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#2798800 - 08/23/16 08:25 PM Moe's new rig
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I recently switched back to my old Stage 76 in place of my PX-5S. This means that my former tight rig has to be dismantled. I'm going to start a separate thread here to keep track of all the mods I make to my new rig.

First up, the stand. My old tube stand is falling apart and fiddly to assemble. I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.

I started with the K&M 18880 and Rusty Mike's wooden riser idea.




After gigging with it for a weekend I didn't like having to stretch so far to play organ. It disconnected me. So I decided to modify the riser for, you guessed it, a slider.










Details to follow.
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#2798804 - 08/23/16 08:32 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Cool. That's what bugs me about the Stage as a bottom board, you need access to those deep controls and that puts the 2nd-tier board too far back.
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#2798806 - 08/23/16 08:40 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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Wish I could find a better way to get a 2nd keyboard closer to the top of my Korg SV1. Damn thing is shaped like a pill!!!
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#2798810 - 08/23/16 09:04 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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The riser has a hinged swing arm that can move out of the way or form a channel for a trolley to slide on. The trolleys have holes to capture the rubber feet of the organ. The U channel on the trolley rides in the rail channel and is confined by it.





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#2798812 - 08/23/16 09:08 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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#2798813 - 08/23/16 09:11 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Very cool! I'm using an XK1C as well. Off the record, are you using the internal sim or something else like a Vent/Burn etc? If possible, could you send me a PM? Don't want to hijack this thread!
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#2798814 - 08/23/16 09:16 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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I needed to extend the crossbar to fit over my pedal board, which caused a problem because it would now be too long and stick out the end when collapsed. Also it needed to be relocated to avoid fouling the risers.

So I made a new crossbar from angle aluminum which splits in the middle, and folds flat against the leg for transport. All clamp knobs can stay in place and only the trolleys get tossed in a separate case.



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#2798815 - 08/23/16 09:30 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
Very cool! I'm using an XK1C as well. Off the record, are you using the internal sim or something else like a Vent/Burn etc? If possible, could you send me a PM? Don't want to hijack this thread!


PM sent.
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#2798848 - 08/24/16 06:05 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Moe,

Nice...! Do the hinged swing-arms contact the Stage?

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#2798868 - 08/24/16 07:31 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Joe P]
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#2798875 - 08/24/16 07:57 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Very nice and thought out piece of work.
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#2798880 - 08/24/16 08:06 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
Wish I could find a better way to get a 2nd keyboard closer to the top of my Korg SV1. Damn thing is shaped like a pill!!!

The K&M 18880 + stacker can work well. You can either rest the front of the 2nd tier board on the top front edge of the SV1, with the bulk of the board on the stacker (falling behind the high end of the curve of the SV1), or let the stacker itself basically rest on the top of the SV1 (which you'd need to do to go beyond 2 tiers). IIRC, in all these photos, the top board is a 18882 stacker flipped backwards; if there's a middle board, it's on a 18881 facing normally. Though if you're more ambitious, you can saw off the front of the 18881 in cases where you don't need as much depth, which might allow you to further lower the board sitting on it (again, sitting the front of the board on the SV1 itself and using the stacker only to support the rear), or in other cases (for multiple boards above the SV1), may also prevent any control blocking or aesthetic distraction.

Getting the height right on 3+ boards can be a matter of luck with the standard holes, or you might drill additional holes to permit other heights.

SV1 + Nord Wave


SV1 + Numa Organ + Nord Wave


SV1 + Numa Organ + Nord Wave + Yamaha MX49


SV1 + Kurzweil Artis7


SV1 + Kurzweil Artis7 + Nord Wave
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#2798888 - 08/24/16 08:28 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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One of the reasons i started the L shaped look. It is hard for me to lean over that far and feel comfortable.
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#2798889 - 08/24/16 08:30 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Joe P]
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Moe,

Nice...! Do the hinged swing-arms contact the Stage?

Joe


Yes, they are designed to rest on the Nord for stability. The swing arms, risers, and tops of the trolleys have my favorite adhesive backed foam attached so no paint will get marked.
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#2798904 - 08/24/16 09:37 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: bennyray]
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Originally Posted By: bennyray
One of the reasons i started the L shaped look. It is hard for me to lean over that far and feel comfortable.

The less horizontal control surface each board has, the better. Also easier for standing rather than sitting players
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#2798921 - 08/24/16 10:28 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.



You knew this was coming.... grin wink
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#2798922 - 08/24/16 10:30 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Moonglow]
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#2798926 - 08/24/16 10:46 AM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I want lightweight, super fast assembly, ability to put the boards where I want, and not a lot of extra parts.



You knew this was coming.... grin wink



Yeah, should have added "doesn't look like an ironing board." My stand sets up in 60 seconds. Yes, I timed it. I'll donate the extra 30 seconds I spend over an X stand every time...
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#2798980 - 08/24/16 01:45 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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why did you abandon the Casio and switch back to the Nord?
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#2798984 - 08/24/16 01:57 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
why did you abandon the Casio and switch back to the Nord?


New bands, new material, more acoustic piano these days. Whereas the Casio served me well doing organ jazz funk EPs, I started having trouble with AP and sometimes even EPs projecting in the new band. And this is not a very loud situation - we play pretty quiet and don't even mic instruments most of the time.
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#2799033 - 08/24/16 05:43 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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I just purchased the Gemini desktop and I have to say that my bread and butter sounds (EP's, Clav, Hammond and acoustic piano) have been solved. The EP's especially are outstanding, even the acoustic piano that the module delivers, though not its strong point, makes the cut. Every parameter is customizable to any CC so in essence it works with most controllers. Finally, I have an organ where I can enjoy the C/V as the C/V sounds very close to my 57 B3 right out of the box. I love that shimmer.....
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#2799104 - 08/24/16 09:17 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Those rigs look so cool!

I guess I'm going to have get myself that stand. I need something that I can use wither with two boards or optionally with three boards. So, I need the stand itself, K&M 18880 and two stackers. But, which stackers should I get:

one 18881 and one 18882
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two 18882s?
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#2799110 - 08/24/16 10:04 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: U.Honey]
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Originally Posted By: U.Honey
Those rigs look so cool!

I guess I'm going to have get myself that stand. I need something that I can use wither with two boards or optionally with three boards. So, I need the stand itself, K&M 18880 and two stackers. But, which stackers should I get:

one 18881 and one 18882
or
two 18882s?

I like the 18882 on top because you can flip it to face the other way. But a 18881 has an adjustable-depth front piece, and the holder for the next tier up (meaning you could theoretically go 4 boards up, depending on the boards, as I did showed in one of those pics).
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#2799508 - 08/26/16 01:00 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: AnotherScott]
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Here's my bench reconfigured for max height. It doesn't collapse conveniently yet, but I'll start on that after this weekend's gigs.

One less X bench in the world!

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#2799515 - 08/26/16 01:35 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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It doesn't really collapse, but I like the Roc N Soc drum thrones for keyboard work.

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#2799522 - 08/26/16 02:10 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: The Zombie MC]
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It doesn't really collapse, but I like the Roc N Soc drum thrones for keyboard work.


I have one too, with the bicycle seat. I use it at home. What I found however is it pins me in one place, while a bench lets me easily scoot side to side.
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#2801837 - 09/05/16 03:18 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Bench now collapses flat. Cross braces are slotted at 1 end for quick setup and for keeping everything attached. Set up time is 52 seconds.

Bonus: it still fits in my bench bag!





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#2801838 - 09/05/16 03:20 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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Next up: the mini rack gets a revision.
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#2801842 - 09/05/16 03:37 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: matted stump]
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First, this is all extremely clever and cool.

Second: I have that bench, and offer the caveat that even at its "regular" maximum height, it can be extremely unstable side-to-side. So just be careful/aware: if it's in a bad mood, it may try to take it out on you.

Otherwise--yeah. Not a lot of metal fabrication going on in this little pad of mine. Many props on your set-up and your skills.
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#2801843 - 09/05/16 03:49 PM Re: Moe's new rig [Re: MaskOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
I have that bench, and offer the caveat that even at its "regular" maximum height, it can be extremely unstable side-to-side. So just be careful/aware: if it's in a bad mood, it may try to take it out on you.


Quite possibly the side to side instability when an X bench is raised all the way up is because the higher it is, the closer together the feet are.

I've gigged this bench and have no instability worries side to side. It would be a lot easier to tip it front to back. I sometimes stand in the middle of a song and fully expect the bench to fall backwards on me at some point.
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