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#2826381 - 01/06/17 08:50 PM Challenge me! (Sound design)
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Over the last few weeks I've posted about how I have started learning how to program my own sounds rather than rely on presets designed by others.

Serendipitously, this endeavor has coincided with the sound design tutorial thread that J. Dan has proposed and started.

I would like for you to suggest some classic/iconic synth sounds from classic rock/80s/90s pop. I would choose, say, 10 from among the suggestions that sound different from each other, and consider it a personal challenge to come up with reasonable approximations without help.

Potentially this could serve as a learning self-evaluation / feedback tool for those following the synthesis tutorial thread if it continues.

My one requirement be that it be achievable with a basic VA / analog engine and not require and special modulation routing that would require only a specific subset of boards. (I would be trying this on a Nord Stage 2 or a Roland GAIA).

If this catches on I will hopefully post demos of my results.

Go!
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#2826385 - 01/06/17 09:13 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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please don't do Jump. cop
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#2826404 - 01/07/17 04:25 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: davedoerfler]
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Anything from Kyrie by Mr. Mister. Starting with the arpeggiated bass under the verses but I hear at least 4 different sounds even before that, in the intro. I consider these to be quite difficult.

BTW here's a similar thread I did: http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47838


Edited by marczellm (01/07/17 04:36 AM)
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#2826408 - 01/07/17 04:59 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
BTW here's a similar thread I did: http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=47838


Very cool. Thanks for the share.

Originally Posted By: marczellm
Anything from Kyrie by Mr. Mister. Starting with the arpeggiated bass under the verses but I hear at least 4 different sounds even before that, in the intro. I consider these to be quite difficult


I'll have a listen but perhaps this may be too much of a challenge to start for a beginner!
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#2826418 - 01/07/17 06:42 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen" harmonica solo. We kicked this around a while ago.

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#2826420 - 01/07/17 07:37 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: ksoper]
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MJ triller that bass thing that repets it self again and again
that sound like a frog


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#2826423 - 01/07/17 08:03 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Ensenada Guide]
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The hard part is after MIDI everybody went ape shit with layering instruments and sounds. Trying to pick out the layered components can be a trick.

Analog synths with high gain stages can be hard to do with modern digital stuff. Jump is actually difficult to get. The D-50 could actually do a decent job at it. Nothing with the word Yamaha on it can do it.

Obsession was another fun song from the 80s.


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#2826429 - 01/07/17 08:39 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: CEB]
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The synth sound from the intro of Rush's "The Camera Eye".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDQGkjG1FM
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#2826452 - 01/07/17 10:58 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: hurricane hugo]
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What I decided to do was try my hand at some of the synth sounds that our own Busch masterfully crafted for the Kronos in his volume 1 collection.

I think I will choose 10. I already managed to reasonably approximate three this morning.

Hugo - that includes The Camera Eye, and CEB- same for Obsession.

I will try add in the Thriller bass for fun.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will try and post a sample once they are done for your opinions/advice.



Edited by Dr88s (01/07/17 10:58 AM)
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#2826459 - 01/07/17 11:13 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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I nominate the Prophet Clav on Burning Down the House by Talking Heads,
and the solo sound on All She Wants To Do Is Dance by Don Henley.

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#2826460 - 01/07/17 11:15 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Dr88s
What I decided to do was try my hand at some of the synth sounds that our own Busch masterfully crafted for the Kronos in his volume 1 collection.


Masterful is correct! You have quite a high bar. Godspeed.

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#2826473 - 01/07/17 12:22 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)
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#2826478 - 01/07/17 12:53 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.
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#2826484 - 01/07/17 01:25 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.


It's not a synth sound in the chorus, but more like a piano of some sort (rhodes or cp70). You can clearly hear chords come in on the guitar solo after the chorus.

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#2826493 - 01/07/17 01:59 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: BernMeister]
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For clarity, what I am aiming for is a reasonable approximation of the album sound that will be instantly recognizable to the listener, but I am not striving for a perfect copy.

For Hugo, here's today's go at The Camera Eye. The important elements to me were to get the filter envelope and resonance to give the 'wow' sound, as well as the delayed sample and hold filter modulation.

Excuse the one handed playing while holding my phone to film.

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#2826498 - 01/07/17 02:42 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
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Analog synths with high gain stages can be hard to do with modern digital stuff. Jump is actually difficult to get. The D-50 could actually do a decent job at it. Nothing with the word Yamaha on it can do it....


Sorry, disagree. Had to do it... (apologies all around)

SY99 Jump Patch

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#2826499 - 01/07/17 02:51 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: DrSynth]
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I don't know. I'm pushing these speakers as hard as I can but I'm not feeling it. But you great on the front end.

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#2826508 - 01/07/17 03:43 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)


Yes, I can't tell if it's guitar and/or. I worked with a guy who pointed it out to me and he maintains it's a guitar.

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#2826536 - 01/07/17 08:23 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Ensenada Guide
MJ triller that bass thing that repets it self again and again that sound like a frog


Crazy how minute changes in some of the sliders on this one result in such profound changes. This is what I came up with in about ten minutes.

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#2826538 - 01/07/17 08:48 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: BernMeister]
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Originally Posted By: BernMeister
Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: WesG
(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)

It's been a while since I've played this song, but I do recall hearing synth on the chorus. It's hard to pick out because part of it doubles the vocal line. I think it is a similar patch, if not the same, as the lead.


It's not a synth sound in the chorus, but more like a piano of some sort (rhodes or cp70). You can clearly hear chords come in on the guitar solo after the chorus.

Awesome BernMeister, I'll listen for that. thu
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#2826549 - 01/07/17 09:23 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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I nominate the Prophet Clav on Burning Down the House by Talking Heads


OT

I did not know the studio version clavinet was a Prophet. I am certain the live version played by Bernie is an E7.
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#2826559 - 01/07/17 10:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
The synth sound from the intro of Rush's "The Camera Eye".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDQGkjG1FM




Did that one back in 2014. Peart air drummers may commence.


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#2826561 - 01/07/17 10:22 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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Originally Posted By: George88
Originally Posted By: WesG
If you want to start simpler, do "Just What I Needed". I use four patches, could probably get away with fewer.

(Speaking of JWIN, does anybody hear synth in the chorus? I can't make up my mind if I do or not)


Yes, I can't tell if it's guitar and/or. I worked with a guy who pointed it out to me and he maintains it's a guitar.


There's definitely four synth parts, but the one during the chorus is definitely a guitar.

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#2826595 - 01/08/17 07:10 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: George88]
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The synth lead on Starsky & Hutch Season 2. Sounds like an Arp Odyssey to my ears.
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#2826626 - 01/08/17 09:51 AM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC

Did that one back in 2014. Peart air drummers may commence.


Love the bass pedal!
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#2826654 - 01/08/17 12:17 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Dr88s]
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You did a great job on "The Camera Eye". You've got the basic timbre and the sample & hold down cold.

It's hard to tell from your audio clip, but the attack is a little bit off (it's got a bit more bite than the album, perhaps a bit more resonance). With some envelope tweaking, you'd have it 100%.
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#2826656 - 01/08/17 12:18 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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With that "Thriller" patch, you're in striking distance of also getting the "Too Much Time on my Hands" bass sound from Styx. With some envelope and filter tweaking, you'd have it.
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#2826660 - 01/08/17 01:15 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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on Thriller, although the intro pad is easy, I'd like to hear the synth horn stab that is followed by the filter sweep.
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#2826677 - 01/08/17 02:26 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: Sundown]
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The intro to Where the Streets Have No Name.
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#2826699 - 01/08/17 04:52 PM Re: Challenge me! (Sound design) [Re: carterrian]
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Dr88s and RealMC: thanks! smile

@carterrian: always wondered about that one. So much of the synth work/sounds on U2's '80s albums came from Brian Eno's DX-7.
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