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#2801405 - 09/03/16 09:45 AM Roland System-8
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Leaked via Sam Ash catalog. Not a reliable source. Being scrutinized at Gearslutz. But I'm pretty confident there is an imminent System-8.
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#2801411 - 09/03/16 10:05 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Wow - Pretty pricey if that's accurate.

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#2801413 - 09/03/16 10:08 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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I'd say so too for an 8 note poly VA - even if they've lots of plugouts lined up for it. The DM12 is looking more interesting to me with each passing day. wink
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#2801415 - 09/03/16 10:12 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Oh Gee. More plastic shit.

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#2801417 - 09/03/16 10:17 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Oh Gee. More plastic shit.


The humans excel at plastic shit. wink
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#2801419 - 09/03/16 10:22 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Meh.

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#2801420 - 09/03/16 10:23 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Marketing 101, borrowed from the computer world but applies here for the most part. When bringing a new product into a crowded marketplace it needs to be either cheaper, better or faster. Faster doesn't really apply to MI, but the first certainly do.

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#2801428 - 09/03/16 10:36 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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The System-1 and 1M are already over priced at $500-600 imho. You can get a King Korg or a Sledge for about a grand. So where do they price a System-8? $800-900 me thinks. <shrug>
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#2801434 - 09/03/16 11:05 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Impossible to say if it's overpriced without hearing what it sounds like (and seeing what it feels like).
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#2801457 - 09/03/16 12:29 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Roland's System 1 is VA, but if this particular item incorporates analog from the JD series ... one could see it being appropriately priced.

It beats me how the heck anyone competes with a 12 voice real analog at $1000.
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#2801466 - 09/03/16 01:04 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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As a diehard Roland nerd, I'm intrigued by this. But at $1500 that's about as far as I'm gonna go with it.

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#2801467 - 09/03/16 01:07 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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Three Osc.





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#2801589 - 09/04/16 07:42 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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This is really cool - I have the System 1 and I really love the sound-engine and all the knobs and buttons.

However, the picture of the Sam Ash ad shows the price $1499 near the keyboard. Yikes! That's close to the JD-Xa pricing.

I figured this new System 8 would be a replacement for the Gaia?

I would not be interested at that price, otherwise I would already own a JD-Xa. But, if Roland can give us a full sized keyboard with a ACB SN-synth engine in it for around $1000 I would be in.
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#2801591 - 09/04/16 08:24 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: iluvchiclets]
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I don't think there's extensive debate on Roland's ACB engine sounding like crap, I have to admit it sounds pretty good even at the sample rate they are running it at. The only issue I have with it is their desire to control polyphony. There's no reason it has to be limited to 4 or 8 voices. The only reasons I can think of for them to limit polyphony are:

A) They don't want to offer too capable a synth under $500 or even under $1k. But if the System-8 actually turns out to be $1499 - that's a bit of a rip IMHO, especially for a VA. The King Korg is a 24 voice VA for $999 (even with their added cost of including a vacuum tube stage - gimmicky or not).

B) They are maximizing profits by using really low end processors which can only handle limited polyphony at 44.1k.

C. They don't want to undercut their Jupiter-80 or whatever price point they intend to set for a future high poly VA.

There better be a heck of a lot of plug out models included at $1499.


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#2801592 - 09/04/16 08:25 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: iluvchiclets]
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Originally Posted By: iluvchiclets
But, if Roland can give us a full sized keyboard with a ACB SN-synth engine in it for around $1000 I would be in.


They probably could do that even if there wasn't much profit in the keyboard it itself, as they make bookoo bucks off the plug outs, which go for $150-$200. if you bought every plug-out for the System-1 , you would be in another $850 on top of the $500-$600 you spent on the hardware.

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#2801622 - 09/04/16 12:12 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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The blogger over at Synth Anatomy had these observations:

"Pretty sure, System 8 will have three oscillators or 2 oscillators + 1 sub oscillator. This is already an upgrade from the System 1 Synthesizer. There are also the section for filter and amp. I can't find any information on the picture what kind of filters this time, this new synth will have. For me, there will be more some more filters than in System 1 because you have in the filter section also a little screen where you can switch the variation. Also interesting to see is the fact that Velocity can be activated on different places like on the filter. For this, the developers of Roland have redone the entire keyboard and build finally a much better keyboard in this Synthesizers. Some rumours speak about the same keyboard as the JD-XA.

In the middle of the System 8, I can spot 4 different engines. On the left you have the standard System 8 engine and also three slots with Plug-Outs. Now, the question is: Can we activated them all together to combine different plug-outs? Or maybe only one. For me, a next improvement is the on the right side. There is finally a step sequencer included. A lot of users ask Roland to bring a step sequencer to the System 1 but now you can find it in the System 8.

There are also significant changes in the Mod-Wheel department. In my observation, they killed the Mod-Wheel from System 1 and replace it. Now it seems that they use more a joystick Mod-Wheel. "



Busch.


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#2801629 - 09/04/16 01:03 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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Dang I love looking at that picture!
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#2801744 - 09/05/16 09:16 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: iluvchiclets]
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That looks gorgeous! I see a vocoder button as well, which makes sense given the leaked VP-03. I would be very surprised if it didn't come with the JP/JX/JU models too. I see a Performance and Lower/Upper buttons too, I wonder if it allows layers two different plug outs?

Next question, what does "System 8" mode sound like?
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#2802722 - 09/08/16 09:14 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: MorayM]
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It's a TIF so it won't show up. Click instead.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MY1UKtZjsn4/V.../s1600/Jup.tiff

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#2802749 - 09/08/16 10:22 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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In the past Roland was notorious for overstating polyphony. I had the SH-32 for a while which was supposed to play 32 parts. A patch with 2 osc's was considered 2 parts. You could layer 4 parts, meaning a single layered note was 8 parts. When doing this, I could play a 4 note chord (4 x 8 = 32) and listen to parts come in one at a time over a 3 second span as the processor struggled to crunch all the numbers necessary to play 32 parts.

I much prefer that they give us a real number, even if it is only 8, than overstate usable polyphony like they did with the SH-32 and other devices.
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#2802801 - 09/08/16 12:41 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
It's a TIF so it won't show up. Click instead.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MY1UKtZjsn4/V.../s1600/Jup.tiff

Busch.

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#2802816 - 09/08/16 01:28 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
It's a TIF so it won't show up. Click instead.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MY1UKtZjsn4/V.../s1600/Jup.tiff

Busch.

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Yeah I second that
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#2802826 - 09/08/16 01:51 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RABid]
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I much prefer that they give us a real number, even if it is only 8, than overstate usable polyphony like they did with the SH-32 and other devices.


Didn't the original V-Synth have extremely limited polyphony? I seem to recall several gripes about that... quite disappointing.
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#2802841 - 09/08/16 03:28 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Synthoid]
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Didn't the original V-Synth have extremely limited polyphony? I seem to recall several gripes about that... quite disappointing.


Yeah. I had one. It was listed as 24 voices, but if you started loading it up with supersaws and COSMs it would drop to as few as 5... with latency issues. If you hit a block 5 note chord, it would sound like it was coming from the next room. This was a monotimbral synth too - no layers.

So let's see how the System 8 does.

Another test for me will be to hit a raw sawtooth C6, modulate it with a sine wave LFO, and listen for birdies. This is not what I call much of a stress test at all, but every Roland VA I've ever used has revealed aliasing with this simple test. On the V-Synth, it could be quite obvious (and annoying) when playing high register leads and applying thick vibrato. I have not tried any of Roland's Boutiques, but there was a post in another forum complaining about aliasing issues with a JP-08... so we'll see.

It's been almost 20 years since the JP-8000. Hopefully Roland has solved it's recurring VA aliasing issue with the System 8.

I just counted the knobs and sliders: 76! That's one knob per function almost to a fault, and beats the slider festooned JD-800 by quite a bit. And that brings up another issue: The JD-800 hardware did not age well. I will be paying close attention to the quality and feel of the System 8's front panel controls.

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#2802924 - 09/09/16 01:05 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5Wqy1UQ7Cqk

Glorious Roland Synth sound heritage. Seems like Roland nailed it this time - except for the missing wheels, oh no!

Anyway, at a price tag of 1500 bucks I'm sold.

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#2802944 - 09/09/16 05:07 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: TomKittel]
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Having watched the video all the way through I'm cautiously optimistic. Yes, it's digital but it sounds plenty nice enough so far. Obviously I'll wait until someone's done the standard aliasing checks on it (pet peeve: why when demonstrating the filter sweep do demoers insist on doing it by hand? Hook it up to an EG on full depth, then you get a nice steady sweep) but it sounds like a Roland polysynth and that counts for a lot for me. Maybe it's because subconsciously I miss my JP-8000 but this thing screams "PLAY ME" far more than the Deep Mind does.
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#2802947 - 09/09/16 05:21 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: MorayM]
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Is it mini-keys?
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#2802948 - 09/09/16 05:22 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: dazzjazz]
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Is it mini-keys?

Doesn't look like it to me.
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#2802956 - 09/09/16 05:53 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: MorayM]
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If you click the embedded link in the video to take you to the product description page on sweetwaters site, it ain't there
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#2802957 - 09/09/16 06:01 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: MorayM]
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Nice demo, looks like a good piece of gear.
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#2802960 - 09/09/16 06:16 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DanL]
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Aftertouch?
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#2802961 - 09/09/16 06:17 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DanL]
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The keys do look slightly smallish. Perhaps it's just the video angle????

Just listening on my phone, it sounds really nice. Promising.

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#2802964 - 09/09/16 06:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Aftertouch?


Question for me also. Also the keybed.

Really nice sounding and giggable to me. Lots of Roland pads, brass and strings in there. There is a nod to the Jupiter 8 with the four performance sliders. Lots of sounds reminiscent of JP8000, Super Jupiter and JD800.

For Sven ... 8 voices? <grumble> taz smile

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#2802965 - 09/09/16 06:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ABECK]
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The keys do look slightly smallish. Perhaps it's just the video angle????

Just listening on my phone, it sounds really nice. Promising.


You are right. It looks like those sub standard keys they use on the cheap Junos and the FA-06.

The thing that jumped out to me in the demo was Daniel demoed a VA synth for over 30 minutes and never showed the first thing I check on any VA. He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.

PS- And the reverbs sound like a Gaia which isn't very good.


Edited by CEB (09/09/16 06:34 AM)

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#2802967 - 09/09/16 06:39 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.


Check out 5.04

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#2802975 - 09/09/16 07:03 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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It looks like those sub standard keys they use on the cheap Junos and the FA-06.

For some kinds of playing, I don't think that's terrible. Same as I don't like the Korg Kross/Krome 61 action, but don't mind the same action on the KingKorg, because the limitations of the action don't come into play so much on the kinds of sounds I'd use that board for.
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#2802979 - 09/09/16 07:15 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.


Check out 5.04


Bummer they switched the video to private. I remember Daniel walking through all the oscillator waves forms but not taking triangle and sines to the highest registers, just saws.


Edited by CEB (09/09/16 09:04 AM)

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#2803007 - 09/09/16 08:46 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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PS- And the reverbs sound like a Gaia which isn't very good.


I thought the overall synth sounds really nice with all that complexity in the waveforms, but the reverbs sound cheap. I keep coming back to the DM 12 with those much higher quality FXs (plus FX modulation). Really remarkable given the price.

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#2803028 - 09/09/16 09:37 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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and now the utube link is private
did they jump the gun?
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#2803034 - 09/09/16 10:01 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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For Sven ... 8 voices? <grumble> taz smile


The remnants of the Sweetwater site that they didn't take down this morning:

Sweetwater once again get the scoop on some of the new Roland gear. We've been excited to hear about the new AIRA System 8, the new ACB 8 voice virtual analog with a whopping 3 Osc (3rd is geared to be more of a multi wave sub).

Well, that does it for me on this one frown

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#2803038 - 09/09/16 10:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: HAM&EGZ]
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and now the utube link is private
did they jump the gun?
And they took off everything but the main page from http://tfr.roland.com.
Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Another test for me will be to hit a raw sawtooth C6, modulate it with a sine wave LFO, and listen for birdies. This is not what I call much of a stress test at all, but every Roland VA I've ever used has revealed aliasing with this simple test. On the V-Synth, it could be quite obvious (and annoying) when playing high register leads and applying thick vibrato. I have not tried any of Roland's Boutiques, but there was a post in another forum complaining about aliasing issues with a JP-08... so we'll see.
Another very telling test is when you set a quite long portamento time and then do a full glide from the lowest to the highest note. Romplers like my JUNO-G up to the Jupiter/FA PCM Synth section simply stop the glide at 2 octaves above the source note in order to hide the aliasing that would appear. The SuperNatural Synth engine is still mainly sample based but plays a trick: the moment you hit the upper note, it stops the current sample and starts the high sample at that low pitch. Which means the beginning of the glide sounds nothing like the source note. On the System-8 there is enough keys to finally do the same test with the ACB engine.
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It's been almost 20 years since the JP-8000. Hopefully Roland has solved it's recurring VA aliasing issue with the System 8.
When I first saw that low resolution picture of the System-8 I was immediately reminded of the JP-8000. I think it looks very similar.
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#2803094 - 09/09/16 02:18 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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Per messaging that was on Roland's 9/09 website, product listings will be visible as of 10pm Eastern time tonight.

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#2803100 - 09/09/16 02:44 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: felix]
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I thought some of the sounds were great but honestly the guy looked like he was having a bit of a hard time with the smaller keys. I'm not going to spend $1500 on a mini keyboard.



Edited by aronnelson (09/09/16 02:44 PM)
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#2803132 - 09/09/16 06:10 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Bummer they switched the video to private. I remember Daniel walking through all the oscillator waves forms but not taking triangle and sines to the highest registers, just saws.


True, they were saws. True that triangles and sines make it easier to hear the munchkins. He didn't spend too long at high pitches either.

Still for me (as I hoped it might be for you) it was a convincing demonstration of clear highs: enough to completely distinguish this synth from Gaia, SH32, V-Synth and the JP synths on aliasing. We still haven't seen what fast LFOs will do to the oscillators, and I agree that some of the effects seem pretty entry level.

Looking forward to hearing more....

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#2803139 - 09/09/16 07:30 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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#2803141 - 09/09/16 07:49 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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Good overview here. Full-size keys. They expect street price to be $1195 (first time I've heard that).

https://ask.audio/articles/roland-system-8-synthesizer-full-details-revealed

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#2803144 - 09/09/16 08:10 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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$1195 would make more sense.

Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.
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#2803151 - 09/09/16 08:33 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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so far the usual online major retailers are showing for $1499.
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#2803162 - 09/09/16 10:03 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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That detailed Sweetwater video is back ...

also Scott Tibbs give us an overview ...


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#2803169 - 09/10/16 12:26 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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In depth review from Kosmic Sounds:

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#2803176 - 09/10/16 04:42 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.
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#2803177 - 09/10/16 05:54 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.


I have a JP-08 and if anything it makes me want something that can play more than 2 notes at a time.
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#2803179 - 09/10/16 06:42 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RABid]
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Okay, I've checked a few videos, and I think the system 8 sounds pretty unique, in a good way.
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#2803185 - 09/10/16 07:13 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: dazzjazz]
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Ok, I think we all remember a few generations back and can see the evolving business plans here...

Remember when Roland hardware came with an internal soundset and they left room to add samples via expansion ROMs... JV cards and SRX cards? And then memory got cheap and then they backed away from this scheme and loaded up the FA-08/06 and Jupiter-80/50 with tons of stuff, no need for expansion cards?

Now Yamaha was doing similar at the time with PLG-150 boards. Although when you bought a AN, DX or VL board you were getting additional processing power that ran additional synthesis engines as opposed to a ROM - they also had their own polyphony. Then came the Motif XS, XF and Montage lines that were packed with sounds on ROM or most recently flash memory. And while they opened their keyboards up to additional samples via additional samples, user samples, third party samples - they also backed away from offering actual synthesis engines (the Montage breaking that pattern with an 8 operator DX engine included).

All of the above were available in various sizes, user choice of action, better or less build quality/weight/price - we had some choices.

Ok, so here we are at the end of 2016. Roland has priced this System-8 at $1499 in one size fits all (no choice in action), hardware capable of a paltry 8 note poly (even though you can layer engines). There's no hardware limitation to having 4 synthesis engines onboard - it comes with 3 (better than 1 - I was certain they were going to charge for the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts).

Meanwhile we have Nord saying here's our growing library - pick and use what you like (but we'll be stingy on memory). And Korg offering the kitchen sink - here's the lot running on an Atom processor - enjoy!).

Interesting decisions all around, past and present.
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#2803187 - 09/10/16 07:34 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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According to roland.com it has no aftertouch. WTF? The JD-XA has it.
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#2803191 - 09/10/16 07:46 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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Do you have to own the System hardware to purchase and use the VST/AUs on your computer? Are the computer based software emulations limited by the same polyphony restrictions as the System hardware? Can you run the software emulations at a higher sample rate in your DAW project than the limitation on the hardware? Is the hardware a copy protection dongle - must be attached to computer when using the software emulation running on your computer?
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#2803192 - 09/10/16 07:48 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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$1500. Pfft! Pony up an extra $200-300 and get some real hardware. I would rather have the JP-50 than this key action if it is what I think it is. It is some what playable but it sucks.


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#2803193 - 09/10/16 07:50 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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#2803201 - 09/10/16 08:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I've looked at a number of vids I found on YT, and I like it, thought it's maybe a bit expensive. OTOH, the digital distortion tunings are accurate in a number of ways (not all ways) and seem to evade the usual (un-nice) munch and repetitive garbage that makes a normal acoustic situation sound horrible. Those effects appear to allow serious additional processing outside of the ever the same digi effect types that abound (for not much reason to me).

Looks like a responsive instrument with some good sounds in it, even responding to an extend like an analog polyphonic. Of course, it isn't a polyphonic Pro 2, that would be more expensive, wouldn't it ?

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#2803212 - 09/10/16 09:05 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.

That's an interesting point. Apparently we will now have a reasonable approximation of the Jupiter-8, that is, with more polyphony and reasonably-sized keys than the JP-08. I do wish they went full monty and had the keybed of the Jupiter-80 and 61 keys. It is, nonetheless, very cool....perhaps in a 1980s sort of way....to see this synth (at least the Jupiter-8 component) joining the currently available Prophet-6 and OB-6 selections.
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#2803215 - 09/10/16 09:18 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Moonglow]
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#2803250 - 09/10/16 11:23 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Scott Tibbs apparently doesn't have issues playing that keybed.

S8 sounds great, supports multiple plug outs, has performance mode and tons of real time controls for an affordable price. Take my money!

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#2803263 - 09/10/16 01:10 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Devnor]
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#2803306 - 09/10/16 06:22 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Ok, I think we all remember a few generations back and can see the evolving business plans here...

Remember when Roland hardware came with an internal soundset and they left room to add samples via expansion ROMs... JV cards and SRX cards? And then memory got cheap and then they backed away from this scheme and loaded up the FA-08/06 and Jupiter-80/50 with tons of stuff, no need for expansion cards?

Nah. The Jupiter 80/50 have relatively few sounds in them, and none of the SRX sounds; they were all about the SuperNatural modeling. The FA 08/06 have mostly the same sounds as the 15+ year old XV-5080, plus a subset of the newer SuperNatural sounds. However, you can load 2 cards' worth of SRX sounds in for free via download instead of purchasing pricey ROM cards.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Now Yamaha was doing similar at the time with PLG-150 boards. Although when you bought a AN, DX or VL board you were getting additional processing power that ran additional synthesis engines as opposed to a ROM - they also had their own polyphony. Then came the Motif XS, XF and Montage lines that were packed with sounds on ROM or most recently flash memory. And while they opened their keyboards up to additional samples via additional samples, user samples, third party samples - they also backed away from offering actual synthesis engines (the Montage breaking that pattern with an 8 operator DX engine included).

Yamaha was pretty creative in offering the additional AN/DX/VL engines as optional supplements to the sampling engine. When they went to the Motif XS, they went to sampling-only. No more VA, FM, or modeled sounds, only sampled approximations.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
All of the above were available in various sizes, user choice of action, better or less build quality/weight/price - we had some choices.

Ok, so here we are at the end of 2016. Roland has priced this System-8 at $1499 in one size fits all (no choice in action), hardware capable of a paltry 8 note poly

It's a whole different kind of board, it's VA. There are not many VAs (nor actual analog synths for that matter) that have ever been offered in "various sizes, user choice of action, better or less build quality/weight/price." If you're lucky, you get a keyboard version and a rack/tabletop version.
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#2803309 - 09/10/16 06:40 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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On the various forums and FB Groups, most people seem to be waiting to see how the DM12 pans out. Seems smart.

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#2803311 - 09/10/16 06:59 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Since neither is available yet, we'll have to wait to see how they both pan out. I'm keeping an open mind, but for Roland to be in this conversation they're going to have to really do it this time - recreate the sound of an analog synth in the digital realm with 100% accuracy. Anything less, and the System 8 is going to lose out to the DM12.

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#2803312 - 09/10/16 07:05 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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Since neither is available yet, we'll have to wait to see how they both pan out. I'm keeping an open mind, but for Roland to be in this conversation they're going to have to really do it this time - recreate the sound of an analog synth in the digital realm with 100% accuracy. Anything less, and the System 8 is going to lose out to the DM12.

It's also interesting to consider the contrast between an analog synth that sounds like a Juno 106 vs. a virtual analog that ostensibly will sound an awful lot like your choice of a Juno 106 or a Jupiter 8 (or...)
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#2803353 - 09/11/16 06:04 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I think the real story will come after two or three years when we start to find out how reliable the DM is.
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#2803368 - 09/11/16 07:51 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RABid]
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This is the first "plug-out" to peak my interest but OH the compromises. Stating the obvious here: loads of knobs and sliders with a very fine V/A engine capable of emulating iconic lustful synths of yesteryear, but paired to a toy-like keybed of only 49 levers and NO aftertouch. 'Wonder if it can respond to MIDI AT?

Perhaps a large rack-mountable desktop version might drop in a year or perhaps in time for winter NAMM?
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#2803392 - 09/11/16 09:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: brenner13]
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#2803702 - 09/12/16 01:34 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Nick gets his hands on one.


Kosmic walking through stuff.



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#2803901 - 09/13/16 08:41 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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I'm interested in following the ACB modeling down the road it's on for the next few years. I remember watching a comparison video of the Jupiter 8/ JP08 that Nickndis and they sounded strikingly similar. No two Jupiters sound alike I bet in a blind test a lot of people might have mixed them up or thought they were both analog. Personally I think Roland's current crop of synths are really hideous and I wouldn't want one for myself. But I do give them kudos for the plug out concept and how far their modeling has come. I'm sure a lot of people, myself included are asking, "why won't Roland in the midst of the analog revival give us analog? The timing couldn't be better!" I'm sure they're aware of that, maybe they believe in what they're doing and maybe they want to push through those barriers and show a digital can sound just as good as an analog. Maybe not right now but soon. If they can truly bridge the gap so well that it's undeniable, that would be quite the achievement. There would still be naysayers and I think the charm of analog would still warm a lot of hearts.
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#2803924 - 09/13/16 09:35 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: SteeVtheRipper]
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I'm sure a lot of people, myself included are asking, "why won't Roland in the midst of the analog revival give us analog?

JD-XA and JD-XI
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#2803959 - 09/13/16 11:54 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm sure a lot of people, myself included are asking, "why won't Roland in the midst of the analog revival give us analog?

JD-XA and JD-XI
But of course the question is code for "Damn it, Roland, why aren't you giving us a Jupiter 8 re-issue or a modern re-do, with VCOs and everything?"

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#2803965 - 09/13/16 12:24 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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#2803970 - 09/13/16 12:29 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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The Minimoog reissue is $3500. The Jupiter 8 cost more than twice what a Minimoog cost. I'm not sure how much market there would be for an authentic Jupiter 8 reissue if it were to be priced accordingly...
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#2803995 - 09/13/16 02:12 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: SteeVtheRipper]
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Originally Posted By: SteeVtheRipper
I'm interested in following the ACB modeling down the road it's on for the next few years. I remember watching a comparison video of the Jupiter 8/ JP08 that Nickndis and they sounded strikingly similar.


Is the Roland Boutique series developed by the same team that develops the AIRA products?

Tojo:No, these are two different teams. At Roland, we form development teams on a per-product basis, so this team came together exclusively for the Roland Boutique series. That said, we did get some help from AIRA developers on ACB.


A snip from this article. It's quite possible that the Aria model of a Jupiter 8 will be subtly different than the Boutique model.

Now if the Aria model nails it... game over.

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#2803997 - 09/13/16 02:37 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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Roland's ACB is pretty spot-on. I really had no interest in the Boutiques but I won a JU-06 early in the year so of course I took it. laugh

I have to say it sounds really good. I've been A/Bing sounds with my Minilogue --- The JU-06 stacks up in terms of analog warmth and "roundness" of sounds.

That being said, I think it is a bit overpriced compared to what else you can get in VA & real analog from other manufactures. Doesn't seem to bother people though - they sell really well.

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#2803999 - 09/13/16 02:51 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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I don't know if I'm completely sold on ACB. Seems the original TR-909 sounds best in this compare.



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#2804035 - 09/13/16 07:55 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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I've always wanted the V-Synth XT. I think it's one of the coolest things Roland ever did as far as digitals - the VC cards... the VC-1 in particular, but that's just because I have a thing for the D-50. Anyway, point being... the thing came out in 2005 and offers multiple oscillator technologies, user sampling and COSM filtering - 24 voice poly, lower for heavy stuff and if you're using a rhythm part. Tough to get stoked about a few plugouts on hardware that does 8 note poly, less obviously with layers.
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#2804083 - 09/14/16 05:53 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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IIRC, the V-synths were noticeably more expensive. But also, the instruments are entirely different in what they're trying to do and in the underlying technologies. If you want something that sounds like a Jupiter 8 (or other true analog), presumably, the System 8 will get you a lot closer than the V-synth. I mean, you could say a $3500 Minimoog makes no sense when you can get a Sub 37 for less than half the price, with 2-note polyphony, sequencer/arpeggiator, storable presets. But it's a different instrument with different sound, different interface, different feel, different design goals. Until you get your hands and ears around these things and see how they fit into your workflow and what they sound like, I think it's premature to be critical.
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#2804180 - 09/14/16 01:38 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Rats -- from the first photos I thought it was a full-sized keybed. There are definite improvements, but without full-sized keys and aftertouch, I'll be waiting again... to see what comes next.

I bought a used System-1 early this year and sold it a week later. I love the sound, but hate the ergonomics and the lack of proper software integration from the controller point of view (could never get that aspect to work, defeating the purpose of having a PLUG-OUT vs. simply buying the software-only versions).

The biggest flaws were the VERY hard landing of the "push-button" style keys 9and how tiny they were), and lack of aftertouch (I think maybe not velocity-sensitive either, but I forget at this point). Flakey as hell on Macs, for sure, as an entire weekend of trial and error failed to produce proper controller syncing of the hardware with the PLUG-OUT AU versions when inside a DAW host. Maybe it simply isn't supported.

I guess I'll wait to see if the Jupiter and JX-3P plus Juno get offered as software-only PLUG-OUTS later on.

And maybe the early reports about the keybed and its functionality are not complete.

Just back from my first vacation in 3-1/2 years so haven't had a chance yet to check Roland's site or other related forum discussions (if they exist). Hopefully there's better news on this product than what people are saying here.
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#2804211 - 09/14/16 04:00 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Alternative color mockup by someone.. I like this color scheme better than the release version. smile



Regarding the earlier post, I'm more interested the usability and battery power of the new portable units than accuracy of "vintage" sound reproduction - seems to sound decent enough.


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#2804225 - 09/14/16 05:34 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: GovernorSilver]
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I just don't like the UI at all. Seems like it was designed more to look flashy than to be functional. It's not horrible., I just don't like it. As I was watching videos, it seemed like some of the controls were pretty glitchy - either overly sensitive or just jumpy. I think some of them would be better as sliders than knobs, and some others better as switches. Also seems like a lot of Inc/Dec on the menu...maybe could benefit from a data entry dial or numeric pad? I don't like the Bank/Program buttons all in a row and being the same look/color...seems at a gig it'd be hard to jump to the right bank and program. I understand they did it to server double duty as the step sequencer, but I think even just making them a different color would help.
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#2804239 - 09/14/16 08:19 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: J. Dan]
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#2816666 - 11/21/16 08:56 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: NYKeys]
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Now that these are generally available, maybe it's time to bump the thread. I played one briefly at the GC next to Costco in Clackamas this afternoon. I didn't have much time, but I really wanted to check two things primarily.

First the good news. It appears that Roland has finally solved the aliasing issue in their VAs. I pulled up a saw at the highest foot setting, zeroed out all effects, opened up the filter and the amp ADSR (all very easy to do with this interface) and noodled around the top octave while occasionally applying a very heavy sine wave LFO vibrato. This is the sort of thing that would drive my V-Synth nuts. On the System-8 it was about as clean as you could expect, with maybe just a hint of IM distortion (which could well have been the monitor on a torture test like this).

Now for the bad news: Wow that keybed frown It felt just like a four octave version of the one on the FA-06 next to it. If you're good with that, it'll work for you. As for me, it's borderline unplayable - and a deal breaker at this stage in my life. I'm just getting too old to be fighting a bad action anymore.

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#2816667 - 11/21/16 09:08 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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Now for the bad news: Wow that keybed frown It felt just like a four octave version of the one on the FA-06 next to it. If you're good with that, it'll work for you. As for me, it's borderline unplayable - and a deal breaker.


That perspective amazes me... and I'm not doubting your opinion...

I just picked up a system-8 and one of the first things I noticed was that they did NOT use that horrible FA-06 bed. It feels and plays beautifully IMHO. No aftertouch, which does affect the touch somewhat, but soooooo much better than the crap Roland & Korg have been putting out in their budget synths recently.

weird...

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#2816669 - 11/21/16 09:25 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RedKey]
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The problems I had were things like riffing in keys like Bb and Eb... getting anything close to even velocity responses. Sometimes the black keys weren't even triggering at all. The FA-06 next to it was doing the same thing.

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#2819054 - 12/03/16 10:24 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Bill H.]
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I had kind of forgotten about this product, as I had falsely assumed it was a big brother to System-1 and therefore shared its DNA.

Just now though, I checked the Roland site for VI's (a VERY difficult task, as you have to make a lot of guesswork, and even then, it is hard to be confident one has found all available PLUG-OUT products that can run in a pure software environment without one of their hardware instruments connected), and the Juno and Jupiter are not listed.

What I noticed instead is that the System-8 is ACB based, which someone did specify in the first post, but I forgot that System-1 was AIRA based.

So now I'm thoroughly confused, as System-8 will ship with ACB PLUG-OUTS, but the old PLUG-OUTS will be modified to work with System-8.

https://www.roland.com/global/products/system-8/

So does this mean that ACB actually derives from AIRA and is a newer generation? I thought we had found out earlier that they are two different development teams at Roland, with little (if any) crossover even though much of the intent is the same?

Given this confusion, I am now afraid to spend money on ProMars etc. in case they become abandonware like almost everything Roland has ever made.
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#2822716 - 12/21/16 12:23 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Well, I have test driven the Roland System 8 a couple times.

The reviews here are correct. The limited polyphony and lack of aftertouch make no sense. rolleyes

Personally, the newer style keybed does not compare to that of my DX7IID. The low end thump is not quite the same as my Moog Sub 37.

These things alone should disqualify the System 8 from my consideration. Yet, I still found it to be a fun synth to play.

It was easy to program my bass sounds on the System 8. I could easy dial up some of the comp sounds (clav and saw pad) that I get from DX. Of course, I cannot get the metallic goodness of FM from it.

But, the fact that I could split and layer the System 8 and it sounds good enough to consolidate the Sub 37 and DX sparked my minimalism. laugh

Right now, I'm on the fence about picking up a System 8. I think out-of-the-box I could make it work along with my SV-1.

Roland, if you're listening...come up with a Super JX plug-out and I'll jump onboard. cool
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#2822767 - 12/21/16 03:19 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Hey D'
chew on some TUMS.
It will pass. laugh
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#2822769 - 12/21/16 03:24 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: davedoerfler]
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Hey D'
chew on some TUMS.
It will pass. laugh

Yeah Dave, I'm hoping it will be that simple. grin cool
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#2826631 - 01/08/17 10:03 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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I'm looking forward to trying out this synth. Regarding the plug-outs, I've always considered the Juno-106 to be a "poor man's" Jupiter-8. Given an on-board Jupiter, I'm wondering how much I would use the the Juno. What Juno-106 patch couldn't be accomplished, and even improved upon, with a Jupiter-8?
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#2826684 - 01/08/17 03:31 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
I'm looking forward to trying out this synth. Regarding the plug-outs, I've always considered the Juno-106 to be a "poor man's" Jupiter-8. Given an on-board Jupiter, I'm wondering how much I would use the the Juno. What Juno-106 patch couldn't be accomplished, and even improved upon, with a Jupiter-8?

The plug-out allows the System 8 to replicate the nuances of that particular synth i.e. Juno 106 or Jupiter 8. Otherwise, it should be possible to program a similar patch using either plug-out including the native System 8.

The System 8 is the front-runner in satisfying my poly synth needs. cool
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#2826786 - 01/09/17 02:29 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
What I noticed instead is that the System-8 is ACB based, which someone did specify in the first post, but I forgot that System-1 was AIRA based.

So now I'm thoroughly confused, as System-8 will ship with ACB PLUG-OUTS, but the old PLUG-OUTS will be modified to work with System-8.

https://www.roland.com/global/products/system-8/

So does this mean that ACB actually derives from AIRA and is a newer generation? I thought we had found out earlier that they are two different development teams at Roland, with little (if any) crossover even though much of the intent is the same?


ACB is the technology on which both the AIRA and the Boutique product lines are built, as well as the System-8.
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#2826798 - 01/09/17 05:03 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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I thought the boutique line had a lower audio processing rate than the AIRA?
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#2826872 - 01/09/17 10:17 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RABid]
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#2827458 - 01/11/17 07:51 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Thanks to marczellm; I had sort of reached the same conclusion based on a few posts I saw elsewhere, but it did seem to run contrary to statements on this forum a year or so ago about them being different development teams with no cross-pollination.

It's been a week since I've checked, but it looks like the new plug-outs aren't available as VST/AU plug-ins yet, and Roland said something to the effect that it's hard to do and takes them awhile with each new plug-out but that it is a goal for each one.
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#2832600 - 02/01/17 07:54 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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#2832603 - 02/01/17 08:06 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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I got to demo a System-8. Very nice instrument but I think I'm going to hold out for the Rev 2. $500 more gets true analog, 8 more voices, and 5 octave keyboard.

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#2832606 - 02/01/17 08:15 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
I got to demo a System-8. Very nice instrument but I think I'm going to hold out for the Rev 2. $500 more gets true analog, 8 more voices, and 5 octave keyboard.


So that's 16 voice analog synth with 5 octaves for $2000? When is it going to be available?

EDIT: I see, you're talking about DSI Rev 2. I thought there's going to be another synth by Roland.


Edited by U.Honey (02/01/17 08:20 AM)
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#2832608 - 02/01/17 08:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: U.Honey]
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Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
I got to demo a System-8. Very nice instrument but I think I'm going to hold out for the Rev 2. $500 more gets true analog, 8 more voices, and 5 octave keyboard.


So that's 16 voice analog synth with 5 octaves for $2000? When is it going to be available?

EDIT: I see, you're talking about DSI Rev 2. I thought there's going to be another synth by Roland.


Sorry I wasn't clear. Yes it's a Dave Smith. No word on ship date. BTW - You can also get an 8-voice model of the Rev 2 for $1,500. The synth war is really heating up and we are reaping the spoils! like

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#2832678 - 02/01/17 01:02 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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The Roland System 8 inspired me to consider a poly synth. I still think it sounds very good. But, I'm glad I didn't buy one.

IMO, the Behringer DeepMind 12 crushes the System 8 across the board (no pun intended). Of course, the jury is still out on Behringer product reliability.

I believe Roland and every other manufacturer will have to drop their poly synth prices in order to compete.

Again, I'm not saying the Behringer DeepMind 12 is a game-changer but it is definitely going to sell a lot of units. cool
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#2849402 - 04/14/17 09:38 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Hi...i was watching a comparison video of the Jupiter 8/ JP08 that Nickndis and they sounded strikingly similar. No two Jupiters sound alike I bet in a blind test a lot of people might have mixed them up or thought they were both analog. Personally I think Roland's current crop of synths are really hideous and I wouldn't want one for myself. But I do give them kudos for the plug out concept and how far their modeling has come. I'm sure a lot of people, myself included are asking, "why won't Roland in the midst of the analog revival give us analog? The timing couldn't be better!" I'm sure they're aware of that, maybe they believe in what they're doing and maybe they want to push through those barriers and show a digital can sound just as good as an analog.

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#2849433 - 04/14/17 11:17 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Lula Nord]
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Turns out I will be buying a System 8 in the very near future. wink cool
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#2849472 - 04/14/17 02:23 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Originally Posted By: ProfD
Turns out I will be buying a System 8 in the very near future. wink cool


What made you change your mind?

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#2849510 - 04/14/17 05:30 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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The Roland System 8 inspired me to consider a poly synth. I still think it sounds very good. But, I'm glad I didn't buy one.

Originally Posted By: ProfD
Well, my KC brethren, I tried to make it work. But, my gamble and loss is your gain.

I'm selling a mint condition (less than 2 month) old Roland JD-XA synth. It does not have the audio crackling issue.



Originally Posted By: ProfD
Turns out I will be buying a System 8 in the very near future. wink cool


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#2849595 - 04/15/17 06:11 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Turns out I will be buying a System 8 in the very near future. wink cool

I thought you already bought one!
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#2849643 - 04/15/17 09:21 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DanL]
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Yeah, I made a KB geek, er, technical decision in buying the Roland JD-XA thinking that as an analog/digital hybrid it could be a System 8 on steroids. laugh

The JD-XA is a fine synth and covers a lot of ground. Yet, no amount of programming yields the FTEC and sonic gratification I expect to hear. It gets close but not quite.

OTOH, the System 8 has it. Starting a sound from scratch using the native synth engine, in a matter of seconds, I've got a funky phat playable sound. That sub-osc makes a huge difference too.

The Behringer DeepMind 12 (DM12) has more going for it than the System 8 especially with the onboard FX engine. IMO, the DM12 is hampered by lacking split/layer capability. I'm not too fond of the overhanging keys either.

While I still think the DM12 sounds better, I can live with the compromises of the System 8 because programming it provides instant gratification sonically and it is a blast to play.cool
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#2854248 - 05/08/17 11:24 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Well my KC brethren, I picked up the Roland System 8 this past Friday. grin

Again, the FTEC doesn't lie. The JD-XA is a fine synth in its own right. But, the System 8 is definitely the synth I should have bought in the first place.

After swapping out the Moog Sub 37 and Yamaha DX7IID in an effort to consolidate synths, I truly feel that with the SV-1/System 8 combo, my KB rig is great again.thulaughcool
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#2854305 - 05/08/17 04:08 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Congrats!!

In the System 8 manual when it talks of editing a tone, it says something like " adjust a knob on the front panel " that's it! There is no
menu diving. Outstanding!!

I have been considering these two synths for awhile also" Sys 8 Vs JD-XA". To my ears the Utube videos for the System 8 sound better than the JD-XA. I keep thinking I should go with the latest tech as it "should" have better/faster audio converters in it.
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#2854317 - 05/08/17 04:49 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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The System 8 is a great sounding, performance-oriented VA. It is easy to program sounds and set up splits and layers.

No menu diving. Data wheel comes in handy too. Very user-friendly synth.

Looks cool too. I'm just trying to decide between the aluminum or wood end pieces. grin cool
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#2854325 - 05/08/17 05:20 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Well my KC brethren, I picked up the Roland System 8 this past Friday. grin


Nice Prof! Nothing like knowing what you want and taking a detour or 2 on the way to getting it. Congrats twothumbs

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#2854329 - 05/08/17 05:35 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ProfD]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Hey D'
chew on some TUMS.
It will pass. laugh

Yeah Dave, I'm hoping it will be that simple. grin cool


Guess not. Good for you, D' keys
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#2854386 - 05/09/17 07:39 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: davedoerfler]
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I feel that the JD-XA vs the System 8 is a little apples vs oranges. The JD-XA is certainly a lot more complex, and has lots of quirks and strange stuff going on. And while it has an analog side, it feels more modern and or futuristic.

I was in the same boat as a lot of you guys, considering one or the other. And frankly, the only reason I ended up picking up the JD-XA was because I already had a JP-08 and JU-06, so really I felt getting a System 8 would be duplicative.

And I was right, the JD-XA does not really sound like those. It can sound warm, and it is analog at times, and it has a nice hi fi character, which is a nice contrast for the Jupiter and Juno models.

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