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#2827318 - 01/11/17 07:55 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
This is getting as bad as the Mac vs. PC and Nord vs. Korg arguments.

"My way is the only way and if you are doing something different then you are silly, stupid and wrong."

I've never taken that approach, but without going quite that far...

Originally Posted By: RABid
a touchscreen is not more efficient than a mouse. A well placed mouse gives you a shorter reach, smaller movements, and more exact point and click.

For most functions, on a desktop, I'd agree. Perched on top of a keyboard in the middle of the performance, to select a patch or adjust a virtual control, I don't think that holds.

Originally Posted By: RABid
But like someone said, once you have your program loaded and set list pulled up, your master keyboard should be able to trigger program changes without reaching for the mouse or touchscreen.

Yes...

...IF you are willing to limit your selection of master keyboards to ones that are well suited to that function. Which rules out a lot of boards you might otherwise find desirable for other reasons (size, travel weight, action, built-in sounds, the economics of already owning it, whatever). People often have a hard enough time settling on master keyboards that do close to everything they want, and you're adding one more requirement.

...and IF you are willing to tie your use of your computer sounds to that particular master keyboard. Which, as I said, interferes with numerous other scenarios (i.e. sitting in on someone else's rig, using an emergency replacement for a board that goes down, connecting to any board that might be supplied in a backline, wanting to use some other board you may have because of some other advantage like a space constraint, whatever). Plus buying a new keyboard means programming it to do the same patch selection as your old one (or programming your laptop to remap to the patch selection of the new one), vs. just being able to plug it in and instantly operate the same as before.

And using your master keyboard for patch select generally costs you the functionality of patch selection buttons that are automatically/dynamically named with what they do. (Unless, say, your master keyboard is a Kronos.)

So there are certain trade-offs in doing patch selection only from your master keyboard. These restrictions may be fine for many people, but that doesn't mean one should expect them to be fine for everyone. Personally, if I were touchscreen averse, I'd at least be inclined to off-load patch selection to some other device that would still be independent of the keyboard controller. Maybe the Genovation box that comes up now and then.

Relying on your master keyboard for your computer patch selection really only works if you can really find an ideal (for you) controller with good patch selection functionality, AND you are willing to gig only with that controller, in all foreseeable (and perhaps unforeseeable) circumstances. That may well be true for many people, but not for everyone.



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#2827333 - 01/11/17 08:56 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Great info here!
I will check this all out at NAMM next week.
Are there any more iPad synth apps to debut at NAMM??

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#2827344 - 01/11/17 09:59 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Actually, using Mainstage in a "touch free" environment isn't as limiting, controller wise, as it may seem.

I use Mainstage primarily for fly-in gigs we do now.

Granted My Mainstage was setup using my PX5S and Arturia Keylab.

However, the way I mapped my controls, makes it usable with 99% of keyboards on the market and stocked by backline companies.

It just takes some time, and careful setup.

All I fly with is my Macbook, interface, and a couple pedals.

The few organ patches I use where I want to change drawbar settings mid song have the setting pre-mapped to the mod wheel.
I map Leslie fast/slow to the lowest key on the 88 controller.
Patch change can be done via the foot switch.

I get to the gig, fire up the two boards provided by backline, connect USB, fire up Mainstage, and away I go.

For more intensive local gigs, I can use my Arturia Keylab with its 9 sliders and bazillion knobs. Even then, for my specific gig, all possible 50 songs we might play, are very carefully set up in MS to work with pretty much any controller.

Once set up, I NEVER touch the Macbook.

Here's what the performance screen looks like. Minimalist, yet behind the scenes, is all the routing that make it universally adaptable to about any board that can be used as a controller.




As far as the iPad, I use mine once in a while, via the Alesis ioDock.

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#2827352 - 01/11/17 10:30 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

Yes...

...IF you are willing to limit your selection of master keyboards to ones that are well suited to that function. Which rules out a lot of boards you might otherwise find desirable for other reasons (size, travel weight, action, built-in sounds, the economics of already owning it, whatever). People often have a hard enough time settling on master keyboards that do close to everything they want, and you're adding one more requirement.

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Gosh. All I can think is we must have two very different ideas of a desirable stage setup. Any old big four (Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Kurzwell) workstation/ROMpler makes a great master controller. For years I used Rolands and Korgs to control racks of synths. Splits, layers, patch changes, all come up with a single press of a button. Now, Mainstage lets you do pretty much the same thing with any keyboard that will connect to the computer. It's not that hard to set up. I cannot imagine not putting out the effort to set it up.
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#2827353 - 01/11/17 10:31 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Patch change can be done via the foot switch.

And there you go... for patch selection to be independent of requiring that you also have a particular master keyboard, you need some other device. Sometimes a foot switch can do the trick. Though if you have tons of patches, and you need to be able to recall them very quickly, it may not be the best way to go. Plus an iPad-based touchscreen patch selector is a whole lot easier to fly in with than, say, a Behringer FCB1010, or even many tabletop control surfaces (which also may be hard to place, depending on what backline keyboard you're playing). If you have no more than 16 patches, a Korg nanoPAD2 might do the trick pretty easily, in a compact and cheap box. (I'm assuming that there would be a way to use its pads as Mainstage patch change buttons.) Or a NanoKontrol gives you a bunch of buttons and sliders, which is something I might want to use for reasons that have nothing to do with patch changes, but could be useful for that, too. But if you have lot of patches you need to select from (esp. more than 16), the touchscreen with its labeled buttons seems like an obvious easy, compact solution, that I see no reason to jump through hoops to avoid, especially if you already own the iPad!
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#2827361 - 01/11/17 11:19 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
Gosh. All I can think is we must have two very different ideas of a desirable stage setup. Any old big four (Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Kurzwell) workstation/ROMpler makes a great master controller.

But not everyone wants to travel with a workstation-style board. Especially when they probably don't need its other workstation functionality, and especially when you consider those boards are often heavier than many others, pricier than many others, or may not have your favorite actions, and when you're likely going to be getting most of your sounds out of Mainstage or whatever anyway. Why force someone to buy such a board, just to avoid selecting patches from a screen?

Here are some boards that people often like to gig with that would be awkward (if not impossible) to use for Mainstage patch selection, or could only be used to recall a very small number of such patches, or would require scrolling through long lists:

...virtually any slab-style weighted action 88 or similar compact piano (Yamaha P-anything, Casio PX-anything except 5S and 3, Kawai ES-100, Korg SV-1, Roland RD64 and assorted lower end FP models, assorted Numa models, etc.)

...virtually any non-Hammond clonewheel (Nord Electro series, Roland VR-09, Numa organs, don't know about Mojo...?)

Lots of people have rigs made of those or similar boards! So let's say you want a two-tier, compact, lightweight system, with actions you like, and some ergonomic organ controls, and you intend to get the rest of what you need out of Mainstage. If it weren't for Mainstage, you could pick one from each of the two groups I listed. (Well, the SV1 is kinda heavy, but still a popular choice.) But you need to call up Mainstage patches. If you don't want to operate the computer itself, or a touchscreen, you're going to need to add some other patch selection device, or choose different keyboards, right?

Sure, you could replace the slab with an 88-workstation, but it will be bigger and heavier, just to get its patch select buttons; and the lower cost, lighter weight workstations often have actions that are not as good as some of those 88s. Or you could replace the clonewheel with some other board that has that functionality with more MIDI functionality... a Kronos, a Nord Stage 2 (not the best for patch selection, itself), a Kurzweil... not that these aren't great boards, but again, you're likely to pay more, carry a heavier board, plus lose drawbars that really look and feel like drawbars. There are always compromises to be had, but why force yourself into more of them by insisting that you only select boards that can easily send Program Changes to your laptop, when you can easily skin that cat another way? I mean, if the Kronos is what you want anyway, great, go for it! But if the Numa Organ is what you prefer for your top board (and it's cheaper and lighter), there's no need to rule it out just because it doesn't send Program Changes. (Okay, you could go for an XK1C if you want a nice basic clone that can send Program Changes... though even it is somewhat limited in its ease of accessing many program changes, plus it can leave you with no board that includes pitch or mod wheels.) The point is, there are many desirable gigging boards that are poor Mainstage program selectors. Plus, ideally when going to Mainstage, you don't want to have to buy new keyboards at all, you want to use boards you already own, and again, many people already own boards that are poor for Mainstage selection.

Though again, even if you use a board that has all that program change functionality in it, sure, you can program those Mainstage changes into your workstation/rompler... but you're still vulnerable to all the other variables that can make that solution problematic (needing to swap out to a different keyboard controller at the last minute due to equipment failure, sitting in on someone else's rig, playing on any supplied backline, etc.), so even that is not always ideal, even if that's the kind of board you're using. But there are ergonomic advantages to that, too. So again, it's a matter of weighing trade-offs, and looking at the particular scenarios you think you're reasonably likely to encounter, and if you have workarounds you can use if need be.


Edited by AnotherScott (01/11/17 11:51 AM)
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#2827380 - 01/11/17 12:33 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I didn't realize that there were so many good boards that work with iPad that do not work with a notebook. I guess you are correct. iPad is the way to go. That 4 lb. MacBookPro is WAY too heavy to lug around.
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#2827386 - 01/11/17 12:58 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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I didn't realize that there were so many good boards that work with iPad that do not work with a notebook. I guess you are correct. iPad is the way to go. That 4 lb. MacBookPro is WAY too heavy to lug around.

I think you missed the point. What I was talking about here has nothing to do with iPad vs MBP. It has to do with the usefulness of touchscreen patch selection. You can get touchscreen patch selection on an iPad of course. If you want to use the MBP, you can get it by using an iPad in conjunction with your Mac using a screen mirroring/extension app (or as pointed out below, the Logic Remote app, if you're using Mainstage). If you want to use Windows, you can get it with a Surface Pro or whatever. Touch works better (or more completely) in some environments than others, but there's always a way to get it, so that you don't need to rely on keyboard/mouse OR only being able to use your rig with your one configured controller. (Or, as I said, in some cases, a footswitch or control surface may do the trick as well.) Maybe despite all the verbiage, I'm not communicating well, because I have a hard time seeing why there is so much resistance to the idea that there may actually be benefits to touch patch selection.


Edited by AnotherScott (01/12/17 05:39 AM)
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#2827387 - 01/11/17 01:00 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
I didn't realize that there were so many good boards that work with iPad that do not work with a notebook. I guess you are correct. iPad is the way to go. That 4 lb. MacBookPro is WAY too heavy to lug around.


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#2827390 - 01/11/17 01:20 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Patch change can be done via the foot switch.

And there you go... for patch selection to be independent of requiring that you also have a particular master keyboard, you need some other device.


Actually no. I just prefer the footdwitch as an alternative if a provided board isn't adaptive.

HOWEVER regarding this.

Every function that I want out of Mainstage can be programmed to ANY controller that Mainstage recognizes.

For example how on certain patches I have my Leslie speed mapped to the lowest key on my 88 note controller.

You can do the same with patch change. I've done this, and it doesn't limit my playing. Lowest key is previous patch, next white key is next patch.

Also, with Mainstage, I can reorder the set list instantly by reordering the Patch list before the show.

I have no issue if people want a touch interface like an iPad to accomplish these things. I used to use my iPad for this with both Setlist Maker and Yamaha's app.

I am simply trying to point out that Mainstage is very robust and lets you do all these things mentioned with no extra gear.
I could fly with just my MBP, and my interface.

The way I made my MS practically universal is by using the multi-assignment capability of buttons in mainstage. Most of the buttons I used can be activated 2 to 4 ways, depending on the button's desired function. For example patch change:

  • dedicated button on controller
  • keys on controller
  • footswitch
  • actual bank/program change numbers


Same with the draw bars, either the mod wheel or dedicated sliders.


Once I discovered the joy of setting up Mainstage and its ability to be controlled pretty much any way you desire, I went with that.

As Rabid said, it takes some work on the front end, but once it's all programmed, life is easy. I treat my Mainstage as simply another sound module.

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#2827392 - 01/11/17 01:29 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
For example how on certain patches I have my Leslie speed mapped to the lowest key on my 88 note controller.

You can do the same with patch change. I've done this, and it doesn't limit my playing. Lowest key is previous patch, next white key is next patch.

That's a clever solution, and of course works great for controller independence since those keys send out the exact same MIDI event no matter what keyboard you attach to. Obviously, there are still some limitations. Like, if you have 50 patches assigned to the 50 lowest white keys, you'll end up with a 3-key playable piano. ;-) Still, if you only need to access a handful of patches and have the keys to spare, that's a pretty cool idea.
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#2827398 - 01/11/17 01:57 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Firstly, because Markay seemed to have an issue with my post in this thread, let me restate; this is not directed at any specific person or post in this thread, but if you are running a laptop-based rig, and need to use a mouse to make program changes or any other adjustments during the gig (ie. between songs, or even worse during songs), then you are doing it wrong.

(Note: if you choose to interpret that statement as me saying you're silly or stupid, that's your prerogative, but I never said that. For the record. I'm judging the action, not the person. wink )

As David (EscapeRocks) has stated, all patch/controller changes should be mapped to an existing hardware control.

Hope that clears that up. wink


Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
That's a clever solution, and of course works great for controller independence since those keys send out the exact same MIDI event no matter what keyboard you attach to. Obviously, there are still some limitations. Like, if you have 50 patches assigned to the 50 lowest white keys, you'll end up with a 3-key playable piano. ;-) Still, if you only need to access a handful of patches and have the keys to spare, that's a pretty cool idea.


You misunderstood David's post, probably in the heat of battle. His example was using only two keys to do patch increment/decrement. A great solution, and incredibly easily done in Mainstage and other such platforms, if you don't have a dedicated pad controller or other such mechanism to accomplish this task.
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#2827399 - 01/11/17 02:12 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
That's a clever solution, and of course works great for controller independence since those keys send out the exact same MIDI event no matter what keyboard you attach to. Obviously, there are still some limitations. Like, if you have 50 patches assigned to the 50 lowest white keys, you'll end up with a 3-key playable piano. ;-) Still, if you only need to access a handful of patches and have the keys to spare, that's a pretty cool idea.


You misunderstood David's post, probably in the heat of battle. His example was using only two keys to do patch increment/decrement. A great solution, and incredibly easily done in Mainstage and other such platforms, if you don't have a dedicated pad controller or other such mechanism to accomplish this task.

Ah. I'm sure that works for some people too. Personally, I'm used to "random access" -- I don't always access patches in the same order, or even necessarily know what patch I'm going to need two songs from now. If you're in a touring show that does the same song sequence night after night, increment makes a lot of sense. My own approach is try to to be able to typically call up any of my most common sounds in an instant, and never be more than a few finger-presses away from any other sound I may need.
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#2827400 - 01/11/17 02:16 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Like, if you have 50 patches assigned to the 50 lowest white keys, you'll end up with a 3-key playable piano. ;-)


That isn't what he means. 2 keys to scroll through patches incrementally. Pretty slick!
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#2827406 - 01/11/17 02:34 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Bobadohshe]
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A few quick comments and a question:

COMMENT 1 - I think both sides of this argument make sense, laptops can totally be used as hands-free sound modules.

COMMENT 2 - however, I agree with Scott that the ability to quickly and directly change stuff on the screen of the iPad makes it great for live use (sound effects, patch changes, etc). For this reason, I have been using my ipad velcroed to my keyboard, makes for a great, quick sound module running Korg Module (also Beatmaker 2 for quick sound effects/samples), and ForScore for chord charts in case I do too much "prepping" before the show in my Reggae band and forget stuff smirk

COMMENT 3 - the Korg Nanocontrol is a great way to map things to the Korg Module app - HOWEVER, the Nanocontrol does NOT do Program Change (apparently, the new Nanocontrol Studio also does not, but the keyboard thingy does). 2nd However, the Arturia Arturia product line does allow sending Program Change messages via the built in pads (1st gen Beatstep or miniLab).

Question: Other than given direct patch-change information as a Program Change #, is there a way in MIDI to do the patch increment up/down you guys mention? Is that a Program Change # in MIDI?

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#2827412 - 01/11/17 02:48 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: roygbiv]
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I think AppŁ€ & M$ synths are amazing.
I like the buzz of my iPad speakers so I use 2 x spare KSM8s instead of running direct out to hardware Tube saturation.
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#2827413 - 01/11/17 03:03 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: AnotherScott]
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That's a clever solution, and of course works great for controller independence since those keys send out the exact same MIDI event no matter what keyboard you attach to. Obviously, there are still some limitations. Like, if you have 50 patches assigned to the 50 lowest white keys, you'll end up with a 3-key playable piano. ;-) Still, if you only need to access a handful of patches and have the keys to spare, that's a pretty cool idea.


You misunderstood David's post, probably in the heat of battle. His example was using only two keys to do patch increment/decrement. A great solution, and incredibly easily done in Mainstage and other such platforms, if you don't have a dedicated pad controller or other such mechanism to accomplish this task.

Ah. I'm sure that works for some people too. Personally, I'm used to "random access" -- I don't always access patches in the same order, or even necessarily know what patch I'm going to need two songs from now. If you're in a touring show that does the same song sequence night after night, increment makes a lot of sense. My own approach is try to to be able to typically call up any of my most common sounds in an instant, and never be more than a few finger-presses away from any other sound I may need.


If you used Logic Remote on your iPad to control Mainstage 3, you'd only be one finger-press from any sound you needed.

(you may be doing this already, I haven't read the entirety of this horse-beating thread... wink )
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#2827419 - 01/11/17 03:44 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Firstly, because Markay seemed to have an issue with my post in this thread, let me restate; this is not directed at any specific person or post in this thread, but if you are running a laptop-based rig, and need to use a mouse to make program changes or any other adjustments during the gig (ie. between songs, or even worse during songs), then you are doing it wrong.


No issue at all Sven. wave

I am in complete agreement with your post. I quoted it as it had been made earlier in the thread and ignored in AS's subsequent posts.

The nonsensical twist this thread has taken by adoption of the position "lets pretend that you are in a land where controller's have no encoders" is pointless.

Makes as much sense as a hypothetical discussion of "what if you left your iPad at home?".

There are a few posts here from folk who successfully gig with Laptop's, and a few from those use an iPad to supplement their hardware sounds. All the rest is fantasy.
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#2827420 - 01/11/17 03:52 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Markay]
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Don't forget, you can change patches easily, in Mainstage, by using the number keys on the computer.
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#2827425 - 01/11/17 04:26 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Markay]
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No issue at all Sven. wave

I am in complete agreement with your post. I quoted it as it had been made earlier in the thread and ignored in AS's subsequent posts.


Ahhhh, sorry, misinterpreted the facepalm. wink All good now! twothumbs

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There are a few posts here from folk who successfully gig with Laptop's, and a few from those use an iPad to supplement their hardware sounds.


I've successfully played in both of those fields, although the latter only minimally; I'm working on a simple iPad-only rig that would act as my second tier sound above my Kurzweil PC3 (effectively replacing my heavier-than-hell, and way too big for these gigs Yamaha Motif ES7). So far I'm not 100% satisfied with it for "prime time" gigs, but it's getting pretty damned close, working with MIDIflow and a few key virtual instruments...
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#2827427 - 01/11/17 05:02 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Markay]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
If you used Logic Remote on your iPad to control Mainstage 3, you'd only be one finger-press from any sound you needed.

Whether through Logic Remote or not, yup, that's what I'm suggesting is a good idea, using the iPad for touchscreen patch selection of Mainstage sounds. The "other position" being expressed in the thread is that using an iPad to add touch screen patch selection to Mainstage is not desirable.

Originally Posted By: Markay
The nonsensical twist this thread has taken by adoption of the position "lets pretend that you are in a land where controller's have no encoders" is pointless.

Lots of people have rigs that have no good way to send program changes, or may prefer using some of those keyboards (I listed a whole bunch of them a few posts up). If you want to add Mainstage to a rig of say, a Nord Electro or Numa Organ stacked on an RD64 or lightweight Yamaha/Casio/Kawai 88 slab, where are your patch change buttons? This isn't pretend, these are common boards. Or do you think that people should buy new controllers if they want to use Mainstage, despite additional expense and loss of some combination of other attributes someone may like about these boards (light weight, small size, some of their own sounds/ergonomics, key feel, that they're paid for...)? And again, this even assumes you have no interest in the other things I mentioned (being able to automatically see patch names for your "buttons", being able to instantly swap in another keyboard controller in case of failure, sitting in on someone else's rig, using provided backline, etc.), which is fair enough, but are things that also may reasonably be of concern to some people.

Again, all of this is just to answer your assertion...
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The whole point of Host software is that you control everything from your controller. ... I cannot think of any reason why touching a screen on tablet running a Set list app could in any way be "better".
I'm merely demonstrating scenarios--maybe not for you, but realistic scenarios--where operating the host from a tablet touchscreen can be a better way to go. I honestly didn't expect this to be a controversial position!



Edited by AnotherScott (01/12/17 05:44 AM)
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#2827471 - 01/11/17 09:19 PM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly

If you used Logic Remote on your iPad to control Mainstage 3, you'd only be one finger-press from any sound you needed.


yes smile

Screen shots of iPad.

This is one of a few screen views. This is where you can instantly do one-touch patch change


Screen where you can create and assign all manner of buttons to control things. There are 24 positions per page and many,many pages. The bottom row of 6 always stays visible, so your most used buttons would go there.


Not shown are a couple more screens... one I really like is the edit screen with all the channel strip sliders per patch.

I use it a lot when setting up patches.

You can also bring up a keyboard to test patch sounds

My iPad and a stylus lets me setup the different channel strips easily from my pad while my Macbook is ...over there smile
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#2827515 - 01/12/17 06:40 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
...(Note: if you choose to interpret that statement as me saying you're silly or stupid, that's your prerogative, but I never said that. For the record. I'm judging the action, not the person. wink )

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No Sven, you were not the one that called me silly. For the most part I actually agree with your statement. But, I do use the mouse when setting up my performances and set lists. And when programming patches I find it much easier to be exact when using a mouse instead of my big fat fingertip.
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#2827517 - 01/12/17 06:43 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
...(Note: if you choose to interpret that statement as me saying you're silly or stupid, that's your prerogative, but I never said that. For the record. I'm judging the action, not the person. wink )

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No Sven, you were not the one that called me silly. For the most part I actually agree with your statement. But, I do use the mouse when setting up my performances and set lists. And when programming patches I find it much easier to be exact when using a mouse instead of my big fat fingertip.


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For the record, I'm not advocating programming your rig --- at home, before the gig --- without a mouse. That would be silly... wink

For tablet users, a stylus works beautifully instead of ... girthy digits. smile
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#2827878 - 01/13/17 09:03 AM Re: Ipad synth apps now better still not atractive for you? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
No Sven, you were not the one that called me silly. For the most part I actually agree with your statement. But, I do use the mouse when setting up my performances and set lists. And when programming patches I find it much easier to be exact when using a mouse instead of my big fat fingertip.


I don't think anyone called you silly. And I mostly agree with what you're saying as well. I was primarily talking about the virtue of touchscreen for live performance, not for pre-gig configuration. One exception is if you find the iPad to be a suitable sound device for your purposes. There is no mouse, but the environment is specifically designed for touch, so you typically don't miss it. (Of course, if the iPad is sufficient for your purposes, there's a good chance you're not attempting to do some of the more complicated stuff that requires a lot of intricate pre-configuration in the first place.)
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