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#2835475 - 02/13/17 04:08 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel
I pulled the trigger and bought the EP88-S at Velentine's sale. Was ist a good purchase for me? Not quite sure. There's a bit of buyer's remorse since I also own Scarbee Mark I. Is the EP88 "better" than the Mark I? Yes, 5GB samples vs. 1 GB. Is it a hundred bucks better? Not sure as yet. The Mark I sounds very good too.


I think it is - even though the Mark I is no slouch. I do think that the Mark one got leapfrogged a bit by Keyscape, but that this is the new king of the hill sampled Rhodes.
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#2835476 - 02/13/17 04:17 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Beethree]
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After seeing this early today my expectations were set low. I'm now unexpectedly happy with the improvement. If the extra bite/snap was the only improvement (and it's not), for me it's the differences between meh and oh yeah.

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#2835480 - 02/13/17 04:32 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Beethree]
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Originally Posted By: Beethree
Originally Posted By: TomKittel
I pulled the trigger and bought the EP88-S at Velentine's sale. Was ist a good purchase for me? Not quite sure. There's a bit of buyer's remorse since I also own Scarbee Mark I. Is the EP88 "better" than the Mark I? Yes, 5GB samples vs. 1 GB. Is it a hundred bucks better? Not sure as yet. The Mark I sounds very good too.


I think it is - even though the Mark I is no slouch. I do think that the Mark one got leapfrogged a bit by Keyscape, but that this is the new king of the hill sampled Rhodes.


I hesitated a bit before replying to this post as to not want to seen as a fan boy, but I don't know what you are not hearing, as I also own Scarbee Mark 1. If it is not $ 88 dollars better then maybe you need better headphones, as another has posted it is better than Keyscape, which I do not own.
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#2836171 - 02/16/17 10:22 AM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel
I pulled the trigger and bought the EP88-S at Velentine's sale. Was ist a good purchase for me? Not quite sure. There's a bit of buyer's remorse since I also own Scarbee Mark I. Is the EP88 "better" than the Mark I? Yes, 5GB samples vs. 1 GB. Is it a hundred bucks better? Not sure as yet. The Mark I sounds very good too.


After I played the EP88 for a little longer my buyer's remorse is completely gone. Great instrument! At first glance the difference to Mark I was not so obvious to me, especially when using presets with a lot of FX.

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#2836195 - 02/16/17 11:57 AM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel


After I played the EP88 for a little longer my buyer's remorse is completely gone. Great instrument! At first glance the difference to Mark I was not so obvious to me, especially when using presets with a lot of FX.


Glad you're enjoying it. The comparison list found in the downloaded documentation between Mark I and this one is quite extensive. The effects are comprehensive, although I do wish there was finer resolution on the delay time and such. This may be a limitation of Kontact? idk

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#2841605 - 03/14/17 10:16 AM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markyboard]
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(zombie thread alert!)

I'm about to dip my toe for the first time into the world of software instruments, purely for home enjoyment/practice, and writing demos of new tunes for a band to learn (no live use). I've got Sibelius First already on an old (2011) MacBook Air, and plan to use Garageband with Scarbee instrument(s) (specifically Rhodes) using the free Kontakt player (I think that'll work?).

My question: as I'm used to playing my Kurzweil SP4-7's Rhodes (and sold my real Rhodes back in 2000), will I notice the difference between the older Scarbee and the new EP88? Worth the extra 50 Euro?

And anything I should watch out for in implementing this - does it struggle on older hardware?

Thanks

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#2841641 - 03/14/17 01:25 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
(zombie thread alert!)

I've got Sibelius First already on an old (2011) MacBook Air, and plan to use Garageband with Scarbee instrument(s) (specifically Rhodes) using the free Kontakt player (I think that'll work?).


Kontakt Player is free and comes with a limited library. Have you downloaded it yet? Then you will know if it will work, for the low, low, price of free.

Originally Posted By: nickd
will I notice the difference between the older Scarbee and the new EP88? Worth the extra 50 Euro?

Short answer, yes. Longer answer, have you read this entire thread? Not being snarky, but the users on this thread have all come to the same conclusion. Origional Scarbee Rhodes, being a much smaller sample set might work better on your 6 year old MB.
Originally Posted By: nickd

And anything I should watch out for in implementing this - does it struggle on older hardware?
Thanks


Everything current struggles on older hardware.
Hope this helps.
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#2841667 - 03/14/17 02:51 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: davedoerfler]
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Thanks for the advice... yes, had read the thread, but I guess was trying to work out how much better the new EP88 is (I know its subjective).

I'll try out Kontakt and see how my hardware gets on...

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#2855118 - 05/13/17 07:43 AM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
The effects are comprehensive, although I do wish there was finer resolution on the delay time and such. This may be a limitation of Kontact? idk


This was getting really annoying and made the delay nearly useless for me. Along with trying to figure out how to contact the developer I started messing around and figured out if you hold the shift key (PC) you get finer resolution (10x) on many parameters including the delay time cool .

Not documented as far as I could see...but still very happy.

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#2855122 - 05/13/17 08:47 AM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: nickd
And anything I should watch out for in implementing this - does it struggle on older hardware?

Everything current struggles on older hardware.
Hope this helps.

With some notable exceptions like Pianoteq.

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#2855149 - 05/13/17 01:10 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Ashville.Guru]
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Pianoteq is modelled not sampled. Sampled VI's will always work better with more RAM and an SSD compared to a HDD. That's why sample playback software like UVI Player allow the the user to set these variables in preferences.

And Pianoteq recommends an i5 as a minimum and i7 is preferred.
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#2872182 - 08/10/17 06:39 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markay]
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Have any of you that use EP-88 noticed an audio click/pop when releasing the sustain pedal? It appears related to buffer size but not in the usual way. I can run this at a 32 or 64 samples buffer size with no problem other then the pop/click on release of the sustain pedal.

If I hold down as many notes possible with my arms and fingers I get no pops/clicks on release (other then from my sore neck facepalm ).

Edit: Maybe worth adding that at a buffer size of 128 I don't get any clicks/pops.


Edited by Markyboard (08/10/17 06:55 PM)

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#2872201 - 08/10/17 08:02 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Have any of you that use EP-88 noticed an audio click/pop when releasing the sustain pedal?


I don't but my ears aren't as good as yours and my speakers are no where close to what you are using.
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#2872391 - 08/11/17 01:01 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: davedoerfler]
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Thanks Dave. I've already had several email exchanges with Thomas and while his initial response was along the lines of pushing the limits with such a small buffer size, he is now asking for a whole lot of info to run down a potential bug before the next version release. I've sent him midi and audio files along with answers to about 10 questions that involved some additional testing. May still turn out that I'm pushing the limits (as I often do).

I couldn't ask for better responsiveness then this. At least not in the first 24 hours. like

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#2872398 - 08/11/17 01:46 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markyboard]
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And to celebrate SoundCloud's survival (at least for now) here's what I'm talking about:

Pedal Pops

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#2872433 - 08/11/17 04:13 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Markyboard]
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Just wondering if anyone has had the chance (i.e., spent the bucks!) to compare the Scarbee Classic EP-88 and the new Canturbury Rhodes. I'm thinking to buy one, but not both.
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#2872436 - 08/11/17 04:42 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Mjazz]
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Don't forget you can get Scarbee's Vintage Keys in Kontakt format for like $149 and it has a MARK I, A-200, CLAVINET & PIANET bundled.

And Scarbee directly sells Vintage Keys II which includes their EP-88S (bundled with the A-200 and Clav) for about $235. Scarbee says, "To owners of SCARBEE VINTAGE KEYS from NI (Included in KOMPLETE ULTIMATE): This product is NOT interesting for you as you already own SCARBEE A-200 and SCARBEE CLAVINET/PIANET." So EP-88S alone at $140 might be the only option unless you hold out for a sale.

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#2872444 - 08/11/17 06:10 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: Mjazz]
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Originally Posted By: Mjazz
Just wondering if anyone has had the chance (i.e., spent the bucks!) to compare the Scarbee Classic EP-88 and the new Canturbury Rhodes. I'm thinking to buy one, but not both.


Wish there were a demo/trial version of the Canterbury Rhodes so I could do this for you/me/everyone.
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#2888291 - 11/02/17 12:50 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: davedoerfler]
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reviving this thread, Scarbee has just released "MATRIX - CEP-88S EXPANSION", an add on for the existing VSTi.

INFO HERE
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#2888366 - 11/02/17 11:43 PM Re: First Demo - Scarbee Classic EP-88S [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
reviving this thread, Scarbee has just released "MATRIX - CEP-88S EXPANSION", an add on for the existing VSTi.

INFO HERE


30 new "shapshot" presets? No idea what this is...but I gotta have it. facepalm grin

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