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#2829424 - 01/19/17 11:11 AM DSI Rev 2
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I thought this could use it's own thread.

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Edited by vonnor (01/19/17 11:11 AM)
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#2829428 - 01/19/17 11:22 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: vonnor]
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Yes it certainly deserves its own thread.

More info, specs, etc:

https://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/rev2/

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#2829455 - 01/19/17 12:42 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: #%$(#]
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$1999.

Pretty good value given that the P08 was selling for $1799 a year ago ..and here you get twice the polyphony, extensive effects, and some architecture enhancements.
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#2829467 - 01/19/17 01:17 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: Sam Mullins]
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Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
$1999.

Pretty good value given that the P08 was selling for $1799 a year ago ..and here you get twice the polyphony, extensive effects, and some architecture enhancements.


...and no line lump.
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#2829473 - 01/19/17 01:28 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: wineandkeyz]
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mine has a wall wart, but essentially the same thing. Agree about the value. Plenty of KC'ers who don't like the Curtis filter, but I have had my Prophet '08 PE keyboard for 8 years, never had a problem. Run it through a Lexicon MX-200 studio or if I take it out through a Earthquaker Devices Avalanche Run. Don't know if I will be upgrading (probably not) but this keyboard should sell well. thu
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#2829480 - 01/19/17 02:09 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: davedoerfler]
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#2829485 - 01/19/17 02:15 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: davedoerfler]
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Wha? Oh this is very cool. Thanks for starting it's own thread. I've been in the DeepMind12 woods for quite some time and haven't been paying attention to the NAMM thread.
Hmmmm...my DM12 might have a replacement in a few months, or perhaps a companion. Uh-oh, bitten by the analog bug. Please, nobody suggest any modular stuff to me. crazy
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#2829500 - 01/19/17 03:07 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: brenner13]
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NAMM-folks -- tell me about the Rev 2 action. Is it like the Prophet 6/OB-6?

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#2829516 - 01/19/17 03:33 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: dsetto]
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If they had put the filter chain from the Pro 2 in it instead of the Curtis filter, I would not be able to resist.

Very nice specs!
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#2829523 - 01/19/17 04:03 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: mate stubb]
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This culprit on the horizon probably caused the Prophet 08 price drop. wink cool
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#2829545 - 01/19/17 05:47 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: wineandkeyz]
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Originally Posted By: wineandkeyz
Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
$1999.

Pretty good value given that the P08 was selling for $1799 a year ago ..and here you get twice the polyphony, extensive effects, and some architecture enhancements.


...and no line lump.


Are you sure?

Quote:
Includes power supply for 110V – 240V AC operation (13-15 VDC, 600 mA).

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#2829551 - 01/19/17 06:19 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: #%$(#]
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Comes in 2 versions:
8 voice: $1500
16 voice: $2000

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And yes, a real AC receptacle- no ext pwr sup.

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#2829559 - 01/19/17 07:02 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: #%$(#]
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Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
Originally Posted By: wineandkeyz
Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
$1999.

Pretty good value given that the P08 was selling for $1799 a year ago ..and here you get twice the polyphony, extensive effects, and some architecture enhancements.


...and no line lump.


Are you sure?

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Includes power supply for 110V – 240V AC operation (13-15 VDC, 600 mA).


I was just going by the photo on their website that shows an IEC connector.
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#2829567 - 01/19/17 07:41 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: wineandkeyz]
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It says specifically in the video that it has an internal power supply (at 2:30).


Edited by J. Dan (01/19/17 07:42 PM)
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#2829568 - 01/19/17 07:42 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: wineandkeyz]
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Dave talks about it around 2:30 in the video up top – no more wall wart.

Dan beat me to it!


Edited by Ross Ward (01/19/17 07:42 PM)
Edit Reason: Beat to the punch!

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#2829625 - 01/20/17 02:41 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: Ross Ward]
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Behringer will hate this.

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#2829630 - 01/20/17 04:34 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: TomKittel]
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Awesome announcement- my nipples are hard!

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#2829631 - 01/20/17 04:37 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: TomKittel]
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I don't know why Behringer would hate this. The Deepmind seems more like a souped up Juno 106. It's what, half the price? They'll sell a bunch of them. The DSI is more of a pro level instrument in my opinion.
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#2829642 - 01/20/17 05:23 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: DanL]
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Oh man, this thing is almost my perfect polysynth*! Now will anyone want my P08 rack?

* for that kind of money
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#2829760 - 01/20/17 11:58 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: MorayM]
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Seriously GASsing for this now.
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#2829928 - 01/21/17 06:44 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: David R]
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NAMM attendees: Could you ask DSI if Rev 2 has true bypass of effects?

Thank you.

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#2829946 - 01/21/17 08:37 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: DanL]
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I don't know why Behringer would hate this. The Deepmind seems more like a souped up Juno 106. It's what, half the price? They'll sell a bunch of them. The DSI is more of a pro level instrument in my opinion.


I think you're right about Behringer selling a ton of DM12 and the Rev 2 being more of a pro-level instrument. But.. I think Tom also has a point.

If Behringer is planning a flagship analog to top the DM12 they will have to dig down deep to compete with the Rev 2. Add 4 more voices, another octave, a higher quality build, etc to the DM-12 and they will probably be pushing $1500. For $500 more I think a lot of people would opt of the Rev 2. Just my 2 cents and worth exactly that. smile

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#2829949 - 01/21/17 08:41 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: #%$(#]
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This thing sounds Yuge.
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#2830072 - 01/21/17 06:40 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: CEB]
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Two words: Sweet Spot. The last few years have seen some impressive tools come along, but even the downright skeery Prophet 12 didn't quite speak to me personally. This one, though... yeah, I'd make the leap. In my way of working, it would sit to one side like a secret weapon, for many of the more organic things that tend to come from hardware, not quite touchable with samples. I had a pair of Prophets years ago, so that sound is in my bones. It feels capital-R Right. I was drawn to the Prophet-6, but for me, the REV 2 has far bigger shoulders. Now I have to wrestle with this vs. some key new software and an iguana.
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#2830081 - 01/21/17 08:35 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
If they had put the filter chain from the Pro 2 in it instead of the Curtis filter, I would not be able to resist.

Very nice specs!


Well, the filter is what it is since the Prophet 08 and the REV2 as well are basicly "synths on a chip",- like the Oberheim Matrix-1000, using the CEM 3396 "synth on a chip" was.

The chip used in several DSI synths is the Curtis PA397,- a repack of the CEM 3396 in surface mount format.

Itīs very easy creating analog polysynths w/ this chip.
The solution, for a manufacturer, is cheap and effective.

I wonīt say itīs bad or sounds bad,- itīs all matter of taste at the end of the day, isnīt it ?

OTOH, "synth on a chip" was never what we expected soundwise from real flagship analog synths in the past.
Who had the cash bought Prophet-5 or Prophet T-8 as also Oberheim OBX, OBXa, OB-8, Matrix-12 and/or Xpander,- before jumping on a Matrix-1000.

I dunno whatīs inside a Prophet-6,- but there might be a difference ... (I hope there is !).

Now when comparing to the "kind of Juno clone" Behringer DM12, the filter is soundwise the more interesting,- at least for me.

Juno 6, 60 and 106 all had pretty much the same filter design.

Juno 6 and Juno 60:
4x OTA integrated in IR3109 (IC),- like Jupiter-8 !
My MKS80rev4 had the same filter too, so I know how it sounded.

Juno 106:
4x OTA in a 80017a chip which is very similar to the IR3109.

It seems thatīs what "inspired" the designers of the DM12,- or is closely modelled, so to say.

IMO, the Behringer DM12 will definitely sell to those loving the "rolandish" filter sound while DSI REV2 will sell to those who prefer more polyphony over sound for a lower price and/or prefer that Curtis filter sound coming from that "synth on a chip".
It seems there are some out there who do.

Another reason might be the lower price vs. the Prophet-6.

But I also imagine, who doesnīt own a vintage Prophet 5 and prefers buying new over buying used expensive vintage and can afford,- he will still buy a Prophet-6 and will be satisfied w/ 6 analog voices.

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#2830089 - 01/21/17 09:30 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: David Emm]
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even the downright skeery Prophet 12 didn't quite speak to me personally.


The P12 is kind of unique in the whole DSI lineup. The oscillators aren't just digitally controlled... they ARE digital. Plus there's a lot of very complex modulation options. It's a sound designer's dream, but it is also harder to program than a straight-up analog. Some people love the P12 for it's complexity, others want something more "immediate".. which is what I think the Rev 2 is going to provide.

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#2830092 - 01/21/17 10:40 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: #%$(#]
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"synth on a chip" was never what we expected soundwise from real flagship analog synths in the past.
...
I dunno whatīs inside a Prophet-6,- but there might be a difference ... (I hope there is !).


Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
The P12 is kind of unique in the whole DSI lineup. The oscillators aren't just digitally controlled... they ARE digital. Plus there's a lot of very complex modulation options. It's a sound designer's dream, but it is also harder to program than a straight-up analog. Some people love the P12 for it's complexity, others want something more "immediate".. which is what I think the Rev 2 is going to provide.


There's a good chart at
https://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp-...-3.0.pdf?a7b05e

If you want discrete analog (non-Curtis) filter and also analog oscillators, the only options there are Prophet 6 or the OB6.

As for figuring out which ones are more "immediate" and which are more "deep", a shortcut for that might be just looking at how many mod sources/destinations, LFOs, and envelopes there are...?
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#2830102 - 01/22/17 03:58 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I think all the DM12 would need is to be bitimbral and add an octave for no more than another $500 to be more than competitive.
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#2830165 - 01/22/17 11:32 AM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: J. Dan]
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I think all the DM12 would need is to be bitimbral and add an octave for no more than another $500 to be more than competitive.


It wonīt last for long and weīll see more and different designs.
Itīs just only the beginning.
Not only Behringer will come up w/ something bigger, DSI will too, Iīm sure.
Itīs easy,- p.ex. take a wider case, put in an 61-keys synth action and 2 of the sound engine boards piggy bag style,- and w/ some firmware/OS update youīll have a machine for bi-timbral splits and layers and twice the polyphony.
Kind of JX-10/MKS-70 where you found 2x JX8P inside.
Same would work for the DSI/Sequential Prophet-xx and DSI Oberheim OB-xx.

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#2830173 - 01/22/17 12:01 PM Re: DSI Rev 2 [Re: Al Coda]
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