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#2802960 - 09/09/16 06:16 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DanL]
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Aftertouch?
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#2802961 - 09/09/16 06:17 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: DanL]
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The keys do look slightly smallish. Perhaps it's just the video angle????

Just listening on my phone, it sounds really nice. Promising.

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#2802964 - 09/09/16 06:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Aftertouch?


Question for me also. Also the keybed.

Really nice sounding and giggable to me. Lots of Roland pads, brass and strings in there. There is a nod to the Jupiter 8 with the four performance sliders. Lots of sounds reminiscent of JP8000, Super Jupiter and JD800.

For Sven ... 8 voices? <grumble> taz smile

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#2802965 - 09/09/16 06:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ABECK]
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
The keys do look slightly smallish. Perhaps it's just the video angle????

Just listening on my phone, it sounds really nice. Promising.


You are right. It looks like those sub standard keys they use on the cheap Junos and the FA-06.

The thing that jumped out to me in the demo was Daniel demoed a VA synth for over 30 minutes and never showed the first thing I check on any VA. He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.

PS- And the reverbs sound like a Gaia which isn't very good.


Edited by CEB (09/09/16 06:34 AM)

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#2802967 - 09/09/16 06:39 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.


Check out 5.04

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#2802975 - 09/09/16 07:03 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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It looks like those sub standard keys they use on the cheap Junos and the FA-06.

For some kinds of playing, I don't think that's terrible. Same as I don't like the Korg Kross/Krome 61 action, but don't mind the same action on the KingKorg, because the limitations of the action don't come into play so much on the kinds of sounds I'd use that board for.
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#2802979 - 09/09/16 07:15 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
He never gave us triangle and sine waves at the highest registers. So I assume it aliases like a motherhubbard.


Check out 5.04


Bummer they switched the video to private. I remember Daniel walking through all the oscillator waves forms but not taking triangle and sines to the highest registers, just saws.


Edited by CEB (09/09/16 09:04 AM)

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#2803007 - 09/09/16 08:46 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB


PS- And the reverbs sound like a Gaia which isn't very good.


I thought the overall synth sounds really nice with all that complexity in the waveforms, but the reverbs sound cheap. I keep coming back to the DM 12 with those much higher quality FXs (plus FX modulation). Really remarkable given the price.

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#2803028 - 09/09/16 09:37 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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and now the utube link is private
did they jump the gun?
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#2803034 - 09/09/16 10:01 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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Originally Posted By: JerryA
For Sven ... 8 voices? <grumble> taz smile


The remnants of the Sweetwater site that they didn't take down this morning:

Sweetwater once again get the scoop on some of the new Roland gear. We've been excited to hear about the new AIRA System 8, the new ACB 8 voice virtual analog with a whopping 3 Osc (3rd is geared to be more of a multi wave sub).

Well, that does it for me on this one frown

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#2803038 - 09/09/16 10:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: HAM&EGZ]
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Originally Posted By: HAM&EGZ
and now the utube link is private
did they jump the gun?
And they took off everything but the main page from http://tfr.roland.com.
Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Another test for me will be to hit a raw sawtooth C6, modulate it with a sine wave LFO, and listen for birdies. This is not what I call much of a stress test at all, but every Roland VA I've ever used has revealed aliasing with this simple test. On the V-Synth, it could be quite obvious (and annoying) when playing high register leads and applying thick vibrato. I have not tried any of Roland's Boutiques, but there was a post in another forum complaining about aliasing issues with a JP-08... so we'll see.
Another very telling test is when you set a quite long portamento time and then do a full glide from the lowest to the highest note. Romplers like my JUNO-G up to the Jupiter/FA PCM Synth section simply stop the glide at 2 octaves above the source note in order to hide the aliasing that would appear. The SuperNatural Synth engine is still mainly sample based but plays a trick: the moment you hit the upper note, it stops the current sample and starts the high sample at that low pitch. Which means the beginning of the glide sounds nothing like the source note. On the System-8 there is enough keys to finally do the same test with the ACB engine.
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It's been almost 20 years since the JP-8000. Hopefully Roland has solved it's recurring VA aliasing issue with the System 8.
When I first saw that low resolution picture of the System-8 I was immediately reminded of the JP-8000. I think it looks very similar.
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#2803094 - 09/09/16 02:18 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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Per messaging that was on Roland's 9/09 website, product listings will be visible as of 10pm Eastern time tonight.

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#2803100 - 09/09/16 02:44 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: felix]
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I thought some of the sounds were great but honestly the guy looked like he was having a bit of a hard time with the smaller keys. I'm not going to spend $1500 on a mini keyboard.



Edited by aronnelson (09/09/16 02:44 PM)
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#2803132 - 09/09/16 06:10 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Bummer they switched the video to private. I remember Daniel walking through all the oscillator waves forms but not taking triangle and sines to the highest registers, just saws.


True, they were saws. True that triangles and sines make it easier to hear the munchkins. He didn't spend too long at high pitches either.

Still for me (as I hoped it might be for you) it was a convincing demonstration of clear highs: enough to completely distinguish this synth from Gaia, SH32, V-Synth and the JP synths on aliasing. We still haven't seen what fast LFOs will do to the oscillators, and I agree that some of the effects seem pretty entry level.

Looking forward to hearing more....

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#2803139 - 09/09/16 07:30 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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#2803141 - 09/09/16 07:49 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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Good overview here. Full-size keys. They expect street price to be $1195 (first time I've heard that).

https://ask.audio/articles/roland-system-8-synthesizer-full-details-revealed

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#2803144 - 09/09/16 08:10 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: burningbusch]
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Ed Diaz has his hands on it,



$1195 would make more sense.

Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.
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#2803151 - 09/09/16 08:33 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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so far the usual online major retailers are showing for $1499.
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#2803162 - 09/09/16 10:03 PM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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That detailed Sweetwater video is back ...

also Scott Tibbs give us an overview ...


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#2803169 - 09/10/16 12:26 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: JerryA]
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In depth review from Kosmic Sounds:

https://youtu.be/Pn5qq46qdT4

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#2803176 - 09/10/16 04:42 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.
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#2803177 - 09/10/16 05:54 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.


I have a JP-08 and if anything it makes me want something that can play more than 2 notes at a time.
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#2803179 - 09/10/16 06:42 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: RABid]
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Okay, I've checked a few videos, and I think the system 8 sounds pretty unique, in a good way.
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#2803185 - 09/10/16 07:13 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: dazzjazz]
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Ok, I think we all remember a few generations back and can see the evolving business plans here...

Remember when Roland hardware came with an internal soundset and they left room to add samples via expansion ROMs... JV cards and SRX cards? And then memory got cheap and then they backed away from this scheme and loaded up the FA-08/06 and Jupiter-80/50 with tons of stuff, no need for expansion cards?

Now Yamaha was doing similar at the time with PLG-150 boards. Although when you bought a AN, DX or VL board you were getting additional processing power that ran additional synthesis engines as opposed to a ROM - they also had their own polyphony. Then came the Motif XS, XF and Montage lines that were packed with sounds on ROM or most recently flash memory. And while they opened their keyboards up to additional samples via additional samples, user samples, third party samples - they also backed away from offering actual synthesis engines (the Montage breaking that pattern with an 8 operator DX engine included).

All of the above were available in various sizes, user choice of action, better or less build quality/weight/price - we had some choices.

Ok, so here we are at the end of 2016. Roland has priced this System-8 at $1499 in one size fits all (no choice in action), hardware capable of a paltry 8 note poly (even though you can layer engines). There's no hardware limitation to having 4 synthesis engines onboard - it comes with 3 (better than 1 - I was certain they were going to charge for the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts).

Meanwhile we have Nord saying here's our growing library - pick and use what you like (but we'll be stingy on memory). And Korg offering the kitchen sink - here's the lot running on an Atom processor - enjoy!).

Interesting decisions all around, past and present.
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#2803187 - 09/10/16 07:34 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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According to roland.com it has no aftertouch. WTF? The JD-XA has it.
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#2803191 - 09/10/16 07:46 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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Do you have to own the System hardware to purchase and use the VST/AUs on your computer? Are the computer based software emulations limited by the same polyphony restrictions as the System hardware? Can you run the software emulations at a higher sample rate in your DAW project than the limitation on the hardware? Is the hardware a copy protection dongle - must be attached to computer when using the software emulation running on your computer?
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#2803192 - 09/10/16 07:48 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: marczellm]
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$1500. Pfft! Pony up an extra $200-300 and get some real hardware. I would rather have the JP-50 than this key action if it is what I think it is. It is some what playable but it sucks.


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#2803193 - 09/10/16 07:50 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: CEB]
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#2803201 - 09/10/16 08:27 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I've looked at a number of vids I found on YT, and I like it, thought it's maybe a bit expensive. OTOH, the digital distortion tunings are accurate in a number of ways (not all ways) and seem to evade the usual (un-nice) munch and repetitive garbage that makes a normal acoustic situation sound horrible. Those effects appear to allow serious additional processing outside of the ever the same digi effect types that abound (for not much reason to me).

Looks like a responsive instrument with some good sounds in it, even responding to an extend like an analog polyphonic. Of course, it isn't a polyphonic Pro 2, that would be more expensive, wouldn't it ?

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#2803212 - 09/10/16 09:05 AM Re: Roland System-8 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Damn right it better come with the Jupiter-8 and Juno 106 plugouts.

If Roland hadn't come out with the JP-08 last year, I bet people would be all excited simply about the prospect of a JP-08 emulating board for $1499.

That's an interesting point. Apparently we will now have a reasonable approximation of the Jupiter-8, that is, with more polyphony and reasonably-sized keys than the JP-08. I do wish they went full monty and had the keybed of the Jupiter-80 and 61 keys. It is, nonetheless, very cool....perhaps in a 1980s sort of way....to see this synth (at least the Jupiter-8 component) joining the currently available Prophet-6 and OB-6 selections.
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