AnotherScott Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The VR-09 has a really nice sounding patch "BluesHarp" - a harmonica reminiscent of songs like "Isn't She Lovely", "That's Why They Call It The Blues", "And When I Die"... Is this patch anywhere other than the VR-09? Is it in the DS? I couldn't find it in the Integra7. You can hear it at It also has a cool behavior thing where you can strike hard and it will slide up to the note. Nice for that extra expressivity when you can't spare another hand. The VR-09 also has a harpsichord sound I like, HarpsiDouble, which likewise I was surprised to not-find on the Integra7. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenner13 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I think the Fantom X has a similar velocity setting on one of its Harmonicas, but the stock amp sim is not as convincing as the VR09, IMHO. I'm sure one could probably do some effects editing in the Fantom to get it very close. I am also surprised that this is not found in the Integra7. I'm terrible at clav and harpsichord, so haven't paid much attention to those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Does anyone know if the (non-organ) VR-09 sounds are in the DS? Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 There is a similar one on my JUNO-G called Green Bullet. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 These are stock harmonica sounds in the FA series: 247 Harmonica Harmonica 248 Harmo Blues Harmonica 249 BluesHarp Harmonica 250 Hillbillys Harmonica I've never used any of them so I can't attest to their quality. My S70XS had one that bent up with velocity. Quote Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 These are stock harmonica sounds in the FA series: 247 Harmonica Harmonica 248 Harmo Blues Harmonica 249 BluesHarp Harmonica 250 Hillbillys Harmonica I've never used any of them so I can't attest to their quality. Thanks. But all the FA sounds are in the Integra, and I just double-checked those sounds in the Integra in case I'd missed it, and nope, none of them have quite the same timbre as the one in the VR, and none have the velocity bend. Surprising, not just that I can't find these things in the Integra, but that the VR patch sounds better than anything in the Integra! I did find a different but similarly good harmonica sound in the Kronos, though. Haven't a clue how to program a velocity bend into it, but I'm sure it must be able to do it. Maybe time to learn. My S70XS had one that bent up with velocity. Interesting. The S70XS has (IIRC) the same sound set as the Motif XS (plus additional piano); the MOXF has the same sounds as the Motif XS (plus many more)... and I just checked my MOXF and could not find a harmonica with a velocity bend. Hmm! Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sd Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 and I thought something (else) was wrong with me. I had VR-09 for a few months before swapping it out for an FA-06. I absolutely loved the harmonica sound on the VR-09. It absolutely nailed the harmonica solo in Long Train Runnin. Band mates always complimented me on it. Until the FA came along and no matter what harmonica sound I use it sounds like crap. I've tried screwing around with PCM parameters but can't get anywhere close to the harmonica on the VR-09. Would pay good money to replicate on the FA-06. Wondering if the VR harmonica was a supernatural patch not included in the FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 On the Integra-7 SN-A PRST 0163 Harmonica SN-A PRST 0164 Southern SN-A PRST 0165 Blues Reed PCMS PRST 0247 Harmonica PCMS PRST 0248 Harmo Blues PCMS PRST 0249 BluesHarp PCMS PRST 0250 Hillbillys PCMS PRST 0829 Harmonica XV On the Kronos, go to OSC ==> OSC1 Pitch ==> Pitch (AMS: Velocity; Intensity ) Busch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gg22 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 My S70XS had one that bent up with velocity. Interesting. The S70XS has (IIRC) the same sound set as the Motif XS (plus additional piano); the MOXF has the same sounds as the Motif XS (plus many more)... and I just checked my MOXF and could not find a harmonica with a velocity bend. Hmm! I think on S90XS it's called "Campfire" or something. It has aftertouch bend programmed, not velocity. That's why you couldn't find it in MOXF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 On the Integra-7 SN-A PRST 0163 Harmonica SN-A PRST 0164 Southern SN-A PRST 0165 Blues Reed PCMS PRST 0247 Harmonica PCMS PRST 0248 Harmo Blues PCMS PRST 0249 BluesHarp PCMS PRST 0250 Hillbillys PCMS PRST 0829 Harmonica XV Yup, I tried all those, none of them are as the same as (or IMO as good as) the harmonica in the VR-09. On the Kronos, go to OSC ==> OSC1 Pitch ==> Pitch (AMS: Velocity; Intensity ) Thanks, but I tried it and it is not what I'm looking for. What that does is, if you hit a key hard, it plays a different pitch (determined by the Intensity). What the VR-09 harmonica does is, if you hit a key hard, say a D, you'll still get the D you aimed for, except instead of playing it straight, it will do a little glide up to the D. I can pretty much duplicate the effect on the Kronos if, before striking the key, I bring the joystick to the left, then strike the key and release the joystick. Maybe that helps describe what I'm trying to get it to do. It feels more natural to me doing it with velocity than the stick, but also, it doesn't take another hand! BTW, the Kronos harmonica sound I'm using is PRG I-D 817 Harmonica Dyna-Wah. I don't like it as much as the Roland sound overall, but the wah is a nice touch. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 My S70XS had one that bent up with velocity. ... I think on S90XS it's called "Campfire" or something. It has aftertouch bend programmed, not velocity. That's why you couldn't find it in MOXF. Ah, that explains it! Thanks! Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 and I thought something (else) was wrong with me. I had VR-09 for a few months before swapping it out for an FA-06. I absolutely loved the harmonica sound on the VR-09. ... Would pay good money to replicate on the FA-06. Wondering if the VR harmonica was a supernatural patch not included in the FA? At least based on Roland's info, the VR-09 has no SN tech except for the organ. And the sound appears to not be in the Integra either, which not only has the largest set of SN sounds, but also has the XV-5080 sounds, all the SRX sounds, and another extensive set of updated PCM sounds. I thought I had the entire set of Roland rompler sounds from the last 20 years or so in the Integra, but apparently not! I'm thinking I might try to sample it into my Kronos. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Interesting feature with the velocity sensitivity. Can't you toggle portamento with velocity on the Kronos to get this? Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 Interesting feature with the velocity sensitivity. Can't you toggle portamento with velocity on the Kronos to get this? I don't think so, because the bend is always from nearby (within a whole step), whereas with portamento, you could be bending from a point much further away, depending on the last note you played. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Interesting feature with the velocity sensitivity. Can't you toggle portamento with velocity on the Kronos to get this? I don't think so, because the bend is always from nearby (within a whole step), whereas with portamento, you could be bending from a point much further away, depending on the last note you played. ah ok. maybe there are two sample layers. One with the bend and one without...? Otherwise I also do not know how to get this. Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 ah ok. maybe there are two sample layers. One with the bend and one without...? Otherwise I also do not know how to get this. Yeah, that might be the easiest way for me to get the effect... sample the VR09 into the Kronos, where its highest velocity layer is, well, the patch struck with high velocity (which will trigger the bend sound). I assume the VR itself is creating the effect on the fly "synthetically" rather than using a separate sample, and there may well be a way to duplicate that effect on the Kronos, but this should work, and it would probably take me less time to sample the VR than to figure out how to do it on the Korg. ;-) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Answering the question I posed in the OP... YES, this sound is in the Juno DS. I think it is a Fantom-derived sound, which is an improved soundset compared to the XV-5080 soundset which is the basis of the non-Supernatural acoustic instrument sounds of the Integra and FA. (The Integra also has an extra set of "HQ PCM" sounds you can load, I don't know where those are derived from, but the Fantom sounds I was looking for weren't there either.) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazKeys Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 and I thought something (else) was wrong with me. I had VR-09 for a few months before swapping it out for an FA-06. I absolutely loved the harmonica sound on the VR-09. It absolutely nailed the harmonica solo in Long Train Runnin. Band mates always complimented me on it. Until the FA came along and no matter what harmonica sound I use it sounds like crap. I've tried screwing around with PCM parameters but can't get anywhere close to the harmonica on the VR-09. Would pay good money to replicate on the FA-06. Wondering if the VR harmonica was a supernatural patch not included in the FA? Yes I also use it on that tune. Really convincing blues harp and fun to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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