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#2806437 - 09/26/16 09:46 PM viscount by KeyB Organ
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Viscount Organs Corporation
https://www.facebook.com/ViscountOrgansCorporation/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

By now I've committed to the XK-5, expected arrival date 10/11, but competition is healthy...the more clones the better!

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#2806441 - 09/26/16 10:41 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JohnnyB3]
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Looks pretty yummy.
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#2806453 - 09/27/16 04:28 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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As far as cosmetics is concerned, to me the original reddish brown sides looked better.

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#2806456 - 09/27/16 05:14 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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Half moon switch protrudes out quite a bit!
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#2806457 - 09/27/16 05:20 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: b3boy]
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Originally Posted By: b3boy
Half moon switch protrudes out quite a bit!


That's actually a 2/3 moon switch. laugh
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#2806462 - 09/27/16 05:37 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Synthoid]
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For anyone worrying about products from Viscount they have service centers here in the States where a UPS truck comes by and picks up your unit and ships it both ways free of charge.
Oberheim MC3000 is 20 years old, never a problem.
My K4 did break down when I mistakenly stuck my Midget Porn USB Drive into the back thinking it was the latest upgrade from the website.
Had to use a PX-3S for 2 weeks, and got back my K4.

Totally pleased with Viscount, as for their hardware, I gig constantly and never once had any issues other than my SSD/USB stick stunt.

Key B seemed risky to me.
Saw what happened in Columbia, Missouri.
If I lived in Columbia, maybe I could tolerate the shortcomings.
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#2806472 - 09/27/16 06:33 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: hardware]
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#2806477 - 09/27/16 06:37 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: hardware]
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Originally Posted By: hardware

Oberheim MC3000 is 20 years old, never a problem.


You're lucky - mine started intermittently locking up on me after about 4 years and I eventually dumped it on some Russian guy in NY coming off a 4 day vodka drinking binge. They didn't have the service program you describe at that time although I was able to contact someone in Italy and they hand delivered an updated ROM chip to me at the NAMM show. I thought that was pretty cool although unfortunately it didn't fix the problem.

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#2806479 - 09/27/16 06:41 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Markyboard]
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I know it's got a lot better shot of happening note with the viscount involved. But we've seen pictures, videos, web sites, of the soon to be released Legend for a long time now. I'm going to say, "i'll believe it when I see it" until this thing is actually in stock at a US dealer.
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#2814135 - 11/07/16 06:46 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Nice summary:

http://viscountorgans.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/KeyB-Legend-leaflet.pdf

- Internal Power supply
- 11pin out
- FX send/return
- Aux in
- Pedal direct out
- 18kg (Live)
- 1899 Euros (live)

-> yummy !!!
;-)
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#2814178 - 11/07/16 09:30 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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my favorite sounding organ. The leslie is outstanding.
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#2814280 - 11/07/16 05:23 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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My favorite drawbar clone was a Viscount..Purchased it used in late eighties. Only got rid of it because I hooked up with a band who dropped tuned, cappoed up, played chords sideways, changed keys every week, and the organ (and organist) had no transpose ability...

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#2814287 - 11/07/16 06:17 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G

Nice summary:

http://viscountorgans.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/KeyB-Legend-leaflet.pdf

- Internal Power supply
- 11pin out
- FX send/return
- Aux in
- Pedal direct out
- 18kg (Live)
- 1899 Euros (live)

-> yummy !!!
;-)



My brother,

Where did you find this super secret leaflet that has not been printed or published on their website?

site:viscountorgans.net Key B

site:viscountinstruments.com Key B

Did someone un-officially leak it on their forums?
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#2814291 - 11/07/16 06:55 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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39 lbs. About the same weight as Mojo.
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#2814334 - 11/08/16 04:45 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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Is there any price known for the Legend (not Live)?
Going by what I've heard in the demos so far I really love the sound.

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#2814335 - 11/08/16 04:48 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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AFAIK: Legend 2599 Euros
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#2815145 - 11/12/16 04:49 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G

AFAIK: Legend 2599 Euros

Thanks for the reply.
I'm still undecided which one I should get, the Legend means 700 Euros more than the Live, and I'm also curious how the keybed feels and how it responds.

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#2815162 - 11/12/16 06:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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39 Lbs is for the Live.
The weight for the Legend was posted at one point online - but I can't find the link now. I think it's about 48 lbs. Not bad for 2 manuals and the reverse keys.
Pat Bianchi continues to use his Live (the original model) around town here in NYC and it sounds wonderful.
I couldn't wait for this any longer, so I ordered an XK-5. it's out, but the pedals are not out yet, maybe next week. I also have an original numa. I'll compare them. Hopefully will have this done by December.

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#2815177 - 11/12/16 08:15 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: JohnnyB3]
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According to the Viscount leaflet the weight for the Legend is 46,29 lbs, or 21 kg.
That's not bad indeed.

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#2815195 - 11/12/16 10:20 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John64]
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I wonder if this is a straight up distribution agreement or another licensing agreement with KeyB. If it is a technology licensing agreement then good luck.


Edited by CEB (11/12/16 10:22 AM)

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#2849776 - 04/16/17 06:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
I wonder if this is a straight up distribution agreement or another licensing agreement with KeyB. If it is a technology licensing agreement then good luck.




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#2849833 - 04/16/17 12:48 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Six-string-man]
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#2849876 - 04/16/17 03:35 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jamienewman]
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I am very quickly losing interest in the Viscount Legend Live. I had a great preorder opportunity to buy in and my common sense told me to wait and see how this clone was really playing out.

At the time they said they would be here in March, then it was April, then last I heard there were production problems. Maybe May.... maybe not.
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#2849881 - 04/16/17 04:43 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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#2849892 - 04/16/17 06:07 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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As the local endorsee and now distributor for Australia, I can confirm these are shipping in May.
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#2849906 - 04/16/17 07:18 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: dazzjazz]
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Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
As the local endorsee and now distributor for Australia, I can confirm these are shipping in May.

Hey Dazz let us know when you have a Live I can check out in the flesh. I've finally got the Mojo dialed in but I'm very interested in seeing how the Live compares.
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#2850808 - 04/21/17 08:40 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: John Tweed]
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Parade starting soon, will be led by Elvio himself through the streets of Italy to the airport!

http://www.b3guys.com/Viscount+Legend+Organ.html/product_id/569


Edited by Jg53 (04/21/17 08:52 AM)

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#2850817 - 04/21/17 09:05 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Jg53]
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Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas
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#2850830 - 04/21/17 11:11 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By: cgiles
Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas


Here's a reply from Pat Bianchi to me when I asked the same question:

"They are 2 different organs for sure. I like how the Legend cuts sonically, also the overall attack of the instrument is much better. Really fast response."
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#2850857 - 04/21/17 12:53 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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Thanks. A super fast attack suits my playing style. I'm seriously considering taking the plunge but I've got to get rid of SOMEthing first; four organs may be a tad overkill (for some smile ). I also want to replace my PK7a with the new pedalboard (I never got comfortable with straight pedals).

chas


Edited by cgiles (04/21/17 12:57 PM)
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#2850918 - 04/21/17 06:14 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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check out b3 guys website , they've got a picture of a truck
loaded with packed up legends ready to be shipped out , expected to arrive on the 10th of may

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#2851013 - 04/22/17 09:00 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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As it turns out, I'm officially the first to preorder the KeyB from Kraft. I'm thinking once these get "out", they will have trouble keeping up with demand. Worst case, if I don't like it, I can drive it back to them for a refund. I ordered the "Live" version. It will be perfect for a new project I'm working on.
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#2851038 - 04/22/17 12:00 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Thanks for the heads up that Kraft will have these.

This will be the first time that Key B has made it to a major distributor with a return policy.

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#2851049 - 04/22/17 12:59 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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Not bad at all the new legend Live ! Actually pretty good !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgSsbfTC3s
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#2851152 - 04/23/17 04:19 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By: cgiles
Dazz, how much of an improvement in sound is the Legend over the Mk111. HOW is it better? I'm pretty happy with my Mk111 but would consider a Legend if the sound was (in the opinion of a long-time Mk111 owner - YOU) significantly better (more authentic?) and because of the prospect of better long-range product support.

chas


I owned the KeyBDuo and I tested the Legend in november (see my videos).
they are DEFINITELY different, for the keyclick, the percussion and expecially for the Leslie sim and saturation (the interaction between overdrive and expression pedal is great!).
I'm not only talking about rock sound (that is great on the Legend) but in general, with just a little saturation, the response of internal leslie sim is more realistic.

also, the LEGEND has an analog audio IN, for your real hammond (or a guitar, or whatever), if you wanto to record at home with the great leslie simulation and overdrive and reverb of the legend or just practice with headphones.

also, the LEGEND has a send-return input for additional effects pedals (for example, a tube overdrive - but you should not need one laugh ) and it will work BEFORE leslie simulation...

and, the LEGEND (the complete one, with presets octave) weight about 10 kgs less than the KeyBduo MKII and 5kgs less than the MKIII.

cheers


Edited by KRK (04/23/17 04:19 AM)

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#2851212 - 04/23/17 10:39 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: KRK]
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I listened to the Marsico audio clip listed above.

This is what I have been talking about on "another" thread. The organ is at first demonstrated with NO leslie sim on.

Not only more possible to hear what is really going on with percussion , CV and such but it gives us something to compare the basic Hammond tone with without being altered by a sim.

The leslie sim effect on this recording is gorgeous. And with or without the sim this organ has the potential to fool me on a recording if I did not know it was a clone.

I've been listening through headphones and it all sounds accurate. I don't want to get into comparisons and knock someone else's stuff, or talk about what has balls and what doesn't....

The last clone I bought was a Numa, largely because I trusted the ear of the designers...Elvio in conjunction with Joey D.

Is it possible that the bar has been raised?

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#2851217 - 04/23/17 11:14 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
I listened to the Marsico audio clip listed above.

This is what I have been talking about on "another" thread. The organ is at first demonstrated with NO leslie sim on.


Actually the sim IS on. The rotors are in stop mode, which is what almost all jazz players use. You can see the speed switch is in the middle (stop) position.

At 1:00 he flips the speed switch left, which is Chorale.

The great thing about stop is that it makes the CV shine, as LX and others have pointed out. It's harder to evaluate CV in Chorale or Fast.


Edited by mate stubb (04/23/17 11:15 AM)
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#2851222 - 04/23/17 11:50 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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I stand corrected if the sim is on.

On the Numa you definitely did not want the sim on brake. Brake affected the tone, so you had to turn the sim off.

On this it might not affect the tone of the organ...it doesn't seem to.

The clip in question is from jbolazzi's post above.

By the way it is the Live... not the Legend. It doesn't seem to lack much if any sound wise.

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#2851223 - 04/23/17 12:04 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
I stand corrected if the sim is on.

On the Numa you definitely did not want the sim on brake. Brake affected the tone, so you had to turn the sim off.


Leslie sims on stop can leave the virtual rotor in a random position, or always stop with the rotor in front. The tone is affected, sometimes drastically, if the rotor stops in a random position. This can be considered a drawback in spite of it being accurate to a real leslie. That is why many players prefer it to always stop in front.

This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.
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#2851234 - 04/23/17 01:09 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: mate stubb]
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This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.


Which indicates he reach inside the back of the cabinet and moves the horn pointing towards him effectively leaving the horn stopped in the BACK position..... cool

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#2851238 - 04/23/17 01:27 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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Originally Posted By: Kurt W
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
This is a problem on a real leslie too BTW. I've seen many an organ player reach inside the cabinet and move the horn back to front position.


Which indicates he reach inside the back of the cabinet and moves the horn pointing towards him effectively leaving the horn stopped in the BACK position..... cool


laugh

I was wondering how they know the back of the horn from the front but I guess easy enough to stick gum on one side...or maybe use your ears?

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#2853148 - 05/02/17 08:32 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Markyboard]
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#2853361 - 05/03/17 06:11 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: KRK]
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Originally Posted By: KRK


Wow, nice!
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#2853763 - 05/05/17 12:48 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: MorayM]
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hmmm.

b3guys has a page on a single manual Legend Solo, expected September...

http://www.b3guys.com/Viscount+Legend+Solo+Organ.html/product_id/585

First I've heard of it. Forgive me if already discussed.
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#2853765 - 05/05/17 12:53 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Barryjam]
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At NAMM 2017, when I spoke with Elvio he advised a single-manual version would be coming soon. Really glad to hear of some follow-up info here. thu
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#2853854 - 05/06/17 04:55 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jbolazzi]
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Originally Posted By: jbolazzi
Not bad at all the new legend Live ! Actually pretty good !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgSsbfTC3s

Outstanding! Not only does it sound awesome, but the price and weight are reasonable. Kudos to Alberto for his great playing and demo. I hope for an opportunity to play one soon.
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#2855657 - 05/16/17 02:15 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Al Quinn]
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I decided to order the Legend Live after listening to these video. The toy was delivered on timeand wanted to share my first impressions on the Legend Live.
-The Legend is rather well built. The materials are well chosen and clearly a compromise was made in order to save weight and to control the manufacturing costs. But the overall quality versus lightness is well balanced to my mind.. from the aesthetic side it is a pretty nice mix of tradition and vintage... Matter of taste!

-The interface is very well studied, immediately feeling very comfortable compared to my classic Hammond B3.

-The sound of the clone is quite realistic (of course a suitable amplifier must be used for a good bass response)

-The Leslie effect is also realistic

-What impressed me the most on this instrument are the many options available to optimize the sound:

There are 6 knobs, easily accessible, which makes a huge difference on the sound output compared to the other clones I have used so far (but even compared to the original Hammond B3):

For example:

1. setting the key click level

2. adjusting the Decay

3. Adjusting the Percussion volume

4. Setting the overdrive

5. Adding Crosstalk signal(typical background noise of the B3)

6. Adjusting the sustain and the volume of the pedal drawbar that can be layered with the lower keyboard bass sound. It simulate the use of the pedal and accentuate the bass output.

My conclusion: For an Hammond Clone it is very convincing. It offers the necessary settings to simulate the original sound. Having the chance to own a B3 and a Leslie, I was able to test and compare the sounds with the original one, and I greatly appreciated in particular the value of the "percussion or Crosstalk setting".

The Legend is very nice for LIVE use, the instrument offers a range of settings easily accessible, not forgetting an EQ (for bass/medium/high) which can be useful to adapt to the acoustic conditions of a concert hall.
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#2856032 - 05/18/17 04:43 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: jbolazzi]
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I too just received the Legend live. It is replacing a Crumar Mojo, which was also a stellar-sounding instrument, so this thing had a high bar to reach.

On most accounts, it is phenomenal. The raw tone is great - slightly better than the Mojo. The percussion and C/V are also standouts. The key click is very well done, but here is give the slight edge to the Mojo. The drive is very well done and responds as it should. And the swell pedal response - that is, how the physical movements correlate with the changes in volume - feels very authentic to me, closer to a real Hammond than the Mojo.

Here's my one area of disappointment - the key stiffness. I was spoiled by the Mojo's adjusted Fatar keybed that gave a key dip. Wry close to the real thing. The Legend IS stiffer. It's not egregiously so, and still very playable, but it IS stiffer than the real deal by a considerable margin.

Overall, I think I'm gonna love this thing. The tone is superb, the layout is 100% as it should be, and the build quality is very good. And the keys will loosen a little over time. All in all, VERY happy with it!

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#2856072 - 05/19/17 12:15 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Hi Scottzo, I thought you could be interested with my feedback as well regarding the keybed feeling. I have my B3 (1957) and the Viscount Legend close each other and by comparison I feel the B3 keybed is actually stifer than the Viscount one. I have to precise that the keyfelts on my B3 was replaced recently and the keybed was adjusted by Hammond service few years ago. Therefore the mechanical of my B3 is probably close to original. Even the keybed of the Hammond vintage organ would tend to wear out and will feel lighter over the years. I was always told that B3 organs are all differents, each one having its own characteristic. The Legend is for sure not designed to last 60 years, it doesn't feel like driving a Cadillac Deville, but it is light and for the fun it can be played every day with a different sound flavor ( just need to turn more or less one of these potentiometers ....) Enjoy it.
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#2856111 - 05/19/17 07:13 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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just received the the live this week , i much prefer the tone
through the rock setting but the tremolo is too throbby to my
ears . anyway i found out you can disable the sim on the live
by holding the select and rotary buttons till the the rotary button lights red , then run it into a vent , the live came
alive . you have to check this out

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#2856112 - 05/19/17 07:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
anyway i found out you can disable the sim on the live by holding the select and rotary buttons till the the rotary button lights red , then run it into a vent , the live came alive . you have to check this out
Are you saying that the Vent leslie sim is more realistic than the Viscount?
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#2856115 - 05/19/17 08:10 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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that's the way I am reading it, DD
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#2856157 - 05/19/17 12:16 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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it's not so much the sim itself , the sim is excellent , more
defined than the original keyb sim ( i have a keyb expander
to compare it to ) it's basically what the vent does to the tone.
the tube saturation does wonders for the sound , i guess much like what a 122 would do for it , it also softens the bottom end
a bit . it's got alot of character

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#2856288 - 05/20/17 04:35 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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been tweeking the midrange knob on the live and more or less
got the tone i was looking far in classic mode so yea , it is
working quite nicely without the vent . i think that's mostly difference between classic and rock , oh and fear not , the leslie sim IS excellent

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#2856323 - 05/20/17 08:33 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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The leslie sim on the Viscount is the best I've heard of any sim, including the Vent. There were videos where I could hardly notice the difference between the sim and a real leslie. I do think the C/V is more aggressive than I like but imagine that C2 is probably more to my liking. Great piece of gear.
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#2856331 - 05/20/17 09:52 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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i guess to me , it's a tone thing , listening to it closely
i think the sim itself edges out the vent , but if you turn off the sim altogether the raw tone comes through and it's remarkable .
to my ears the internal sim ,especially the classic ( the better
of the two ) is coloring the sound somewhat in a way that's taking away from raw tone . through a leslie must be a fantasic

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#2856346 - 05/20/17 10:53 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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So I should amend my early review. The keys feel pretty good. After just a few days playing the keyboard, I feel like they're already "breaking in" a little. This is a pretty amazing piece of gear - very, very happy with it!

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#2856357 - 05/20/17 12:00 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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absolutely

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#2856430 - 05/20/17 07:58 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
i guess to me , it's a tone thing , listening to it closely
i think the sim itself edges out the vent , but if you turn off the sim altogether the raw tone comes through and it's remarkable .
to my ears the internal sim ,especially the classic ( the better
of the two ) is coloring the sound somewhat in a way that's taking away from raw tone . through a leslie must be a fantasic
I'm in between sets right now and we're playing outdoors. One set with the Gemini sim and one set with the vent. We played outdoors and I could hear the organ much better. Forget what I said above, the vent does something to the frequency response accentuation that the Gemini sim just doesn't do. The cabinet simulation and 3-D airiness just outshine the gemini sim. Looks like I'll be using the Vent going forward with the Gemini.
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#2856749 - 05/22/17 06:49 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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the more i play around with it , as far as vent vs. legend sim,
they're both good options . with the classic , rock, the 3 organ models and a little midrange tweaking you have a good range of
tone to work with .i can see the 3 models being very useful .
also , it transmits velocity pretty good , much like the numa ,
as i remember it .

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#2856751 - 05/22/17 07:18 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Originally Posted By: bill bosco
it transmits velocity pretty good


???? Confused. Please explain.

chas
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#2856769 - 05/23/17 03:34 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: cgiles]
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for triggering an external midi instrument , in mute mode it
sends velocity

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#2856778 - 05/23/17 05:40 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Not possible to simultanously send midi velocity as well as have sound from the organ? Will it send midi from both manuals? Possible to mute the manuals independently? Would be nice to have some more details about the Visount as a Controller of modules or softsynths.

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#2856877 - 05/23/17 03:26 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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both manuals can be muted independently , the upper being channel 1 and the lower , channel 2 . the organ will sound along with an
external instrument , unfortunately it only transmits velocity when muted . there's a legend manual available at viscount's
website

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#2856896 - 05/23/17 05:31 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
...the vent does something to the frequency response accentuation that the Gemini sim just doesn't do. The cabinet simulation and 3-D airiness just outshine the gemini sim. Looks like I'll be using the Vent going forward with the Gemini.


Exactly my comment last year when I compared the Burn to the Vent using my SK1. The Vent has some kind of EQ magic going on with the higher freq's. It hasn't been confirmed but most likely the sim in the Mojo/Gemini is basically the Burn. Good but the Vent is still better.

Bob

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#2856917 - 05/23/17 07:27 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: bill bosco]
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Thank you for the details

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#2856992 - Yesterday at 08:57 AM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Kurt W]
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I just wanted to share, in case anyone else is feeling like the tone isn't coming through as full-bodied as you would hope: today I ran the Legend live through my normal gigging speaker setup - two powered PA speakers (a 12" and a 10", both made by Alto, stacked with the 12" on the bottom and the 10" on top, offset by about 60 degrees in where they're pointing) - for the first time. Prior to this I was just using my home powered monitor speakers and a small sub for bass. The thing just came alive in a big way! Speakers always make a difference, but I feel like the difference it made for the Legend is a lot more noticeable than it has been for past clones I've owned (Mojo, XK1c, XK3). It sounded absolutely gorgeous - even across the whole board, fantastic low end and a nice shimmering high drawbar sound. What really made the difference, I think, is having it run through speakers that can really handle the low frequencies without struggling. The low tones are nice and full, mellow and round. Before, they were overly "punchy" and definitely straining to fully come through.

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#2857079 - Yesterday at 04:41 PM Re: viscount by KeyB Organ [Re: Scottzo]
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Hi all,

Just wanted to share my inital experience with the Viscount Key B Legend and Legend Live.

To start with, I need to emphasise that I am a home player only, aged in my early sixties. I have played as a hobby for many years but don't have either the confidence or ability to earn a living from my hobby. I live in London in the U.K. Previous tonewheel type keyboards that I have owned were a Cavendish portable, a Nord C1, and a Numa 2 organ.

I have had a deposit on the new Viscount Key B Live since last August/September, so was really pleased to head up to Northampton to the U.K. distributor to try both the new organs out.
To be totally honest, I was extremely disappointed. Not with the sound or the playing experience which are both first class. It's the poor build quality that really surprised me.

I sat down at the larger of the two organs (Legend) and first noticed the three 'rocker' type switches on the top left of the keyboards. The third one actually leaned over to one side rather than sitting upright. I tried it out and it did work, but it looked really strange leaning to one side. I then noticed a strip of metal between the two keyboards. this metal (tubing) was screwed down on the left and right sides. In the centre it was very flexible and you could push it right in. A slightly thicker tubing would make it less flexible and more sturdy. I also noticed that every single drawbar plastic end (the bit you hold to pull it in or out) had bits of rough plastic attached to them which had not been cleaned off (obviously where they were connected to the mould).
The lack of attention to detail with the drawbars and the poor quality materials used left me a little concerned with the build quality of the organ. Fortunately the sound quality (tone), the leslie sim and the beautiful keyboard feel (thank you Fatar) more than made up for the other issues.
As a home player only I would place the organ in one position and that's where it would stay, whereas I would have serious concerns if I was a gigging musician as to wether the organ could stand up to the rigours of continual moving, setting up and dismantling.

I genuinely do not want to put anybody off buying a Viscount Key B organ, but please try and get hands on before making a purchase. I honestly think it's the best clone available but wanted to share my intial views with you all.

My previous clone was a single keyboard Numa 2 organ which quite frankly was built like a tank. The Viscount Key B's I saw today were not in the same league as the Numa 2 as far as build quality goes.

I may be guilty of having high expectations of the Key B Legend organs particularly as I expected to have had mine over eight months ago, with delay after delay only now are they becoming available to purchase.

Chris

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