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#2829719 - 01/20/17 09:42 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Based on the spec page, the only SuperNatural sounds specifically listed in the RD-2000 are piano, EP, and clav. Oddly, not even the "Virtual Tone Wheel Organ" is listed as SN, though I can't imagine it isn't using some variation of the same modeling system they use on other boards and have been using really even before they were calling it SN.

Other than those, it only talks about PCM sounds, which are their pre-SN sampled sounds.

OTOH, there is some ambiguity because of this paragraph elsewhere on the web site:

"Rolandís SuperNATURAL technology provides highly expressive Virtual Tone Wheel organs, modern and vintage synths, clavinet, orchestral strings, brass, and many other sound types. "

So maybe there are other SN sounds in there, it's not entirely clear. I'd still be very surprised if it included the entire SN sound library, though.

The main piano sound was excellent, I presume it was the V-Piano derivative. I think it will give the Montage piano a run for its money (although I probably prefer the Montage) and as Dave mentioned, the finger-to-ear connection is fantastic. The Rhodes were very full and fat sounding, and integrated well with the effects. The APs and EPs, along with the eight MIDI zones appear to be the main reason for getting this axe. I didn't hear a lot of the SN sounds, but perhaps I needed to dig deeper. Quite frankly, I was not that impressed with many of the other sounds (e.g., organs, brass), although the strings were nice. One of the folks in my group felt the other sounds were consistent with the JV variety. I'll try to see if I can get a straight answer from someone over there regarding how many Jupiter-80/Integra sounds are included or can be loaded-in. But at first blush, this does not appear to be a RD + full-fledged Integra or JP-80 keyboard.

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#2829721 - 01/20/17 09:51 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: CEB]
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The VR700, VR760 and VR09, none of these allow you to send the organ to its own output. I hope after three failed attempts to allow this they got it right on the RD2000. Waiting for an owners manual to understand whether or not Roland finally got that right.....
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#2829724 - 01/20/17 09:58 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Delaware Dave]
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The VR700, VR760 and VR09, none of these allow you to send the organ to its own output. I hope after three fail attempts to allow this they got it right on the RD2000. Waiting for an owners manual to understand whether or not Roland finally got that right.....

Yup. And all it requires is the ability to create a user preset that pans one sound left and the other sound right, so it shouldn't require any additional hardware. (Though that approach may require you to disable effects like stereo reverb... it's still better than nothing.)
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#2829757 - 01/20/17 11:44 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Just spoke with the Roland RD-2000 guy. If I understood him correctly, only the SN acoustic sounds (i.e., from the Integra/JP-80) are featured in the RD-2000, but I'm still not sure how many. He did say more/other SN sounds designed for the RD-2000 will be available via download, so reading between the lines, I'm not sure how populated the RD-2000 is with SN sounds at the moment. I then asked if any of my JP-80 sounds could be loaded into the RD-2000 and he said that the JP-80 sounds come from a "different engine." I apologize for any inaccuracy/ambiguity in this report, but the implicit, take-away message (at least initially) is that you may need to get a RD-2000 and a JP-80 or Integra to get the full compliment of sounds.
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#2829793 - 01/20/17 02:48 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Yup. And all it requires is the ability to create a user preset that pans one sound left and the other sound right, so it shouldn't require any additional hardware.
hmmm, this could be the board I'm looking for. 76 keys with the vr700 keybed..... twothumbs
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#2830054 - 01/21/17 04:55 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Delaware Dave]
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I'm interested in seeing how this contrasts with the new Korg Grandstage. The 2000 is more nerve-center-minded, whereas the Korg is pretty clearly a more sophisticated SV-1 upgrade. There's an interesting Venn diagram crossover going on. The RD-2000 is so capable, it reminds me of David Sancious praising the Peavey DPM-C8 master controller, which offered multiple pedal jacks for running external hardware. I get the feeling that a lot of RD's will be cropping up anywhere that can pay the freight. Its definitely a 10-year-plus love affair waiting to happen. drool All it needs is a DeepMind12 on top and you're good to go! hitt
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#2830143 - 01/22/17 09:35 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: David Emm]
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I'm interested in seeing how this contrasts with the new Korg Grandstage. The 2000 is more nerve-center-minded, whereas the Korg is pretty clearly a more sophisticated SV-1 upgrade. There's an interesting Venn diagram crossover going on. The RD-2000 is so capable, it reminds me of David Sancious praising the Peavey DPM-C8 master controller, which offered multiple pedal jacks for running external hardware. I get the feeling that a lot of RD's will be cropping up anywhere that can pay the freight. Its definitely a 10-year-plus love affair waiting to happen. drool All it needs is a DeepMind12 on top and you're good to go! hitt





If it has all the super naturall sounds from the jp80/fa/integra7. Then all it needs are the super naturall synth sounds from those series to.. then it would definately blow the Nord stage of its socks at that price...

Also would have loved to see aftertouch and d-beam..


I have heard some arpeggio's on the demo's... can anyone confirm there are arpeggio's inside the RD2000? (Not just drum but more like the FA series ). Having arpeggio's for every voice would make it even compete with the Yamaha Montae..
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#2830150 - 01/22/17 10:05 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Bachus]
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If it has all the super naturall sounds from the jp80/fa/integra7. Then all it needs are the super naturall synth sounds from those series


The JP80, FA, and Integra 7 are substantially different on what SuperNatural (non-synth) sounds they have. The JP80 has a lot, the Integra has the most, and the FA has only a few.
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#2830255 - 01/22/17 04:58 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2830256 - 01/22/17 04:59 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2830289 - 01/22/17 07:20 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Sounds great, but too heavy for me. I'll stick with the CP4.
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#2830300 - 01/22/17 08:12 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Al Quinn]
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SuperNATURAL = marketing gimmick. I've never been impressed with any Roland "supernatural" sound on their boards.
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#2830311 - 01/22/17 08:44 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Polkahero]
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Originally Posted By: Polkahero
SuperNATURAL = marketing gimmick. I've never been impressed with any Roland "supernatural" sound on their boards.


Its definately not a marketing gimmick... its a combination of sampling and physicall modeling... now you might not like the sounds, thats another question, but it is definately not a marketing gimmick, but the description of a sound engine..
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#2830312 - 01/22/17 08:47 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Bachus]
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They're not the only company combining samples and physical modeling though. Do they own a patent on this?
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#2830327 - 01/22/17 11:27 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Bachus]
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I have heard some arpeggio's on the demo's... can anyone confirm there are arpeggio's inside the RD2000?
What Scott Tibbs played are not arpeggios in the sense of having an arpeggiator on board; but single patches where a powerful feature of the sound engine, called the Step LFO, is used. You can modulate the pitch of the four voices with a predefined 16-step sequence. But you cannot hold a chord and expect it to arpeggiate that chord.
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#2830440 - 01/23/17 12:45 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
I have heard some arpeggio's on the demo's... can anyone confirm there are arpeggio's inside the RD2000?
What Scott Tibbs played are not arpeggios in the sense of having an arpeggiator on board; but single patches where a powerful feature of the sound engine, called the Step LFO, is used. You can modulate the pitch of the four voices with a predefined 16-step sequence. But you cannot hold a chord and expect it to arpeggiate that chord.


So if you hold down two notes, it'll play the same 16-note sequence for both of them simultaneously?

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#2830446 - 01/23/17 01:10 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: RABid]
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My only concerns would be if the V-Piano engine is tweakable, like on the original V-Piano, and whether or not the PHA-50 action would pass the "Angry Young Man" or "Spider Fingers" tests. If so, I'd definitely be interested in this board.
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#2830484 - 01/23/17 03:36 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: NonDairy]
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So if you hold down two notes, it'll play the same 16-note sequence for both of them simultaneously?
Yep. Or only one of them if the patch is set to monophonic.
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#2830710 - 01/24/17 11:31 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: marczellm]
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I talked to Roland's tech support. The V-Piano in the RD-2000 IS a V-Piano not the HP - LX piano. He also said that the V-Piano in the RD-2000 will have less adjustments then the original V-Piano.
He also mentioned that the RD-2000 Integra-7 sounds were almost exclusively keyboard sounds.
The RD-2000 is be available in March.
The videos mentioned that there was 10 tones in the V-Piano section.

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#2830761 - 01/24/17 02:43 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster1]
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Roland RD-2000 Stage Piano
Stage Revolution

Equipped with two independent sound engines, premium action, and advanced controller features, the Roland RD-2000 delivers unmatched performance on stage and in the studio. Blending evolved piano technologies with extensive modern control, this next-generation instrument takes the industry-standard stage piano series to new levels of inspiration and creativity.>

Performance Powerhouse

The RD-2000 is a dream come true for the performing keyboardist. It features dual sound engines that power our best acoustic and electric pianos ever, plus the finest action weíve ever put in a stage piano. Thereís a massive selection of top-quality ensemble sounds to cover any musical task, as well as two wave expansion slots for adding even more sounds. And with its innovative modern interface, the RD-2000 is the perfect master controller for working with todayís software-based instruments on stage.

Gorgeous Acoustic Pianos Powered by V-Piano Technology

In a word, the RD-2000ís acoustic piano sounds are magnificent. Incorporating Rolandís very latest piano technologies and long-running V-Piano research, the acoustic voice is incredibly natural, responsive, and richly detailed. The dedicated acoustic engine features full-keyboard polyphony, allowing you to realize authentic piano performances without absolutely no compromises.

Historic Electric Pianos

Via a second SuperNATURAL-based sound engine, the RD-2000 gives you access to a wide range of classic electric pianos from the Ď60s, Ď70s, and Ď80s. Included are newly developed recreations of the RD-1000 (the very first RD stage piano) and MKS-20 sound module from the 1980s. Driven by Rolandís milestone SA technology, their unique musical voices are instantly recognizable from that eraís hit records. Vintage effects are also on hand for processing your EPs, including the famous BOSS CE-1 Chorus and Roland SDD-320 Dimension D. Visit our special RD history page for more background on these and other classic instruments and effects, plus sound demos of the recreations found in the RD-2000.

Superb Playability

The PHA-50 progressive hammer-action keyboard with escapement is the ideal platform for playing the RD-2000ís responsive acoustic and electric pianos. This innovative keyboard features hybrid keys constructed of wood and molded materials, combining classic feel with rugged durability. Together with Rolandís advanced sensor mechanism and hammer-action design, the PHA-50 delivers authentic grand piano touch thatís right at home under your fingers.

Designed for the Stage

With its intuitive interface, navigating the RD-2000 during live performances is a breeze. Eight knobs and nine sliders provide instant control for sounds, effects, and more, and the knobs feature LED indicators for precise adjustment with instant visual feedback.

Zones and Scenes

The RD-2000 features eight assignable zones that allow you to map sounds to different key ranges, or create combination sounds with up to eight layers. And with the new Scene function, you can save 100 different snapshots of the entire keyboard setup and recall them with a quick button touch while performing.

Bender and Wheels

Equipped with Rolandís classic pitch/mod lever and two modulation wheels, the RD-2000 provides expressive options for any performance style. The dual wheels are useful for detailed sound adjustment on external synths, and are independently assignable per program.

Powerful Encoder Knobs

The RD-2000ís dynamic encoder knobs bring a new level of control to your live performances. LED indicators show the current knob value at a glance, even on the darkest stages. They also respond to velocity, allowing you to execute precise edits with slow movements and quickly move through tones and parameters with fast movements.

Ensemble Sounds for Every Genre

In addition to its world-class pianos, the versatile RD-2000 includes over 1100 additional sounds for covering any style of music with just one keyboard. Rolandís SuperNATURAL technology provides highly expressive Virtual Tone Wheel organs, modern and vintage synths, clavinet, orchestral strings, brass, and many other sound types. At Rolandís Axial sound website, youíll find even more sounds to load into the RD-2000ís two wave expansion slots, including selections from previous RD instruments. And if youíre stepping up from the RD-800, youíll be pleased to know that all your Live Sets are fully compatible with the RD-20

Command and Control

The RD-2000 offers the most extensive controller features of any RD piano to date, making it the perfect solution for commanding a large-scale setup. With the ability to seamlessly integrate internal sounds, software-based instruments, hardware sound modules, and more, the RD-2000 is mission control for the most advanced stage shows.

Connect with DAWs and Performance Software

Via the RD-2000ís USB audio/MIDI interface, itís easy to integrate software instruments with a studio DAW or a laptop running your favorite host software on stage. You can control soft synths with zones along with internal sounds, and route their audio through the RD-2000 to create a powerful hybrid rig. The interface supports 24-bit audio at rates up to 192 kHz, allowing you to access your highest quality sounds.

High-Res Control with RAINLINK

The RD-2000 supports Rolandís newly developed RAINLINK protocol, which provides high-resolution velocity control for compatible software instruments. This ability is particularly effective for deriving the subtlest tonal nuances out of supported software-based pianos.

Flexible Audio Outputs

With its versatile outputs, the RD-2000 is ready to connect with any stage or studio setup. Main stereo outs are provided on XLR and ľ-inch jacks, and thereís also a sub output that allows you to route internal sounds and USB audio independently.

Built for Professional Performers

Combining the traditional RD-series appearance with elements of the V-Piano, the RD-2000 embodies both tradition and innovation. Itís designed from the ground up with the working pro in mind, with careful consideration of details regarding the interface workflow, sound organization, and physical layout of connectors, switches, knobs, and sliders.

Light and Durable

While the RD-2000ís feature upgrades are significant, its weight hasnít changed from the previous RD generation. Itís still easy to transport from gig to gig, and the aluminum body is both handsome and extremely durable.

Extensive Foot Controletail: Pedal

The RD-2000ís four pedal inputs can be configured for damper pedals, expression pedals, and more. A DP-10 pedal is included for damper pedal operation. The optional RPU-3 provides a real grand piano pedaling experience, combining three pedals into one compact unit.

Matching Stand

For solid support on stage or in the studio, the optional KS-G8 stand is a perfect match for the RD-2000. It features an open design for a sleek look, plus durable steel piping and rigid bracing to ensure maximum stability. The KS-G8 folds for easy transport, and its height can be adjusted for sitting or standing positions.

Specifications

Next-generation RD stage piano with two independent sound engines and modern controller features
Dedicated acoustic piano sound engine with the latest Roland advancements provides authentic, richly detail tone with full polyphony
Second SuperNATURAL-based sound engine with 128-voice polyphony for electric pianos and additional sounds (compatible with RD-800 Live Sets)
Eight knobs with LED status indicators and nine sliders for real-time control of sounds and effects
Eight fully assignable zones for combining internal sounds and external sources (including software instruments)
PHA-50 keyboard features hybrid wood and molded construction for premium touch and lasting durability
Classic electric pianos on board, including Rolandís legendary RD-1000 and MKS-20
Recreations of vintage analog effects, including the BOSS CE-1 Chorus, Roland Dimension D, and more
Over 1100 non-piano sounds, including organs, strings, brass, synths, and many others
Two wave expansion slots for loading additional sounds from Rolandís Axial website, including sounds from previous RD-series pianos
100 Scene memories for saving and recalling setups with one touch
Traditional Roland pitch/mod lever and two assignable wheel controllers
24-bit/192 kHz USB audio/MIDI interface with support for high-resolution RAINLINK velocity control

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#2830785 - 01/24/17 05:09 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster1]
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This acoustic piano sound speaks well solo, at least that's the impression I'm getting even from this less than optimal video.
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#2830797 - 01/24/17 06:55 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yeah , it's really, really good ! Within 5 seconds of playing the thing you know they got it right . cool

If you're cool with the 48 lb. schlep and are a piano player - I can't see you not liking this keyboard. wink
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#2830799 - 01/24/17 07:36 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Dave Ferris]
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What's it take to get the V-piano engine paired with the Avant Grand action? Or, at least the Kawai GF. But it would weigh a ton. Need to see how this PHA-50 feels - 47lbs 14oz. Dang, do I want to go there?
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#2830809 - 01/24/17 08:15 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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What's it take to get the V-piano engine paired with the Avant Grand action?

A MIDI cable and a bunch of money.
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#2830812 - 01/24/17 08:34 PM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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You said it.

Pianoteq owners... how's it compare to what Roland has been working on with V-Piano? or Physis? If modeling is coming of age and it's going to surpass multi gig sample libraries, one can hope Yamaha and Korg have a horse in this race.
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#2830840 - 01/25/17 12:30 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The disappointment for me is with the non-piano sounds, which are largely same old-same old.

2.5k is a lot of dough for an incremental piano update that most of the audience won't be able to discern (this is a stage piano after all)

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#2830857 - 01/25/17 05:45 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Marillo]
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I'm actually glad they are focusing more on piano sounds and not the extras. There are enough controller features to connect it to a rack unit.
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#2830872 - 01/25/17 07:30 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Marillo]
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The disappointment for me is with the non-piano sounds, which are largely same old-same old.

2.5k is a lot of dough for an incremental piano update that most of the audience won't be able to discern (this is a stage piano after all)

True that the non-piano sounds are nothing new. But the V-Piano sounds (purely modeled, no samples) were previously only available in instruments that were more than double the price (and had no other sounds at all). While I agree that most audience members won't be able to tell the difference, that's true about most of the stuff we buy. ;-) I think it's really about player satisfaction, and based on some reports, at least for some people, this might be the most satisfying $2500 piano you can buy (combination of action and sound). And at least the controller functions should make it easy to integrate other sounds you might like from laptop/tablet/whatever.
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#2830893 - 01/25/17 08:42 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Looks kind of cool.
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#2830918 - 01/25/17 10:28 AM Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Outkaster]
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