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#2825086 - 01/01/17 12:26 PM NAMM 2017 NEWS
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Alright, Geoff Grace, it's January 1, 2017. I've waited all I can waits, and I can't waits no more. wink

Korg Kronos LS - we should get a closer look at this beeotch for sure.


Viscount. In addition to the Physis H and K models I'm thinking they'll be showing their SMART line.
There's a SMART 20 and 30. Looks like attempt to be competitive with the Casio PX-160/360.
http://www.viscountinstruments.us/digital-pianos/smart.html

SMART Brochure


They'll also be showing the KeyB Legend.
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#2825088 - 01/01/17 12:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Some company called ZYLIA has a cancelling mic that let's you record a rehearsal/performance by plopping the one ZYLIA mic in the middle of the room and it will multitrack with separation.

http://zylia.co/index-1/



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#2825089 - 01/01/17 12:34 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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3DVarius - 3D Printed Violin

https://www.3d-varius.com

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#2825100 - 01/01/17 12:51 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Triad Orbit Advanced Stand Systems - iOrbit
http://www.triad-orbit.com

They've got a universal tablet/ipad stand holder. Looks well made, ball joint and serious clamp

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#2825106 - 01/01/17 01:01 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Dutchgrand LTD
"Dutchgrand is the No.1 producer of portable baby grand piano-shells."
http://dutchgrand.com/product/

I wonder if the VPC-1 fits in there?

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#2825111 - 01/01/17 01:10 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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SKB has a new i series case design, lightweight and water proof.
iSeries Waterproof 88-Note Keyboard Case
Model: 3i-5616-KBD


https://www.skbcases.com/music/products/...p;c=90&s=76

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#2825114 - 01/01/17 01:14 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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64 Audio tia - Tubeless In-ear Audio system
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#2825127 - 01/01/17 02:03 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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good gear, thx Elmer smile

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#2825129 - 01/01/17 02:09 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Alright, Geoff Grace, it's January 1, 2017. I've waited all I can waits, and I can't waits no more. wink

LOL! You beat me to it by less than two hours. But no worries.

Traditionally, I've waited until the beginning of the week of the show to start the thread; but in recent years, manufacturers have leaked their announcements in advance of NAMM to create an Internet buzz. The question then becomes, "How far in advance of NAMM is an announcement still a NAMM announcement?" In my opinion, with the show still over two weeks away, the first of the month is the earliest I could justify starting a thread—especially since last month's announcements could validly be considered as holiday announcements.

No matter, Elmer. As your enthusiasm in this area rivals mine, it's just as fitting that you should start the thread. I'll simply add my traditional comments at this point and later post here as I would have in the thread I would have created.

Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace
As most of you know, this year's Winter NAMM Show will begin on Thursday, January 19th at the Anaheim Convention Center, and run through Sunday, the 22nd. As always, anticipation and speculation over product announcements is running high; and some product info has already been leaked or announced.

Please post your Winter NAMM 2017 reports here, for forum members who are not fortunate enough to go to the show.

Feel free to discuss NAMM announced gear, events, and performances in this thread.

I look forward to reading your posts, Elmer. cool

Best,

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#2825147 - 01/01/17 03:08 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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There he is! It's great to see you, Geoff. And it is completely my honor to join you in this annual tradition.

Happy NAMM 2017! And may the gear be ever in our favor!

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#2825214 - 01/01/17 10:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Is it true the new Korg Kronos LS does not have aftertouch? If it does have aftertouch I am absolutely buying one. If it does not have aftertouch I’m gonna suck on the barrel of a gun.


Edited by seanl (01/01/17 10:35 PM)
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#2825243 - 01/02/17 06:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: seanl]
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That's what the Roland enthusiasts said about the Jupiter-50, and it was true anyway. wink
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#2825255 - 01/02/17 07:36 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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What's with the lack of aftertouch on some of these keyboards? Does it really save that much money to leave it out?

It's a deal killer. For example, the lack of aftertouch on the Kurzweil Artis lost them a sale. Speaking of Kurzweil, the lack of a semi-weighted keyboard and sequencer on the Kurzweil Forte lost them a sale as well.

This year I'd love to see a lighter weight Forte 7 with a semi-weighted (as on PC361) keyboard; 76 notes A to C range; with an improved (over PC3) sequencer that takes advantage of the better display and can do different time signatures and combine song sections.

Keep the shorter length with pitch/mod wheels over the keyboard.

For the cherry on top, add back the PC3's ribbon and breath controller inputs. Support _polyphonic_ aftertouch, loads of user sampling space and improve the UI, and I'll be sorely tempted to buy two.

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#2825261 - 01/02/17 08:06 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Meta]
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I am curious to know if Casio is going to use their current Celviano sample in an affordable portable any time soon.

I played the Celviano last year and it was radically different than the portable PX-5 or anything else they had. I know someday I will have a Casio... I just wonder if this is the year.

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#2825289 - 01/02/17 09:47 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: LX88]
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I would think the Roland Jupiter 80 is due for a refresh or replacement. But in this market it may no longer make sense for them to design expensive flagship synths.

If they were to come out with one, I'd be interested, but it would have to frigging brilliant to lure me away from my resolve to make 2017 the year of the laptop.
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#2825294 - 01/02/17 10:03 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Meta]
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Originally Posted By: Meta
What's with the lack of aftertouch on some of these keyboards?
many players prefer not to have aftertouch on 88 note weighted keyboards as they use them solely for AP's and Ep's. Even though aftertouch is not assigned to these sounds the keyboard dip that aftertouch requires is not welcomed.
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#2825309 - 01/02/17 10:48 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Meta]
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Originally Posted By: Meta
For example, the lack of aftertouch on the Kurzweil Artis lost them a sale. Speaking of Kurzweil, the lack of a semi-weighted keyboard and sequencer on the Kurzweil Forte lost them a sale as well.

This year I'd love to see a lighter weight Forte 7 with a semi-weighted (as on PC361) keyboard; 76 notes A to C range; with an improved (over PC3) sequencer that takes advantage of the better display and can do different time signatures and combine song sections.


I was set to buy a Jupiter 50 - "The Ultimate Performance Keyboard" - until I found it lacked Aftertouch. (insert *facepalm* here)

I also prefer 76 note keyboards over 73 note, but I like the traditional E-G range.


Does anyone know if there will be any new Arranger Keyboards or modules at NAMM? I'm particularly interested in a new version of the Roland BK7M or a rack version of the Korg PA4.
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#2825329 - 01/02/17 11:20 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthaholic]
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Uli Behringer himself has allegedly stated that there will be an “SD Direct Recording Card for our X32/M32 Series in the very near future”.

Thread on Music Group Forum

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#2825330 - 01/02/17 11:24 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Uli Behringer gives sneak peak at development of Behringer's drum machine focused on the sound of the 808/909 over at GearSlutz.

Quote:
Dear all,

first of all I like to wish you a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.

Sometime in July this year I announced we are looking into developing analog as well digital drum machines. I thought I would now share with you aspects of the development process.

At this stage our main focus is on sound creation and for this purpose we resurrected the highly regarded 808 and 909 analog drum machines from the '80's.

Attached are the pics of the first evaluation boards that allow us to study and compare the sound of analog drum instruments. However, our intention is not to clone these products but to evaluate analog sound generation and add a great user interface and sequencer.

I can tell you that the team is having lots of fun listening to these drum sounds that greatly contributed to amazing music in the past. It is actually not surprising that people gravitate to analog sounds as it is the imperfection that evokes emotions. Perhaps it is the fact that we humans are analog, too:-)

While we are far away from releasing a finished product, we thought we would get you involved in this enjoyable design process.

As always we love to hear your opinions.

Uli Behringer
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#2825623 - 01/03/17 06:34 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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NAMM 2017 will be the year of the blue Bluetooth® capable powered monitor.

KUGEL™ BLUETOOTH® SPEAKER
https://www.thonet-vander.com/us/products/speakers/bluetooth-speaker-kugel.php


TITAN™ / Bluetooth® Sound System


KOLOSS™ / Bluetooth® Sound System


Some of the usual suspects too:

Mackie Introduces High-Performance XR Series Studio Monitors
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#2825843 - 01/04/17 04:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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EXPERIENCE THE NAMM SHOW IN 360° VIRTUAL REALITY

"As a special thank you to our loyal Roland and BOSS Backstage* members, we’re sending a FREE pair of Roland VR (virtual reality) goggles to the first 1,000 signups. Use these goggles during the 2017 NAMM Show, January 18–22, 2017, for an immersive 3D video experience."

NAMM SHOW 360 VR

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#2825846 - 01/04/17 04:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Foot Controlled Mouse/Input Device
Booth 1074

http://www.smashmouseusa.com/index.html

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#2825847 - 01/04/17 04:49 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2825908 - 01/04/17 08:39 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I printed out my pass (really, my pass-to-get-my-pass) today, and will see you there. Who is going, and when?
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#2826167 - 01/05/17 06:17 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Simple, Fast & Fun Approach For Learning Any Musicial Instrument
http://www.kinderkeys.co.uk

"Founded in 2015 and headquartered in Ireland, KinderKeys™ is a new unique & powerful alternative sheet music platform that enables both children and adults alike to learn a musical instrument. Developed by Digitek Global, KinderKeys is the fastest and most effective platform for music learning in the world. With the KinderKeys Instrument Series we provide the WORLDS FIRST COMPLETE step-by-step self-learning course from Beginners to Degree Level, customized to suit the very needs of children and adults beginning to play a musical instrument."

No idea what the course looks like for keys yet.
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#2826169 - 01/05/17 06:21 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Etymotic Research, Inc.
Music Pro


https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/hearing-protection/mp915.html

"The ultimate in hearing protection. Designed for musicians who want to hear naturally, need protection when hearing is at risk, and want to avoid the inconvenience of removing earplugs to hear.

Adaptive Noise Reduction: Music•PRO circuitry automatically changes output levels as sound input levels change. Hearing is natural, as if nothing is in the ears, until sound exceeds safe levels. As sound levels increase, earplugs gradually provide 9- or 15-dB sound reduction. Natural hearing is restored when sound returns to safe levels.

Advantages

Provides either 9-dB or 15-dB protection at the flip of a switch
Clear communication
Instantaneously protects from loud, percussive sounds (e.g., cymbal strike)
Enhances soft sounds if desired
Ready-fit eartips; custom molds are not required"


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#2826170 - 01/05/17 06:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Wind Wynder
http://www.windwynder.com/

The Wind Wynder is a device that clips on a music stand or a hard music folder. The clips open to accommodate even thick music stands and folders. The clear line enables a musician to cover all their issues with the wind, drafts, or new music parts that will not stay open.





Maybe 5, 10 years late with the advent of tablets for sheet music reading. But heck, if you still have gigs where you need sheets outdoors now and again...
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#2826171 - 01/05/17 06:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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SKB case for QSC Touch Mix Pro

3i2222-12QSC iSeries QSC Mixer Case
https://www.skbcases.com/music/products/...p;c=81&s=81
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#2826182 - 01/05/17 08:18 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2826183 - 01/05/17 08:42 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Interesting that a new USB interface does not say whether it is USB 2 or USB 3. Roland's specs refer to "hi speed" and USB specs refer to "hi speed" as being USB 2.
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#2826202 - 01/06/17 05:08 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markay]
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So, for the GO:KEYS ( their capitalization, not mine ) are they intentionally trying to be confused for a Nord product? At least to the casual observer.

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#2826205 - 01/06/17 05:16 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markay]
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Originally Posted By: Markay
Interesting that a new USB interface does not say whether it is USB 2 or USB 3. Roland's specs refer to "hi speed" and USB specs refer to "hi speed" as being USB 2.


If it doesn't say, then my guess is USB 2. Meh...more toys from Roland.
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#2826206 - 01/06/17 05:17 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: dje31]
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Roland GO:KEYS / GO:PIANO

https://www.roland.com/us/products/gokeys_go-61k/




I think most manufacturers currently have avoided red because Nord has been so 100% committed to the color. But that's not to say that being 100% red implies exclusivity. Besides. There is a sort of orangeness to Roland's choice of red on this product, no?
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#2826207 - 01/06/17 05:19 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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SlickAudio custom DAW PCs

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#2826210 - 01/06/17 05:26 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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No web presence that I could find yet, but a company called CRIMSON Technology has real time processing software called Metamorphone. They say...

"You can speak and sing in realtime by the voice of the target artists, characters, or actors."

Which I presume means you have it analyze an actor or singers voice and it allows you to sound like that person when you speak or sing in real time. Interesting... the holy grail for cover band singers?
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#2826217 - 01/06/17 05:38 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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AUDIO TECHNICA - ATM350a Microphone Systems
Cardioid Condenser Instrument Microphone with UniMount® Components

Great mic for saxes, violins, etc. But they offer a magnetic piano mount. Looks like just the thing for above the harp piano micing.

Magnetic piano harp mount is in the lower right hand corner of this pic.

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#2826220 - 01/06/17 05:50 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Wondering if some of these postings are getting a little too far away from keyboard related? idk

Just asking.

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#2826221 - 01/06/17 05:52 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Dutchgrand LTD
"Dutchgrand is the No.1 producer of portable baby grand piano-shells."
http://dutchgrand.com/product/

I wonder if the VPC-1 fits in there?

If it's anything like the first shells made by Rafinelli in Reno, NV. from 30 years back yes.
Local entertainer, wannabe Frank Sinatra guy, made these locally and any 88 noter fit based on the dimensions of the Yamah KX88, the real ones, not the newer cheesecakes..

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#2826228 - 01/06/17 06:44 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Wondering if some of these postings are getting a little too far away from keyboard related? idk

Just asking.


custom picked for pro/semi-pro/hobbyist piano/organ/keyboard players. not a guitar in site! or sight, even! wink
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#2826237 - 01/06/17 07:24 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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OK- no problem since you're doing all the work (and I appreciate it). Just thought that this for example



was more related to this



...than this



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#2826271 - 01/06/17 09:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch

Nice to see from Roland, "The 61 keys are standard size and shape" -- This may be the lightest and most compact 61 with full-size keys. Besides bluetooth, it says "USB COMPUTER port: USB Micro-B type (MIDI)" so it could be a very portable tablet/laptop controller.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I think most manufacturers currently have avoided red because Nord has been so 100% committed to the color. But that's not to say that being 100% red implies exclusivity.

and there have been other red keyboards... Yamaha Reface YC and a whole bunch of Korgs come to mind... the only color of the Karma, a common color of the SV1, a half-case color of the Kross, and one of numerous colors that have been available for Krome, M50, and some of the mini-synths like Micro-Korg XL and Monologue. Roland also used to have red keytars.
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#2826351 - 01/06/17 04:40 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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OK- no problem since you're doing all the work (and I appreciate it). Just thought that this for example



was more related to this



...than this



roll


tee hee! like
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#2826353 - 01/06/17 04:57 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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PHYSIS PIANO - H3
Hall C - Booth #4813
http://www.viscountinstruments.com/physis-piano-h3.html
PGK Physis Grand Keyboard - 73 lightweight hammer keys with “Ivory Feel” key tops - 3 contacts - Velocity curves: 5 preset + 4 user

18kg / 39.68lbs

Must be a 73k, E to E, TP-40L or variant.

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#2826366 - 01/06/17 07:25 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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AKAI teaser, who knows wtf. wink
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#2826367 - 01/06/17 07:26 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Apparently there's a GO:MIXER as well.
https://www.roland.com/global/products/gomixer/

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#2826368 - 01/06/17 07:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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ROLI Soundpacks For BLOCKS and NOISE

Legendary rapper RZA of Wu-Tang Clan explains how kung-fu movies and the raw atmosphere of 1990s New York inspired the iconic album Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) — and has also inspired his Spoonful of Grit soundpack for BLOCKS and NOISE.

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#2826668 - 01/08/17 01:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Kurzweil's Pro Products Demo Performance Schedule is up.
AM&S Booth #6464 (Hall A)

http://kurzweil.com/news/67/
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#2826688 - 01/08/17 03:42 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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For anyone who wants to come by and say hi to me, the most likely place to find me will be the Amphion booth (6314), right next to the MOTU booth towards the front of Hall A. thu

If any of you guys are interested in meeting brother Dave Pensado, he'll be hanging out at my booth on Saturday from 10:30 until noon. cool

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#2826701 - 01/08/17 05:06 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markay]
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#2826710 - 01/08/17 05:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Dope.
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#2826721 - 01/08/17 06:23 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Kurzweil's Pro Products Demo Performance Schedule is up.
AM&S Booth #6464 (Hall A)

http://kurzweil.com/news/67/



ahh, I see my BFF David Bach is making his NAMM debut finally. I have known David for almost 30 years and have worked with him for 25 years. Double shifts of Chris Martirano on Thursday and Saturday. twothumbs
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#2826871 - 01/09/17 10:14 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd



I'm always skeptical about technology like this, but if it works, then I love the idea. I don't, however, care for the subscription processing service.

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#2826875 - 01/09/17 10:49 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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[quote=ElmerJFudd]Alright, Geoff Grace, it's January 1, 2017. I've waited all I can waits, and I can't waits no more. wink

Korg Kronos LS - we should get a closer look at this beeotch for sure.


Same exact kronos but with light keys?? what is so exciting about that that you can not wait for ???
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#2826902 - 01/09/17 12:43 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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AKAI teaser, who knows wtf. wink


It's an MPC-X, "full details are now available of two new AKAI Professional workstations, both with touch screens and featuring the MPC 2.0 software."

http://www.akaipro.com/product/mpc-x





There's also a standalone MPC Live at a lower price point.

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#2826904 - 01/09/17 12:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The Stylophone GEN X-1 is the latest portable analogue synthesizer by Dubreq.

http://www.dubreq.com/gen-x-1-preview/



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#2826909 - 01/09/17 12:53 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.

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#2826917 - 01/09/17 01:06 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Keysguy]
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Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.


Definitely an area we'd like to see some advancement. For me, particularly the acoustic like actions (not compact/folded actions - which are important for gigging, but at home instruments like the Avant Grand, MP11/VPC-1, Casio GP). Also, at some point these home instruments will need to upgrade their amp and speaker tech to compete with the sound of nice acoustics. Also, the software pianos - multi-gigabyte libraries or modeling+hybrid sampled engines - someone is going to put these in a console instrument with a legit action, great DA and speaker system. There's a short list of instruments that come close now - a little larger group that cuts corners. And then there are the transducer speaker models.
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#2826927 - 01/09/17 01:23 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I'm digging that MPC...brings back memories of my old 2000...
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#2826971 - 01/09/17 04:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Keysguy]
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Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.

I'm reviewing the Nord Piano 3 at the moment, and am quite impressed. twothumbs

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#2826979 - 01/09/17 06:57 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Keysguy
Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.

I'm reviewing the Nord Piano 3 at the moment, and am quite impressed. twothumbs

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can you give us a head up on the feel of the action_?
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#2826996 - 01/09/17 07:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Keysguy
Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.

I'm reviewing the Nord Piano 3 at the moment, and am quite impressed. twothumbs

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I can't find one of these nowhere in my usual 30min radius to try. It's going to require tolls or public trans into Manhattan. At which point - I better have a list of others I'd like to try in the same visit. $3k plus $400 for the triple pedal then another couple hundred for a good case. I'm skeptical, it has to play crazy better than the usual suspects for me to invest in that bit of aluminum and silicon.
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#2827024 - 01/10/17 02:21 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Nord Triple Pedal is included with the piano...

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#2827027 - 01/10/17 04:06 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Matthiola]
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Thank goodness.
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#2827057 - 01/10/17 07:12 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The MPC 2.0 software can run either on a computer or compatible MPC hardware.

As well as releasing new standalone MPC hardware, Akai Pro has also announced updated companion software. What's more, this isn't only compatible with the forthcoming MPC X and MPC Live, but also with the existing MPC Touch and MPC Studio Black.

MusicRadar article
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#2827058 - 01/10/17 07:18 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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KAWAI announced updates to some console lines.
CN37 and CN27
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"These updated models feature stunning Shigeru Kawai SK-EX and Kawai EX concert grand piano sounds, the class-leading Responsive Hammer III keyboard action, built-in Bluetooth® wireless connectivity, improved Virtual Technician functions and SHS headphone enhancements, and modernised cabinet designs, delivering a new standard in digital piano value and performance."

Press Release

Product Pages

http://www.kawai-global.com/product/cn37/

http://www.kawai-global.com/product/cn27/
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#2827059 - 01/10/17 07:20 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Ensenada Guide]
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Originally Posted By: Ensenada Guide
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: Keysguy
Please post any Digital Piano news. I'm in the market and waiting to see if theres a next great thing coming.

I'm reviewing the Nord Piano 3 at the moment, and am quite impressed. twothumbs

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can you give us a head up on the feel of the action_?

Without giving away too much of what I'll say in the review, it's awesome - not just the feel, but the connection to the sounds that their new tech brings is really noticeable from the first few seconds you start playing.

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#2827061 - 01/10/17 07:21 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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KAWAI ES110

BOOM! at long last, an update to the KAWAI ES100.

"Kawai Japan is proud to announce the ES110, the latest addition to the highly respected ES range of portable digital pianos, and successor to the best-selling ES100. This updated model features a brand new Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action, Harmonic Imaging 88-key piano sampling, dedicated Line Out jacks, and built-in Bluetooth® wireless connectivity to deliver gig-friendly grand piano touch and tone at a remarkably affordable price."

Press Release

Product Page:
http://www.kawai-global.com/product/es110/

New: Responsive Hammer Compact keyboard action
New: Bluetooth MIDI connectivity
New: Line Out jacks
Improved: 3.0 kg lighter than ES100 (15.0 kg --> 12.0 kg) 26.45lbs!
Improved: Larger, more powerful speakers (12x8 cm --> 12 cm)
Improved: Ability to toggle effects on/off from panel
Improved: Ability to toggle rotary speaker effect speed from panel
Improved: Ability to disable speakers and select 'Flat EQ' when using Line Out jacks
Improved: Virtual Technician iOS app support

$729 street.
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#2827106 - 01/10/17 09:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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ES-110 looks great... it even still has real MIDI jacks!

I'll be curious to feel the new action. I liked the ES-100 action, particularly in the way it "connected" to the board's sounds, but on its own, I could see room for improvement. I wonder if it may have a triple sensor (not that I find that absolutely essential).

Also curious to hear the speakers, the max volume was a weakness before. It's still only 7 watts per speaker, but the bigger speakers could sound fuller when pushed. (Speaker efficiency itself is another variable.)

I hope the effects toggle allow you to defeat the effects that were baked into the EP samples on the 100.

Still not perfect... I like having Line Inputs on boards with speakers, it can be very convenient. And more than that I still wish it had even a simple 2-digit LED display or lights over the buttons, some way to tell what sound is selected before you hit a key. If you ever use an 88 as the bottom of a 2-board stack, and come back to the 88 after only having played the 2nd board for a while, it is irritating to not be able to tell at a glance what sound your 88 is set at.
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#2827128 - 01/10/17 10:44 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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I like having Line Inputs on boards with speakers, it can be very convenient....

+1
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#2827137 - 01/10/17 11:30 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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The ES-110 looks like a winner, but is bluetooth MIDI a viable alternative to USB? In terms of latency etc.
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#2827140 - 01/10/17 11:36 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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I really wish some of these pianos came in 76 or 73 key versions. Some of need reduced weight and increased portability instead of 88 keys. Just my opinion. YMMV
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#2827142 - 01/10/17 11:47 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: smanzella]
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The ES-110 weighs about 26.5 pounds.
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#2827146 - 01/10/17 12:02 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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The ES-110 looks like a winner, but is bluetooth MIDI a viable alternative to USB? In terms of latency etc.


I think blue tooth is great for running audio from your smart phone apps through the internal speakers, to play along with that's great. Latency to a computer or to a blue tooth speaker - probably annoying for most of us or the pickier most of us.
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#2827152 - 01/10/17 12:25 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2827153 - 01/10/17 12:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Donsta]
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Its not just the weight. A smaller size makes transportation, setup, and stage real estate much easier.
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#2827162 - 01/10/17 01:11 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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The ES-110 looks like a winner, but is bluetooth MIDI a viable alternative to USB? In terms of latency etc.


Supposedly low latency is possible with the Korg microkey bluetooth.



Busch.

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#2827173 - 01/10/17 01:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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I didn't play my korg micro key air a whole minute before I knew I was sending it back due to latency. Maybe it's just me.
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#2827180 - 01/10/17 02:02 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: mwheels]
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The general consensus I have observed is that the music industry is on the dull edge of computer technology, IE they are always a generation behind. The drive to low cost and the long development cycle precludes latest technology.

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#2827202 - 01/10/17 04:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: The Real MC]
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Antelope Audio
Orion32 HD


http://en.antelopeaudio.com/products/orion32-hd/

For those of you Pro Tools users who dream of an HD system:



Last year saw Avid release Pro Tools HD software as a separate product. Pro Tools HD users no longer need to purchase a piece of Avid hardware in order to own the license for the professional software. To accompany the separation of the software license and Avid’s own hardware, Avid also released the Digilink license. This is an additional license required if you intend on using Avid’s HDX and HD Native cards, or the HD Thunderbolt Native platform with an interface such as this new Orion32 HD.

Whilst this is great news for users, be aware that you will need to include the cost of this license if you decide upon a third party Digilink interface. Many are speculating that Avid are moving away from hardware and playing to their strength with software widely known in the industry. That's potentially a good thing for users, and the release of this Orion32 HD is an exciting alternative...

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#2827207 - 01/10/17 04:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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ROCK'N'ROLLA RECORD PLAYERS

Portable Vinyl Record Players
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Featuring:
3 speeds 33 1/3, 45 and 78.
Deluxe diamond tipped needle to improve sound quality & vinyl protection
Temperature tested belt drive to insure maximum reliability under heavy usage
Superior quality, super durable motor for maximum reliability and consistant playing speed
High-quality speakers two full-range dynamic speakers
Four input options to connect your digital devices to the Rock ‘N’ Rolla
CD Player featured on our XL Player
RCA output to link to external system
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Rechargebale lithium battery - featured on our Premium Player (4 hours play time)
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#2827213 - 01/10/17 05:00 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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MOON Amplification
http://www.moonamp.com

skamp and provado models

The amazing spatial effect of the SKAMP ORBITED speaker is produced by the special configuration of 12 high-performance sound transducers covering all four faces of the cabinet, four 100 Watt RMS amplifiers, all coupled with the signal processing power of a dual-core digital signal processor (DSP) for the incredible sound from this little package. 45.5 lbs

class-D amplifiers and a switch-mode power supply

Each of the horns has 12 times the throat area of a traditional long, narrow rotary horn, so there is no throat distortion no matter how loud you play.

has its own woofers with a crossover bypass to allow a full-range operation mode.

If more bass is wanted, pair the with one of our subwoofers: bassLiteTM, bigBassTM or our stationary subBassTM.

has extended high frequency response to make the key clicks cut through the mix.

Selecting the horn characteristic in the skamp kontrollerTM will emphasize or attenuate the key clicks.

Because skamp is loud and has spacial effects that fill the room or area, a mic setup is NOT needed for live performance.

http://www.moonamp.com/videos.html







I'm not sure what booth they are going to be at...
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#2827215 - 01/10/17 05:09 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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MOON Amplification
http://www.moonamp.com

I'm not sure what booth they are going to be at...

Hall E. Booth 1077.

I'm interested in hearing that for sure!

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#2827217 - 01/10/17 05:15 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Clear Tune - In Ear Vintage Series

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#2827218 - 01/10/17 05:18 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
MOON Amplification
http://www.moonamp.com

I'm not sure what booth they are going to be at...

Hall E. Booth 1077.

I'm interested in hearing that for sure!

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#2827286 - 01/11/17 04:55 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2827312 - 01/11/17 07:22 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I'm pretty sure that FP-90 has been around for a while.

edit:

Yup, you even started a thread about it!
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2803170/Re_Roland_FP_90#Post2803170
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#2827347 - 01/11/17 10:14 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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File this one under "Better late than never", TC Electronics is finally releasing a native reverb plugin:

http://www.tcelectronic.com/vss3-native/
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#2827407 - 01/11/17 02:34 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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FP-90 was announced earlier this year ya. Still marked as "coming soon" at the shops in the US. Roland chose to include the model along with the others in their run up to NAMM news. <shrug>
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#2827431 - 01/11/17 05:35 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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This is pretty cool. t.c. electronics has release VSS3 in native format. This used to be only available in the very expensive System 6000 hardware (which I owned at one time). Now between this and the Lexicon software you can have both of these premier reverbs.





TC Electronic VSS3 Native is available now for $199, with a special launch price of $159, ending this weekend. It requires macOS 10.9 or later, an AU, VST, or AAX plugin host, and an iLok ID (USB dongle supported but not required).

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#2827434 - 01/11/17 05:39 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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So, word is that Behringer changed their minds, and now will be displaying the Deepmind 12 at their booth, which contradicts what I was told (and repeated elsewhere here on the forum)... so that'll be something to look for. twothumbs
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#2827439 - 01/11/17 06:06 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
File this one under "Better late than never", TC Electronics is finally releasing a native reverb plugin:

http://www.tcelectronic.com/vss3-native/


Sorry I missed that one.

Busch.

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#2827441 - 01/11/17 06:07 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
So, word is that Behringer changed their minds, and now will be displaying the Deepmind 12 at their booth, which contradicts what I was told (and repeated elsewhere here on the forum)... so that'll be something to look for. twothumbs


This is good. Maybe they feel the product has come along enough to let a little wider and more critical crowd get their hands on it.
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#2827453 - 01/11/17 07:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I got the email earlier today, and am going to log into my TC account when I get home from work to see if I am still grandfathered into the Powercore upgrade discount.

Thing is, that wasn't my actual favourite of the Powercore reverbs. That award goes to one of the later, simpler, lower-priced ones that they added. I no longer remember its name, but it had a great workflow and didn't use that wonky System 6000 interface style (though many of those are great plugs).

Correction: I just remembered that the one included in Powercore was "VSS" (or maybe "VSS2") and not the full-featured rev3 "VSS3" that is now being released native.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/11/17 07:39 PM)
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#2827472 - 01/11/17 09:19 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Korg announced all their stuff. Mainly color options. Gadget for Mac.

Gold Kronos is pretty stunning.

http://www.korg.com/us/

Busch.

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#2827474 - 01/11/17 09:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Thing is, that wasn't my actual favourite of the Powercore reverbs. That award goes to one of the later, simpler, lower-priced ones that they added. I no longer remember its name, but it had a great workflow and didn't use that wonky System 6000 interface style (though many of those are great plugs).

Correction: I just remembered that the one included in Powercore was "VSS" (or maybe "VSS2") and not the full-featured rev3 "VSS3" that is now being released native.

For any of you that are serious reverb fans, you owe it to yourself to hear a Bricasti M7. There's simply nothing like it. Twelve times the processing power of the System 6000...and I don't mean figuratively.

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#2827475 - 01/11/17 09:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Bryce]
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The M7 is the real deal live too.
Native sounds fine on headphones but not on an Array.
DSP works better, but hardware Reverb just envelopes the source audio instead of adding tails
Wish I could afford one.
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#2827479 - 01/11/17 10:44 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: hardware]
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Dave, I believe it, just based on Slate's emulation of the Bricasti in his own new reverb plug-in! I was skeptical until recently.
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#2827487 - 01/12/17 04:07 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Korg announced all their stuff. Mainly color options. Gadget for Mac.

Gold Kronos is pretty stunning.

http://www.korg.com/us/

Busch.


Full size Korg Arp Odyssey
Goodbye mini keys. wink

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/12/full-size-korg-arp-odyssey/

Korg is pointing out it will be limited addition, assembled in US.

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#2827505 - 01/12/17 06:16 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Gold Kronos is pretty stunning.

http://www.korg.com/us/

Busch.

Holy Hell! I NEED those end panels for mine!! drool love
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#2827512 - 01/12/17 06:32 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Korg announced all their stuff. Mainly color options. Gadget for Mac.

Gold Kronos is pretty stunning.

What I like about a lot of Korg's alternate colors is that, beyond any aesthetic preference, they are easier to use on dark stages than the boards that have black controls on black surfaces. My black M50 was a bear that way, I was glad to see them come out with alternate colors that were much better, but alas, they only came out with the alternate colors for the 61, and I wanted the 73. Similarly I thought the titanium Kronos was cool, but only came in the 88. I wish they would start defaulting to something different from the black on black on all their boards.
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#2827518 - 01/12/17 06:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Korg announced all their stuff. Mainly color options. Gadget for Mac.

Gold Kronos is pretty stunning.

What I like about a lot of Korg's alternate colors is that, beyond any aesthetic preference, they are easier to use on dark stages than the boards that have black controls on black surfaces. My black M50 was a bear that way, I was glad to see them come out with alternate colors that were much better, but alas, they only came out with the alternate colors for the 61, and I wanted the 73. Similarly I thought the titanium Kronos was cool, but only came in the 88. I wish they would start defaulting to something different from the black on black on all their boards.


would you be concerned that the gold Kronos is a theft target ?

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#2827578 - 01/12/17 09:47 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: GregC]
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Bitwig Studio 2.0

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You can now vary the height of tracks individually

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VST3 support is included

The tools have been smartened up so that they dynamically change depending on what your mouse is pointing at.

Some insane ideas and GUI for editing and routing modulation

New Devices

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#2827583 - 01/12/17 09:49 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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RME - pre-NAMM 2017 preview of UFX II
Budget version of UFX+ loses Thunderbolt and MADI


https://www.gearnews.com/rme-fireface-ufx-ii-ahead-namm-2017/

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#2827691 - 01/12/17 03:21 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Gadget OSX Collage of about half the plugins.

Of interest:
The plugins from Module
ARP Odyssey
New Guitar FX
M1
New Tape Recorder input

Looks fun.



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#2827727 - 01/12/17 05:23 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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highly creative team of people working at Korg. There's no doubt about that. Not afraid to take chances, either.
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#2827740 - 01/12/17 06:29 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Fishman SA330x Performance Audio System

This looks interesting in the vein of compact PA's like the Fender and Bose L1.

http://www.fishman.com/products/series/sa/sa330x/

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#2827743 - 01/12/17 06:36 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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LogicKeyboard ASTRA backlit keyboards now for Mac OS - Logic Pro model available, I'm sure other DAWs will follow.

http://logickeyboard.com/shop/search-1.html?keyword=Astra

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#2827782 - 01/12/17 11:46 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Busch, thanks for the large photo of Korg Gadget, as the announcement I saw earlier had a tiny photo that couldn't be expanded, and I hadn't a clue what was included! Looks enticing.
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#2827784 - 01/13/17 12:22 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Gadget OSX Collage of about half the plugins.

Of interest:
The plugins from Module
ARP Odyssey
New Guitar FX
M1
New Tape Recorder input



Busch.


The new iwavestation plug in recently released and compatible with gadget on the ipad, is so much fun... and usefull.. incredible intuitive interface it has...


For me the next step should be integration between gadget , AU units. , and korg hardware... espescially with the high end instruments that have a touchscreen...(kronos / pa4x )... full integration should boost both hardware as well as software sales...
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#2827843 - 01/13/17 06:53 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Full size Korg Arp Odyssey
Goodbye mini keys. wink

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/12/full-size-korg-arp-odyssey/

Korg is pointing out it will be limited addition, assembled in US.


Now, that's nice. Look at the size comparison at the 20 second mark. That's what 14% shrinkage can do: "Significant shrinkage."

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#2827866 - 01/13/17 08:20 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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Gadget for Mac will include two new "audio recording" gadgets.

http://www.korg.com/us/news/2017/011202/
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#2827968 - 01/13/17 02:55 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: GovernorSilver]
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I've seen the earlier prototypes some time ago that were interest. But Nancy has some really nice looking speakers now. I just saw pictures of the Baroque style cabinets and they are really sharp looking. I've seen the concept tried before but her demo sound really good. Looks like they are shooting to be a major player in the church market.

What impresses me is they do a great job at rotary sound while also sounding like a good keyboard sound system in a stop mode.


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#2828005 - 01/13/17 05:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: CEB]
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Assembled in NY all parts from china. Which is normal I guess. That's basically what Moog does aside from the Model D and Modular. Get everything made elsewhere and assemble it here. Doesn't matter much as long as it's good quality. Maybe this will be the end of the mini synth trend? Probs not. I thought they would have had a full size poly to reveal. Maybe at the event. I would have rather seen that than a full size Odyssey and ugly white MS20 mini.
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#2828147 - 01/14/17 11:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: SteeVtheRipper]
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Direct Download for Upgrades
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Multiple improvements to network and tablet/smartphone connectivity.
Improved USB drive format utility to properly format a drive previously formatted with an unrecognized file system (like NTFS).
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#2828149 - 01/14/17 11:36 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2828154 - 01/14/17 11:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Advanced Ears
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"Special Discount on orders placed during the NAMM Show"




Booth 7310
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#2828155 - 01/14/17 11:54 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Sonic Faction has introduced HYPERMORPH, which they describe as a shapeshifting Max for Live synthesizer that layers and transforms your sound in realtime.



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#2828276 - 01/15/17 10:16 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2828362 - 01/15/17 05:40 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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GRAVITY PREMIUM STANDS
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Catalogue

"Gravity® premium microphone stands were developed by designers in conjunction with users over an intensive two year period, focussing on design and quality. The technical development objectives were: durable and precise construction, rapid adjustment and comfortable handling due to a non-slip, soft-touch finish. These microphone stands have already proven themselves in many applications worldwide and created a great impression, not least because of their unique G-rings. They are available in a wide range of colours to facilitate personalisation of stands to your taste, or to denote position on the stage. Gravity® microphone stands have received numerous awards since their market launch."
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#2828364 - 01/15/17 05:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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EVENTIDE
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"January 10, 2017 — Eventide, entering its 46th year at the cutting edge of audio, will be unveiling a revolutionary new plug-in technology."
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#2828366 - 01/15/17 05:51 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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SLAPEROO PERCUSSION

"Slaperoo Percussion presents the 2017 Electric Walking Stick.

Endorsed by Jazz Legend Dr. Lonnie Smith, the Electric Walking Stick is built on the same platform as the award winning N-100 PRO (NAMM 2013 Best in Show)."

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#2828449 - 01/16/17 04:49 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Studiologic announced their "numa compact 2":

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/

Specs:

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Keyboard:
- 88 Keys, TP/9 PIANO semi-weighted Action
- Dual switch detection system
- Afertouch

Touch:
- Soft, Medium, Hard, Fixed (programmable)

Sound generator:
- Max Polyphony 128 voices
- 2 Parts - Lower + Upper
- TrS (True Sound) Stereo multi-samples
- 88 Sounds: 8x Acoustic Piano, 8x Electric Piano, 8x Keyboards, 12x Bass & Guitars, 12x Organ, 12x Synthesizers, 12x Orchestral, 16x Other sounds

Effects / Processing:
- Up to 6 effects simultaneously: 2 FX on Lower + 2 FX on Upper + Reverb + String resonance
- FX1: Drive, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger
- FX2: Rotary, Tremolo, Pan Trem, Delay
- REVERB: Room, Hall, Plate, Spring
- String Resonance on all Piano sounds with level control

Features:
- Sound and Programs: 99 User programs, 1GB Samples memory
- 4 Sections: 2 Sounds in Layer or Split mode, 2 MIDi Zones in Layer or Split mode
- Edit functions: Global Edit (8 parameters), Program Edit (4 parameters), Part Edit (13 parameters), Mixer (Lower / Upper / Zone A / Zone B control)
- Master controls: Bass, Treble, Mastering, Volume
- MIDI Module: 2 Programmable Zones - A/B, Program Change, Bank Select (LSB, MSB), MIDI Channel, Volume, Split assign, Transpose, Octave Pedals 1-2 assign, Sticks 1-2 assign

Speaker system:
- 10 + 10W built-in digital Amplifier
- 2 Elliptical full range speakers

Controls / UI:
- OLED display 128 x 64 dots
- Encoder with push function
- 7 potentiometer
- 20 buttons
- Sticks: Stick 1: Pitch, Stick 2: Mod + FX Control

Connections:
- Audio OUT: 2x 6,3 mm mono jack (L+R)
- Headphones: 6,3 mm TRS jack (programmable as Aux out)
- Pedals: Expression, Universal
- MIDI: In, Out
- USB: USB to Host, MIDI, power

Power supply:
- DC IN: 12V
- Adapter: Input: 100-240V / Output: 12V-1A

Size and Weight:
- Width: 127 cm / 50"
- Depth: 23 cm / 9"
- Height: 10 cm / 4"
- Weight: 7,1 Kg / 15,6 lbs

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Internal speakers and below 8 kg - that sounds great! If the sounds are cool and the keys don't feel to crappy, I'll buy it ;-)

Best regards, Alex (not affiliated in any way with Studiologic)


Edited by Alexander Nagel (01/16/17 06:18 AM)
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#2828459 - 01/16/17 05:37 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Alexander Nagel]
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Wow, the Numa Compact 2 sounds great. I really like the original, in terms of decent sound and feel in a super lightweight board, I gig with it a lot.

The addition of aftertouch alone is remarkable, even for those looking for a lightweight controller with more than 61 keys and aftertouch.

Internal speakers can be handy. And while I like to have Line Inputs on boards with internal speakers, that' a quibble here.

The Numa Compact seemed to have been largely derived from the Numa Piano (which had a fully weighted action but was electronically quite similar), but they had taken out the Split function, I'm glad to see that's back (especially as someone who plays a good deal of LH bass). Something else they had taken out were the bass and treble controls, I"m glad to see they're back, especially as I think the EPs--although quite good--benefitted from a little treble roll-off (though we don't know yet if the new model has identical EP sounds). It would be nice to be able to store EQ in a preset, though it looks like that is not the case.

The piano sound was usable, though had some odd quirks, particularly some samples being placed incorrectly in the stereo field. I hope that's fixed, though it never affected me as I played it mono anyway,

The new version is using little sticks instead of the pitch/mod wheel, I'll reserve judgment until I get more detail, but that might be a small step in the wrong direction.

One of the biggest shortcomings of the original as a controller is that, while it could usefully store MIDI presets, they could only be recalled through scrolling... the patch select buttons worked to recall user presets of internal sounds, but (unless I missed something) could not be used to recall user presets of external sounds. I hope that's been addressed.

Anyway, this is definitely on my Buy list.

Here's info from the web site:

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/
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#2828461 - 01/16/17 05:50 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Studio Logic has been very busy these last few years. Rumor has it this won't be their only announcement.

On the Compact 2 - is this their TP-9 or 8 action?

Questions that immediately come to mind...
Also where are they sourcing / commissioning their sounds?
Is the organ section based on their Numa Organ 2 or samples?
Pianos modeled like on the Physis? Or samples?
Synth section samples or the Sledge's Waldorf engine.

Their marketing copy suggests its 1gb of samples on flash ram. Next question, well users be able to upload samples? They seem to have added a pretty potent fx section allowing for up to 6 at a time.


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#2828479 - 01/16/17 06:52 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2828482 - 01/16/17 06:58 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The website says TP9. I thought that was Fatar's synth action keyboard. According to the Kurzweil website, it's a "lightly weighted synth action"

I can't see playing piano on that.
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#2828483 - 01/16/17 06:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
On the Compact 2 - is this their TP-9 or 8 action?

Two posts above your question. First section under "Specs:"
Originally Posted By: Alexander Nagel
Keyboard:
- 88 Keys, TP/9 PIANO semi-weighted Action
- Dual switch detection system
- Afertouch(sic)



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Edited by vonnor (01/16/17 07:05 AM)
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#2828484 - 01/16/17 07:01 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Rusty Mike]
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TP9 is a semi-weighted action, but it's used mostly in synth. QS7, Andromeda, DSI PEK and many others have this keybed. It's pretty great - makes it possible to play piano on an action that's mainly designed for synths.

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#2828507 - 01/16/17 08:05 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Browsing the Studiologic website, apparently TP/9 comes in a couple of flavors: TP/9 S (synth?) and TP/9 Piano - each with various weightings. For example, one of the differences between the Sledge II and the Sledge Black is an upgrade in action from TP/9S unweighted to TP/9S semi-weighted.

I was researching this last week because in spite of the general release of the Deepmind 12 just getting underway, I'm more interested in the Sledge Black. Splits, layers, 5 octave real estate, and striking looks all are a better fit for me live.

I know this probably sounds ridiculous to most of you, but that's just me...

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#2828512 - 01/16/17 08:23 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Bill H.]
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Not when the Sledge is 24 poly, extensively tactile, and as you mentioned has a more keys, splits/layers. If it's right for you, hey... right tool for the right job.
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#2828587 - 01/16/17 12:21 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Questions that immediately come to mind...
Also where are they sourcing / commissioning their sounds?
Is the organ section based on their Numa Organ 2 or samples?
Pianos modeled like on the Physis? Or samples?

Organ presets, no drawbar control or other parameter adjustments, would lead me to presume samples. Not much reason to put in a fancy tonewheel modeling engine that can't do anything but playback a dozen presets. And this is still presumably going to be something of a budget board.

Similarly, I would assume straight samples on the piano, they have never had a modeled piano. If they came out with one, we'd likely see it first on a high end rather than budget keyboard, and they'd probably make mention of it.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
They seem to have added a pretty potent fx section allowing for up to 6 at a time.

It is described this way:

Quote:
Up to 6 effects simultaneously: 2 FX on Lower + 2 FX on Upper + Reverb + String resonance
FX1: Drive, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger
FX2: Rotary, Tremolo, Pan Trem, Delay
REVERB: Room, Hall, Plate, Spring
String Resonance on all Piano sounds with level control


So, not really a ton of fx... on a single sound, you can pick one from the FX1 list, one from the FX2 list, and reverb. (Plus string resonance if it's a piano.) Still a perfectly decent selection for a budget board of its type, I think.
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#2828618 - 01/16/17 02:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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I've been a long time away from the Keyboard Corner, and I apologize if this is inappropriate, but ...

I've been working with a soon-to-be instrument importer/distributor/developer called Key Magic, and we'll be showing off two new keyboard products in Hall E, Booth 1177.

The first is a Eurorack modular system from Vinicius Electrik, which includes a killer module called the MonsterDrone.

The second (which I'm really excited about) is a real, bona fide, no BS, old school reed electric piano. No MIDI, nothing digital, not even a power button.

If you're there, come by and see us. We'll be in the basement in a corner booth on a wide aisle. smile
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#2828624 - 01/16/17 02:52 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Jason Stanfield]
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Nice to see you back, Jason. Whatever happened to the Tokai/Ventura organ? Tough market, I know. I wonder how they would do (or would have done) marketing it as a controller, even with no sounds in it. With things like VB3/Mainstage/Gemini/HX3 seemingly getting more prevalent... that organ seems like it would be great just as a controller... decent action, light weight, two sets of drawbars, pitch and mod wheels, MIDI-friendly buttons... just as a controller, it seems like it's what a lot of people here might like, as everything else out there seems to have either only 1 set of drawbars, or no pitch/mod wheels, or weigh a lot...
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#2828675 - 01/16/17 06:16 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Alexander Nagel]
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Originally Posted By: Alexander Nagel
Studiologic announced their "numa compact 2":

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/


Nice! Ticks a lot of boxes! wink
7 kg is crazy light!

Any word on pricing?

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#2828681 - 01/16/17 06:49 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Nice to see you back, Jason.


+1. for whatever reason I was thinking about you a while ago, wondering what had happened. Keep in touch. Really interested in the EP you had mentioned.
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#2828683 - 01/16/17 07:03 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: davedoerfler]
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Teenage Engineering teaser

What did they make?

Sampler?

https://www.gearnews.com/pocket-operator-sampler-teenage-engineering/

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#2828688 - 01/16/17 07:15 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Folks that do AUDIO CUBES announces Synthor System 8 Digital Modular Synthesis System

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#2828698 - 01/16/17 07:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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CDM seems confident no hardware updates or product releases from Nord this time around.

Steinway No. 1 and Royal Grand 3D (a binaural dummy head recording of a grand. That should give you the feeling of sitting at the piano, which I think will make this particularly nice for anyone using a Nord for practice). Appear to be what's news from Nord Clavia.

http://cdm.link/2017/01/now-nord-can-sound-like-first-steinway-no-1/
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#2828721 - 01/16/17 09:52 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
CDM seems confident no hardware updates or product releases from Nord this time around.


Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from the article.
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#2828724 - 01/16/17 10:25 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
CDM seems confident no hardware updates or product releases from Nord this time around.


Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from the article.


He may be referring to this: "Clavia aren’t unveiling any new gear this week..." (which is slightly different from "updates or product releases," to be sure).
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#2828733 - 01/17/17 12:34 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
CDM seems confident no hardware updates or product releases from Nord this time around.


Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from the article.


He may be referring to this: "Clavia aren’t unveiling any new gear this week..." (which is slightly different from "updates or product releases," to be sure).


Goodness me I must be getting old, I could have sworn I didn't see that line when reading the article. ;(

Time to rest those tired eyes, I think.

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#2828740 - 01/17/17 03:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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...and this is great news for Nord Stage 2 owners. Getting new instruments for free instead of spending a fortune on Stage 3 wink

Great job, Nord!
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#2828752 - 01/17/17 05:13 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Kawai James]
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Hi, James!

I read thru the posted manual for the new ES-110 on the Kawai website, and I have a few additional questions;

1) How does the new action differ in terms of responsiveness?

2) Does the onboard Bluetooth capability also support bi-directional audio as well, or is it strictly Bluetooth MIDI?

3) Any possibility of an 1/8" audio line-in being added to the production version to take advantage of the built-in speakers?

I think that this board could potentially be a great low cost 88 note weighted "Expander"/rehearsal keyboard and the registration feature is very cleverly designed to be a one-button press for onstage use as well.
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#2828799 - 01/17/17 07:36 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I think the bluetooth is in lieu of an 1/8th"/3.5mm jack. It's intended for you to stream audio to the ES-110's internal speaker system from your phone, tablet, computer, etc. Which by and large is ok, you can easily play in time with what you are hearing in realtime from the Bluetooth audio.

Keeping old school 5pin MIDI is a blessing, they could have said just USB. But what's odd to me is making the call to drop USB for Bluetooth MIDI exclusively, right? There's no USB on it at all. <shrug>

Here is my concern if this particular choice becomes popular with manufacturers. How crap is the latency from ES-110 Bluetooth MIDI -> Computer -> Software sound engine's required buffer -> Bluetooth audio transmission -> Bluetooth audio receiver on the ES-110's sound system to your ear.

Like what is round trip from MIDI transmission to you hearing a software instrument from the ES-110's speakers if you use Bluetooth audio back (since there's no analog in)?
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#2828803 - 01/17/17 07:51 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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NORD
Gospel Classics Collection
Available for download on January 19th.


"Nord is introducing vintage digital pianos to the free Nord Piano Library with the Gospel Classics Collection which they say covers the classic vintage digital pianos that have been the foundation of the gospel sound since the 80's, including original sounds from the legendary MKS-20, MK-80 and JD-800. In addition to the original sounds, Nord tells us that US based keyboardist Ondre J has created 10 Gospel layered patches based on his vast knowledge and experience from the Gospel world."

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/17/vintage-digital-pianos-for-nord-piano-library/
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#2828804 - 01/17/17 07:52 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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ELEKTRON
These guys are teasing something this week...

It looks like Elektron will be showing something new at the NAMM show according to this teaser pic which has the caption NAMM, January 19th – 22nd, Hall B, booth 5420. Any ideas what it might be? Stay tuned and we'll bring you the details from the show on Thursday...

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/17/elektron-want-to-show-you-something-new/
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#2828953 - 01/17/17 04:55 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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PLUS PEDAL
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Booth 2008

"The PLUS pedal is a new kind of audio processing engine that offers piano-style sustain for electric guitars and all other melodic instruments. This is more than just a stompbox – it is a vast extension of your instrument that bridges the gap between rhythm and lead playing and lets players explore totally new territories."

"The PLUS Pedal does not generate sounds with oscillators and filters! Instead – think of it as a sort of “Smart Looper” that only catches the second half of each note or chord you play and samples that short snippet of sound into a seamless, continuous loop."

So it's like some sampled instrument schemes where you loop the tail of a recording rather than using long samples.



Guitarists wheezling in on the function and style our sustain pedal. Hmpf! wink

Actually - I am kind of wondering how it would sound on digital and electric pianos where you don't have a grand piano's sustenuto pedal to catch just the notes you want and play unsustained over it.
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#2828977 - 01/17/17 07:45 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Ted Greene would be all over that Plus Pedal if he were alive today, especially when playing Debussy compositions - as y'all know, ol' Claude was all about the sustain pedal.



Yes, if you wait long enough the video shows him playing the piece live, for somebody's wedding.
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#2828999 - 01/17/17 09:19 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Full size Korg Arp Odyssey
Goodbye mini keys. wink

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/12/full-size-korg-arp-odyssey/

Korg is pointing out it will be limited addition, assembled in US.


Now, that's nice. Look at the size comparison at the 20 second mark. That's what 14% shrinkage can do: "Significant shrinkage."


Hated the sound of the Odyssey then, still hate the sound now.
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#2829000 - 01/17/17 09:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: HammondDave]
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#2829017 - 01/17/17 11:51 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Hi, James!

I read thru the posted manual for the new ES-110 on the Kawai website, and I have a few additional questions...


Thank for your questions about the ES110 The_Star_Guy.

In order to keep the thread on-topic, may I request that you repost your queries on the separate ES110 thread started by Elmer here, please?

Thank you in advance!

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#2829028 - 01/18/17 04:06 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Bronks]
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...and this is great news for Nord Stage 2 owners. Getting new instruments for free instead of spending a fortune on Stage 3 wink

Great job, Nord!


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#2829063 - 01/18/17 07:05 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Ulf]
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Spacestation XL.

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#2829079 - 01/18/17 08:15 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: hardware]
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You have anything more on the XL?
No news on their site and no press kit shared with dealers yet...
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#2829083 - 01/18/17 08:52 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Image someone captured in the Roland VR feed suggesting new 88-key synth.



Busch.

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#2829085 - 01/18/17 09:12 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
You have anything more on the XL?
No news on their site and no press kit shared with dealers yet...


It's classified.
But my bro's that can tolerate NAMMs Guitar and Drum gauntlets will send me pics and a pre order for one.
Also says he is expanding to brick and mortar stores.
Sweetwater will still be stocking CPS gear since they were the go to guys, and operate from Concrete Tilt Ups. Not quite Brick and Mortar. Good enough though.

Check FB Page.
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#2829094 - 01/18/17 10:03 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: hardware]
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Bugger, I just ordered the v3 and have a tracking #.

re: Roland - would love to see FAs updated.
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#2829166 - 01/18/17 02:29 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Image someone captured in the Roland VR feed suggesting new 88-key synth.

Cool. Hoping for a new Roland flagship piece.
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#2829168 - 01/18/17 02:31 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Is anyone at Radial willing to provide a Key Largo ETA?
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#2829172 - 01/18/17 02:39 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Image someone captured in the Roland VR feed suggesting new 88-key synth.

Cool. Hoping for a new Roland flagship piece.


Wow, that would be great. I'd consider a compact, lighter 'all-around' - especially if it was a link forward from my JP-50, and especially if it came in a lightly weighted 76.
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#2829173 - 01/18/17 02:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: timwat]
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Personally, I think Korg's Gadget works best in a touch / iOS environment but I'm intrigued by the OSX version.

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#2829174 - 01/18/17 02:44 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Bugger, I just ordered the v3 and have a tracking #.

re: Roland - would love to see FAs updated.


I am holding out for it.
I'll sell my Nord S2 and FA06 to get one hopefully
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#2829178 - 01/18/17 02:54 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Image someone captured in the Roland VR feed suggesting new 88-key synth.

Cool. Hoping for a new Roland flagship piece.


Me three
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#2829180 - 01/18/17 03:09 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: EscapeRocks]
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#2829195 - 01/18/17 04:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Image someone captured in the Roland VR feed suggesting new 88-key synth.

Cool. Hoping for a new Roland flagship piece.


How about the RD-2000?





Edited by Sven Golly (01/18/17 04:38 PM)
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#2829199 - 01/18/17 04:57 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Sven Golly]
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Well hot dang. Been waiting all month for this sort of news.
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#2829209 - 01/18/17 05:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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What the heck is DSI up to?
Hopefully another "Didn't see that coming!"
I saw a blurb with a hand playing a dense
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that is not so limiting way too expensive.
If anyone could do it, DSI is my bet.
Two OB-6' s in a 61 key box and you can
just take my money right now!
Or heck, 6 OB and 6 Pro.

Those were good times with the OB-8,
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#2829213 - 01/18/17 05:38 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Hoochie]
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There's like 20 vids of the Roland RD-2000 up now, including walkthrus by Scott Tibbs, and demos by Myron McKinley:
https://www.youtube.com/user/RolandChannel/videos


Product page:
https://www.roland.com/global/products/rd-2000/
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#2829225 - 01/18/17 06:15 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Well hot dang. Been waiting all month for this sort of news.

"everything you could imagine, it's all here in the RD-2000" facepalm
at least he didn't say it was a "game changer" wink
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#2829227 - 01/18/17 06:21 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Well hot dang. Been waiting all month for this sort of news.

"everything you could imagine, it's all here in the RD-2000" facepalm
at least he didn't say it was a "game changer" wink


Ha ha, well you know - It's a full size instrument, weighted action stage piano (PHA-50) plus some. A lot more interesting to me than a new Volca or Boutique (not that those aren't fun). YMMV wink
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#2829230 - 01/18/17 06:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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This one is hilarious - the GUI alone....

http://cdm.link/2017/01/po-32-tonic-complete-drum-synth-pocket-89/


The PO-32 Tonic is a complete drum synth in your pocket for $89.

mic for transferring sounds
16 sounds
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sequencer
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LCD display
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battery powered (2 x AAA)
1 month battery life
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#2829240 - 01/18/17 07:35 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2829244 - 01/18/17 08:02 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829245 - 01/18/17 08:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829269 - 01/18/17 10:28 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829270 - 01/18/17 10:50 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829318 - 01/19/17 06:04 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: hardware]
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You have anything more on the XL?
No news on their site and no press kit shared with dealers yet...


It's classified.
But my bro's that can tolerate NAMMs Guitar and Drum gauntlets will send me pics and a pre order for one.
Also says he is expanding to brick and mortar stores.
Sweetwater will still be stocking CPS gear since they were the go to guys, and operate from Concrete Tilt Ups. Not quite Brick and Mortar. Good enough though.

Check FB Page.


No longer classified. From Aspen's website:

APD products are attending NAMM, booth 6872 and debuting their new Center Point Stereo Spacestation XL.

But the ‘big news’ is that for the first time Aspen will be offering a limited number of exclusive Dealer Partnerships to brick and mortar music stores across the country. This marks the first time APD has had the production levels required to support a limited Dealer Partnership network... Sweetwater Sound will continue to be APD’s primary web based Dealer Partner as the company expands it’s brick and mortar Dealer Partnership network.”
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#2829324 - 01/19/17 06:28 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: wineandkeyz]
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Originally Posted By: hardware
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You have anything more on the XL?
No news on their site and no press kit shared with dealers yet...


It's classified.
But my bro's that can tolerate NAMMs Guitar and Drum gauntlets will send me pics and a pre order for one.
Also says he is expanding to brick and mortar stores.
Sweetwater will still be stocking CPS gear since they were the go to guys, and operate from Concrete Tilt Ups. Not quite Brick and Mortar. Good enough though.

Check FB Page.


No longer classified. From Aspen's website:

APD products are attending NAMM, booth 6872 and debuting their new Center Point Stereo Spacestation XL.

But the ‘big news’ is that for the first time Aspen will be offering a limited number of exclusive Dealer Partnerships to brick and mortar music stores across the country. This marks the first time APD has had the production levels required to support a limited Dealer Partnership network... Sweetwater Sound will continue to be APD’s primary web based Dealer Partner as the company expands it’s brick and mortar Dealer Partnership network.”


My v.3 just arrived. It sounds great. Will have to be satisfied for now. pfff. GAS
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#2829351 - 01/19/17 07:50 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Aspen posted, "MAP $1,399. Twice the channels, and more than twice the power and speakers as it's little brother the SS3. The SXL also has 2 new patent applications. One for our unique offset side facing recessed inputs, and another for a new technology we call DTA (Digital Transducer Alignment) that allows us to use dispersed dual side speakers in a separate internally tuned cabinet to enhance the 3D stereo effect of the SS3."

Link to image/ad <- I hope this works off of FB

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#2829359 - 01/19/17 07:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Cool little Dave Smith / Pioneer module:


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#2829362 - 01/19/17 08:06 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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#2829368 - 01/19/17 08:19 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC

Very interesting! Looks like a 73-key E-to-E, with a panel layout vaguely reminiscent of the SV1, maybe this is essentially the "SV2"?.It's got pitch/mod wheels, too. All that blank panel space in the back could indicate a nicer action (deeper keys with pivot points that are further back tend to play better), though it also implies additional travel weight, very curious about the feel and weight of this. I do like that the controls are moved forward on the panel with blank space behind, better for stackability than the boards with deep control surfaces.
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#2829369 - 01/19/17 08:22 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: GregC

Very interesting! Looks like a 73-key E-to-E, with a panel layout vaguely reminiscent of the SV1, maybe this is essentially the "SV2"?.It's got pitch/mod wheels, too. All that blank panel space in the back could indicate a nicer action (deeper keys with pivot points that are further back tend to play better), though it also implies additional travel weight, very curious about the feel and weight of this. I do like that the controls are moved forward on the panel with blank space behind, better for stackability than the boards with deep control surfaces.


This would be welcome... Concept? They haven't dropped shit yet for copy.
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#2829370 - 01/19/17 08:24 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Pic of new Dave Smith thing:





Edited by GovernorSilver (01/19/17 08:27 AM)
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#2829375 - 01/19/17 08:41 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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roll Steve got a friendly audience in there, doncha think? grin

On top of that, he does an A/B comparison of the mic with sim vs. the mic being simulated, on the drum kit with the drums in the room with the audience. Do you really think they could hear anything over the sound of the actual drums??? rolleyes

That's no judgement of the tech he's presenting which could be really cool, just the hyped presentation he decided to do.

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#2829382 - 01/19/17 09:07 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Joe Muscara]
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#2829391 - 01/19/17 09:32 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: davedoerfler]
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#2829403 - 01/19/17 10:07 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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16 dual DCO voices. 5 octaves. Bi-timbral. Keyboard Corner.

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#2829448 - 01/19/17 12:09 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: dsetto]
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#2829450 - 01/19/17 12:13 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829452 - 01/19/17 12:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829453 - 01/19/17 12:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Hoochie]
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Originally Posted By: Hoochie
What the heck is DSI up to?
Hopefully another "Didn't see that coming!"
I saw a blurb with a hand playing a dense
chord on something.

I really wish someone would get us
back in the saddle with a split/layer analog
that is not so limiting way too expensive.
If anyone could do it, DSI is my bet.
Two OB-6' s in a 61 key box and you can
just take my money right now!
Or heck, 6 OB and 6 Pro.

Those were good times with the OB-8,
Jupiter 8, Prophet T 8, CS 80, etc.

John


Guess I should have got a lottery ticket last night. Oh well.
I hope it has some of the grunt of the prophet 6.

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#2829454 - 01/19/17 12:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: dsetto]
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16 dual DCO voices. 5 octaves. Bi-timbral. Keyboard Corner.


Yeah, my GAS meter just pegged.
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#2829466 - 01/19/17 01:16 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: GregC

Very interesting! Looks like a 73-key E-to-E, with a panel layout vaguely reminiscent of the SV1, maybe this is essentially the "SV2"?.It's got pitch/mod wheels, too. All that blank panel space in the back could indicate a nicer action (deeper keys with pivot points that are further back tend to play better), though it also implies additional travel weight, very curious about the feel and weight of this. I do like that the controls are moved forward on the panel with blank space behind, better for stackability than the boards with deep control surfaces.


This would be welcome... Concept? They haven't dropped shit yet for copy.


Wondering the same thing. The GrandStage isn't on their product page for release. Guessing it's a shell for display - like the JD-XA at NAMM a few years back. Maybe we'll hear it at 'Messe, or Summer NAMM.
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#2829477 - 01/19/17 02:03 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: allan_evett]
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Concept / early prototype is my guess. That cabinet looks ugly as sin in those picture.


Edited by CEB (01/19/17 02:03 PM)

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#2829482 - 01/19/17 02:14 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: EscapeRocks]
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there's a balance between:
a player, a sound-designer, sound-connoisseur, price

this hits the 1st two great and market-reasonable on the 4th. DSI's offerings that hit high on the 3rd, fall on the other 3. I may finally stop trying to coax a real-time, programmable poly-analogue out of my XF7.

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#2829493 - 01/19/17 02:34 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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#2829494 - 01/19/17 02:39 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Anyone seen this?


Edited by Alexander Nagel (01/19/17 02:39 PM)
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#2829496 - 01/19/17 02:51 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Alexander Nagel]
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Yeah I saw similar pics - if price is right, MIGHT be a PX replacement!

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#2829501 - 01/19/17 03:09 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Alexander Nagel]
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Anyone seen this?


Yeah That is the ugly one.

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#2829506 - 01/19/17 03:13 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: CEB]
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This year's NAMM = Nothing Available Maybe Messe

Product announcements are rather underwhelming, IMO.

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#2829507 - 01/19/17 03:14 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: CEB]
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The founder of ADAM Audio has a new speaker company, HEDD.

http://www.hedd.audio/en/

I talked to his son for a bit. Says they have two guys in their factory in Berlin who do nothing but hand-fold ribbon tweeters all day. They used to be watchmakers.

The speakers look nice, and for as far you can tell on the NAMM floor, they sounded pretty good, too
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#2829508 - 01/19/17 03:15 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Originally Posted By: Alexander Nagel
Anyone seen this?


Yeah That is the ugly one.

Except for that odd texture of the back half of the top panel, I think it looks quite nice. Maybe that's photographing strangely, or is a prototype finish...
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#2829510 - 01/19/17 03:25 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: davedoerfler]
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Jim, you didn't like my post? laugh

Maybe he meant to post this: wink



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#2829512 - 01/19/17 03:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829513 - 01/19/17 03:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: dsetto]
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Originally Posted By: dsetto
there's a balance between:
a player, a sound-designer, sound-connoisseur, price

this hits the 1st two great and market-reasonable on the 4th. DSI's offerings that hit high on the 3rd, fall on the other 3. I may finally stop trying to coax a real-time, programmable poly-analogue out of my XF7.


Don't understand. What are you referring to by "this"?
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#2829515 - 01/19/17 03:28 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829521 - 01/19/17 03:44 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Might be a way to bring Kronos sounds into the Grandstage, don't know. Obviously a lot of crossover but the Kronos is bar far more programmable and flexible (combis, set list, sequencer, etc.)

No indication of timeframe nor price.

Heard there will only be 100 of the gold Kronos made!

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#2829524 - 01/19/17 04:05 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Might be a way to bring Kronos sounds into the Grandstage, don't know. Obviously a lot of crossover but the Kronos is bar far more programmable and flexible (combis, set list, sequencer, etc.)

No indication of timeframe nor price.

Heard there will only be 100 of the gold Kronos made!

Busch.


Any idea what the 73 keybed is? Piano or synth action?

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#2829527 - 01/19/17 04:10 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: flatfender]
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#2829528 - 01/19/17 04:13 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Might be a way to bring Kronos sounds into the Grandstage, don't know. Obviously a lot of crossover but the Kronos is bar far more programmable and flexible (combis, set list, sequencer, etc.)

No indication of timeframe nor price.

Heard there will only be 100 of the gold Kronos made!

Busch.


Cool, thanks for the info!

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#2829529 - 01/19/17 04:20 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: miden]
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Both the 73/88 look to be RH3 weighted actions. This is really the SV-1 replacement.

Also, above I stated splits/layers. Not sure about that. It might only be splits.

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#2829530 - 01/19/17 04:28 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Both the 73/88 look to be RH3 weighted actions. This is really the SV-1 replacement.

Also, above I stated splits/layers. Not sure about that. It might only be splits.

Busch.


Thanks for the info. Cool that you're there.

I've really been wishing for a 73/76 synth action Kronos to replace my aging triton extreme 76, but then again who on this board hasn't.

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#2829531 - 01/19/17 04:40 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: flatfender]
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#2829535 - 01/19/17 04:59 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829538 - 01/19/17 05:22 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Joe Muscara]
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roll Steve got a friendly audience in there, doncha think? grin

On top of that, he does an A/B comparison of the mic with sim vs. the mic being simulated, on the drum kit with the drums in the room with the audience. Do you really think they could hear anything over the sound of the actual drums??? rolleyes

That's no judgement of the tech he's presenting which could be really cool, just the hyped presentation he decided to do.

True, Joe, Slate has never been accused of understatement. wink I have friends who won't even try Slate products because his hype puts them off. As for me, it's not a deal breaker. I own and enjoy a number of their plug-ins.

To help cut through the hype, I included—in the second half of my post you quoted—a comparison by Sound On Sound that sheds some light on the microphone part of the equation. FWIW, here it is again:

Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace

And the full review is here:

Sound On Sound Review: Slate Digital Virtual Microphone System

Last, but not least, Sound On Sound takes a look at the latest addition:



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#2829539 - 01/19/17 05:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Sam Mullins]
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Originally Posted By: dsetto
there's a balance between:
a player, a sound-designer, sound-connoisseur, price

this hits the 1st two great and market-reasonable on the 4th. DSI's offerings that hit high on the 3rd, fall on the other 3.


Don't understand. What are you referring to by "this"?
[quote=Sam Mullins]

Sorry for being cryptic. By 'this' I am referring to P'08 Rev 2. The P6/OB-6 excel on tone. I appreciate good tone. But, at this moment, I'm leaning to yielding on tone to get what the rev 2's got.

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#2829542 - 01/19/17 05:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: dsetto]
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Sorry for being cryptic. By 'this' I am referring to P'08 Rev 2. The P6/OB-6 excel on tone. I appreciate good tone. But, at this moment, I'm leaning to yielding on tone to get what the rev 2's got.


Ah...got it.
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#2829543 - 01/19/17 05:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Maybe that will help get the weight down from the tubby SV1 despite the same RH3 action. If nothing else, the shape looks easier to handle, which would help too.

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I believe the seven engines are:
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EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ


Vox/Farfisa? Interesting. Are they still showing this too?

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#2829546 - 01/19/17 05:52 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2829548 - 01/19/17 05:57 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829549 - 01/19/17 06:00 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Vox/Farfisa? Interesting. Are they still showing this too?





Yes. It was upside down so I couldn't play it but the action felt similar to the Kronos LS, which means a semi-weighted feel but different than the Kronos 61. It might be safe to assume the Vox has the same basic technology under the hood that is found in the GrandStage. So this would be the semi-weighted version. Actually is kind of cool that the semi-weighted/organ action has an organ layout while the weighted action has a stage piano layout vs. going with a generic layout for both.

Korg needs to get these past the prototype stage.

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#2829550 - 01/19/17 06:17 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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From the details you've shared, Bush. It sounds like the Grand Stage is further along in development than the VOX. Did they hint at all at target price point? Can this board really finally have trickle down tech from the Kronos in the same price range as the current SV-1?
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#2829552 - 01/19/17 06:31 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829561 - 01/19/17 07:03 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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It might be safe to assume the Vox has the same basic technology under the hood that is found in the GrandStage. So this would be the semi-weighted version. Actually is kind of cool that the semi-weighted/organ action has an organ layout while the weighted action has a stage piano layout vs. going with a generic layout for both.

Yes, that is cool. If the sonic guts are the same between the two and they really want to think outside the box, the actual motherboard/drive/audio electronics could be its own module which you would plug into the chassis of your choice to complete the instrument. So if you want the piano, you buy the GrandStage housing and the electronics module; if you want the organ you buy the Vox and the electronics module; and if you want both, you could buy the two housings, and just one module, which you would put in one of the two housings, using MIDI to connect the two housings so that the two different actions and sets of controls could drive the single set of electronics. People could then buy a stack of two (or expand from one to two) at a lower cost and without feeling they were buying a bunch of stuff in the second keyboard that they already owned in the first.
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#2829580 - 01/19/17 08:10 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2829614 - 01/19/17 11:11 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Two highlights for me today.

Played the Yamaha CF6 in the side room at the Marriott. Man I love that piano ! I almost wasn't able to get in. You need an "appointment" now….what ?!! That's a first. smirk Luckily I ran into someone with Yamaha I knew that was able to get me in. The upside is that I had the room to myself for about 20 minutes. I was told on Sunday you don't need an appointment.

Was playing the Faziolis upstairs and had just gotten off the 278 when Herbie and a small entourage came into the booth area. He looks good at 70 whatever. thu

Like the Faziolis but I think my taste is shifting -I prefer the Yamaha 7' handmade model to the Fazioli 212.
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#2829615 - 01/19/17 11:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Ferris]
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#2829616 - 01/19/17 11:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Was playing the Faziolis upstairs and had just gotten off the 278 when Herbie and a small entourage came into the booth area. He looks good at 70 whatever. thu


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#2829621 - 01/20/17 01:23 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Hereby I would like to state that I have predicted this.
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Might be a way to bring Kronos sounds into the Grandstage, don't know. Obviously a lot of crossover but the Kronos is bar far more programmable and flexible (combis, set list, sequencer, etc.)

No indication of timeframe nor price.

Heard there will only be 100 of the gold Kronos made!

Busch.


I really hope they include the MOD-7 as well. Seems it would make sense to have it in an instrument like this.
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#2829629 - 01/20/17 04:27 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Mr T, Sweden]
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#2829634 - 01/20/17 04:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Mr T, Sweden]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sat in the on the demo of the GrandStage. 88/73 key versions. Both are very compact but I could find no wasted space with the 73.

Pianos included:
New Italian Grand (assume Faziloi)
New Yamaha Upright
German Grand
Yamaha Grand
Austrian Grand
Berlin Grand
New CP80

I believe the seven engines are:
SGX-2
EP-1
CX-3
HD-1
AL-1
Vox Organ
Farfisa Organ

Comes with 400 programs
Layers/Splits
Might be a way to bring Kronos sounds into the Grandstage, don't know. Obviously a lot of crossover but the Kronos is bar far more programmable and flexible (combis, set list, sequencer, etc.)

No indication of timeframe nor price.

Heard there will only be 100 of the gold Kronos made!

Busch.


I really hope they include the MOD-7 as well. Seems it would make sense to have it in an instrument like this.


I agree, if there were one more engine to be had, that would be my pick. Conceptually, I see this largely as a board of "classic sounds." In that respect, it doesn't call out so much for a myriad of different VA engines, so the absence of those makes sense. But FM is its own animal and was a staple of the 80s, and it would be nicer to have "the real thing" in there rather than a handful of rompler sampled versions of some of these sounds.

Another approach they could take is to make the engine optional, i.e. something that could be enabled with, say, a $99 purchase of a download.
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#2829650 - 01/20/17 05:51 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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True, Joe, Slate has never been accused of understatement. wink I have friends who won't even try Slate products because his hype puts them off. As for me, it's not a deal breaker. I own and enjoy a number of their plug-ins.

To help cut through the hype, I included—in the second half of my post you quoted—a comparison by Sound On Sound that sheds some light on the microphone part of the equation. FWIW, here it is again:
Thanks for the links and info, Geoff. I have no problem with Slate. I just found that presentation pretty funny. I'm intrigued by many of his products, but I'm not at the point where I'm ready for that much realism because right now I'm just lucky if I get something sounding good! grin

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#2829684 - 01/20/17 08:23 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Joe Muscara]
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As a wannabe guitarist (who started decades too late, darn it) I've been following some of the modeling action. There are a few products now getting in on the cab modeling action, which by most accounts is pretty important in getting a good sound. Atomic has a smaller version of the Amplifire that has my interest...you can load a couple amps of your choice, and IRs (I think), but you'd need a computer to change them out (unlike the bigger Amplifire unit). By the time I'm good enough to play out on a few tunes with my band I'm sure something good will be in my price range LOL smile

Actually I'm getting a pretty good sound from my Fender-amp-in-a-box pedal, surprisingly good...just feed that thing into my keys submixer and off I go smile


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#2829709 - 01/20/17 09:26 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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In addition to the larger space station, Aspen Pitman invented a new microphone. Very difficult to evaluate the sound in such a space, but my first impression was "wow. Inexpensive But it sounded expensive."

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#2829712 - 01/20/17 09:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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PLUS PEDAL
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"The PLUS pedal is a new kind of audio processing engine that offers piano-style sustain for electric guitars and all other melodic instruments. This is more than just a stompbox – it is a vast extension of your instrument that bridges the gap between rhythm and lead playing and lets players explore totally new territories."

"The PLUS Pedal does not generate sounds with oscillators and filters! Instead – think of it as a sort of “Smart Looper” that only catches the second half of each note or chord you play and samples that short snippet of sound into a seamless, continuous loop."

So it's like some sampled instrument schemes where you loop the tail of a recording rather than using long samples.



Thanks to this post, I made my way over to the far reaches of the exhibition hall and found this booth. They are a bunch of guys from Latvia, and most of the stuff there were brass instruments. He did the demonstration with a trombone! This of course immediately brought to mind the possibilities with a monosynth. Turns out you have 10 seconds of sampling time in which to actually build chords, you can get some really cool drones happening, and then play over the top of it. In addition, there is a kind of reverse mode in which the sound only played when you pressed the pedal, you were able to get all these Frippertronic type effects going on. I can definitely see myself getting one of these things when they become available…very impressed with the possibilities.

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#2829713 - 01/20/17 09:34 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Stokely]
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Originally Posted By: Stokely
As a wannabe guitarist (who started decades too late, darn it) I've been following some of the modeling action.


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#2829720 - 01/20/17 09:47 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Marzzz]
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I posted about my day on the floor yesterday here: https://mennodeboer.com/2017/01/20/namm-2017-day-one/

Things I'd like to highlight:

If it has the piano/EP sounds of the Kronos/Krome, the Korg GrandStage looks like a fine replacement for my NordPiano. It has all the right features and connections, and I love how compact it is.

I had never heard of them, but there is another Italian keyboard manufacturer called Dexibell. Their stagepianos Vivo S7 and S3 feel like mature products, although I didn't spend a lot of time with them (it was almost 6PM). I was surprised and hope to play them again in a quieter setting. Photos on the aforementioned blog post.

I was keen to try out the Studiologic SL88 controllers, especially the Studio model as it is aggresively priced at $499. I love how they look but I didn't get on with the action on the Studio. OTOH, the Grand model felt great and is worth the extra is cost.

The BomeBox is a neat little MIDI hub that connects via DIN, USB, Ethernet and WiFi.

Schertler is a Swiss manufacturer of combo amps in gorgeous wooden cabinets. They ship to the US, shipping/handling and import duties on their dime, and a 30-day money back guarantee. Unfortunately, I missed the demo, but if they sound as good as they look...

I got to meet KC's own Jason Stanfield who was there with the Valente, a sexy electro-mechanical keyboard made in Brazil.

I may have to come back tomorrow, as there is a bunch of other stuff I want to check out.


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#2829723 - 01/20/17 09:57 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Mr T, Sweden]
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Originally Posted By: Mr T, Sweden

I really hope they include the MOD-7 as well. Seems it would make sense to have it in an instrument like this.


It wasn't explicitly stated that these are the seven engines. I heard SGX-2, EP-1, CX-3, AL-1 and HD-1. Then I also heard Vox and Farfisa, so it was an adding up what was presented. I heard no mention of the MOD-7.

Busch.

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#2829728 - 01/20/17 10:03 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Oh, forgot to add:

Rather than the usual product display, Moog had their booth set up as a memorial for all the synth pioneers and legends who passed away in 2016.
I was really touched by that.
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#2829729 - 01/20/17 10:08 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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If it has the piano/EP sounds of the Kronos/Krome,

Based on Busch's post, looks like they're from the Kronos, easily the better of those two options! I'm psyched about this one, too. Any chance it's under 30 lbs? In the super lightweight realm, I'm really curious for more details on the Numa Compact 2. Like whether you can call up your custom MIDI presets from the patch select buttons, and how the speakers compare to, say, the new Kawai ES-110 which is another board that drew my attention for times you need something light/compact with speakers.

Originally Posted By: zephonic
I didn't get on with the action on the Studio. OTOH, the Grand model felt great and is worth the extra is cost.

Yup, the typical response to playing a TP40 vs a TP100. It's really a matter of whether you can deal with the greater travel weight.
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#2829736 - 01/20/17 10:36 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Originally Posted By: Mr T, Sweden

I really hope they include the MOD-7 as well. Seems it would make sense to have it in an instrument like this.


It wasn't explicitly stated that these are the seven engines. I heard SGX-2, EP-1, CX-3, AL-1 and HD-1. Then I also heard Vox and Farfisa, so it was an adding up what was presented. I heard no mention of the MOD-7.

Busch.


Thanks much for the helpful info about the GrandStage, Bill! Along with the original Instagram photo that was posted (plus a couple others that Moonglow forwarded to me), it's becoming clear that this could be a great covers-it-all live gig keyboard.

Still puzzled though by the lack of formal product info, announcement from Korg, specs, pricing, ETA.... Weird that the info is trickling out word-of-mouth, yet there's a functional product being demonstrated.
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#2829741 - 01/20/17 10:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Beethree]
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Wow! Thanks for the heads up, Beethree! cool

This is the equivalent of getting a new instrument for free as the sounds are ones that Omnisphere presumably couldn't have accomplished without Keyscape's waveforms and Keyscape couldn't have accomplished without Omnisphere's editing abilities. The included 1268 patches are more than many software instruments ship with and they're programmed to Spectrasonics's high standards.

As an already satisfied Omnisphere and Keyscape owner, I'm really looking forward to installing the new sounds! thu

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#2829742 - 01/20/17 11:02 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
I posted about my day on the floor yesterday here: https://mennodeboer.com/2017/01/20/namm-2017-day-one/

Things I'd like to highlight:

If it has the piano/EP sounds of the Kronos/Krome, the Korg GrandStage looks like a fine replacement for my NordPiano. It has all the right features and connections, and I love how compact it is.

I had never heard of them, but there is another Italian keyboard manufacturer called Dexibell. Their stagepianos Vivo S7 and S3 feel like mature products, although I didn't spend a lot of time with them (it was almost 6PM). I was surprised and hope to play them again in a quieter setting. Photos on the aforementioned blog post.

I was keen to try out the Studiologic SL88 controllers, especially the Studio model as it is aggresively priced at $499. I love how they look but I didn't get on with the action on the Studio. OTOH, the Grand model felt great and is worth the extra is cost.

The BomeBox is a neat little MIDI hub that connects via DIN, USB, Ethernet and WiFi.

Schertler is a Swiss manufacturer of combo amps in gorgeous wooden cabinets. They ship to the US, shipping/handling and import duties on their dime, and a 30-day money back guarantee. Unfortunately, I missed the demo, but if they sound as good as they look...

I got to meet KC's own Jason Stanfield who was there with the Valente, a sexy electro-mechanical keyboard made in Brazil.

I may have to come back tomorrow, as there is a bunch of other stuff I want to check out.

Thanks for your report from the show, zephonic! cool

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#2829752 - 01/20/17 11:28 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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So this new Korg Grandstage appears to be a simpler version of the Kronos? Is that the general consensus?
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#2829766 - 01/20/17 12:39 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Polkahero]
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All important keyboard news from NAMM conveniently in one place...

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#2829770 - 01/20/17 12:49 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd


Thanks to this post, I made my way over to the far reaches of the exhibition hall and found this booth. They are a bunch of guys from Latvia, and most of the stuff there were brass instruments. He did the demonstration with a trombone! This of course immediately brought to mind the possibilities with a monosynth. Turns out you have 10 seconds of sampling time in which to actually build chords, you can get some really cool drones happening, and then play over the top of it. In addition, there is a kind of reverse mode in which the sound only played when you pressed the pedal, you were able to get all these Frippertronic type effects going on. I can definitely see myself getting one of these things when they become available…very impressed with the possibilities.



Were you able to find out if this pedal responds to half-damping?
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#2829772 - 01/20/17 12:58 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Polkahero]
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So this new Korg Grandstage appears to be a simpler version of the Kronos? Is that the general consensus?

To the extent that it has at least 5 of the Kronos' 9 engines, you could look at it that way, though also lacking the touch screen, the full complement of sliders and other controls, set list mode, sampling, sequencing, and probably a bunch of other stuff. How editable the sounds will be is also an unknown. Functionally, from what little we know, it might be better to look at it more like an upgraded SV1 that employs Kronos sounds. It will be interesting to see how far you may be able to go beyond the front panel via a computer or iPad based control/editing screen.
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#2829779 - 01/20/17 01:29 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: Stokely
As a wannabe guitarist (who started decades too late, darn it) I've been following some of the modeling action.


The Kemper Profiler is pretty much the ultimate; find one used and be very happy...!


Yes, that is certainly my impression as well from various guitar forums. What a fascinating piece of gear.

My playing ability at this point matches my $38 amp pedal however...in fact I'm pretty sure I'm not getting the most out of it smile

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#2829780 - 01/20/17 01:31 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Moonglow: "Prospects for a Stage 3 in 2017?"

Nord Guy: "I doubt it. The EX hasn't been out that long."
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#2829784 - 01/20/17 01:54 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Moonglow: "Prospects for a Stage 3 in 2017?"

Nord Guy: "I doubt it. The EX hasn't been out that long."


I would guess that the Nord guys came to to the conclusion a couple years ago that an incremental evolution of the current Stage 2 might be a hard sell at 4-5K in the next few years. I say this because as a happy owner of a Stage 2, I'm not sure I would buy it today (even with more memory, drawbars, etc) Many things have happened since they released it in 2011 ( Multi-engine keyboards like Kronos, light-weight high quality DP's like CP4, many more table-top analog synths, increased clone competition.) And now things like the new RD-2000 and Korg GrandStage are going to compete for part of that territory too. They probably think they need a more revolutionary product to justify the boutique pricing.
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#2829803 - 01/20/17 03:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Moonglow: "Prospects for a Stage 3 in 2017?"

Nord Guy: "I doubt it. The EX hasn't been out that long."


I was told to expect it in 2018.

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#2829812 - 01/20/17 04:35 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Ross Ward]
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#2829813 - 01/20/17 04:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Ross Ward]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Moonglow: "Prospects for a Stage 3 in 2017?"

Nord Guy: "I doubt it. The EX hasn't been out that long."


I was told to expect it in 2018.


I think this is VERY lame, since the Stage 2 has been out since forever.
To double the piano memory in the EX does certainly not make it a new instrument.
Not to mention that already the NE4 had an updated improved organ section.
The NE5 has the OLED display and set list capability.
VERY lame...
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#2829821 - 01/20/17 05:29 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: analogholic]
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I think this is VERY lame, since the Stage 2 has been out since forever.
To double the piano memory in the EX does certainly not make it a new instrument.
Not to mention that already the NE4 had an updated improved organ section.
The NE5 has the OLED display and set list capability.
VERY lame...


I don't disagree that they're due for an update, but they're only one year late in making major revisions to the Stage based on prior history. The gap between the Stage 2 and Stage 2 EX was longer than between any of the other revisions.

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#2829822 - 01/20/17 05:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: analogholic]
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What would Nord do?
Well - they could increase polyphony.
Add velocity layers to the sample synth.
Do a Stage version with real draw bars.
If they add a lot of features and get more workstation-like they run the risk of over-complicating the UI and then why get a Nord for other than the color and aluminum build?
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#2829826 - 01/20/17 05:59 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: pawel]
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Originally Posted By: Polkahero
So this new Korg Grandstage appears to be a simpler version of the Kronos? Is that the general consensus?

Originally Posted By: pawel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv_Jl8I4AMs
Korg Grandstage smile

Based on that video... yup, from Korg's perspective at least, it's definitely an updated version of an SV1. Seeing the knob and button detail, you can easily see the direct lineage, even if the sounds are sourced from the Kronos. An interesting hybrid. No tube, but I don't think the tube was so integral to the sound of the SV1 (unlike the King Korg).

The SV1 also has many fans of its own. There's something special about playing EP on it in particular. I've never directly compared playing the SV1 to playing a weighted action Kronos, but I hope the new model maintains that vibe. In theory, there's no reason this model couldn't also include the exact SV1 samples, regardless of whether or not they currently exist in the Kronos.
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#2829832 - 01/20/17 06:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
What would Nord do?
Well - they could increase polyphony.
Add velocity layers to the sample synth.
Do a Stage version with real draw bars.
If they add a lot of features and get more workstation-like they run the risk of over-complicating the UI and then why get a Nord for other than the color and aluminum build?

And even among those, increasing polyphony is not a huge deal, not enough to get Stage 2 owners excited. Despite the low polyphony figures on paper, I don't think I've ever read a post from a Nord player complaining about dropped notes.

There are some other things they could do, though some don't necessarily even require new hardware, they could possibly be done in software updates. Like being able to over-ride the fixed split points to specify something else. (Which *is* something I've seen existing Nord owners complain about.) About the only other things I can think of that people mention that definitely require new hardware would be improvements to the action, and a better (more informative, at least NE5-style) screen.
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#2829839 - 01/20/17 06:50 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's true most owners appear to be satisfied with the note stealing algorithm that Nord is using for their low poly hardware. It makes sense as the polyphony isn't a big deal in combo/group/ensemble play. But on an instrument like the Nord Piano 3 it would have been a welcome improvement for solo piano playing.
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#2829872 - 01/20/17 10:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Worst thing about a Nord Stage: preset selection.
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#2829873 - 01/20/17 10:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: mate stubb]
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Worst thing about a Nord Stage: preset selection.

True, that's another hardware change, more buttons for patch selection (in addition to the enhanced screen that could aid there as well).
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#2829881 - 01/20/17 11:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2829882 - 01/20/17 11:31 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829883 - 01/20/17 11:31 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Tom Oberheim and the new SEM-X...



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#2829884 - 01/20/17 11:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829887 - 01/20/17 11:46 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829892 - 01/20/17 11:58 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2829893 - 01/21/17 12:14 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Introducing Ivory II Studio Grands

The new product will coincide with a new update to the Ivory II engine - version 2.5 (due to be released in early March):

• PACE Machine-Based Authorisation
• Users will no longer require an ilok key to authorize
• New Ivory Features such as:
— Shimmer: unique control over sustain and decay
— New Half-Pedal Controls
— Assignable MIDI Controls
• High Resolution MIDI Velocity Response
• Improved UI accessibility for sign impaired users

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#2829901 - 01/21/17 02:56 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Introducing Ivory II Studio Grands

The new product will coincide with a new update to the Ivory II engine - version 2.5 (due to be released in early March):

• PACE Machine-Based Authorisation
• Users will no longer require an ilok key to authorize
• New Ivory Features such as:
— Shimmer: unique control over sustain and decay
— New Half-Pedal Controls
— Assignable MIDI Controls
• High Resolution MIDI Velocity Response
• Improved UI accessibility for sign impaired users

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Wow, two of my favourite models in the new studio grand package.
I hope they've catched up with the current best piano vst's. (highly subjective of course so don't take the next remarks to seriously :-).....)..... but the best Steinway D is the Hammersmith or Imperfect Samples Walnut, the best Bösendorfer the Vienna Imperial, the best Yamaha CFX the Garritan, the best Fazioli the Mercury or Imperfect Samples, the best Yamaha C7 from Acousticsamples or the Pearl.And the best upright my piano from Fluffy Audio.

I hope they will deliver, because the Steinway B and Bösendorfer 225 are such lovely instruments and i personally prefer them over a D and Imperial for the music i play.
( as a tuner i have tuned many of those models, so my subjective personal preference is based on a very broad palette of induvidual grands )


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#2829919 - 01/21/17 06:06 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: vanderSchoot]
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Here's the scoop on that Roland Cloud thing we heard very recently...



"Roland have unveiled the beta version of their new Roland Cloud subscription model. It’s designed to give you access to software versions of all their ACB Plug-Out synths plus sample based instruments. The damage will usually be $29.95 a month but this early access beta version is set at $19.95. As a NAMM special you can sign up for one free month right now."

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#2829937 - 01/21/17 07:39 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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So $360 a year...could become expensive over a couple of years grin

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#2830022 - 01/21/17 02:06 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: miden]
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... especially if the product line doesn't expand, or products get mothballed or otherwise aren't maintained...

I think this sort of model works for Slate and others, but Roland's offerings are rather scant at the moment, to justify a monthly subscription fee.
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#2830026 - 01/21/17 02:16 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
All important keyboard news from NAMM conveniently in one place...

http://keyszone.boards.net/board/32/new-keyboards


Thanks. Under the Numa Compact 2 it says:

Sadly Namm visitors report a low build quality.

If true, that would be a shame.
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#2830028 - 01/21/17 02:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthaholic]
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#2830029 - 01/21/17 02:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830030 - 01/21/17 02:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830031 - 01/21/17 02:32 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830032 - 01/21/17 02:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830033 - 01/21/17 02:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830035 - 01/21/17 03:03 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Under the Numa Compact 2 it says:

Sadly Namm visitors report a low build quality.

If true, that would be a shame.

I'd be surprised if it's much different in build from the current Numa Compact. Of course it doesn't feel like it's built like a tank, it's a super light board with a molded plastic chassis, but it's been fine for me. Unless maybe the knobs and buttons feel less solid than they did before? Other than that, I don't know how it could be much different.

What bothers me about the demo is it looks like there's a lot of scrolling involved in selecting sounds. There are fewer patch select buttons than on the original, and so far, no indication of their function being able to be customized/altered in any way beyond selecting a sound category.
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#2830036 - 01/21/17 03:33 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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By any chance was this at the show, and did anyone try it?
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#2830038 - 01/21/17 03:46 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Studiologic Numa Compact 2 at Kraft Music
Link to Numa Compact 2

It's hard to imagine that with all this at $499 that it wouldn't be on the cheaper side:
* 1 GB of samples
* 2 zone midi controller
* Built in speakers
* 128 note polyphony
* 2 dual FX processors including string resonance
* Front panel controls for EQ and FX

Numa Compact 2
The Numa Compact 2's modern design and state of the art technology offers 1GB of new sounds, 2 dual FX processors, effects, string resonance and stereo reverb in a light portable cabinet. There are built-in speakers making the keyboard ideal for home or studio sessions. This is an instrument that can also be used on stage, for live gigs and concerts, It is also ideal for rehearsals or recordings, thanks to the wide variety of sounds including Pianos, E-Pianos, Keyboards, Bass and Guitars, Organs (tone wheel, analogue and classics), Synthesizers, Orchestral sounds, Drum Kits and much more. This is the only product on the market at this price point to offer high quality sounds and effects of all kinds, coupled with powerful MIDI controller capabilities.


I guess the questions besides build quality would be how good the keybed feels for piano, being a semi-weighted action, and of course how good the sounds are. Seems like an impossibly low price and a perfect practice/jam/backup board.

Has anybody played it? Is it really only 12 pounds?
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#2830043 - 01/21/17 04:04 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Randelph]
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Is it really only 12 pounds?

Doubt it. Web site says 15.6 lbs.

http://studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/
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#2830048 - 01/21/17 04:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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The only downside to them making stuff this light is build quality (assuming it's all plastic?) and it getting away from you on the stand.
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#2830049 - 01/21/17 04:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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I did not feel the Numa COMPACT II was poorly manufactured. But I did not love the action.

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#2830067 - 01/21/17 05:55 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Jazzooo]
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What was the action like?
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#2830080 - 01/21/17 08:27 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Randelph]
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Questions for those of you on the floor, who may have more opportunity to check out the Numa Compact (having looked at the spec sheet)...

What is the "Dual switch detection system"? (Triple sensor? High trigger point option? Something else?)

I'd be curious to get an impression of the action from anyone who is familiar with the original Numa Compact... i.e. does it feel pretty much the same? (The action is not identical since this version has aftertouch.)

I noticed that there happen to be exactly 88 sounds... I wonder if they may be using a "button plus one of the keys" to directly select one of the 88 sounds, as an alternative to necessarily have to scroll through a menu for some of them?

To the extent you can tell on the floor, how do the dual 10 watt speakers sound? (I wouldn't expect much out of such a small and light board, but 10 watts per speaker is actually more than most other budget boards with speakers. But I don't want to assume it necessarily has any more volume, since there are also the variables of speaker size, speaker efficiency, and how they're measuring the power.)

The other thing I'd like to know is, for the 8 sound select buttons, is the default sound fixed? Or can you alter what sound comes up when you hit one of those buttons?

The 8 sound select buttons are labeled:

A. Piano
E. Piano
Keys
Bass/Guitar
Organ
Synth
Orchestra
Other

If they are basing the defaults on the most common sounds (i.e. the ones that were selected for the original Numa Compact), I would guess that, by default, Keys might call up Clav, and Orchestra might calls up Strings?

If that were the layout, that might not be bad looked at as a replacement for the Numa Compact for me, though I would really miss not having multiple EP buttons... I like a dedicated button for Rhodes and another dedicated button for Wurli. I use both so often, I really don't want to be hitting a button and then dialing in the sound with a knob every time I want to switch which EP I'm using. But nothing is perfect, and this offers some nice advantages over the original...
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#2830083 - 01/21/17 08:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Randelph]
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What was the action like?

Its a semi-weighted action, felt like keys on a spring. It wouldn't be bad if this is a first for someone who doesn't even know if they'll stick with it.
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#2830086 - 01/21/17 08:55 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Randelph
What was the action like?

Its a semi-weighted action, felt like keys on a spring. It wouldn't be bad if this is a first for someone who doesn't even know if they'll stick with it.


PMC, is the action similar to the entry NP-32 “Graded Soft Touch keyboard” that are always kicking around GC floor display.
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#2830101 - 01/22/17 03:45 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Marko in Boston]
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I swung by NAMM again today for about an hour, and saw Shaun Martin at the Waves booth, demoing their new virtual piano, the Grand Rhapsody.
It sounded pretty good, although there were audible CPU spikes during the demo. Available next month, introductory price $79

Oh, and Shaun Martin rocks. Corey Henry gets the glory, but Shaun can hold his own against him!







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#2830119 - 01/22/17 06:20 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Numa Compact 2 audio demos has been uploaded. Some pretty nice pianos. Big question remains how do they connect with the new action. I had the first version for a while but had to let it go because it wasn't too great for pure piano playing.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/
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#2830120 - 01/22/17 06:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
I swung by NAMM again today for about an hour, and saw Shaun Martin at the Waves booth, demoing their new virtual piano, the Grand Rhapsody.
It sounded pretty good, although there were audible CPU spikes during the demo. Available next month, introductory price $79

Oh, and Shaun Martin rocks. Corey Henry gets the glory, but Shaun can hold his own against him!





I don't like marketing hogwash, but when it is full of the ignorance as displayed in this video it becomes hilarious.

Fazioli was founded in 1981. Bohemian Rhapsody/Queen was released in 1975. The piano involved in BR was a Bechstein (althaugh some claim it to be a Bosendorfer).
The demonstrator even plays a snapshot of Bohemian Rhapsody.....wow that is having some marketing nerves.
I don't care if Freddie Mecury owned a Fazioli in the eighties, but companies like waves and wavesfactory (Grand Rhapsodie and Mercury piano) that insinuate that Queen's famous pianosounds are now available in a vst is laughable.All Queen's famous work was before Fazioli was even founded.
It is sort of claiming that Johan Cruyff was known for being a Los Angeles Aztecs soccer player laugh

I maybe end up buying this vst because it sounds good and is a Fazioli that i don't have in my small arsenal, but this is cheap marketing.......


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#2830136 - 01/22/17 08:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: vanderSchoot]
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Maybe this tells us enough about the NAMM 2017 where it comes to keyboard instruments..

Star of the show is the Behringer Deepmind 12, which was finally available for playing and touching but was presented at the Musik Messe last year

http://keyszone.boards.net/thread/45/keyszone-star-namm-behringer-deepmind
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#2830140 - 01/22/17 09:23 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: thomsurf]
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Originally Posted By: thomsurf
I had the first version for a while but had to let it go because it wasn't too great for pure piano playing.

Well, yeah, compared to your RD800. ;-) But if you're willing to play from a non hammer action board at all, I thought it was pretty decent, within that category. Better than the semi-weighted Nords or the TP8-based Kurzweils, for example, which are much higher end boards with actions that are promoted as being reasonable for piano as well.
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#2830144 - 01/22/17 09:37 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Bachus]
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Maybe this tells us enough about the NAMM 2017 where it comes to keyboard instruments.
Star of the show is the Behringer Deepmind 12, which was finally available for playing and touching but was presented at the Musik Messe last year.

Played it for awhile, couldn't help but notice many of the presets were doubled, making it for all intents and purposes a 6-voice instrument. The sound was decent enough in that Roland-ish way, would consider it for the price if they come thru with a desktop module.

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#2830145 - 01/22/17 09:46 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: thomsurf]
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Originally Posted By: thomsurf
Numa Compact 2 audio demos has been uploaded. Some pretty nice pianos. Big question remains how do they connect with the new action. I had the first version for a while but had to let it go because it wasn't too great for pure piano playing.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/


I don't know if this an improvement but I played it briefly and it felt like a toy. Personally I could never play one.

I'd put that dough towards an upgrade from your 800 to the RD2000. It's that good ! thu

Or at worst hold off till you play the 2000 and see if you think it's worth the upgrade. The Roland guy told me they should hit the stores within 6-8 weeks.

I was pretty knocked out on first play - especially with the action and how it connects with the new V-Piano sound. I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig - depending on load in / out logistics and set up space of course. Needless to say it would be outstanding for home or studio use.
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#2830149 - 01/22/17 10:02 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I don't know if this an improvement but I played it briefly and it felt like a toy. Personally I could never play one.

I don't think any SW board is suitable for sophisticated solo playing. So to some extent, it's kind of like complaining that a screwdriver makes a crappy hammer. That said, I have played some hammer action boards that I actually find less enjoyable to play piano on than the Numa Compact!

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I was pretty knocked out on first play - especially with the action and how it connects with the new V-Piano sound. I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig - depending on load in / out logistics and set up space of course.

From you, this is quite the endorsement! Just from a piano playing perspective, how would you compare it to the CP5?
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#2830151 - 01/22/17 10:10 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: thomsurf
Numa Compact 2 audio demos has been uploaded. Some pretty nice pianos. Big question remains how do they connect with the new action. I had the first version for a while but had to let it go because it wasn't too great for pure piano playing.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2/


I don't know if this an improvement but I played it briefly and it felt like a toy. Personally I could never play one.

I'd put that dough towards an upgrade from your 800 to the RD2000. It's that good ! thu

Or at worst hold off till you play the 2000 and see if you think it's worth the upgrade. The Roland guy told me they should hit the stores within 6-8 weeks.

I was pretty knocked out on first play - especially with the action and how it connects with the new V-Piano sound. I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig - depending on load in / out logistics and set up space of course. Needless to say it would be outstanding for home or studio use.


This it's PHA-50 which you're also going to get on the FP-90 which Roland says is based on, "Roland’s SuperNATURAL Piano modeling technology - a unique modeling process that spans the entire sound creation process of an acoustic piano, including the combination of notes played, their resonance, and the way in which the piano’s many elements interact with each other. The result is a rich, complex sound—complete with overtones—that actually changes in response to the way you play. "
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#2830152 - 01/22/17 10:17 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig


This it's PHA-50 which you're also going to get on the FP-90

...though the FP90 is even heavier (and won't have the V-Piano engine). Cheaper , though (and includes speakers).
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#2830155 - 01/22/17 10:25 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Two simple questions for those who are there - I'm curious:

- Does the Korg GrandStage have any master keyboard function? (zones, midi channels, and the like?)

- From the two videos that I've seen/heard, that little box from Dave Smith and Pioneer, the AS1, sounds very good. Any info about the degree of programmabilty? From panel menus? Computer editor? Tablet?

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#2830160 - 01/22/17 10:47 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig


This it's PHA-50 which you're also going to get on the FP-90

...though the FP90 is even heavier and won't have the V-Piano engine(). Cheaper , though (and includes speakers).


Ah, that explains why I didn't find the FP-90 as much fun to play as the RD2000. I knew they shared the same new action but for some reason I thought they both had the same piano sounds. You know I really wanted to like the FP-90 better because of the internal speakers for at home in the office here but on first play I didn't.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I was pretty knocked out on first play - especially with the action and how it connects with the new V-Piano sound. I've never been a huge Roland guy but this was very, very good. I'd say good enough to actually consider schlepping (on occasion) a 48 lb. DP to a gig - depending on load in / out logistics and set up space of course.

From you, this is quite the endorsement! Just from a piano playing perspective, how would you compare it to the CP5?


I still highly enjoy the CP5 for home but the action is getting bit light for me lately. I only had one play of about 20 minutes on the RD2000 but feel pretty confident saying it would be a definite playing upgrade for the office over the CP5. I would still keep the CP5 ( just not sure where I'd set it up ) because I still get a kick blowing / playing with the drum loops - #81 Modern Jazz & #94 AfroCuban. Basically I feel that keyboard is a "classic" ( at least for more serious pianist types ) and not many around to be found these days.


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#2830198 - 01/22/17 01:11 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Dave Ferris]
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This is not meant to be comprehensive. It's not even close. It's just what I saw while NAMMbulatilng, and nothing more. Enjoy!

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#2830235 - 01/22/17 04:11 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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#2830236 - 01/22/17 04:12 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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#2830248 - 01/22/17 04:14 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Steve Nathan]
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By any chance was this at the show, and did anyone try it?
https://www.expressivee.com/touche/overview

I was going to post that in this thread but when I searched for a vid the ones I found referred to NAMM 2016.
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#2830314 - 01/22/17 08:49 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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It's weird that there's 88 hammer boards out the ass but little to no 73 to 76 synth actions out at all. WTF is up with this.

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#2830350 - 01/23/17 04:54 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Throbert]
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Any news about the Mellotron Micro?
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#2830353 - 01/23/17 05:01 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Throbert]
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Originally Posted By: Throbert
It's weird that there's 88 hammer boards out the ass but little to no 73 to 76 synth actions out at all. WTF is up with this.


Good question. But I wonder... who do they sell more boards to? Pros, semi-pros, serious or casual hobbyists and what they're preference is?
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#2830359 - 01/23/17 05:31 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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any word on whether the odyssey comes with a carry case?
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#2830409 - 01/23/17 10:38 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Under the Numa Compact 2 it says:

Sadly Namm visitors report a low build quality.

If true, that would be a shame.

I'd be surprised if it's much different in build from the current Numa Compact. Of course it doesn't feel like it's built like a tank, it's a super light board with a molded plastic chassis, but it's been fine for me. Unless maybe the knobs and buttons feel less solid than they did before? Other than that, I don't know how it could be much different.

What bothers me about the demo is it looks like there's a lot of scrolling involved in selecting sounds. There are fewer patch select buttons than on the original, and so far, no indication of their function being able to be customized/altered in any way beyond selecting a sound category.


Seems to me that unless weight is your #1 priority, the Arturia Keylab 88 would be a better option, for just a few hundred more. More knobs/sliders, solid, and from what I've heard a good action, if a bit heavy. I would love to try both of them.
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#2830412 - 01/23/17 10:54 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthaholic]
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Seems to me that unless weight is your #1 priority, the Arturia Keylab 88 would be a better option, for just a few hundred more. More knobs/sliders, solid, and from what I've heard a good action, if a bit heavy.

Also, no built-in sounds, no speakers. Really, a whole different animal. If you're *only* looking for a controller, and can afford the extra weight and extra $$$, sure, the Arturia is more capable.

That said, from what I've read, I think the Arturia uses the Fatar TP100. Not every TP100 I've played has felt the same, but some have felt so bad that I'd actually rather play the Numa Compact. (Though I have not played the 2.)

Also, though, strictly as a controller, if you're looking for a lightweight, low cost board with more than 61 keys and aftertouch but is NOT hammer action, well, the Arturia isn't that... and in fact, there ain't much to choose from. So from that perspective, I could see someone considering this board even if they don't care about the built-in sounds or speakers.
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#2830432 - 01/23/17 11:49 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Morizzle]
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Originally Posted By: Morizzle
Any news about the Mellotron Micro?


They had a prototype there again this year. Markus said quite confidently that they should be ready in the next month or two.
On my short list for sure.

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#2830456 - 01/23/17 01:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Software developer Chris Hein gives you a taste of the NAMM show on a more personal level from a software developer's point of view:







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#2830457 - 01/23/17 01:48 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Here's a round up of products that the guys at Pro Tools Expert liked. (Most of them can be used with any DAW.)





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#2830463 - 01/23/17 02:13 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Throbert
It's weird that there's 88 hammer boards out the ass but little to no 73 to 76 synth actions out at all. WTF is up with this.


Good question. But I wonder... who do they sell more boards to? Pros, semi-pros, serious or casual hobbyists and what they're preference is?


I guess my point or anger is that I have an 88 hammer board, I would have no problem upgrading if I wanted to,
but in order to get a decent 6 octave synth action for playing the parts and sounds more suitable to, I have
to get an old Triton Extreme 76 for around $1500 for the good action. Nothing new out there worth a look. I'd
be happy with a good controller board at 6 octaves. If I had the knowledge funds and knew the right people to
bring together I'd be selling by now.

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#2830465 - 01/23/17 02:23 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Throbert]
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I went back on Saturday for a short while, and posted a follow-up report here:

https://mennodeboer.com/2017/01/23/namm-2017-part-ii/

I'd like to mention Stay Keyboard Stands again. I first saw them two years ago, but this time around they actually secured US distribution. They said we should be able to purchase from Amazon sometime later this month.

Also, I totally forgot to mention Alpha Piano in my previous posts. Unaffordable for schmucks like me, but interesting. I particularly like their Mpiano concept, which seems like a less rubbery but more expensive Roli. Unfortunately, they had troubles with the computer so a demo wasn't possible at the time.

Kawai ES-110 is nice enough in its class, but nothing really stood out to me. Still, if I were shopping for something in that price range, this would probably the one I'd pick. The MP-7 is seriously nice, and if I ever get to that level where I have other people schlepping and setting up my gear, I'll have them schlep this!


Behringer Deepmind 12 felt pretty solid, and seems like a great deal at the price. Again, though, nothing really stood out to me. But a 12-voice analog synth at $999? Great!




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#2830475 - 01/23/17 03:02 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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I can't find any info on pricing for the new Korg Gadget for the Mac. I've got the iOS version and am curious if iOS users might get any break on the new Mac version.

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#2830488 - 01/23/17 03:47 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
I'd like to mention Stay Keyboard Stands again. I first saw them two years ago, but this time around they actually secured US distribution.


Hey Menno, if you see them on Amazon let us know. Curious about pricing, certainty don't need another stand, but always checking out new products. thu
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#2830633 - 01/24/17 06:50 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Ross Ward]
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I think this is VERY lame, since the Stage 2 has been out since forever.
To double the piano memory in the EX does certainly not make it a new instrument.
Not to mention that already the NE4 had an updated improved organ section.
The NE5 has the OLED display and set list capability.
VERY lame...


I don't disagree that they're due for an update, but they're only one year late in making major revisions to the Stage based on prior history. The gap between the Stage 2 and Stage 2 EX was longer than between any of the other revisions.

Nord Stage - 2005
Nord Stage EX - 2008
Nord Stage 2 – 2011
Nord Stage 2 EX – 2015


The problem is that the Stage is their flagship keyboard.
The NE4 that's been out for years has an updated organ model.
The NE5 has an OLED display and set list functions!
The Stage 2 EX is the latest of them all, and still doesn't have any of the above.
Paying premium price for their new flagship and getting tech from 2011?
Not gonna happen
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#2830638 - 01/24/17 06:59 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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What would Nord do?
Well - they could increase polyphony.
Add velocity layers to the sample synth.
Do a Stage version with real draw bars.
If they add a lot of features and get more workstation-like they run the risk of over-complicating the UI and then why get a Nord for other than the color and aluminum build?


Yes to what you suggested above!!!

No fixed split points.

2 extra synth engines.

More sample memory

A new updated organ/Leslie sim (newer and better than NE5)

Better midi/master functions

OLED display (which NE5 already has)

Set list functions (which the NE5 already has)

Better preset managing

Seamless program change


Including all of the above would still allow the fast and logical UI of the Stage.
Don't want it to be a Kronos.
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#2830774 - 01/24/17 03:41 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: RedKey]
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Originally Posted By: Morizzle
Any news about the Mellotron Micro?


They had a prototype there again this year. Markus said quite confidently that they should be ready in the next month or two.
On my short list for sure.


Thx! thu
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#2830776 - 01/24/17 03:50 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Seems to me that unless weight is your #1 priority, the Arturia Keylab 88 would be a better option, for just a few hundred more. More knobs/sliders, solid, and from what I've heard a good action, if a bit heavy.

Also, no built-in sounds, no speakers. Really, a whole different animal. If you're *only* looking for a controller, and can afford the extra weight and extra $$$, sure, the Arturia is more capable.

That said, from what I've read, I think the Arturia uses the Fatar TP100. Not every TP100 I've played has felt the same, but some have felt so bad that I'd actually rather play the Numa Compact. (Though I have not played the 2.)

Also, though, strictly as a controller, if you're looking for a lightweight, low cost board with more than 61 keys and aftertouch but is NOT hammer action, well, the Arturia isn't that... and in fact, there ain't much to choose from. So from that perspective, I could see someone considering this board even if they don't care about the built-in sounds or speakers.


It would make an excellent hotel room keyboard and a painless way to add a second or even third keyboard to your rig, with 88 keys in which to split.

I'm just trying to figure out who the target market is.
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#2830848 - 01/25/17 04:17 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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Where the devil did Jacob come from??

Answer: his mother, obviously. wink

I would think Jacob would have to have quite a lot of interest for his Shiny New Box. Limited, but that was the OB-X, and there are tons of other synths to partner with it for more capability. Definitely has my interest.
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#2830862 - 01/25/17 06:04 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthguy]
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Where the devil did Jacob come from??

Answer: his mother, obviously. wink

I would think Jacob would have to have quite a lot of interest for his Shiny New Box. Limited, but that was the OB-X, and there are tons of other synths to partner with it for more capability. Definitely has my interest.


And mine. Love the "Star Trek" look and that envelope spread is very cool.
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#2831123 - 01/26/17 03:04 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: MorayM]
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Here's a great "The Party's Over" video—complete with authentic keytar—from software developer Chris Hein to cap off the 2017 Winter NAMM Show:



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#2831241 - 01/26/17 11:34 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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The day 4 video was way fun! Nice shots of the ladies!

So what program allowed the keytar player to sound like a guitarist? And what iPad app was Jordan Ruddess playing?
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#2831245 - 01/26/17 11:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Randelph]
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So what program allowed the keytar player to sound like a guitarist?

http://musiclab.com
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#2831408 - 01/27/17 02:53 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: AnotherScott]
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Cool new effect from Eventide:



Look for introductory pricing when Fission is released in late February—possibly as low as $99.

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#2831538 - 01/27/17 01:29 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Software developer Chris Hein gives you a taste of the NAMM show on a more personal level from a software developer's point of view:

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HIT 'EM WITH THE HEIN!

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#2831542 - 01/27/17 01:57 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Synthguy]
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I would think Jacob would have to have quite a lot of interest for his Shiny New Box. Limited, but that was the OB-X, and there are tons of other synths to partner with it for more capability. Definitely has my interest.


As an OB-X owner, I have to say that the Relic-6 is a d@mn good clone. It has the girth of the real thing and the unique resonance of the filter.

Jacob did expand the modulation options so it can do more than the OB-X could - like routing filter envelope to a VCO, a 2nd modulation routing to the filter, and a 2nd LFO is available.

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#2831604 - 01/27/17 08:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Here's a great "The Party's Over" video—complete with authentic keytar—from software developer Chris Hein to cap off the 2017 Winter NAMM Show:



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The keytar player is "Keytar Jeff." He lives about 25 minutes away from me, and I actually had the privilege of studying under him a while back. He has been a sort of mentor/big brother figure to me. Jeff has crazy, stupid chops, and not only on the keytar. You should hear him on piano or slap a B-3 around.

In my Keyboard magazine claim to fame, Jeff's band "Roadpig", where I was the "rhythm keytar" player, was given a full page write-up with picture (November, 1994). That band was a blast, we played biker rock where every instrument (except drums) was a keytar, Marshall amps included.

Jeff sent me a picture of Stevie Wonder paying him a visit at NAMM, where Jeff was showing him the guitar software, and outfitting him with his keytar. Brother Tonysounds and I visited with Jeff at NAMM, and I was very proud to see my pal there.
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#2831716 - 01/28/17 10:43 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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It's interesting to see companies like Roland still invest in making their own chip designs, or maybe make smart use of existing ones, but anyhow, powerful Digital Signal Processing interests me.

If I'm not misinterpreting, the areas where micro-electronics designers might need some smoothing over and help is where the small projects design environments is managed, and the chips and other parts are assembled into Printed Circuit Boards. Getting cheap parts may require serious electronics industry connections unless you use generally available parts from suppliers like Digikey.

In software, it's worse IMO, the making even of Free and Open Source software is often an engineering battle against forces of pure destruction, unless there's a group of people willing to keep things on the level.

So I applaud the locally built Dave Smith products, am glad there's synthesizer competition etc etc., but honestly people aren't in the mood for playing proper mass production games.

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#2831723 - 01/28/17 11:39 AM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Theo Verelst]
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Don't recall this being mentioned:

Ivory II Studio Grands

Also, thanks to EJF and Geoff for all the postings.

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#2831730 - 01/28/17 12:18 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Don't recall this being mentioned:

Ivory II Studio Grands

Also, thanks to EJF and Geoff for all the postings.


Thanks Marky, and Geoff. Not a half bad January. Quite a few things I know I'm interested to try out.
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#2831734 - 01/28/17 12:35 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Don't recall this being mentioned:

Ivory II Studio Grands

It's a long thread to search all the way through, but I posted about it a week ago:

Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace
Introducing Ivory II Studio Grands

The new product will coincide with a new update to the Ivory II engine - version 2.5 (due to be released in early March):

• PACE Machine-Based Authorisation
• Users will no longer require an ilok key to authorize
• New Ivory Features such as:
— Shimmer: unique control over sustain and decay
— New Half-Pedal Controls
— Assignable MIDI Controls
• High Resolution MIDI Velocity Response
• Improved UI accessibility for sign impaired users

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Also, thanks to EJF and Geoff for all the postings.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Thanks Marky, and Geoff. Not a half bad January. Quite a few things I know I'm interested to try out.

You're both more than welcome; and thanks, ElmerJFudd, for all your work in this thread!

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#2831735 - 01/28/17 12:37 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace
Here's a great "The Party's Over" video—complete with authentic keytar—from software developer Chris Hein to cap off the 2017 Winter NAMM Show:



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The keytar player is "Keytar Jeff." He lives about 25 minutes away from me, and I actually had the privilege of studying under him a while back. He has been a sort of mentor/big brother figure to me. Jeff has crazy, stupid chops, and not only on the keytar. You should hear him on piano or slap a B-3 around.

In my Keyboard magazine claim to fame, Jeff's band "Roadpig", where I was the "rhythm keytar" player, was given a full page write-up with picture (November, 1994). That band was a blast, we played biker rock where every instrument (except drums) was a keytar, Marshall amps included.

Jeff sent me a picture of Stevie Wonder paying him a visit at NAMM, where Jeff was showing him the guitar software, and outfitting him with his keytar. Brother Tonysounds and I visited with Jeff at NAMM, and I was very proud to see my pal there.

How cool! Thanks for sharing, Moonglow. thu

Best,

Geoff
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#2831806 - 01/28/17 04:55 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
I'd like to mention Stay Keyboard Stands again. I first saw them two years ago, but this time around they actually secured US distribution. They said we should be able to purchase from Amazon sometime later this month.


I'm wondering how sturdy these stands are, and whether the upper tier can be angle-adjusted. They definitely look nice.
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#2831809 - 01/28/17 05:30 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: justin_havu]
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I've got a pair of Aspen Pittmans new small diaphragm condenser mics, but I haven't used them yet. As soon as I do I will report back.

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#2831814 - 01/28/17 05:50 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace

It's a long thread to search all the way through, but I posted about it


I actually searched all 13 pages and still missed it. No matter, for some unknown reason I seem to have an abundance of spare time this weekend HeadPop.

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#2831938 - 01/29/17 01:24 PM Re: NAMM 2017 NEWS [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace

It's a long thread to search all the way through, but I posted about it


I actually searched all 13 pages and still missed it. No matter, for some unknown reason I seem to have an abundance of spare time this weekend HeadPop.


Did you have a gig cancellation too? I was supposed to play last night but they cancelled yesterday afternoon. But they still paid me! I love honest people.
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