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#2806437 - 09/26/16 09:46 PM viscount by KeyB Organ
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Viscount Organs Corporation
https://www.facebook.com/ViscountOrgansCorporation/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

By now I've committed to the XK-5, expected arrival date 10/11, but competition is healthy...the more clones the better!

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#2806441 - 09/26/16 10:41 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JohnnyB3]
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Looks pretty yummy.
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#2806453 - 09/27/16 04:28 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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As far as cosmetics is concerned, to me the original reddish brown sides looked better.

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#2806456 - 09/27/16 05:14 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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Half moon switch protrudes out quite a bit!
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#2806457 - 09/27/16 05:20 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: b3boy]
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Originally Posted By: b3boy
Half moon switch protrudes out quite a bit!


That's actually a 2/3 moon switch. laugh
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#2806462 - 09/27/16 05:37 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Synthoid]
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For anyone worrying about products from Viscount they have service centers here in the States where a UPS truck comes by and picks up your unit and ships it both ways free of charge.
Oberheim MC3000 is 20 years old, never a problem.
My K4 did break down when I mistakenly stuck my Midget Porn USB Drive into the back thinking it was the latest upgrade from the website.
Had to use a PX-3S for 2 weeks, and got back my K4.

Totally pleased with Viscount, as for their hardware, I gig constantly and never once had any issues other than my SSD/USB stick stunt.

Key B seemed risky to me.
Saw what happened in Columbia, Missouri.
If I lived in Columbia, maybe I could tolerate the shortcomings.
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#2806472 - 09/27/16 06:33 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: hardware]
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#2806477 - 09/27/16 06:37 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: hardware]
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Originally Posted By: hardware

Oberheim MC3000 is 20 years old, never a problem.


You're lucky - mine started intermittently locking up on me after about 4 years and I eventually dumped it on some Russian guy in NY coming off a 4 day vodka drinking binge. They didn't have the service program you describe at that time although I was able to contact someone in Italy and they hand delivered an updated ROM chip to me at the NAMM show. I thought that was pretty cool although unfortunately it didn't fix the problem.

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#2806479 - 09/27/16 06:41 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Markyboard]
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I know it's got a lot better shot of happening note with the viscount involved. But we've seen pictures, videos, web sites, of the soon to be released Legend for a long time now. I'm going to say, "i'll believe it when I see it" until this thing is actually in stock at a US dealer.
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#2814135 - 11/07/16 06:46 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Nice summary:

http://viscountorgans.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/KeyB-Legend-leaflet.pdf

- Internal Power supply
- 11pin out
- FX send/return
- Aux in
- Pedal direct out
- 18kg (Live)
- 1899 Euros (live)

-> yummy !!!
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#2814178 - 11/07/16 09:30 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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#2814280 - 11/07/16 05:23 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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My favorite drawbar clone was a Viscount..Purchased it used in late eighties. Only got rid of it because I hooked up with a band who dropped tuned, cappoed up, played chords sideways, changed keys every week, and the organ (and organist) had no transpose ability...

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#2814287 - 11/07/16 06:17 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G

Nice summary:

http://viscountorgans.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/KeyB-Legend-leaflet.pdf

- Internal Power supply
- 11pin out
- FX send/return
- Aux in
- Pedal direct out
- 18kg (Live)
- 1899 Euros (live)

-> yummy !!!
;-)



My brother,

Where did you find this super secret leaflet that has not been printed or published on their website?

site:viscountorgans.net Key B

site:viscountinstruments.com Key B

Did someone un-officially leak it on their forums?
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#2814291 - 11/07/16 06:55 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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39 lbs. About the same weight as Mojo.
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#2814334 - 11/08/16 04:45 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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Is there any price known for the Legend (not Live)?
Going by what I've heard in the demos so far I really love the sound.

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#2814335 - 11/08/16 04:48 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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AFAIK: Legend 2599 Euros
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#2815145 - 11/12/16 04:49 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G

AFAIK: Legend 2599 Euros

Thanks for the reply.
I'm still undecided which one I should get, the Legend means 700 Euros more than the Live, and I'm also curious how the keybed feels and how it responds.

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#2815162 - 11/12/16 06:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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39 Lbs is for the Live.
The weight for the Legend was posted at one point online - but I can't find the link now. I think it's about 48 lbs. Not bad for 2 manuals and the reverse keys.
Pat Bianchi continues to use his Live (the original model) around town here in NYC and it sounds wonderful.
I couldn't wait for this any longer, so I ordered an XK-5. it's out, but the pedals are not out yet, maybe next week. I also have an original numa. I'll compare them. Hopefully will have this done by December.

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#2815177 - 11/12/16 08:15 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JohnnyB3]
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According to the Viscount leaflet the weight for the Legend is 46,29 lbs, or 21 kg.
That's not bad indeed.

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#2815195 - 11/12/16 10:20 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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I wonder if this is a straight up distribution agreement or another licensing agreement with KeyB. If it is a technology licensing agreement then good luck.


Edited by CEB (11/12/16 10:22 AM)
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#2849776 - 04/16/17 06:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
I wonder if this is a straight up distribution agreement or another licensing agreement with KeyB. If it is a technology licensing agreement then good luck.




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#2849833 - 04/16/17 12:48 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Six-string-man]
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#2849876 - 04/16/17 03:35 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jamienewman]
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I am very quickly losing interest in the Viscount Legend Live. I had a great preorder opportunity to buy in and my common sense told me to wait and see how this clone was really playing out.

At the time they said they would be here in March, then it was April, then last I heard there were production problems. Maybe May.... maybe not.
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#2849881 - 04/16/17 04:43 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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#2849892 - 04/16/17 06:07 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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As the local endorsee and now distributor for Australia, I can confirm these are shipping in May.
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#2849906 - 04/16/17 07:18 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: dazzjazz]
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Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
As the local endorsee and now distributor for Australia, I can confirm these are shipping in May.

Hey Dazz let us know when you have a Live I can check out in the flesh. I've finally got the Mojo dialed in but I'm very interested in seeing how the Live compares.
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#2850808 - 04/21/17 08:40 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John Tweed]
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Parade starting soon, will be led by Elvio himself through the streets of Italy to the airport!

http://www.b3guys.com/Viscount+Legend+Organ.html/product_id/569


Edited by Jg53 (04/21/17 08:52 AM)

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#2850817 - 04/21/17 09:05 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Jg53]
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Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas
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#2850830 - 04/21/17 11:11 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By: cgiles
Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas


Here's a reply from Pat Bianchi to me when I asked the same question:

"They are 2 different organs for sure. I like how the Legend cuts sonically, also the overall attack of the instrument is much better. Really fast response."
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#2850857 - 04/21/17 12:53 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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Thanks. A super fast attack suits my playing style. I'm seriously considering taking the plunge but I've got to get rid of SOMEthing first; four organs may be a tad overkill (for some smile ). I also want to replace my PK7a with the new pedalboard (I never got comfortable with straight pedals).

chas


Edited by cgiles (04/21/17 12:57 PM)
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#2850918 - 04/21/17 06:14 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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check out b3 guys website , they've got a picture of a truck
loaded with packed up legends ready to be shipped out , expected to arrive on the 10th of may

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#2851013 - 04/22/17 09:00 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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As it turns out, I'm officially the first to preorder the KeyB from Kraft. I'm thinking once these get "out", they will have trouble keeping up with demand. Worst case, if I don't like it, I can drive it back to them for a refund. I ordered the "Live" version. It will be perfect for a new project I'm working on.
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#2851038 - 04/22/17 12:00 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Thanks for the heads up that Kraft will have these.

This will be the first time that Key B has made it to a major distributor with a return policy.

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#2851049 - 04/22/17 12:59 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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Not bad at all the new legend Live ! Actually pretty good !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgSsbfTC3s
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#2851152 - 04/23/17 04:19 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By: cgiles
Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas


I owned the KeyBDuo and I tested the Legend in november (see my videos).
they are DEFINITELY different, for the keyclick, the percussion and expecially for the Leslie sim and saturation (the interaction between overdrive and expression pedal is great!).
I'm not only talking about rock sound (that is great on the Legend) but in general, with just a little saturation, the response of internal leslie sim is more realistic.

also, the LEGEND has an analog audio IN, for your real hammond (or a guitar, or whatever), if you wanto to record at home with the great leslie simulation and overdrive and reverb of the legend or just practice with headphones.

also, the LEGEND has a send-return input for additional effects pedals (for example, a tube overdrive - but you should not need one laugh ) and it will work BEFORE leslie simulation...

and, the LEGEND (the complete one, with presets octave) weight about 10 kgs less than the KeyBduo MKII and 5kgs less than the MKIII.

cheers


Edited by KRK (04/23/17 04:19 AM)

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#2851212 - 04/23/17 10:39 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: KRK]
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I listened to the Marsico audio clip listed above.

This is what I have been talking about on "another" thread. The organ is at first demonstrated with NO leslie sim on.

Not only more possible to hear what is really going on with percussion , CV and such but it gives us something to compare the basic Hammond tone with without being altered by a sim.

The leslie sim effect on this recording is gorgeous. And with or without the sim this organ has the potential to fool me on a recording if I did not know it was a clone.

I've been listening through headphones and it all sounds accurate. I don't want to get into comparisons and knock someone else's stuff, or talk about what has balls and what doesn't....

The last clone I bought was a Numa, largely because I trusted the ear of the designers...Elvio in conjunction with Joey D.

Is it possible that the bar has been raised?

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#2851217 - 04/23/17 11:14 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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I listened to the Marsico audio clip listed above.

This is what I have been talking about on "another" thread. The organ is at first demonstrated with NO leslie sim on.


Actually the sim IS on. The rotors are in stop mode, which is what almost all jazz players use. You can see the speed switch is in the middle (stop) position.

At 1:00 he flips the speed switch left, which is Chorale.

The great thing about stop is that it makes the CV shine, as LX and others have pointed out. It's harder to evaluate CV in Chorale or Fast.


Edited by mate stubb (04/23/17 11:15 AM)
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#2851222 - 04/23/17 11:50 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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I stand corrected if the sim is on.

On the Numa you definitely did not want the sim on brake. Brake affected the tone, so you had to turn the sim off.

On this it might not affect the tone of the organ...it doesn't seem to.

The clip in question is from jbolazzi's post above.

By the way it is the Live... not the Legend. It doesn't seem to lack much if any sound wise.

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#2851223 - 04/23/17 12:04 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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I stand corrected if the sim is on.

On the Numa you definitely did not want the sim on brake. Brake affected the tone, so you had to turn the sim off.


Leslie sims on stop can leave the virtual rotor in a random position, or always stop with the rotor in front. The tone is affected, sometimes drastically, if the rotor stops in a random position. This can be considered a drawback in spite of it being accurate to a real leslie. That is why many players prefer it to always stop in front.

This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.
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#2851234 - 04/23/17 01:09 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.


Which indicates he reach inside the back of the cabinet and moves the horn pointing towards him effectively leaving the horn stopped in the BACK position..... cool

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#2851238 - 04/23/17 01:27 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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Originally Posted By: Kurt W
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.


Which indicates he reach inside the back of the cabinet and moves the horn pointing towards him effectively leaving the horn stopped in the BACK position..... cool


laugh

I was wondering how they know the back of the horn from the front but I guess easy enough to stick gum on one side...or maybe use your ears?

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#2853148 - 05/02/17 08:32 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Markyboard]
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#2853361 - 05/03/17 06:11 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: KRK]
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Originally Posted By: KRK


Wow, nice!
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#2853763 - 05/05/17 12:48 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: MorayM]
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hmmm.

b3guys has a page on a single manual Legend Solo, expected September...

http://www.b3guys.com/Viscount+Legend+Solo+Organ.html/product_id/585

First I've heard of it. Forgive me if already discussed.
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#2853765 - 05/05/17 12:53 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Barryjam]
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At NAMM 2017, when I spoke with Elvio he advised a single-manual version would be coming soon. Really glad to hear of some follow-up info here. thu
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#2853854 - 05/06/17 04:55 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jbolazzi]
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Originally Posted By: jbolazzi
Not bad at all the new legend Live ! Actually pretty good !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgSsbfTC3s

Outstanding! Not only does it sound awesome, but the price and weight are reasonable. Kudos to Alberto for his great playing and demo. I hope for an opportunity to play one soon.
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#2855657 - 05/16/17 02:15 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Al Quinn]
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I decided to order the Legend Live after listening to these video. The toy was delivered on timeand wanted to share my first impressions on the Legend Live.
-The Legend is rather well built. The materials are well chosen and clearly a compromise was made in order to save weight and to control the manufacturing costs. But the overall quality versus lightness is well balanced to my mind.. from the aesthetic side it is a pretty nice mix of tradition and vintage... Matter of taste!

-The interface is very well studied, immediately feeling very comfortable compared to my classic Hammond B3.

-The sound of the clone is quite realistic (of course a suitable amplifier must be used for a good bass response)

-The Leslie effect is also realistic

-What impressed me the most on this instrument are the many options available to optimize the sound:

There are 6 knobs, easily accessible, which makes a huge difference on the sound output compared to the other clones I have used so far (but even compared to the original Hammond B3):

For example:

1. setting the key click level

2. adjusting the Decay

3. Adjusting the Percussion volume

4. Setting the overdrive

5. Adding Crosstalk signal(typical background noise of the B3)

6. Adjusting the sustain and the volume of the pedal drawbar that can be layered with the lower keyboard bass sound. It simulate the use of the pedal and accentuate the bass output.

My conclusion: For an Hammond Clone it is very convincing. It offers the necessary settings to simulate the original sound. Having the chance to own a B3 and a Leslie, I was able to test and compare the sounds with the original one, and I greatly appreciated in particular the value of the "percussion or Crosstalk setting".

The Legend is very nice for LIVE use, the instrument offers a range of settings easily accessible, not forgetting an EQ (for bass/medium/high) which can be useful to adapt to the acoustic conditions of a concert hall.
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#2856032 - 05/18/17 04:43 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jbolazzi]
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I too just received the Legend live. It is replacing a Crumar Mojo, which was also a stellar-sounding instrument, so this thing had a high bar to reach.

On most accounts, it is phenomenal. The raw tone is great - slightly better than the Mojo. The percussion and C/V are also standouts. The key click is very well done, but here is give the slight edge to the Mojo. The drive is very well done and responds as it should. And the swell pedal response - that is, how the physical movements correlate with the changes in volume - feels very authentic to me, closer to a real Hammond than the Mojo.

Here's my one area of disappointment - the key stiffness. I was spoiled by the Mojo's adjusted Fatar keybed that gave a key dip. Wry close to the real thing. The Legend IS stiffer. It's not egregiously so, and still very playable, but it IS stiffer than the real deal by a considerable margin.

Overall, I think I'm gonna love this thing. The tone is superb, the layout is 100% as it should be, and the build quality is very good. And the keys will loosen a little over time. All in all, VERY happy with it!

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#2856072 - 05/19/17 12:15 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Hi Scottzo, I thought you could be interested with my feedback as well regarding the keybed feeling. I have my B3 (1957) and the Viscount Legend close each other and by comparison I feel the B3 keybed is actually stifer than the Viscount one. I have to precise that the keyfelts on my B3 was replaced recently and the keybed was adjusted by Hammond service few years ago. Therefore the mechanical of my B3 is probably close to original. Even the keybed of the Hammond vintage organ would tend to wear out and will feel lighter over the years. I was always told that B3 organs are all differents, each one having its own characteristic. The Legend is for sure not designed to last 60 years, it doesn't feel like driving a Cadillac Deville, but it is light and for the fun it can be played every day with a different sound flavor ( just need to turn more or less one of these potentiometers ....) Enjoy it.
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#2856111 - 05/19/17 07:13 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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just received the the live this week , i much prefer the tone
through the rock setting but the tremolo is too throbby to my
ears . anyway i found out you can disable the sim on the live
by holding the select and rotary buttons till the the rotary button lights red , then run it into a vent , the live came
alive . you have to check this out

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#2856112 - 05/19/17 07:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
anyway i found out you can disable the sim on the live by holding the select and rotary buttons till the the rotary button lights red , then run it into a vent , the live came alive . you have to check this out
Are you saying that the Vent leslie sim is more realistic than the Viscount?
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#2856115 - 05/19/17 08:10 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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that's the way I am reading it, DD
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#2856157 - 05/19/17 12:16 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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it's not so much the sim itself , the sim is excellent , more
defined than the original keyb sim ( i have a keyb expander
to compare it to ) it's basically what the vent does to the tone.
the tube saturation does wonders for the sound , i guess much like what a 122 would do for it , it also softens the bottom end
a bit . it's got alot of character

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#2856288 - 05/20/17 04:35 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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been tweeking the midrange knob on the live and more or less
got the tone i was looking far in classic mode so yea , it is
working quite nicely without the vent . i think that's mostly difference between classic and rock , oh and fear not , the leslie sim IS excellent

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#2856323 - 05/20/17 08:33 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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The leslie sim on the Viscount is the best I've heard of any sim, including the Vent. There were videos where I could hardly notice the difference between the sim and a real leslie. I do think the C/V is more aggressive than I like but imagine that C2 is probably more to my liking. Great piece of gear.
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#2856331 - 05/20/17 09:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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i guess to me , it's a tone thing , listening to it closely
i think the sim itself edges out the vent , but if you turn off the sim altogether the raw tone comes through and it's remarkable .
to my ears the internal sim ,especially the classic ( the better
of the two ) is coloring the sound somewhat in a way that's taking away from raw tone . through a leslie must be a fantasic

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#2856346 - 05/20/17 10:53 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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So I should amend my early review. The keys feel pretty good. After just a few days playing the keyboard, I feel like they're already "breaking in" a little. This is a pretty amazing piece of gear - very, very happy with it!

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#2856357 - 05/20/17 12:00 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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absolutely

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#2856430 - 05/20/17 07:58 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
i guess to me , it's a tone thing , listening to it closely
i think the sim itself edges out the vent , but if you turn off the sim altogether the raw tone comes through and it's remarkable .
to my ears the internal sim ,especially the classic ( the better
of the two ) is coloring the sound somewhat in a way that's taking away from raw tone . through a leslie must be a fantasic
I'm in between sets right now and we're playing outdoors. One set with the Gemini sim and one set with the vent. We played outdoors and I could hear the organ much better. Forget what I said above, the vent does something to the frequency response accentuation that the Gemini sim just doesn't do. The cabinet simulation and 3-D airiness just outshine the gemini sim. Looks like I'll be using the Vent going forward with the Gemini.
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#2856749 - 05/22/17 06:49 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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the more i play around with it , as far as vent vs. legend sim,
they're both good options . with the classic , rock, the 3 organ models and a little midrange tweaking you have a good range of
tone to work with .i can see the 3 models being very useful .
also , it transmits velocity pretty good , much like the numa ,
as i remember it .

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#2856751 - 05/22/17 07:18 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
it transmits velocity pretty good


???? Confused. Please explain.

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#2856769 - 05/23/17 03:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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for triggering an external midi instrument , in mute mode it
sends velocity

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#2856778 - 05/23/17 05:40 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Not possible to simultanously send midi velocity as well as have sound from the organ? Will it send midi from both manuals? Possible to mute the manuals independently? Would be nice to have some more details about the Visount as a Controller of modules or softsynths.

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#2856877 - 05/23/17 03:26 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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both manuals can be muted independently , the upper being channel 1 and the lower , channel 2 . the organ will sound along with an
external instrument , unfortunately it only transmits velocity when muted . there's a legend manual available at viscount's
website

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#2856896 - 05/23/17 05:31 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
...the vent does something to the frequency response accentuation that the Gemini sim just doesn't do. The cabinet simulation and 3-D airiness just outshine the gemini sim. Looks like I'll be using the Vent going forward with the Gemini.


Exactly my comment last year when I compared the Burn to the Vent using my SK1. The Vent has some kind of EQ magic going on with the higher freq's. It hasn't been confirmed but most likely the sim in the Mojo/Gemini is basically the Burn. Good but the Vent is still better.

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#2856917 - 05/23/17 07:27 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Thank you for the details

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#2856992 - 05/24/17 08:57 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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I just wanted to share, in case anyone else is feeling like the tone isn't coming through as full-bodied as you would hope: today I ran the Legend live through my normal gigging speaker setup - two powered PA speakers (a 12" and a 10", both made by Alto, stacked with the 12" on the bottom and the 10" on top, offset by about 60 degrees in where they're pointing) - for the first time. Prior to this I was just using my home powered monitor speakers and a small sub for bass. The thing just came alive in a big way! Speakers always make a difference, but I feel like the difference it made for the Legend is a lot more noticeable than it has been for past clones I've owned (Mojo, XK1c, XK3). It sounded absolutely gorgeous - even across the whole board, fantastic low end and a nice shimmering high drawbar sound. What really made the difference, I think, is having it run through speakers that can really handle the low frequencies without struggling. The low tones are nice and full, mellow and round. Before, they were overly "punchy" and definitely straining to fully come through.

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#2857079 - 05/24/17 04:41 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Hi all,

Just wanted to share my inital experience with the Viscount Key B Legend and Legend Live.

To start with, I need to emphasise that I am a home player only, aged in my early sixties. I have played as a hobby for many years but don't have either the confidence or ability to earn a living from my hobby. I live in London in the U.K. Previous tonewheel type keyboards that I have owned were a Cavendish portable, a Nord C1, and a Numa 2 organ.

I have had a deposit on the new Viscount Key B Live since last August/September, so was really pleased to head up to Northampton to the U.K. distributor to try both the new organs out.
To be totally honest, I was extremely disappointed. Not with the sound or the playing experience which are both first class. It's the poor build quality that really surprised me.

I sat down at the larger of the two organs (Legend) and first noticed the three 'rocker' type switches on the top left of the keyboards. The third one actually leaned over to one side rather than sitting upright. I tried it out and it did work, but it looked really strange leaning to one side. I then noticed a strip of metal between the two keyboards. this metal (tubing) was screwed down on the left and right sides. In the centre it was very flexible and you could push it right in. A slightly thicker tubing would make it less flexible and more sturdy. I also noticed that every single drawbar plastic end (the bit you hold to pull it in or out) had bits of rough plastic attached to them which had not been cleaned off (obviously where they were connected to the mould).
The lack of attention to detail with the drawbars and the poor quality materials used left me a little concerned with the build quality of the organ. Fortunately the sound quality (tone), the leslie sim and the beautiful keyboard feel (thank you Fatar) more than made up for the other issues.
As a home player only I would place the organ in one position and that's where it would stay, whereas I would have serious concerns if I was a gigging musician as to wether the organ could stand up to the rigours of continual moving, setting up and dismantling.

I genuinely do not want to put anybody off buying a Viscount Key B organ, but please try and get hands on before making a purchase. I honestly think it's the best clone available but wanted to share my intial views with you all.

My previous clone was a single keyboard Numa 2 organ which quite frankly was built like a tank. The Viscount Key B's I saw today were not in the same league as the Numa 2 as far as build quality goes.

I may be guilty of having high expectations of the Key B Legend organs particularly as I expected to have had mine over eight months ago, with delay after delay only now are they becoming available to purchase.

Chris

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#2857142 - 05/25/17 03:43 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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i have the live , the metal strip between the manuals on mine
is solid aluminum ,it's quite stiff . the instrument itself
is quite stiff , doesn't flex at all if you pick up one corner .
the drawbars are metal , identical in width to a vintage hammond
, is there another clone out there with metal drawbars ?

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#2857145 - 05/25/17 04:29 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Hi Bill,

The Legend model I played was the demo model at MusicWorld Northampton (official U.K. distributor). I don't know if that was a model that would have been sold to members of the public or one sent in just for demo purposes.
Hopefully production models will be similar to yours.

with regards to the drawbars, they are metal and I'm sure very sturdy. It was just the finish on the plastic ends that you hold to pull the drawbars out. They all had small bits of rough plastic still connected to them. I would have expected under normal circumstances that a member of the construction team would have cleaned these up with some kind of tool, craft knife or something similar. It just looked poorly finished.
As I said in my post, I have had a Legend Live on order for eight months because I'm committed to owning one. If the production models that people are receiving are anything like the demo model at MusicWorld Northampton, I expect concerns will be raised.

One final point, in my post I mentioned the third rocker switch on the top left of the Legend organ was 'leaning over' and not upright like the other two. When I mentioned it to a member of the Music World staff, he said to me, quote: "It doesn't really matter does it, you ordered a Legend live and that doesn't have rocker switches!!"
I kid you not.

Chris

p.s. I'm sure the drawbars are metal, and I would assume all drawbars on all clones would be metal. I also would not doubt that the instrument is quite stiff. I just thought that the finish was poor for an instrument that will cost over £2,000.

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#2857158 - 05/25/17 05:51 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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Quite surprised by the build quality comment. When I picked up my Mk1 Key B Duo back from Musicworld way back in 2008, the build quality was solid, superior in every way to another company in Italy which I returned most unimpressed.

Maybe Viscount wanted cheaper production costs? But that was the one thing that delighted me way back, at that time hand built by Elvio.
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#2857231 - 05/25/17 08:54 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: b3boy]
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I think the MAG has metal drawbars too.
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#2857256 - 05/25/17 10:23 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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I have the Legend live and overall I feel the build quality is good. the drawbars have a bit more side-to-side "wiggle" than those on my former keyboard, a Mojo. I would give the edge in drawbar feel, therefore, to the Mojo. But I can also say the Mojo had weird glitches from day one, and so far the performance of the Legend has been rock solid. And the drawbars feel ok overall. There was one single drawbar that would rub against the side when pulled from the wrong angle and jam up a bit - I ended up taping a little piece of cardboard next to it and now it's smooth from all angles. Yeah, not perfect, but I don't think ive owned ANY keyboard that didn't have something like that. It was an easy fix and I'm very happy with it overall.

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#2857384 - 05/26/17 04:12 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Well, I've gone and placed a Thomann order for the Legend... Will be selling a C2D in Melbourne in a few weeks, would a comparison between the C2D and the Legend be a video people would be interested in watching? Always hard to tell what interest remains in the C2D with all of the options around these days...
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#2857387 - 05/26/17 05:25 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JWhllr]
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Hi Bill Bosco,

In reference to the mtal strip between the keyboards being flexible. The model I noticed it on was the Legend, not the Legend Live. On the Legend, the strip spans an extra octave because of the preset keys whereas the live has less distance from end to end.
Perhaps that is why the metal strip on the Live does not appear quite so flexible.

Chris

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#2857390 - 05/26/17 05:29 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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JWhllr,

Please do a comparison of the Key B Legend and the Nord C2D.
I once owned a C1 but could not get used to it.

Chris

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#2857438 - 05/26/17 08:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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Why not compare the Legend to the real B3? That's the best way. wink




The Legend Live is very solid. The gig bag is great too. I have played a dozen of gigs with it since I got it. No problems. Unlike one clone, it's solid. I haven't had a sigle problem like the C2D, and the SK1/2. I think the build quality is good. Viscount has a good reputation making solid instruments. I owned the DB5 a long time ago, and it was very reliable.


Edited by b3halt (05/26/17 08:53 AM)
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#2857485 - 05/26/17 11:54 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: b3halt]
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Does the gig bag have decent padding? I wanted to get it but not if it's too flimsy.

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#2857659 - 05/27/17 11:32 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Originally Posted By: Scottzo
Does the gig bag have decent padding? I wanted to get it but not if it's too flimsy.


Yes, it's a thick padded bag. I highly recommend to get this if you buy the Legend or the Legend Live.
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#2858591 - 06/01/17 06:56 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: b3halt]
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Hi,
Been looking at the Thomann website as they are advertising Key B Legend and Legend Live organs. I spoke to a very friendly chap who works for them, and he informed me that they were due a consignment of the organs from Italy on 29th May. This never materialised, and the date was put back to 2nd June. This date has now been changed from 2nd to 9th June. I hope this is just due to demand outstripping supply and not production problems.
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#2858611 - 06/01/17 08:13 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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.... it's on stock at Music store Cologne.......
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#2858650 - 06/01/17 11:32 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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Got my legend live here in Chicago yesterday but Havnt had a chance to play it yet , visually gorgeous , hopefully it sounds just as good Maybe the first in Chicago ?
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#2859375 - 06/05/17 12:38 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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I have heard about several people who had major issues with the original Key B rocker switches.

It's just another reason I got the original Numa instead of the single manual Key B.

I never had any problems with the round Numa switches, which look like the ones on the Key B live.

Though there was a wish to have authentic switches from Key B, I would go with the Live and the round switches. They are solid.

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#2859636 - 06/06/17 03:05 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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I now have a Legend Live on order! smile It won't arrive until mid July, but the store will lend me their demo unit for two weeks, so I can use it when recording an upcoming album with my band - how is that for customer support? smile
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#2859659 - 06/06/17 04:48 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Originally Posted By: Aussie_Chicago
Got my legend live here in Chicago yesterday but Havnt had a chance to play it yet , visually gorgeous , hopefully it sounds just as good Maybe the first in Chicago ?
I bet you are, Andy! I'm eagerly anticipating a report. What are you playing it through?
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#2859877 - 06/07/17 11:26 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Dnsmo]
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Originally Posted By: Dnsmo
Originally Posted By: Aussie_Chicago
Got my legend live here in Chicago yesterday but Havnt had a chance to play it yet , visually gorgeous , hopefully it sounds just as good Maybe the first in Chicago ?
I bet you are, Andy! I'm eagerly anticipating a report. What are you playing it through?


I generally use twin dxr10's , I also have a ssv3 I also will try it with a speakeasy/ 122 or 147. Right now I have an xk3c , sk2 , legend live and a 63'B3 if anyone wants to do a " shootout" in Chicago
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#2860288 - 06/09/17 02:30 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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For all of you OREGONIANS....

The PIANO GALLERY in Eugene Oregon has the LEGEND now in their store...

Possibly this is the only one in a relatively small town. Eugene has a population of about 200, 000.

Eugene has always been a pretty cool place, so it doesn't surprise me. There was a connection to this store and the previous Key B attempt that was manufactured in Missouri.

I am about an hour from Eugene so I will definitely be checking it out. I have pretty much given up on the Mojo for now. The sim didn't cut it for me.

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#2860313 - 06/09/17 05:14 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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I thought you didn't use a sim? I thought you used C/V and no sim, simulating a PR-40 tone cabinet? You have every right to your opinion, but I must say that you are in a large minority. SMH .... crazy

This was the Gemini leslie sim delivered right out of the box, no tweaking whatsoever. I received the Gemini and went out the next night and gigged: sounds "ok" to me:

https://youtu.be/YmVbvl99KIs

Originally Posted By: LX88

I have pretty much given up on the Mojo for now. The sim didn't cut it for me.
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#2860482 - 06/11/17 12:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JWhllr]
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Well, I've gone and placed a Thomann order for the Legend... Will be selling a C2D in Melbourne in a few weeks, would a comparison between the C2D and the Legend be a video people would be interested in watching? Always hard to tell what interest remains in the C2D with all of the options around these days...


Is Darren (dazzjazz) not distributing KeyB in Australia any more?
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#2860490 - 06/11/17 04:09 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: niacin]
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He is! I'd got things wrong and assumed viscount distributors would be taking over (viscount are hard to find in Aus). After approaching a company that I've seen viscount products at before (they didn't really know what I'm talking about, I'm not naming names) I looked to Europe. Darren does distribute here indeed.
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#2860640 - 06/12/17 09:45 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JWhllr]
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Originally Posted By: JWhllr
He is! I'd got things wrong and assumed viscount distributors would be taking over (viscount are hard to find in Aus). After approaching a company that I've seen viscount products at before (they didn't really know what I'm talking about, I'm not naming names) I looked to Europe. Darren does distribute here indeed.

Might want to be careful getting one from Europe to Australia, not sure if you would be covered under warranty ie- you would have to ship it back and forth to Europe for work.
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#2860656 - 06/12/17 11:36 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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I tried to be somewhat low key about it, but I definitely prefer both the original Numa sim and HX3 sim to the Mojo.

Given that, I am looking forward to hearing what Viscount/ Key B has to offer. Not that I am really in the market for a full blown dual manual, but I have always been a huge supporter of the Key B sound( not so much Elvio's business practices).

After my Mojo experience I am hoping to re vitalize my original Numa ( needs repair). The Numa 1 seems to have disappeared from the e bay market.

The Mojo had way too much " cabinet" simulation for me.

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#2860665 - 06/12/17 12:41 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
I tried to be somewhat low key about it, but I definitely prefer both the original Numa sim and HX3 sim to the Mojo.

Given that, I am looking forward to hearing what Viscount/ Key B has to offer. Not that I am really in the market for a full blown dual manual, but I have always been a huge supporter of the Key B sound( not so much Elvio's business practices).


The Key B will be available in a single manual later this year I believe . As for Elvio's practices, I'm not sure if you've had something personal happen with him, but the whole fiasco was the DLQ company here in the states that were commissioned to build his units , that turned into a big failure. Not Elvio's fault. I feel confident that Viscount who are building these will be good , they have a very strong reputation.
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#2860666 - 06/12/17 12:43 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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On the Gemini (can't speak for the Mojo 61) the following leslie adjustments are available: Ambience, defined as the level of ambience reverberations; Cabinet, defined as the Level of wooden cabinet resonances. Did you try adjusting these parameters to reduce the level of cabinet simulation?
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#2860804 - 06/13/17 08:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Hi Guys,

Quick couple of questions to any of you that have purchased (and received) a Key B Legend Live organ.
Firstly, was their any documentation in the Box ? E.g. Manual, service documentation, registration details ? Power requirement / safety details ?
Secondly were there fingermarks all over it indicating that it had been used previously ?
Thirdly, was there a correct power cable (for your Country) included in the box ?

I have just received a Legend Live from a European internet shop with nothing except for the organ, incorrect power cable for the U.K. and a music rest. Nothing else whatsoever.

I genuinely welcome other Forums members opinions, as these would influence how I intend to proceed.

The Company member I spoke to was polite, but was not overly surprised and just went through the procedure for me to return the goods.

I'm really annoyed as this has been on order since the end of April/early May.

Chris

p.s. I'm probably wrong on this, but thought that Companies selling electrical products were legally bound to provide safety documentation.


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#2860846 - 06/13/17 01:36 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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I'm in the states, that's pretty much it. Organ wrapped in plastic , no manuals or paperwork. I did have the correct iec power cord. Mine did not have any fingerprints though.
It also has the music rest. I just downloaded the manual and printed it out. No drama Really there's not much included in the manual anyway. What exactly are you wanting ??
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#2860855 - 06/13/17 02:18 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Hi Aussie Chicago,

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression, I was just a little surprised.

The organ was ordered seven weeks ago and now it's arrived after all that wait it looks like I've been sent the shop floor model.
It's definitely been opened and used and then packed and sent onto me. Maybe they are struggling to get stock.

Is it common in the States to receive goods like this ?

Downloading the manuals is not a problem, but I just assumed there would be some literature in the box. Companies can be really funny about insisting you read all instructions prior to use, especially electrical goods. Obviously not Viscount !!
But thanks for letting me know how yours turned up.

Have to say it's a lovely looking bit of kit (that ivory look to the keyboards).

Chris

p.s. "What exactly are you wanting".
We need to start a thread on that one.
I'll start with a free 13 note pedalboard (and a Viscount Key B Live key ring) !!

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#2860868 - 06/13/17 05:53 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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As far as the question about editing the Mojo sim

I tried using the wi fi editor, and it frustrated the heck out of me. I monkeyed with the parameters and never got close to anything I could live with, after living with the Key B/ Numa for 6 years.

I wish Crumar the best - they are good people but the Mojo 61 was not for me for a lot of reasons.

So that brings us to Key B. I never once felt the need to tweak the Numa sim. I hate tweaking things .... I trust the Key B more from a design perspective.

I am hoping this new Key B venture pans out with Viscount. I am not sure I want to get into buying " boutique" product with questionable support but I have always loved the Key B sound.

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#2860888 - 06/13/17 10:14 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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LX, you should probably buy the single manual Legend when it comes out. That's as close to your Numa as you are going to get.
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#2872141 - 08/10/17 03:40 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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Originally Posted By: chelsea4023
Hi Guys,

Quick couple of questions to any of you that have purchased (and received) a Key B Legend Live organ.
Firstly, was their any documentation in the Box ? E.g. Manual, service documentation, registration details ? Power requirement / safety details ?
Secondly were there fingermarks all over it indicating that it had been used previously ?
Thirdly, was there a correct power cable (for your Country) included in the box ?

I have just received a Legend Live from a European internet shop with nothing except for the organ, incorrect power cable for the U.K. and a music rest. Nothing else whatsoever.

I genuinely welcome other Forums members opinions, as these would influence how I intend to proceed.

The Company member I spoke to was polite, but was not overly surprised and just went through the procedure for me to return the goods.

I'm really annoyed as this has been on order since the end of April/early May.

Chris

p.s. I'm probably wrong on this, but thought that Companies selling electrical products were legally bound to provide safety documentation.


I received my Legend Solo from MusicStore (via DV24/7 in the UK) in Germany last week - it arrived in a sturdy Viscount Solo box, stapled and taped. Never been opened since it left the factory. Inside was a printed manual and a European mains cable. DV247 could have thrown in a UK cable like Thomann do, but not a problem. Organ build quality is first class and no fingerprints! The finish on the end cheeks , which I think is Alder, is also superb. The sound - well its the most authentic clone I've played and I've had a few - Korg CX-3 both types. XK1, Gemini Desktop, Nord 3/4/5 , Vent MK1 and a Lester K.


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#2873566 - 08/17/17 01:24 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: ZefrKeys]
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Just placed my order for the Viscount Legend Live. I'm joining the club officially very soon! :-)

Thanks to everybody who has chatted with me about this instrument.

I had a very difficult decision to make between a Viscount Legend Live and a great deal on the GSI DMC-122 with the internal Gemini module.

I am going to pair my Legend Live with a Roland FA-07 that is very lightweight and portable for all of my "extra sounds". Plus the Kurzweil Forte 7 is a weighted key option with great APs, EPs, Clav, Synths, etc. So lots of options there and I think I will enjoy the playing experience of the Legend Live much more than missing all of the other things that I miss not having the Gemini module.

That's that... now I just wait for my organ to arrive next week!
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#2873588 - 08/17/17 03:13 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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I recently got to play one for the first time, and the first thing I noticed was how stiff the action was. It seemed noticeably stiffer than any other clone I'd ever played, and there were some fast runs I can pull off on other boards that I couldn't do on it. It was noticeable enough that I'm now reconsidering whether I want one after being all but sold on it, though in all other ways it was great. Is that just the way they're made, or is it possible this was just a wonky unit?
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#2873589 - 08/17/17 03:24 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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LX88, I understand your thoughts on the original NumaOrgan completely, it's the only clone that I could just plug in a set of headphones and play all day and never get tired of it. The C3 is really good and the Leslie sim also great. Unfortunately, when it came to live gigging it seemed difficult to get it out in the mix and fairly bottom heavy, of course amplification makes a big difference, but my K8s and K10s never seemed to cut enough with the Numa. I've since owned a Mojo and now a Mojo 61 and I'm very pleased. I have been able to quite easily tweak both the Leslie sim and the chorus vibrato and percussion to my taste and the huge bonus is the very high quality extra sounds. When combined with my Nord Stage it seems to be a perfect rig for me. I have no doubt that the Viscount will be superb, Elvio has always been able to produce 'the sound'. Enjoy!
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#2873653 - 08/18/17 04:04 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: kenheeter]
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Just to add to this thread, I posted separately but I had the same issue as Chris (all the fingerprints etc, European power cord and also a dent in the front panel).
It's not good enough - I paid for a brand new one and that's what I expected. I hope that the next one that arrives is genuinely factory-fresh. If not, I'll get a refund and then buy something else on principle, which would be a shame.
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#2873690 - 08/18/17 07:19 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Resolution 88]
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Hi Guys,

Sorry I missed this thread recently, and sorry to Resolution 88 for the same problems that I encountered being sent a used model.

I returned my Legend Live to the well known German internet retailer I purchased from, who in fairness were no problem, and covered all costs.

I ended up buying from Trevor at MusicWorld Northampton (U.K)who until Viscount took over production of the Legend and Legend Live was the U.K. Distibutor of everything Key B for many, many years. A reliable trustworthy guy.

My personal opinion is that Viscount had no idea how great the demand for Legend and Legend Live organs was going to be. They took the product manufacturing and distribution over from Elvio, priced the models as cheap as possible and hoped for a quick turnaround on profits. They would never have expected such massive demand for the products. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be the best selling products Viscount have ever made. They clearly could not cope with demand, hence the numerous delays. I also think they'll be kicking themselves for pricing the organs so cheaply.

I am however so pleased for Elvio as he's struggled in the past with production and distribution problems and it's great to see such a fine product actually reaching the masses at an affordable price. I will always remember the hard work that Elvio put into trade shows (setting up stands himself), the warm nature of him as a person. On several occasions I have rang his headquarters in Italy to be answered personally by him and enjoy time chatting in perfect English (him not me) about his products.

Can I also mention how great the clone market is now (Hammond XK5 and SK, Crumar Mojo, Nord C2D, Uhl-Instruments X3.2, Studiologic Numa 2, sorry if I missed any). I would not criticise any of them, each to their own but for me it's Viscount Key B all the way. I must admit to being totally baffled why the owner of one model would knock another model.

In a previous thread I mentioned about the build quality on a Key B Legend organ I had tried in Northampton. I'm pleased to say that the Legend Live I received from Trevor is of the highest build quality (so no problems there).

Finally, I aim to be a first by matching my Legend Live with a Korg PA4X arranger keyboard in a three keyboard setup with bass pedals. Anybody who has seen or heard a PA4X will know what amazing sounds this keyboard has (Kronos level), so hopefully these keyboards will complement each other (photos to follow).

Chris

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#2873870 - Yesterday at 04:59 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: chelsea4023]
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I have just placed an order for the Live this morning, hopefully due in mid September.
Any thoughts on alternative stands to the expensive Viscount model?

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#2873917 - Yesterday at 11:44 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: spanner]
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I looked into this. A lot depends on whether or not you are going to be using pedals, as most third party stands don't have much pedal space underneath.

Once you have that sorted, very few stands have the depth (front to back) to support a two manual organ.

Also, I spoke to Juke Fox, who has a shop in Denver, and sells these things. He says that the Viscount stand actually locks to the keyboard, making the whole structure a lot more solid.

Just a couple of things you might want to consider.

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#2873938 - Yesterday at 02:25 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Six-string-man]
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you could check out the on-stage t-stands , like the ws8550 .
they have the depth and the height adjustment brings it right to
the height of vintage tone-wheel

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#2873987 - Today at 02:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Thanks for the recommendation. I have also checked out the Quiklok ws650 which is very similar.
I am tempted to suck up the cost and get the Viscount stand if I can sell a few unwanted items.
Does anyone have the Live and the stand? Any good?

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