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#2826252 - 01/06/17 08:23 AM Bought another XP30 - again
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I jumped in on a little used XP30 in mint condition (from the US of A) for $700 - I need a spare as my Genesis rig depends on it - luckily this one includes the Keys of the 60s/70s board already.
I sold my first spare thinking I wouldn't need it now I think I do........ crazy
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#2826254 - 01/06/17 08:26 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Cool little board. I used one on a musical show. Had a JV1080, but sold it. Regret that as well actually.
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#2826256 - 01/06/17 08:28 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: RudyS]
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Used to love that Keys of the 60s/70s board in my JV1010 then XV3080.

Does it still sound OK in comparison to more modern synths e.g. Kronos?

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#2826259 - 01/06/17 08:33 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
I jumped in on a little used XP30 in mint condition (from the US of A) for $700 - I need a spare as my Genesis rig depends on it - luckily this one includes the Keys of the 60s/70s board already.
I sold my first spare thinking I wouldn't need it now I think I do........ crazy


Ha, I saw that listing and immediately thought of you. It seemed to be in good shape and already had the most important expansion board. smile
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#2826264 - 01/06/17 09:11 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Bill W]
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Had an XP50 and XP80. Loved the feel of those keyboards. Very fast synth action.
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#2826272 - 01/06/17 09:31 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: RABid]
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#2826431 - 01/07/17 08:47 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
Used to love that Keys of the 60s/70s board in my JV1010 then XV3080.

Does it still sound OK in comparison to more modern synths e.g. Kronos?

No doubt the purists will listen side by side and insist the Kronos is better, but I think many of the simple wave forms can't be improved on.
The internal FX on this board are great and the RMI in particular is excellent.
Nothing wrong at all with the Mellotrons either.
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#2826432 - 01/07/17 08:47 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Bill W]
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Originally Posted By: Bill W
Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
I jumped in on a little used XP30 in mint condition (from the US of A) for $700 - I need a spare as my Genesis rig depends on it - luckily this one includes the Keys of the 60s/70s board already.
I sold my first spare thinking I wouldn't need it now I think I do........ crazy


Ha, I saw that listing and immediately thought of you. It seemed to be in good shape and already had the most important expansion board. smile

You know me too well Bill! like
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#2826447 - 01/07/17 10:43 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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I had an XP50 years ago. I remember it as having a very squishy and light-action keyboard but I was used to it. When I switched to a laptop rig a little over ten years ago, I wanted some kind of backup. I found a JV1010 on Ebay for around $150. Anyone wanting the nostalgia of the JV soundset for a minimum amount of money should consider this piece if they can find one. It has the "Session" expansion card sounds built-in (that was their current top-of-the-line acoustic piano) plus a single expansion card slot. I had four cards in my XP50 so I put the "keyboards of the 60s & 70s" card in the JV1010. I still bring the JV in my accessory case to my local gigs but only needed it twice in the last ten years. I should probably check to see that the battery hasn't gone dead and dumped all my patches!

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#2826455 - 01/07/17 11:05 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Reezekeys]
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XP-80 was my long time upper tier board for over 10 years - I'd even use it to accompany horns/reeds or singer when feeling lazy due to it's lightweight (compared to my S90ES). Excellent synth action. But I let it go last in the summer and replaced it with the VR-700. I miss it for some things.

Agreed, I recommend...
SR-JV80-08 KEYBOARDS OF THE 60's & 70's
SR-JV80-04 VINTAGE SYNTH

I still have a JV-2080 in my studio rack.
It has the Orch 1&2 boards and the Asia board.
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#2826468 - 01/07/17 11:57 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I picked up a Roland XP80 a short while ago as a backup. However, I don't have a need for the expansion boards. For anyone interested, I've posted them for sale in the KC classified listed here.

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#2826501 - 01/07/17 03:12 PM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: BernMeister]
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Congrats. like

Loved the old XP30. Great utility synth which blends well and complements lots of rigs. Was fortunate to have an XP50 at home and would do the sound programming, then simply load into the XP30 at the venue. Yes, I love those Roland choirs and mellotrons also.

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#2826598 - 01/08/17 07:14 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: JerryA]
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The XP-30 is the best of the Roland XP series. It was like the Kurzweil K2VX in that it came with all the expansions already in the synth, and didn't require any add-ons.

Congrats!

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#2826601 - 01/08/17 07:24 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: joegerardi]
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Not really "all" the expansion boards three of them to be exact. And it lacked the floppy drive & sequencer of the XP50/60/80 - so technically not a "workstation."

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#2826602 - 01/08/17 07:27 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: joegerardi]
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Actually the XP-30 only has "Session", "Orchestral", and "Techno" expansion cards in it's internal ROM. There are 2 expansion slots for the SR-JV80 cards.

They dropped the SEQ from the XP-80, shortened the keybed to 61keys but kept velocity and AT.
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#2826605 - 01/08/17 07:51 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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They also limited the XP-30 to a single insert effect which is why I don't own one.
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#2826624 - 01/08/17 09:36 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Bill W]
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Isn't $700 a lot of $ for a 1999 vintage keyboard? I get that it's the cat's meow, but wow! That seems steep.

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#2826641 - 01/08/17 10:55 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: wd8dky]
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Originally Posted By: wd8dky
Isn't $700 a lot of $ for a 1999 vintage keyboard? I get that it's the cat's meow, but wow! That seems steep.

Thats the going rate - seen them for $1000 in not such good shape!
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#2826642 - 01/08/17 10:56 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Bill W]
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Originally Posted By: Bill W
They also limited the XP-30 to a single insert effect which is why I don't own one.

I have one cos I don't need insert effects wave
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#2826647 - 01/08/17 11:04 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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we should all be so lucky that every board we ever picked up turns out to be popular and retains it's value! I let my XP-80 go for half that for convenience.
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#2826676 - 01/08/17 02:24 PM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
Originally Posted By: nickd
Used to love that Keys of the 60s/70s board in my JV1010 then XV3080.

Does it still sound OK in comparison to more modern synths e.g. Kronos?

No doubt the purists will listen side by side and insist the Kronos is better, but I think many of the simple wave forms can't be improved on.
The internal FX on this board are great and the RMI in particular is excellent.
Nothing wrong at all with the Mellotrons either.


Thanks, useful feedback - i do sometimes wish I'd hung on to mine for the long term...

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#2826696 - 01/08/17 04:30 PM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: nickd]
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Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.

I mean, the "Session" acoustic piano touted as a top of the line acoustic piano at the time (the entire board was dedicated to one instrument) has two velocity layers. I used it for years back in the 90s! I messed a bit with the velocity switch point and adjusted my playing dynamics and was completely satisfied with it but this was before I knew about or heard sympathetic resonance samples, key-off samples, or piano soundboard IR processing not to mention piano VIs with 8-12 velocity layers.

Again, if the particular sound of an older axe works in the context of your music, then by all means grab that JV or XP. I'll never ditch my JV1010 though it may be a long time before I fire it up again!

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#2826781 - 01/09/17 12:52 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Reezekeys]
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As mentioned the Mellotrons and RMI pianos are right up there.
Acoustic piano sampling has come a long way since then and I would never suggest they were that good (no use with 61 keys anyway).
The action and instant playability controls are as good as most these days, thats why I wanted it so no rose tints here!
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#2826791 - 01/09/17 04:39 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.


I never get this type of post. By the same extension of thought, is Emo's Monster Moog sound "old sounding?" Joe Zawinul's synth sounds? Tony Banks' palette? I mean, they used REALLY old gear. The JV-1080 is touted as having been used on more hits than any other synth; are they now throwaways?

A synth is a synth. A sound is neither "old," or "young." It simply IS, and it's what the player does with it that makes it viable or not.

..Joe
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#2826800 - 01/09/17 05:09 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: joegerardi]
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Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.


I never get this type of post. By the same extension of thought, is Emo's Monster Moog sound "old sounding?" Joe Zawinul's synth sounds? Tony Banks' palette? I mean, they used REALLY old gear. The JV-1080 is touted as having been used on more hits than any other synth; are they now throwaways?

A synth is a synth. A sound is neither "old," or "young." It simply IS, and it's what the player does with it that makes it viable or not.

..Joe

like Good observation
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#2826803 - 01/09/17 05:22 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: joegerardi]
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Sure those old Moog sounds still hold up. My comment was more specific to the JVs and other digital romplers of the 90s, and their technical limitations compared to what we have today. Of course any kind of sound can potentially work in certain contexts, like how the early rap guys used the Ensoniq Mirage for the 8-bit fuzz.

Talking about analog synths, I totally agree with you. But come on, for a typical gig cover band or the like where you need acoustic piano, tell me that today you'd rather have the Roland Session piano than a Kronos or Kurz. Really? I guess MI manufacturers don't need to waste time and money developing those nice multi-gig streaming sounds anymore just give us a few megs of short-looped samples and we'll be happy!

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#2826806 - 01/09/17 05:33 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: joegerardi]
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Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.


I never get this type of post. By the same extension of thought, is Emo's Monster Moog sound "old sounding?" Joe Zawinul's synth sounds? Tony Banks' palette? I mean, they used REALLY old gear. The JV-1080 is touted as having been used on more hits than any other synth; are they now throwaways?

A synth is a synth. A sound is neither "old," or "young." It simply IS, and it's what the player does with it that makes it viable or not.

..Joe


Fully agree with the analog synthesizer examples. These are instruments in their own right. But regarding JV2080 or XP30 we are talking about sounds which are based on digitally recorded fakes (samples) of these synths. Sampling technology has come a long way in the last twenty years. In this sense there is indeed "old" or "young" sound technology. But it still is a matter of what the player does with it of course. For my part I can't see any advantage of a vintage Roland XP synth compared to a modern Roland FA06 - except after touch. The FA also loads the old expansions if needed.

JMTC

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#2826825 - 01/09/17 07:24 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel
Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.


I never get this type of post. By the same extension of thought, is Emo's Monster Moog sound "old sounding?" Joe Zawinul's synth sounds? Tony Banks' palette? I mean, they used REALLY old gear. The JV-1080 is touted as having been used on more hits than any other synth; are they now throwaways?

A synth is a synth. A sound is neither "old," or "young." It simply IS, and it's what the player does with it that makes it viable or not.

..Joe

For my part I can't see any advantage of a vintage Roland XP synth compared to a modern Roland FA06 - except after touch. The FA also loads the old expansions if needed.

JMTC

Run that last part by me again? You can't use the JV boards.
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#2826835 - 01/09/17 08:00 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
Originally Posted By: TomKittel

For my part I can't see any advantage of a vintage Roland XP synth compared to a modern Roland FA06 - except after touch. The FA also loads the old expansions if needed.

JMTC

Run that last part by me again? You can't use the JV boards.


Not to speak for Tom, but I think he is referring to Axial, which I think provides partial coverage of the JV boards ... Is my observation accurate?

http://axial.roland.com/articles/exp-02-keys-collection/


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#2826836 - 01/09/17 08:06 AM Re: Bought another XP30 - again [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
Originally Posted By: TomKittel
[quote=joegerardi][quote=Reezekeys]Not to be a curmudgeon but I think we're looking back with slightly rose-colored glasses here! They were good sounds in their time but to think they'd stand up against what's out there now is being a little optimistic IMO. Of course, if you want that "older" sound, if it fits with your production or playing style then that's great whatever works for you.


I never get this type of post. By the same extension of thought, is Emo's Monster Moog sound "old sounding?" Joe Zawinul's synth sounds? Tony Banks' palette? I mean, they used REALLY old gear. The JV-1080 is touted as having been used on more hits than any other synth; are they now throwaways?

A synth is a synth. A sound is neither "old," or "young." It simply IS, and it's what the player does with it that makes it viable or not.

..Joe

For my part I can't see any advantage of a vintage Roland XP synth compared to a modern Roland FA06 - except after touch. The FA also loads the old expansions if needed.

JMTC
Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys

Run that last part by me again? You can't use the JV boards.


Most if not all JV boards are included in the SRX boards which again are included in the EXP-expansions on the Axial Website. All samples and patches from the JV's Keys of the 60*s and 70*s are on EXP-02: http://axial.roland.com/articles/exp-02-keys-collection/

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