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#2810231 - 10/20/16 01:03 PM Smoking and Playing
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Where do you smokers put your cigarette when you're playing? See where Eric Clapton has it on this video.

http://talk-music.proboards.com/post/30521/thread

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#2810272 - 10/20/16 07:59 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: DocPate]
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I quit back in '99...but back in the day when I was smoking and even now, I always clip my strings with a little extra above the tuning machine. A filter tip would fit right on the little bit of excess wire and stand straight up much like you see for Eric's way of doing it... puff
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#2810303 - 10/21/16 12:56 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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This was at a point in Eric's career when he couldn't afford an ashtray.
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#2810305 - 10/21/16 01:55 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Scott Fraser]
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The old Strat ashtray was far too small anyway.....

smile

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#2810356 - 10/21/16 08:53 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: The Geoff]
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Even in my days long ago when I was a smoker I never could smoke and play at the same time and never lit one up on stage. Come to think of it, I rarely lit up with a guitar in hand if I was practicing or something - always found it distracting!
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#2810360 - 10/21/16 09:02 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: splitting hare]
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Damn, it's been a long time, but for me, when it was time to play, it was time to put out my smoke, or at least rest it in an ashtray, and when I played with other smokers, there was always an ashtray around, even if it was originally an old hubcap, (or the yellow cover from a traffic light in one case . . .)
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#2810388 - 10/21/16 11:09 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Winston Psmith]
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When I practiced alone or with a friend, I would smoke a lot. On stage, rarely

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#2810424 - 10/21/16 01:17 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: DocPate]
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I may be the most militant anti-smoker you'll ever know, and could not be happier that those disgusting things are now banned in venues in Ontario.
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#2810430 - 10/21/16 01:35 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Bluesape]
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+1 I'm much happier in a smoke free environment... puff HeadPop cool
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#2810453 - 10/21/16 04:28 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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I quit smoking tobacco in 1985, started in 1952 or so, dumbest thing I ever did to my body. And geez it didn't even get me high or anything.
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#2810501 - 10/22/16 04:58 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: desertbluesman]
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All things considered, smoking is probably the LEAST harmful habit Eric ever had. wink

@Larry: "Smoke free environment?" Got a good one for ya....

One of my nephews was entering an "urgent care" place with his son, then 5 but could read by then and the familiar "tobacco free zone" sign was out front as the walked in. The boy excitedly tugged on his Dad's shirttail and said , "Hey DAD! LOOK! You can get FREE CIGARETTES here!" grin
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#2810556 - 10/22/16 11:55 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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#2810688 - 10/23/16 11:17 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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When I did smoke, it was about 3/4 pack daily until my right lung collapsed in Nov 1991, landing me in the hospital for 9 days.

While playing, I would simply keep an ashtray nearby. But, I'm certain I would also place my cigarette between the strings and headstock at times, mimicking EVH.

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#2863438 - 06/28/17 01:33 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: BiC]
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Cant access the OP link these days but the standard gtr plyr cig hang was stuck somewhere on the headstock or strings or held between the smaller fingers on the picking hand.
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#2863449 - 06/28/17 02:02 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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I quit smoking tobacco at 33 years of age, dumbest thing I ever did to my body. I never smoked while playing or performing. I always separated those two things naturally without ever thinking about it.
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#2863456 - 06/28/17 02:13 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: desertbluesman]
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I smoked during the breaks back in my gigging days. I quit back in '99 and it was the best thing I ever did... cool
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#2863458 - 06/28/17 02:13 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: desertbluesman]
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I could never smoke and play, I quit a few years back.

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#2863557 - 06/29/17 04:28 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Lokair]
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I'm glad I never smoked tobacco. Pot as a kid, but I never smoked a joint on stage; before and after, maybe, LOL.

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#2863566 - 06/29/17 04:52 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Quit smoking?

Well, the best I can say is.....

I haven't quit TRYING to! wink
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#2863568 - 06/29/17 05:01 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Bluesape]
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Originally Posted By: Bluesape
I may be the most militant anti-smoker you'll ever know, and could not be happier that those disgusting things are now banned in venues in Ontario.


As a matter of principal, I am not crazy about liberties being trampled by legislators doing more or less the right things for the wrong reasons.

But as someone who really does NOT miss burning eyes, an irritated nose and throat, stinky clothes, etc. during and following a gig- not to mention the prevention of terrible diseases- I AM THOROUGHLY WITH YA ON THIS, REIF!

Plus, the 'nicotine stain' of grille-cloth can be satisfactorily faked. wink
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#2863666 - 06/29/17 09:28 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I like the take it outside approach and appreciate the smoke free environment... puff
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#2863775 - 06/30/17 04:34 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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Growing up through the '50's, '60's and in the Metro Detroit area, I've long been acclimated to tolerate smoke filled environments. grin
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#2863776 - 06/30/17 04:43 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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I'm basically a libertarian, but smoking in closed environments affects OTHER people. Not just annoyance, but it can actually be harmful to their health; unlike drinking, which only pickles the liver of the drinker.
Of course, drinking and driving can't be tolerated because it's dangerous to all concerned - it's not a trivial matter.
While I don't like the "nanny state", like where our former mayor Bloomberg wanted to ban 64 oz. soft drink bottles, I can't honestly say I object to laws prohibiting smoking in offices and restaurants, from a personal standpoint. It's not really infringing on the rights of smokers because they can always go outside and smoke. They seem to have adapted to this and lived to tell the tale, LOL!

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#2863780 - 06/30/17 05:00 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Eric Iverson]
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The only issue I have with banning smoking in restaurants is that I've never in my life been in ANY eatery where the smoke was SO THICK as to either be annoying or hazardous. Usually, in a 1,000 sq. ft. restaraunt area, I'd see maybe two or three people "lit up". At the most. Nowhere NEAR enough to "kill off" any "innocent bystanders" I'd say.
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#2863800 - 06/30/17 08:26 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Bluesape]
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Originally Posted By: Bluesape
I may be the most militant anti-smoker you'll ever know, and could not be happier that those disgusting things are now banned in venues in Ontario.


You and me both, brother...

bandmates who vape haven't found a way to look rock and roll doing that, yet.

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#2863801 - 06/30/17 08:29 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: p90jr]
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actually, strangely, the bandmates who still smoke cigarettes prefer to play smoke-free clubs here... and don't smoke onstage.

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#2863826 - 06/30/17 11:25 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
...bandmates who vape haven't found a way to look rock and roll doing that, yet.

I'm w/ the anti-tobac group here (& vaping is just as dangerous both for users & bystanders) but them vaping cats & kitties can get their inner KR on by "cloud blasting".
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#2863858 - 06/30/17 04:15 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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Blowing your nose, farting, smoking, talking about your medical issues and talking on the cell phone should all be banded at the dinner table IMHO...I'm glad they stopped allowing smoking in restaurants. Bars and Bowling Alleys are fair game and it should be left up to the owners as to whether or not they want to allow smoking. I always prefer a non-smoking room at hotels too. One of these days though, I'm going to light up a Cuban, but it will be outdoors LOL! cool
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#2863890 - 07/01/17 04:18 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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Smoking in bars and bowling alleys has also been BANNED here in Michigan too, due to state directive.

Of any of that other stuff Larry, I'd say farting is the most difficult to prevent. Blowing your nose is more controllable. And as for talking on the cell phone at the dinner table.....

didja notice there IS a sort of movement promoting "Device-free dinners" for families? Noticed several PSA's for it during TV commercial breaks. And I remember an Uncle of mine mentioning that when HE was a kid, TALKING at the dinner table was prohibited.
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#2863948 - 07/01/17 09:43 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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In my house we always ate dinner with my two kids and enjoyed our little evening get togethers as it was the one time during the day that we always got to see each other. Talking was always encouraged. Now days someone says: "hey lets go to lunch or dinner," and while you're there, they pull out a cell phone and talk or text others. I make it a point to decline the next invitation LOL! Yeah they banned smoking in bars and bowling alleys out here in Cal too! However, they can't stop it in the Indian casinos LOL! cool


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#2864033 - 07/02/17 09:31 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Larryz]
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Toward the end days of smoking in bars here in Ohio, they had developed such effective smoke eating machines it was not an issue.
And then it hurt our business.
I don't smoke anymore but when I did , I was one of the greatest smokers who ever smoked. It was a different world then. We all grew up with parents who smoked every minute. It was normal to smoke. It actually did make you look cool. That part was true. Kieth Richard could smoke a cigarette and play guitar like no one ever though possible. When you went into battle in the army , they gave you bullets and smokes. That's how important smokes were. Eddie Van Halen kept his smoke tucked into his headstock strings . Back in the 50s the news anchor smoked right on TV. Like it was normal.

Now adays it's different. You can't smoke anymore. I quit because I got too old. But I still some pot . I'm smoking it right now.

I see the day when people can smoke pot in bars and I will be playing my guitar there too.

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#2864730 - 07/06/17 04:33 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Paul Scott Rock]
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Smoking pot in bars? Well, it would probably lead to less bad behavior than DRINKING, LOL.

I just hope that the musicians don't do it, or at least OVERDO it, while onstage. It doesn't enhance your performance, though you might THINK it does, LOL.

I remember back in the day some guys would try to perform while tripping on acid, but even the GRATEFUL DEAD had to abandon that strategy..........

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#2864733 - 07/06/17 04:46 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Eric Iverson]
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In a bit of relation, there's a story that alto legend CHARLIE PARKER used to think SCAG enhanced his playing despite everyone around him hearing differently. One night at a jam, bassist CHARLES MINGUS, who owned one of the early magnetic tape recorders, recorded Bird blowing while after a fix and played it back for Bird next day but told Charlie, "You gotta hear this NEW kid in town play! He's SENSATIONAL!"

But when Bird heard it, he was beside himself with how CRUMMY the sax player sounded. After berating him and saying the worst things he could think of about him he asked, "Just who IS this no talent motherf***ker anyway?" When Mingus told him,"It's YOU, Motherf***ker! THAT'S how you sound when you high!" It was THEN that Parker cut back on playing stoned. wink
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#2864915 - 07/06/17 11:03 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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+1 Eric, I quit drinking heavily and playing after hearing my own recording the next day back in '79. I limit myself to two beers/drinks before/during playing in front of anyone...I know that getting high will make you think you sound great. But, just listen to a recording the next day and you'll find you were not as good as you thought you were...at least that's my experience. I gave that up a long long time ago too LOL! cool
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#2864922 - 07/06/17 11:43 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
The only issue I have with banning smoking in restaurants is that I've never in my life been in ANY eatery where the smoke was SO THICK as to either be annoying or hazardous. Usually, in a 1,000 sq. ft. restaraunt area, I'd see maybe two or three people "lit up". At the most. Nowhere NEAR enough to "kill off" any "innocent bystanders" I'd say.
Whitefang


I've been in restaurants smoky enough to create a vision impairing haze. I sat in the car while the others ate.
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#2864949 - 07/07/17 04:13 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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PAUL SCOTT brought up something interesting up there...

"We all grew up with parents who smoked every minute." Indeed. So did I. And yet, NONE of the illnesses or other health issues I've had from then to now have EVER been connected to "second-hand" smoke! That's why I never bought into that crap. But you know, Americans. They'll swalow damn near anything. NOW, when they see someone light up even 50 feet away, they run in "fear of their lives"! But as a smoker, I was always respectful of the fact that tobacco smoke CAN be unpleasant for some, and was always courteous when any asked me if I could refrain or extinguish my smoke in their presence. For fun though, I'd say I'd comply, but only if they promised not to fart. wink
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#2865112 - 07/07/17 10:45 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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In a bit of relation, there's a story that alto legend CHARLIE PARKER used to think SCAG enhanced his playing despite everyone around him hearing differently. One night at a jam, bassist CHARLES MINGUS, who owned one of the early magnetic tape recorders, recorded Bird blowing while after a fix and played it back for Bird next day but told Charlie, "You gotta hear this NEW kid in town play! He's SENSATIONAL!"

But when Bird heard it, he was beside himself with how CRUMMY the sax player sounded. After berating him and saying the worst things he could think of about him he asked, "Just who IS this no talent motherf***ker anyway?" When Mingus told him,"It's YOU, Motherf***ker! THAT'S how you sound when you high!" It was THEN that Parker cut back on playing stoned. wink


Yeah ?
WHERE'S THAT STORY FROM ?
1ST, CP never "cut back" / 2nd, Parker never based his ideas on what he sounded like in performance but on what his schooled ear told him fit.
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#2865317 - 07/08/17 04:00 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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Read that account in some DOWNBEAT mag article about Bird. Back in the late '70's. I think they were QUOTING Mingus at the time.

And it's long been my understanding that Parker's "schooled ear" was the result of many years of stringent practice and applied experience, and not any real "schooling". Diz recalled that many a time Bird woud show up at his place in the middle of the night with some new idea and wanted Diz to write it down for him, Gillespie furiously jotting them down while Bird played them because Bird couldn't read or write notation. He was a "natural" phenomenon.
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#2865343 - 07/08/17 06:44 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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Parker had lessons from several tutors from childhood, some classically oriented, some early jazz masters.
He wrote his own notation & created the arrangements & orchestrations on several recordings he did late in his career utilizing strings.
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#2865348 - 07/08/17 07:05 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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In a bit of relation, there's a story that alto legend CHARLIE PARKER used to think SCAG enhanced his playing despite everyone around him hearing differently. One night at a jam, bassist CHARLES MINGUS, who owned one of the early magnetic tape recorders, recorded Bird blowing while after a fix and played it back for Bird next day but told Charlie, "You gotta hear this NEW kid in town play! He's SENSATIONAL!"

But when Bird heard it, he was beside himself with how CRUMMY the sax player sounded. After berating him and saying the worst things he could think of about him he asked, "Just who IS this no talent motherf***ker anyway?" When Mingus told him,"It's YOU, Motherf***ker! THAT'S how you sound when you high!" It was THEN that Parker cut back on playing stoned. wink


Yeah ?
WHERE'S THAT STORY FROM ?
1ST, CP never "cut back" / 2nd, Parker never based his ideas on what he sounded like in performance but on what his schooled ear told him fit.


I read the same account as Whitefang.
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#2865355 - 07/08/17 07:34 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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That just means the source is widely available, not that it's true.

Read a couple legit bios of Parker.
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#2865406 - 07/08/17 10:41 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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That just means the source is widely available, not that it's true.

Read a couple legit bios of Parker.

I agree- it could have just been a story Mingus told to make the interview better- but the truth of that particular matter isn't that important to me.
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#2865479 - 07/08/17 02:57 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Could be true, or might not be. Certainly none of the people relating these anecdotes have anything to gain by LYING, but regardless, by now it's all sawdust and doesn't really matter. And anyway....

I was just passing it on. NOT trying to compose any unauthorized official biography.
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#2865635 - 07/09/17 01:41 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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Could be true, or might not be. Certainly none of the people relating these anecdotes have anything to gain by LYING, but regardless, by now it's all sawdust and doesn't really matter.

I guess the "doesn't matter" part's why yer bringing it up, eh ?
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Read Mingus's autobio to get a glimmer of what one might gain by lying.
Cat was a truly great musician & social commenter but a shameless self promoter.

Byrd was a lazy cat & may've gotten a kick from having Gillespie or others do his work for him but to call him "unschooled" is wrong.

Further, & this is where it gets on ppl's nerves, there's an implicit denigration in evaluating someone as a "natural", as though they have some innate advantage over others & didn't have to work to achieve what often involved years/decades of hard work.
WORSE (for ya'll that like throwing capital letters around) it suggests that they lack the intellectual rigor to understand what they did just by, y'know, by bein' natchal....

When McKinley Morganfield bent notes, you can betyerbottomdollah he knew exactly the effect he wanted & how to get it.
Same w/ his acolyte Buddy Guy.

So easy to rob someone, even if "Gee I didn't mean THAT eek / I wuz just passin' it on / just..."

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#2865655 - 07/09/17 02:59 PM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: d]
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The "doesn't matter" thing merely implies that all them cats are long gone and there's no dependable way to varify anyting. Bios written after their deaths also rely on info passed on by family survivors and old friend's that might have still been around and don't wish to put any bad light on a dear old friend or beloved family member.

And there really IS no denigration in saying anyody is a "natural" talent. Sure, Bird( no "y" ) did work hard, and it paid off. But others worked just as hard if not harder and didn't get as good or as far.
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#2865743 - 07/10/17 04:46 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: whitefang]
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I heard a radio interview, Bird interviewed by another well known sax player, Paul Desmond (most famously with Dave Brubeck). Paul mentioned that Bird had "fantastic technique" and Bird replied that in his younger days he'd sometimes spend 15 hours a day practicing.
Do I believe that? Well, in HIS case, YES. LOL
As far as bios, I agree, they can be interesting and informative but are not sacrosanct; it's human beings reminiscing, after all.....

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#2866107 - 07/11/17 06:56 AM Re: Smoking and Playing [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Wow, great discussion

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