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#2841666 - 03/14/17 02:50 PM Red Flags--What Are Yours?
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You know, those little things that pop up that let you know a gig is going to be a challenge.

Here are a couple of mine. What are yours?

"We are really easy-going people, you'll see." = Strap in, every note is going to be too loud, every song is going to be too new, and they will want you to play for an extra two hours for free.

"Can I have a little reverb in the monitor?" Spoken by a female singer, this guarantees a pitch-fest of epic proportions, with bonus rock-star syndrome for extra points.

"We like to really open stuff up." Spoken by a rock guitarist, this means, "I will solo endlessly in each song, while you hold down the groove that is on the album."

"We're going to slow it down now." = Please get me off this gig, then kill me, and the order is not important.
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#2841670 - 03/14/17 03:03 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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After they sent you the set list and said we do everything just like the CD.....

"Oh, we do the live version of this one"

"Oh, yeah, we do our own version of this (so that the guitar player can play the majority of parts in what was a keyboard heavy song)"

"BTW, we do this one in a different key"
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#2841672 - 03/14/17 03:04 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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When joining a new band....

"We practice every Thursday"
"We don't have any gigs booked yet"
After practicing the same songs for 6 months:
"Let's go through the 'New Songs'"
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#2841673 - 03/14/17 03:14 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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#2841675 - 03/14/17 03:25 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Michael Wright]
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Rehearsing any burn out songs I get paid to play every week.


Edited by JohnH (03/14/17 03:25 PM)

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#2841676 - 03/14/17 03:30 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: JohnH]
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We're going to play Journey, Kansas, Foreigner, etc, but not stuff like "Don't Stop Believin" and "Carry On"...EVERYBODY does those, we're going to do the cool stuff like "Dixie Highway" and "Song for America" - Nobody plays those.

Me: "Um, there's a reason why nobody plays them"
Them: "Aw man those songs are awesome, it'll be totally cool"
Me: "yeah, it'll be cool in your basement until you get on stage and the 20 people who show up stand there and stare at you like WTF? There's a reason why all the bands play the POPULAR tunes"
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#2841677 - 03/14/17 03:38 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
We're going to play Journey, Kansas, Foreigner, etc, but not stuff like "Don't Stop Believin" and "Carry On"...EVERYBODY does those, we're going to do the cool stuff like "Dixie Highway" and "Song for America" - Nobody plays those.

Me: "Um, there's a reason why nobody plays them"
Them: "Aw man those songs are awesome, it'll be totally cool"
Me: "yeah, it'll be cool in your basement until you get on stage and the 20 people who show up stand there and stare at you like WTF? There's a reason why all the bands play the POPULAR tunes"


We play Dixie Highway wink
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#2841679 - 03/14/17 03:51 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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"Two more lads?" "Yeah sure"

After that

"Shall we ask them for a couple more ladies and gentlemen?"

"No that's it, we all have homes to get to and work in the morning"

"Boooo!"

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#2841680 - 03/14/17 04:00 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: b3boy]
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First rehearsal, some guy hanging around?? idk Later he is introduced as our manager.
facepalm .......... I be outta there! hitt
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#2841682 - 03/14/17 04:01 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: J. Dan
We're going to play Journey, Kansas, Foreigner, etc, but not stuff like "Don't Stop Believin" and "Carry On"...EVERYBODY does those, we're going to do the cool stuff like "Dixie Highway" and "Song for America" - Nobody plays those.

Me: "Um, there's a reason why nobody plays them"
Them: "Aw man those songs are awesome, it'll be totally cool"
Me: "yeah, it'll be cool in your basement until you get on stage and the 20 people who show up stand there and stare at you like WTF? There's a reason why all the bands play the POPULAR tunes"


We play Dixie Highway wink


How did I know you were going to chime in on that? LOL. It's a bit different when you're a Journey Tribute.
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#2841691 - 03/14/17 04:53 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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"We have two guitarists - and both are capable of playing leads!"
(I know this has been posted before, but I actually had this said to me recently. I went to the audition anyway. Sucked, big time.)
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#2841695 - 03/14/17 05:09 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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"Oh, we don't play the part with the keyboard solo. Nobody listens to them anyway."

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#2841703 - 03/14/17 05:32 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: The Real MC]
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#2841704 - 03/14/17 05:33 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: The Real MC]
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To keyboard player:
I don't think your part is quite right
reply: Well......perhaps if we played the correct changes???
idea
Oh and the coup de gras......we've never had a keyboard player before.
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#2841706 - 03/14/17 05:37 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Michael Wright]
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#2841711 - 03/14/17 05:54 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan


How did I know you were going to chime in on that? LOL. It's a bit different when you're a Journey Tribute.


I tried really hard not to comment.. but it didn't work smile

To your point though, even as a tribute, we have to be careful at which shows we bring out some of the deeper/lesser known tracks.

A 90 minute Festival set is going to be greatest hits.

"An evening celebrating the music of Journey" will be greatest hits and selected cool tracks like Dixie Highway, Higher Place, Lovin You is Easy, etc..
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#2841717 - 03/14/17 06:36 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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When after sound check the rest of the band disappears, until they're eventually located in the drummer's van passing a bottle.

Umm... it's gonna be a loose night.


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#2841740 - 03/14/17 08:15 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: Bill H.]
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Name-dropping.
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#2841750 - 03/14/17 09:28 PM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
Name-dropping.


This!
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#2841776 - 03/15/17 03:32 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: KeyMoe]
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Me: Um, pretty sure that's a C major 7, not a C7.

Them: [blank stares]

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#2841777 - 03/15/17 03:34 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: johnchop]
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"We play Hush in Ab"....cos that's the first note...

Or, for a recent audition....the guitarist is dropped off by his girlfriend, then has to leave early cos she is now back and ready to pick him up....
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#2841779 - 03/15/17 03:55 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: johnchop]
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Originally Posted By: johnchop
Me: Um, pretty sure that's a C major 7, not a C7.

Them: [blank stares]


This, so much. Sounds so snobby, but I always wonder how no one else in the band seems to notice the horrible clash of that b7. Always seems to be keyboard players who notice first, or even at all.
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#2841780 - 03/15/17 03:57 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: RobP2]
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#2841782 - 03/15/17 04:27 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: RobP2]
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Originally Posted By: RobP2
"We play Hush in Ab"....cos that's the first note...

Or, for a recent audition....the guitarist is dropped off by his girlfriend, then has to leave early cos she is now back and ready to pick him up....

Well at least he got there!
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#2841783 - 03/15/17 04:28 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: DanL]
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#2841787 - 03/15/17 04:41 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: drawback]
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Red Flag: when the want ad goes on about how they want a "committed team member", "not a hired gun", "a team player without other musical obligations", and so forth, but without any mention of what the keyboard player receives in return (hey, those guys are legends in their own minds, so just being around them should be reward enough, right?).

Here's a hint: I commit to the person or band that pays me commitment money. If you want me always available for your project, you're gonna have to pay me for those gigs I am turning down to be committed to you.
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#2841792 - 03/15/17 05:12 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: BbAltered]
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So many red flags out here, it's hard to list them all.

Drummers who lose time in the middle of a song. Guitarists who need to be reminded to tune. "Mustang Sally" or "Brown Eyed Girl" on the set list. Musicians who don't understand the difference between C6 and Am7. Substance abuse. Any form of attitude. Pointless rehearsals. No gigs.

The list goes on and on.
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#2841793 - 03/15/17 05:16 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: cphollis]
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When band leader tells you that bride only wants cocktail piano for 45 minutes so you'll only get $75 (and by the way they want the piano out in that field in the sun.)
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#2841800 - 03/15/17 05:41 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: 16251]
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Wow! Now I know what it's like to play with a real keyboard player. I've never played with one before. You are an awesome musician!
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#2841820 - 03/15/17 06:33 AM Re: Red Flags--What Are Yours? [Re: J. Dan]
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