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#2826381 - 01/06/17 08:50 PM Challenge me! (Sound design)
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Over the last few weeks I've posted about how I have started learning how to program my own sounds rather than rely on presets designed by others.

Serendipitously, this endeavor has coincided with the sound design tutorial thread that J. Dan has proposed and started.

I would like for you to suggest some classic/iconic synth sounds from classic rock/80s/90s pop. I would choose, say, 10 from among the suggestions that sound different from each other, and consider it a personal challenge to come up with reasonable approximations without help.

Potentially this could serve as a learning self-evaluation / feedback tool for those following the synthesis tutorial thread if it continues.

My one requirement be that it be achievable with a basic VA / analog engine and not require and special modulation routing that would require only a specific subset of boards. (I would be trying this on a Nord Stage 2 or a Roland GAIA).

If this catches on I will hopefully post demos of my results.

Go!
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#2826385 - 01/06/17 09:13 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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please don't do Jump. cop
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#2826404 - 01/07/17 04:25 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: davedoerfler]
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Anything from Kyrie by Mr. Mister. Starting with the arpeggiated bass under the verses but I hear at least 4 different sounds even before that, in the intro. I consider these to be quite difficult.

BTW here's a similar thread I did: http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47838


Edited by marczellm (01/07/17 04:36 AM)
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#2826408 - 01/07/17 04:59 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
BTW here's a similar thread I did: http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47838


Very cool. Thanks for the share.

Originally Posted By: marczellm
Anything from Kyrie by Mr. Mister. Starting with the arpeggiated bass under the verses but I hear at least 4 different sounds even before that, in the intro. I consider these to be quite difficult


I'll have a listen but perhaps this may be too much of a challenge to start for a beginner!
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#2826418 - 01/07/17 06:42 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen" harmonica solo. We kicked this around a while ago.

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#2826420 - 01/07/17 07:37 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: ksoper]
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MJ triller that bass thing that repets it self again and again
that sound like a frog


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#2826423 - 01/07/17 08:03 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Ensenada Guide]
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The hard part is after MIDI everybody went ape shit with layering instruments and sounds. Trying to pick out the layered components can be a trick.

Analog synths with high gain stages can be hard to do with modern digital stuff. Jump is actually difficult to get. The D-50 could actually do a decent job at it. Nothing with the word Yamaha on it can do it.

Obsession was another fun song from the 80s.


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#2826429 - 01/07/17 08:39 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: CEB]
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The synth sound from the intro of Rush's "The Camera Eye".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDQGkjG1FM
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#2826452 - 01/07/17 10:58 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: hurricane hugo]
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What I decided to do was try my hand at some of the synth sounds that our own Busch masterfully crafted for the Kronos in his volume 1 collection.

I think I will choose 10. I already managed to reasonably approximate three this morning.

Hugo - that includes The Camera Eye, and CEB- same for Obsession.

I will try add in the Thriller bass for fun.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will try and post a sample once they are done for your opinions/advice.



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#2826459 - 01/07/17 11:13 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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I nominate the Prophet Clav on Burning Down the House by Talking Heads,
and the solo sound on All She Wants To Do Is Dance by Don Henley.

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#2826460 - 01/07/17 11:15 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Dr88s
What I decided to do was try my hand at some of the synth sounds that our own Busch masterfully crafted for the Kronos in his volume 1 collection.


Masterful is correct! You have quite a high bar. Godspeed.

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#2826473 - 01/07/17 12:22 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)
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#2826478 - 01/07/17 12:53 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.
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#2826484 - 01/07/17 01:25 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.


It's not a synth sound in the chorus, but more like a piano of some sort (rhodes or cp70). You can clearly hear chords come in on the guitar solo after the chorus.

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#2826493 - 01/07/17 01:59 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: BernMeister]
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For clarity, what I am aiming for is a reasonable approximation of the album sound that will be instantly recognizable to the listener, but I am not striving for a perfect copy.

For Hugo, here's today's go at The Camera Eye. The important elements to me were to get the filter envelope and resonance to give the 'wow' sound, as well as the delayed sample and hold filter modulation.

Excuse the one handed playing while holding my phone to film.

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#2826498 - 01/07/17 02:42 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
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Analog synths with high gain stages can be hard to do with modern digital stuff. Jump is actually difficult to get. The D-50 could actually do a decent job at it. Nothing with the word Yamaha on it can do it....


Sorry, disagree. Had to do it... (apologies all around)

SY99 Jump Patch

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#2826499 - 01/07/17 02:51 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: DrSynth]
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I don't know. I'm pushing these speakers as hard as I can but I'm not feeling it. But you great on the front end.

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#2826508 - 01/07/17 03:43 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)


Yes, I can't tell if it's guitar and/or. I worked with a guy who pointed it out to me and he maintains it's a guitar.

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#2826536 - 01/07/17 08:23 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Ensenada Guide
MJ triller that bass thing that repets it self again and again that sound like a frog


Crazy how minute changes in some of the sliders on this one result in such profound changes. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.

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#2826538 - 01/07/17 08:48 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: BernMeister]
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Originally Posted By: BernMeister
Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.


It's not a synth sound in the chorus, but more like a piano of some sort (rhodes or cp70). You can clearly hear chords come in on the guitar solo after the chorus.

Awesome BernMeister, I'll listen for that. thu
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#2826549 - 01/07/17 09:23 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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I nominate the Prophet Clav on Burning Down the House by Talking Heads


OT

I did not know the studio version clavinet was a Prophet. I am certain the live version played by Bernie is an E7.
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#2826559 - 01/07/17 10:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
The synth sound from the intro of Rush's "The Camera Eye".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDQGkjG1FM




Did that one back in 2014. Peart air drummers may commence.


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#2826561 - 01/07/17 10:22 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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Originally Posted By: George88
Originally Posted By: WesG
If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)


Yes, I can't tell if it's guitar and/or. I worked with a guy who pointed it out to me and he maintains it's a guitar.


There's definitely four synth parts, but the one during the chorus is definitely a guitar.

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#2826595 - 01/08/17 07:10 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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The synth lead on Starsky & Hutch Season 2. Sounds like an Arp Odyssey to my ears.
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#2826626 - 01/08/17 09:51 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC

Did that one back in 2014. Peart air drummers may commence.


Love the bass pedal!
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#2826654 - 01/08/17 12:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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You did a great job on "The Camera Eye". You've got the basic timbre and the sample & hold down cold.

It's hard to tell from your audio clip, but the attack is a little bit off (it's got a bit more bite than the album, perhaps a bit more resonance). With some envelope tweaking, you'd have it 100%.
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#2826656 - 01/08/17 12:18 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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With that "Thriller" patch, you're in striking distance of also getting the "Too Much Time on my Hands" bass sound from Styx. With some envelope and filter tweaking, you'd have it.
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#2826660 - 01/08/17 01:15 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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on Thriller, although the intro pad is easy, I'd like to hear the synth horn stab that is followed by the filter sweep.
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#2826677 - 01/08/17 02:26 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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The intro to Where the Streets Have No Name.
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#2826699 - 01/08/17 04:52 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: carterrian]
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Dr88s and RealMC: thanks! smile

@carterrian: always wondered about that one. So much of the synth work/sounds on U2's '80s albums came from Brian Eno's DX-7.
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#2826704 - 01/08/17 05:14 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: The Real MC]
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Sundown,

Sincere thanks for your encouraging words and your constructive criticism.

Originally Posted By: Sundown
With that "Thriller" patch, you're in striking distance of also getting the "Too Much Time on my Hands" bass sound from Styx. With some envelope and filter tweaking, you'd have it.


It's really funny that you should mention that particular song. My newfound interest in sound programming was born only three months ago when I could not find an adequate sound for the bass synth in that song. I OBSESSIVELY searched for a compatible sound before giving up and designing it myself in the OP-X II VST, then sampling it into my Nord. In the end, I was very happy with the results, but it was ridiculous how much time I spent trying to find it elsewhere.

That's kind of when I decided that sound programming his a pretty essential skill for the well-rounded keyboardist, and resolved to learn how to do it myself and not depend on others.

Here's my version of TMTOMH, by the way.

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#2826706 - 01/08/17 05:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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For everyone else, to be clear, I am a beginner at this.
My request to be challenged was not coming from a place of confidence or braggadocio, but rather as a bit of a self-evaluation. I would have no idea how to go about synthesizing anything beyond fairly basic subtractive sounds. The 'streets have no name' intro, for example, is far beyond my capability.
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#2826714 - 01/08/17 05:57 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Dr88s, I'm sure everyone appreciates your efforts. We all benefit from either your finished product or the alternatives provided by others. I cannot praise enough your courage to do this. It is a gift to all of us!
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#2826720 - 01/08/17 06:21 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Barryjam]
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You're building a very important skill for yourself. Keep at it. thu

You'll find that programming helps you solve problems that non-programmers can't. When I build a composition, it's very rare that I don't wind up tweaking sounds to make them fit together. Best of all, some of those tweaks become extensive, and you soon have a fresh, new, unique sound for yourself.

If I *couldn't* quickly tweak sounds to make them fit, I don't know what I would do, other than live with uncomfortable compromises.
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#2826741 - 01/08/17 07:58 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Barryjam]
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Dr88s, I'm sure everyone appreciates your efforts. We all benefit from either your finished product or the alternatives provided by others. I cannot praise enough your courage to do this. It is a gift to all of us!


Thanks for the nice words. I'm not really sure how this helps anyone other than to motivate those who have been too intimidated (or lazy) to look into sound programming to roll up their sleeves and just do it! If I can, so can everyone else!
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#2826742 - 01/08/17 08:03 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: b3boy]
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The synth lead on Starsky & Hutch Season 2. Sounds like an Arp Odyssey to my ears.

I'd guess Lyricon, given it's a Tom Scott composition and the phrasing sounds like a wind controller. But I hear where you're coming from, like an Arp it has enough edge to take your head off.

Originally Posted By: Barryjam
on Thriller, although the intro pad is easy, I'd like to hear the synth horn stab that is followed by the filter sweep.


Those stabs are fairly straightforward. Sawtooth waves in octaves with filter wide open in the attack, layered with some brass section samples etc. Here's a version that is a combo of the stabs that also incorporates the filter sweep

...another SY99 quickie

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#2826748 - 01/08/17 08:18 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: DrSynth]
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Manny. Sounds great. The filter sweep is on the tail end of the initial synth brass hits?

By the way, I'd hit that E chord just slightly earlier on the "and" of the first beat, but I truly offer that as constructive, and I could be totally off.


Edited by Barryjam (01/08/17 09:15 PM)
Edit Reason: Wrong chord
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#2826759 - 01/08/17 08:57 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: DrSynth
Those stabs are fairly straightforward. Sawtooth waves in octaves with filter wide open in the attack, layered with some brass section samples etc. Here's a version that is a combo of the stabs that also incorporates the filter sweep

Manny


Your snippet sounds great.

Using your advice, here's a quick go.

It's three stacked saws. Two are an octave apart with the filter mostly open.
Because I am trying to do this completely subtractive, there are no samples. In order to stack brass as you suggested, there is a third saw, filtered, with an amp envelope and a tiny modulation envelope giving a subtle pitch modulation blip right on the attack to try simulate brass.

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#2826766 - 01/08/17 09:23 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Barryjam]
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Originally Posted By: Barryjam
Manny. Sounds great. The filter sweep is on the tail end of the initial synth brass hits?

By the way, I'd hit that B chord just slightly earlier on the "and" of the first beat, but I truly offer that as constructive, and I could be totally off.

Yeah, I did the envelopes with a little 'hold time' for the stabs then if you hold notes long enough you get the filter sweep closing down, so one patch kinda covers the two different sounds used on the original. Your S90es should do a reasonable recreation.

Originally Posted By: Dr88s
Using your advice, here's a quick go.

It's three stacked saws. Two are an octave apart with the filter mostly open.
Because I am trying to do this completely subtractive, there are no samples. In order to stack brass as you suggested, there is a third saw, filtered, with an amp envelope and a tiny modulation envelope giving a subtle pitch modulation blip right on the attack to try simulate brass.

Yep, that's the basics. Add some resonance, maybe patch the pitch blip to the octave tuned saw wave, drench in reverb...

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#2826779 - 01/09/17 12:45 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: DrSynth]
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Originally Posted By: b3boy
The synth lead on Starsky & Hutch Season 2. Sounds like an Arp Odyssey to my ears.

I'd guess Lyricon, given it's a Tom Scott composition and the phrasing sounds like a wind controller. But I hear where you're coming from, like an Arp it has enough edge to take your head off

Manny


Wow, I had never heard of such a thing until you suggested it. Had a look st the Wiki and sure enough it's down as used on S&H. Always thought it was an Arp Odyssey/2600
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#2826826 - 01/09/17 07:30 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: hurricane hugo]
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The thin burping synth in the intro (and beyond) of Rush's New World Man from Signals.

The hard sync sweep synth in the intro (and beyond) of The Fixx's One Thing Leads to Another.
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#2826830 - 01/09/17 07:39 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: vonnor]
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Originally Posted By: vonnor
The thin burping synth in the intro (and beyond) of Rush's New World Man from Signals.

The hard sync sweep synth in the intro (and beyond) of The Fixx's One Thing Leads to Another.


I love hard sync'ed sounds. My personal favorite use is in No Doubt's ''Just a Girl''. I will definitely try The Fixx one out. I'm also a big Rush fan so I'll try NWM out as well. Good suggestions.
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#2826862 - 01/09/17 09:43 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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You did a great job on "The Camera Eye". You've got the basic timbre and the sample & hold down cold.


It didn't hurt that I used two of the same instruments used in the song - OBX and Taurus pedals. The OBX has a unique filter resonance - same as the SEM module used in the Oberheim polySEMs - that has yet to be emulated.

I was surprised how well the Taurus translated to the iPod mic. I was playing through a little Barbetta amp at low volume.

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It's hard to tell from your audio clip, but the attack is a little bit off (it's got a bit more bite than the album, perhaps a bit more resonance). With some envelope tweaking, you'd have it 100%.


I didn't have an Oberheim eight voice like they used on the song so I used the OBSX. It's a preset polysynth; I used a preset that is pretty close, but resonance is not a control that is available on the front panel. Yes there's a MIDIControl accessory that permits full editing (which I now have) but it wasn't available at the time.

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#2826863 - 01/09/17 09:55 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: Sundown
You did a great job on "The Camera Eye". You've got the basic timbre and the sample & hold down cold.


It didn't hurt that I used two of the same instruments used in the song - OBX and Taurus pedals. The OBX has a unique filter resonance - same as the SEM module used in the Oberheim polySEMs - that has yet to be emulated.

I was surprised how well the Taurus translated to the iPod mic. I was playing through a little Barbetta amp at low volume.

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It's hard to tell from your audio clip, but the attack is a little bit off (it's got a bit more bite than the album, perhaps a bit more resonance). With some envelope tweaking, you'd have it 100%.


I didn't have an Oberheim eight voice like they used on the song so I used the OBSX. It's a preset polysynth; I used a preset that is pretty close, but resonance is not a control that is available on the front panel. Yes there's a MIDIControl accessory that permits full editing (which I now have) but it wasn't available at the time.


I have the feeling he was critiquing me and not you smile
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#2826983 - 01/09/17 07:04 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: vonnor]
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The thin burping synth in the intro (and beyond) of Rush's New World Man from Signals.


You probably won't be able to tell it from the video because the iPhone camera had trouble capturing the deep bass as opposed to the ambient room noise and key clicking, but I am amazed at how close I was able to get. This is fun!

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#2827007 - 01/09/17 08:43 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Synth solo on Little Feat's live version of All That You Dream? (3:48)

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#2827048 - 01/10/17 06:21 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dave Weiser]
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A couple of unusual ones:

The 80s "bell" sound at 0:54 here:



The "swooshing" noises throughout Welcome to the Machine, e.g. 1:24: Panning effect is optional - I can't remember if the Gaia can do it!

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#2827104 - 01/10/17 09:23 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Very nice!
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#2827244 - 01/10/17 07:57 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: MorayM]
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The "swooshing" noises throughout Welcome to the Machine, e.g. 1:24: Panning effect is optional - I can't remember if the Gaia can do it!


No panning, as I am running mono and just using the ambient room sound picked up by my iPhone.

I really thought this would be easier and I'd be able to get closer. This was the best I could manage frown



Edited by Dr88s (01/11/17 03:27 AM)
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#2827245 - 01/10/17 07:59 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Synth solo on Little Feat's live version of All That You Dream? (3:48)


"video not available"
Probably county restrictions...
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#2827275 - 01/11/17 02:02 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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It's not available to me too but I found the track on Spotify.
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#2827310 - 01/11/17 07:05 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: carterrian]
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The intro to Where the Streets Have No Name.


I used to nail that intro with a Roland Alpha Juno-1 several years ago smile
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#2827330 - 01/11/17 08:47 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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The "swooshing" noises throughout Welcome to the Machine, e.g. 1:24: Panning effect is optional - I can't remember if the Gaia can do it!


No panning, as I am running mono and just using the ambient room sound picked up by my iPhone.

I really thought this would be easier and I'd be able to get closer. This was the best I could manage frown



Nicely done! Does the Gaia have 12 and 24db filter modes, that might help.
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#2827456 - 01/11/17 07:48 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: MorayM]
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Here's a good one that shouldn't take you too long - the main synth playing the theme in the intro.


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#2827462 - 01/11/17 08:09 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: MorayM]
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Nicely done! Does the Gaia have 12 and 24db filter modes, that might help.


It does, but it didn't get me any closer to the sound I wanted.
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#2827463 - 01/11/17 08:12 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Synthaholic]
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Here's a good one that shouldn't take you too long - the main synth playing the theme in the intro.




Good choice for my purposes. Offhand that attack sounds tricky and I'm not quite sure what's going on, but the whole point of this thread is to get me to twist the knobs and manipulate those sliders to learn!
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#2827543 - 01/12/17 07:47 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Synthaholic]
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Here's a good one that shouldn't take you too long - the main synth playing the theme in the intro


Synthaholic,

This one was interesting to me. I added a small pitch envelope on the attack of the main oscillator, but then when I layered another Osc, they were (unexpectedly) out of tune and I had to adjust the pitch and fine tune of Osc2. Because I'm not playing this with others, the whole thing may be out of tune and perhaps I should have tuned each oscillator post envelope.

Good learning example.

Here's my beginner's take on it.

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#2827809 - 01/13/17 05:06 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: MorayM
Nicely done! Does the Gaia have 12 and 24db filter modes, that might help.


It does, but it didn't get me any closer to the sound I wanted.


Ah that's a shame.
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Here's a good one that shouldn't take you too long - the main synth playing the theme in the intro


Synthaholic,

This one was interesting to me. I added a small pitch envelope on the attack of the main oscillator, but then when I layered another Osc, they were (unexpectedly) out of tune and I had to adjust the pitch and fine tune of Osc2. Because I'm not playing this with others, the whole thing may be out of tune and perhaps I should have tuned each oscillator post envelope.

Good learning example.

Here's my beginner's take on it.



Very nicely done! If you're interested in that sound, there was a great thread on the Sound on Sound forums a while back dissecting the song. A lot of people seem to think that the bends were played individually, rather than on an envelope!
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#2828031 - 01/13/17 09:09 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Here's a good one that shouldn't take you too long - the main synth playing the theme in the intro


Synthaholic,

This one was interesting to me. I added a small pitch envelope on the attack of the main oscillator, but then when I layered another Osc, they were (unexpectedly) out of tune and I had to adjust the pitch and fine tune of Osc2. Because I'm not playing this with others, the whole thing may be out of tune and perhaps I should have tuned each oscillator post envelope.

Good learning example.

Here's my beginner's take on it.



Nice job! I used to have a trio - me, drummer, female vocalist - who did this song, so I also made the programming attempt, on a Quadrasynth+Piano. I dug up a few seconds of that band for my version:

CLONK
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#2828033 - 01/13/17 09:12 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: MorayM]
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Very nicely done! If you're interested in that sound, there was a great thread on the Sound on Sound forums a while back dissecting the song. A lot of people seem to think that the bends were played individually, rather than on an envelope!


That's a pretty hardcore discussion about a sound from a pretty obscure (to me, at least) song, but fascinating! Thanks for the share.
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#2828035 - 01/13/17 09:16 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Synthaholic]
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Nice job! I used to have a trio - me, drummer, female vocalist - who did this song, so I also made the programming attempt, on a Quadrasynth+Piano. I dug up a few seconds of that band for my version:

CLONK


Nice sample. Were those drums live or sequenced?
Your version understates that pitch bend/envelope, mine certainly overstates it.
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#2828036 - 01/13/17 09:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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This thread has been educational and even more importantly fun.

Any other takers?
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#2828039 - 01/13/17 09:33 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic


Nice job! I used to have a trio - me, drummer, female vocalist - who did this song, so I also made the programming attempt, on a Quadrasynth+Piano. I dug up a few seconds of that band for my version:

CLONK


Nice sample. Were those drums live or sequenced?


Live. I could hear him drop a stick or something, because the pattern changes for a few beats. Really good drummer, and an even better singer.

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Your version understates that pitch bend/envelope, mine certainly overstates it.


I'm not a good programmer, by any stretch of the imagination. I got it close, and that was good enough for me at the time. I also played this song when it first came out in 1985, and at that time I programmed it on a Roland JX-8P and it sounded closer.
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#2828071 - 01/14/17 05:26 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Synthaholic]
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I'm not a good programmer, by any stretch of the imagination. I got it close, and that was good enough for me at the time. I also played this song when it first came out in 1985, and at that time I programmed it on a Roland JX-8P and it sounded closer.


I certainly didn't mean to criticize or offend you. Programming is all new to me and is still quite perplexing.
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#2828107 - 01/14/17 08:45 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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#2828181 - 01/14/17 03:28 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
I'm not a good programmer, by any stretch of the imagination. I got it close, and that was good enough for me at the time. I also played this song when it first came out in 1985, and at that time I programmed it on a Roland JX-8P and it sounded closer.


I certainly didn't mean to criticize or offend you. Programming is all new to me and is still quite perplexing.


You didn't. I've never liked programming. I would spend hours and get mediocre results. There are so many folks who do it so well, I just buy their sounds.
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