dixie Highway wink


And I bet you do Dont Stop Believin too. wink


Well, yeah, but only in D Minor...the saddest of all keys smile
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#2841851 - 03/15/17 08:35 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Tonysounds]
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The guitarist is convinced he can't get his tone without ear-damaging volume.

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#2841866 - 03/15/17 09:14 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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Club managers:
"If you have bass in the mix we are going to have to ask you to shut down" (It's reggae??? happened last week..I raised hell after that with the agent)

When subbing in with an unfamiliar band:

"Don't worry about a rehearsal, we can show you everything onstage"
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#2841906 - 03/15/17 10:43 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
I just shared this on FB, Tim. It really hits home.

Here's my biggest Red Flag. The word "pro," as in "we're all pro's [sic] with 20 years of experience" or "pro gear."

I have never seen a real professional musician say they were a "pro" in order to find other musicians, whether in an ad (pros don't need ads, they already know people), or just talking to people.

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#2841933 - 03/15/17 11:50 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: timwat
I just shared this on FB, Tim. It really hits home.

Here's my biggest Red Flag. The word "pro," as in "we're all pro's [sic] with 20 years of experience" or "pro gear."

I have never seen a real professional musician say they were a "pro" in order to find other musicians, whether in an ad (pros don't need ads, they already know people), or just talking to people.


Yeah you see that on all the craigslist ads.
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#2841939 - 03/15/17 12:00 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Outkaster]
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Yeah, now that my music time is 100% paying projects, I just don't have bandwidth for labor-of-love, all-originals or someone else's vision kind of things. There's nothing wrong with those gigs, it's just not in the cards for me at the moment.

I've basically given myself until after things settle down after my wedding to dive back into my OWN originals project, which I back-burnered for the sake of focusing on more important things.

So when I devote time to a labor-of-love, it will be to finally do my own recording.

Now, I'm also reminded this board has players from every genre, experience level, musical income level, notoriety and fame. So I try to be careful not to pee on musical opportunities that other board members are really into (that aren't my cuppa').

But for me, yeah, if it's not my own vanity project, right now it's gotta pay. And if we have to rehearse a lot, it's really gotta be worth it.
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#2841955 - 03/15/17 01:04 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: timwat]
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But for me, yeah, if it's not my own vanity project, right now it's gotta pay. And if we have to rehearse a lot, it's really gotta be worth it.


Agree totally, but will add that if they point me to some mp3 files of their project and I am totally blown away at their inventiveness and taste then I would reconsider.

That hasn't happened yet. So for me its been 'How much does the gig pay?"
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#2841956 - 03/15/17 01:16 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
...not in the cards for me at the moment...

...after things settle down...focusing on more important things...

...labor-of-love...

...right now...


Red flags.

wave grin wink
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#2841957 - 03/15/17 01:19 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: drawback]
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Originally Posted By: drawback
Originally Posted By: timwat
...not in the cards for me at the moment...

...after things settle down...focusing on more important things...

...labor-of-love...

...right now...


Red flags.

wave grin wink



I got two words for ya:

Nord. Lead.
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#2841990 - 03/15/17 02:57 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: timwat]
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Guitarist: "I don't care if the Crusaders play streetlife with a B7, I'm playing Ebm7 there and I'm pulling rank cos' it's my band".
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#2842003 - 03/15/17 03:43 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Dave Keys]
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Majority of guitar players I work with: " Who are the Crusaders?"

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#2842033 - 03/15/17 05:29 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: TommyS]
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Artist: we're doing all the songs on my CD in the show
Musical Director: we're doing the songs from the last show
Artist: all the songs will be in the same key as the CD
MD: we've never played any of these songs before so we don't know the keys
Drummer: we can't do that song, it's too complicated
Artist: all the recordings were done with backing tracks but I play this one on the guitar like this
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#2842045 - 03/15/17 06:27 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: John Tweed]
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These are all good. I was going to jump into the Journey discussion, i'm 100% in agreement with Dan on avoiding like a plague any band that is committed to NOT playing hits. But we all know Escape plays every hit. Every tribute needs a few B-sides to fill out a full show, but the outlier aside if its a truncated set list, those are the first ditched. Don't Stop Believing is the most frequent closing song of seasoned Journey tribs for a very good reason - its their biggest song.

If a band is to play but one Journey song, that is the song to play. don't even discuss a band that doesn't get that fact.

But then ... then I saw TimW's. I love TimW's plan to have much MORE TIME for new music projects AFTER the marriage the best smile

if any guy can pull that off ... he's the one. I'm not betting against him.
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#2842063 - 03/15/17 08:26 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MotiDave]
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Runner up, from 2001: After I placed my keyboard amp at head level, next to my rig.
Guitarist, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen".
Had to really bite my tongue after hearing that.




Edited by allan_evett (03/15/17 08:49 PM)
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#2842065 - 03/15/17 08:40 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: TommyS]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Keys
Guitarist: "I don't care if the Crusaders play streetlife with a B7, I'm playing Ebm7 there and I'm pulling rank cos' it's my band".


Originally Posted By: TommyS
Majority of guitar players I work with: " Who are the Crusaders?"


"....And what's a minor 7?"
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#2842066 - 03/15/17 08:41 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave

But then ... then I saw TimW's. I love TimW's plan to have much MORE TIME for new music projects AFTER the marriage the best smile


I thought EXACTLY the same thing. "Love you, bud, but good luck with that..."
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#2842067 - 03/15/17 08:44 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: allan_evett]
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Tim, married guy speaking here. 35 years, most of them good smile My woman is incredibly strong, as yours appears to be.

Invest in your marriage. Even if it means backing off the music thing for a bit. You can always come back later. As I did.

Just sayin'

-- Chuck
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#2842068 - 03/15/17 08:52 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: cphollis]
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1. More than one guitarist, lead or not.
2. Amps pointed at their ankles.
3. Can't tell the difference between Dm and Gsus (Song: All Right Now. Solution? "Just don't play anything there.")
4. Studio rent for the place the bandleader keeps his gear, sometimes on his own property.
5. Lead singer has a cowbell.
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#2842070 - 03/15/17 08:55 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: cphollis]
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My mid gig conversation with a bandleader about one of the club's huge and painfully loud, powered PA cabinets, which was placed in the back center of a very small stage. (The other speaker was in the typical place - to one side of the stage, facing outward).

Bandleader: "No way the owner will move that speaker. He's got to have it there for his jam nights. And anyway I was going to ask you to move back and center a little more for the next gig here"
Me: "That would be even worse. The speaker was giving me a major headache, and I was starting to feel nauseous...."
Bandleader: "But you'll be able to hear your keys and the vocals much better"
Me: "I have an amp for my keys, and you run a monitor send to it. And like I said, the speaker's volume was making me feel a bit sick"
Bandleader: Well, I really don't like that amp up there; we could use the space.... Look, maybe this isn't the right room for you"

I corrected the bandleader, not too long after that gig, and informed him it just wasn't the right band for me..



Edited by allan_evett (03/15/17 08:57 PM)
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#2842071 - 03/15/17 09:02 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Ledbetter]
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Originally Posted By: Ledbetter
1. More than one guitarist, lead or not.
2. Amps pointed at their ankles.
3. Can't tell the difference between Dm and Gsus (Song: All Right Now. Solution? "Just don't play anything there.")
4. Studio rent for the place the bandleader keeps his gear, sometimes on his own property.
5. Lead singer has a cowbell.


1. I have conquered more than a few dual guitar bands. I just play circles around them, and they usually back down. Sorry, this is my space guys. I can do more with my fingers than you can do with yours. Especially when I can play signature guitar parts better than you.

If they don't accommodate, I leave.

2. Hah! Tonight I introduced a decent guitarist to the whole concept of "amp stand". I brought one for him. He was blown away, and thanked me deeply. A revelation to him. Glad I could help.

3. Yeah. People who've never been exposed to music theory and ear training tend to munge chords badly. You see it all the time on crappy internet tabs. If they're willing, I show them a better way. If they don't appreciate that, I leave.

4. Economics are tough. I try to understand that people do the best they can with what they have. Better than playing in the wife's living room and getting the stink eye.

5. MOAR COWBELL!!!
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