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#2798800 - 08/23/16 08:25 PM Moe's new rig
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I recently switched back to my old Stage 76 in place of my PX-5S. This means that my former tight rig has to be dismantled. I'm going to start a separate thread here to keep track of all the mods I make to my new rig.

First up, the stand. My old tube stand is falling apart and fiddly to assemble. I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.

I started with the K&M 18880 and Rusty Mike's wooden riser idea.




After gigging with it for a weekend I didn't like having to stretch so far to play organ. It disconnected me. So I decided to modify the riser for, you guessed it, a slider.










Details to follow.
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#2798804 - 08/23/16 08:32 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Cool. That's what bugs me about the Stage as a bottom board, you need access to those deep controls and that puts the 2nd-tier board too far back.
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#2798806 - 08/23/16 08:40 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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Wish I could find a better way to get a 2nd keyboard closer to the top of my Korg SV1. Damn thing is shaped like a pill!!!
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#2798810 - 08/23/16 09:04 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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The riser has a hinged swing arm that can move out of the way or form a channel for a trolley to slide on. The trolleys have holes to capture the rubber feet of the organ. The U channel on the trolley rides in the rail channel and is confined by it.





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#2798812 - 08/23/16 09:08 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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#2798813 - 08/23/16 09:11 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Very cool! I'm using an XK1C as well. Off the record, are you using the internal sim or something else like a Vent/Burn etc? If possible, could you send me a PM? Don't want to hijack this thread!
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#2798814 - 08/23/16 09:16 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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I needed to extend the crossbar to fit over my pedal board, which caused a problem because it would now be too long and stick out the end when collapsed. Also it needed to be relocated to avoid fouling the risers.

So I made a new crossbar from angle aluminum which splits in the middle, and folds flat against the leg for transport. All clamp knobs can stay in place and only the trolleys get tossed in a separate case.



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#2798815 - 08/23/16 09:30 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
Very cool! I'm using an XK1C as well. Off the record, are you using the internal sim or something else like a Vent/Burn etc? If possible, could you send me a PM? Don't want to hijack this thread!


PM sent.
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#2798848 - 08/24/16 06:05 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Moe,

Nice...! Do the hinged swing-arms contact the Stage?

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#2798868 - 08/24/16 07:31 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Joe P]
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#2798875 - 08/24/16 07:57 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Very nice and thought out piece of work.
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#2798880 - 08/24/16 08:06 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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Wish I could find a better way to get a 2nd keyboard closer to the top of my Korg SV1. Damn thing is shaped like a pill!!!

The K&M 18880 + stacker can work well. You can either rest the front of the 2nd tier board on the top front edge of the SV1, with the bulk of the board on the stacker (falling behind the high end of the curve of the SV1), or let the stacker itself basically rest on the top of the SV1 (which you'd need to do to go beyond 2 tiers). IIRC, in all these photos, the top board is a 18882 stacker flipped backwards; if there's a middle board, it's on a 18881 facing normally. Though if you're more ambitious, you can saw off the front of the 18881 in cases where you don't need as much depth, which might allow you to further lower the board sitting on it (again, sitting the front of the board on the SV1 itself and using the stacker only to support the rear), or in other cases (for multiple boards above the SV1), may also prevent any control blocking or aesthetic distraction.

Getting the height right on 3+ boards can be a matter of luck with the standard holes, or you might drill additional holes to permit other heights.

SV1 + Nord Wave


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SV1 + Kurzweil Artis7


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#2798888 - 08/24/16 08:28 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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One of the reasons i started the L shaped look. It is hard for me to lean over that far and feel comfortable.
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#2798889 - 08/24/16 08:30 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Joe P]
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Originally Posted By: Joe P
Moe,

Nice...! Do the hinged swing-arms contact the Stage?

Joe


Yes, they are designed to rest on the Nord for stability. The swing arms, risers, and tops of the trolleys have my favorite adhesive backed foam attached so no paint will get marked.
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#2798904 - 08/24/16 09:37 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: bennyray]
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One of the reasons i started the L shaped look. It is hard for me to lean over that far and feel comfortable.

The less horizontal control surface each board has, the better. Also easier for standing rather than sitting players
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#2798921 - 08/24/16 10:28 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.



You knew this was coming.... grin wink
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#2798922 - 08/24/16 10:30 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Moonglow]
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#2798926 - 08/24/16 10:46 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.



You knew this was coming.... grin wink



Yeah, should have added "doesn't look like an ironing board." My stand sets up in 60 seconds. Yes, I timed it. I'll donate the extra 30 seconds I spend over an X stand every time...
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#2798980 - 08/24/16 01:45 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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why did you abandon the Casio and switch back to the Nord?
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#2798984 - 08/24/16 01:57 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
why did you abandon the Casio and switch back to the Nord?


New bands, new material, more acoustic piano these days. Whereas the Casio served me well doing organ jazz funk EPs, I started having trouble with AP and sometimes even EPs projecting in the new band. And this is not a very loud situation - we play pretty quiet and don't even mic instruments most of the time.
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#2799033 - 08/24/16 05:43 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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I just purchased the Gemini desktop and I have to say that my bread and butter sounds (EP's, Clav, Hammond and acoustic piano) have been solved. The EP's especially are outstanding, even the acoustic piano that the module delivers, though not its strong point, makes the cut. Every parameter is customizable to any CC so in essence it works with most controllers. Finally, I have an organ where I can enjoy the C/V as the C/V sounds very close to my 57 B3 right out of the box. I love that shimmer.....
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#2799104 - 08/24/16 09:17 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Those rigs look so cool!

I guess I'm going to have get myself that stand. I need something that I can use wither with two boards or optionally with three boards. So, I need the stand itself, K&M 18880 and two stackers. But, which stackers should I get:

one 18881 and one 18882
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two 18882s?
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#2799110 - 08/24/16 10:04 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: U.Honey]
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Those rigs look so cool!

I guess I'm going to have get myself that stand. I need something that I can use wither with two boards or optionally with three boards. So, I need the stand itself, K&M 18880 and two stackers. But, which stackers should I get:

one 18881 and one 18882
or
two 18882s?

I like the 18882 on top because you can flip it to face the other way. But a 18881 has an adjustable-depth front piece, and the holder for the next tier up (meaning you could theoretically go 4 boards up, depending on the boards, as I did showed in one of those pics).
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#2799508 - 08/26/16 01:00 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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Here's my bench reconfigured for max height. It doesn't collapse conveniently yet, but I'll start on that after this weekend's gigs.

One less X bench in the world!

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#2799515 - 08/26/16 01:35 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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It doesn't really collapse, but I like the Roc N Soc drum thrones for keyboard work.

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#2799522 - 08/26/16 02:10 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: The Real MC]
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It doesn't really collapse, but I like the Roc N Soc drum thrones for keyboard work.


I have one too, with the bicycle seat. I use it at home. What I found however is it pins me in one place, while a bench lets me easily scoot side to side.
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#2801837 - 09/05/16 03:18 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Bench now collapses flat. Cross braces are slotted at 1 end for quick setup and for keeping everything attached. Set up time is 52 seconds.

Bonus: it still fits in my bench bag!





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#2801838 - 09/05/16 03:20 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Next up: the mini rack gets a revision.
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#2801842 - 09/05/16 03:37 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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First, this is all extremely clever and cool.

Second: I have that bench, and offer the caveat that even at its "regular" maximum height, it can be extremely unstable side-to-side. So just be careful/aware: if it's in a bad mood, it may try to take it out on you.

Otherwise--yeah. Not a lot of metal fabrication going on in this little pad of mine. Many props on your set-up and your skills.
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#2801843 - 09/05/16 03:49 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: MathOfInsects]
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I have that bench, and offer the caveat that even at its "regular" maximum height, it can be extremely unstable side-to-side. So just be careful/aware: if it's in a bad mood, it may try to take it out on you.


Quite possibly the side to side instability when an X bench is raised all the way up is because the higher it is, the closer together the feet are.

I've gigged this bench and have no instability worries side to side. It would be a lot easier to tip it front to back. I sometimes stand in the middle of a song and fully expect the bench to fall backwards on me at some point.
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#2801845 - 09/05/16 04:01 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Quite possibly the side to side instability when an X bench is raised all the way up is because the higher it is, the closer together the feet are.


What?? Now that's just crazy talk!

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I've gigged this bench and have no instability worries side to side. It would be a lot easier to tip it front to back. I sometimes stand in the middle of a song and fully expect the bench to fall backwards on me at some point.


OK!
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#2808856 - 10/12/16 04:11 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Update - made some progress on my new rack. It holds a half rack Roland XV-2020 rompler, my beloved JDI Duplex, a Behringer ear bud amp, and a larger mixer than I was using in my mini rig previously (Yamaha MG102C.)

There's also space for my MiniVent in there as well, if I decide I need it. An impending organ switch may make that not necessary.

All power, warts, and lumps are in the bottom compartment which also has power for external use.

The 2 shelves are aluminum and slide out for access. The mixer will be mounted and get a lid as well.





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#2808878 - 10/12/16 06:08 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Moe, where did you source the aluminum from for the shelves?
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#2808886 - 10/12/16 07:02 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Moe, where did you source the aluminum from for the shelves?


Went to the local sheet metal company with a drawing, and they sheared it up for me. There are some partial side pieces to guard the mixer and support the lid that I haven't shown yet. Total cost was $32
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#2808920 - 10/13/16 06:08 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Very neat, nice work Moe!
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#2808939 - 10/13/16 08:30 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: MorayM]
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I totally missed this thread the first time around! Very cool rig updates!

Question: How do you transport the custom 1/2 rack?

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#2808945 - 10/13/16 08:59 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: eric]
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Question: How do you transport the custom 1/2 rack?


The little racks I build are designed to throw in my cord case (wheeled with a pull out handle. Then onstage the rack sits on top of the cord case next to me.

This one is admittedly at the large end of a tossable box.
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#2815236 - 11/12/16 04:19 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Updating the rig thread to show my organ swap out. I thought I was going to have to remake the trolleys for the new organ since the rubber feet were mounted in different places. But I just flipped them backwards and it fit fine!

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#2815237 - 11/12/16 04:24 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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#2815240 - 11/12/16 04:52 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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#2815277 - 11/12/16 11:55 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: davedoerfler]
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#2815827 - 11/16/16 02:52 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: RudyS]
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New organ, so the pedalboard gets a mod. Vent remote speed switch goes and another FC-7 gets added to do Nord modulation and non-piano volume duty. I'll be using the Mojo internal sim.


Before:



After:



Left to right: Nord mod, Mojo sustain/speed, Nord sustain, Mojo expression.


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#2816494 - 11/20/16 08:30 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Got the basement level of the rack wired, otherwise known as the Garden of Lumps and Warts.



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#2816496 - 11/20/16 08:33 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Wow. That's some beautiful work. Thanks for taking the time to post these pictures.
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#2816546 - 11/21/16 06:04 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: timwat]
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#2816609 - 11/21/16 01:37 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Al Quinn]
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I always admire Moe's handy work too!
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#2816880 - 11/22/16 06:23 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: humannoyed]
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The Garden of Lumps and Warts is harnessed.

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#2850324 - 04/18/17 05:08 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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I haven't updated this thread in awhile.

New - the bench now sports a fold away backrest. I get tired back sitting on that thing for hours during a gig and could use the support!




The back piece has slots on the back and just sets down on the risers. It gets thrown into the bench bag. It will get some foam installed soon.




The risers tuck up under the bench when not in use.

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#2850329 - 04/18/17 05:47 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Nice work! thu
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#2850337 - 04/18/17 07:29 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Michael Wright]
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Very cool!
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#2850814 - 04/21/17 09:00 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: allan_evett]
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Moe, I'm wondering if you're receiving compensation from Dr. Pepper for the strategic product placements in your pics. jk

Awesome watching what you do to your rig over the years. You have most definitely given us all some great time-saving tips!

Thanks for that!

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#2850819 - 04/21/17 09:25 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: midinut]
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LOL. I have had a serious DP addiction since I was 18. Back then they came in 16 oz bottles and the taste was magnificent. In the intervening years since bottles were phased out I have endured cans or even worse, liter bottles.

Anyway, I've been trying to kick the habit for several years now. Currently I am DP free for close to 6 months. wink
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#2850886 - 04/21/17 02:40 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Come on up to Canada, the DP tastes better up here; like it should. But don't call it DP, people will think you're looking for a girl, and another guy.
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#2850889 - 04/21/17 03:03 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: WesG]
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@Wes laugh cop


Edited by Michael Wright (04/21/17 04:32 PM)
Edit Reason: cop
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#2860733 - 06/12/17 07:56 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Michael Wright]
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Well, I've decided to go for it. KL on the pedalboard, vent on the pedalboard, everything on the pedalboard!

I have a weekend full of gigs and 3 days. That's a lotta wiring, and I haven't even figured out how to do the power bus yet.

The much maligned Key Largo sustain switch will actually be used as my secondary sustain pedal, switching patches on the PX-5S or as a sustain for my Mojo 61, which is almost always dedicated to organ.

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#2860736 - 06/12/17 08:17 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Well, I've decided to go for it. KL on the pedalboard, vent on the pedalboard, everything on the pedalboard!


hope it all works as planned. thu
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#2860791 - 06/13/17 07:31 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: davedoerfler]
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Looks cool,

Will you be using the internal reverb of the organ (Mojo) and run it trough the Vent? Or do you prefer to keep the organ sound dry? Just asking because I'm having somewhat similar setup where I feed the organ of Stage2 (via 3rd output) to Vent. I somehow find the bare organ sound too dry and have a reverb pedal after the Vent, but being a quitar pedal, it doesn't quite have enough dynamic range to be placed in series in the signal chain. KL aux loop would solve that issue...


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#2860792 - 06/13/17 07:35 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: jyrkik]
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I typically run Mojo pretty dry live. Occasionally I do a spacey or classically influenced thing where it is appropriate, but the Mojo verb works fine for this because I am on chorale. It's really only when spinning that verb sounds funny.

Of course, I could also put a reverb pedal in the effects loop of the KL.
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#2862312 - 06/22/17 10:45 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Well, the pedalboard is complete tonight except for some fresh paint. Seems like I have been working on it for weeks.

Oh yeah, that's because I have. Pics to follow.
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#2862479 - 06/23/17 07:32 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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Presenting the world's strangest pedalboard. I built a box underneath for power handling. It contains internal AC for wall warts and external AC for keys and other things and has an IEC plug for input.

Since I use my lid to snap back on and raise everything, the power box hides inside when on stage. Closed for travel it looks a little weird.

Setup is super fast with the vent prewired to its remote and the mixer. The pedals terminate in a little patch panel. 2 key cables to mix, 3 pedal outputs to keys, mix to monitor, mix to house.

I'm using the Key Largo sustain switch for S2, a secondary sustain for Mojo OR when I use the Casio I switch patch layers with it.

KL effects loop has output patched right back into the input, and provides a stereo boost for soloing. I'll have to gig with it to see if I need to insert an active boost pedal instead.













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#2862563 - 06/24/17 10:27 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: mate stubb]
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That is really incredible. The power handling looks so elegant.
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