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#2749314 - 01/24/16 12:02 AM New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes
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http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/guitars-basses/el-guitars/eg-rs/#tab=feature

I figure since there are a gazillion pickup combinations for this gorgeous new guitar series, it needs its own thread vs. just being buried in the P90 thread.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...audio_and_video

Sound samples for each one in the series, provided by Yamaha.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/24/16 12:03 AM)
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#2749315 - 01/24/16 12:26 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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#2749321 - 01/24/16 12:38 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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#2749323 - 01/24/16 01:11 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Well, after an hour of listening back and forth between all the models, from six different presenters/vendors, I surprisingly like the low-end 320 model the best (not including the Made in Japan RSP20 model, which isn't for sale here yet but has exactly one audio demo available). It seems set apart from the rest (maybe due to ceramic PUPS).

I dislike the two P90 models; too harsh, cold, compressed, boxy, mid-range (but not in a good way). Too bad, as the racing green model is visually my favorite.

The Bigsby model is interesting, but maybe too tame and clean. That was also my conclusion about Gretsch's solid body models. I think I'm done with FilterTrons.

The 600 series model sound OK in some demos but not OK in others. The 800 series sound OK in most, but maybe a bit clinical or even cold.

Nevertheless, I think the 300 series and 800 series will be the ones I look at in more depth, alongside the more elusive MIJ model.
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#2749326 - 01/24/16 01:28 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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In some ways, this less-annoying-than-usual demo from Andertons helps show the differences the best, as they pair them up two at a time in two-guitar role music -- though one uses a Marshall while the other uses a Fender amp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VejDWeBti2c

It's funny though, that the demos keep reinforcing my first impressions. That says a lot, considering all the variables.

Interestingly, the dude on the left likes the yellow cheapie the best as well, due to feel and sound.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/24/16 01:40 AM)
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#2749329 - 01/24/16 01:51 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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This Abbey Road demo is the best so far in terms of comparing what the Dry switch does on each model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhj4pzVVdpQ

I still like the 320 best, and am OK with the 820 but don't feel a compelling need for it; whereas the 502T green racer model seems to really open up with the Dry switch (though I still feel otherwise that the P90's sound too muffly overall).
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#2749414 - 01/24/16 11:33 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/guitars-basses/el-guitars/eg-rs/#tab=feature
I figure since there are a gazillion pickup combinations for this gorgeous new guitar series, it needs its own thread vs. just being buried in the P90 thread.
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...audio_and_video
Sound samples for each one in the series, provided by Yamaha.


Unfortunately, rather useless demos, due to the persistent belief that we want to hear amp or pedal distortion rather than the pickups themselves.
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#2749416 - 01/24/16 11:53 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Interestingly, the nut width on these is about 1.7", which is slightly wider than most Gibsons; whereas the nut width on the Pacifica series is a measly 1.575", which is about 0.1" narrower than most Fenders and also narrower than the new RevStars.
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#2749426 - 01/24/16 12:29 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Unfortunately, rather useless demos, due to the persistent belief that we want to hear amp or pedal distortion rather than the pickups themselves.


All too common, huh?
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#2749430 - 01/24/16 12:38 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Yeah, I mostly felt they were the only demos to have any difference in the dry vs. non-dry setting. Not sure how Yamaha chose that term either; it appears to be some sort of treble cut feature, like on a Fender Jaguar.

There are many good demos; I didn't want to take the time to link them all, and they are easily found on utube. Surprised how many already, but it's due to this series having already been released a bit earlier in other markets (esp. UK/Europe).


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/24/16 12:38 PM)
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#2749431 - 01/24/16 12:38 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Unfortunately, rather useless demos, due to the persistent belief that we want to hear amp or pedal distortion rather than the pickups themselves.


All too common, huh?


I just don't get it.
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#2749446 - 01/24/16 01:56 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Scott Fraser]
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They look real nice to me for the dollars. I actually liked the low end model for $399, I am a big fan of cheapo guitars.
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#2749460 - 01/24/16 02:42 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: desertbluesman]
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The low end model reminds me of a Les Paul Jr., even though it has two pickups. Maybe due to the poster paint colors, which I love.
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#2749572 - 01/25/16 01:42 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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#2749592 - 01/25/16 05:24 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: harvey]
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I have always liked Yamaha guitars. Excellent build quality and superior playability at reasonable prices.

I own an LS16M acoustic ($700 new) and strongly believe that it compares very favorably with the Martin 000-18 at more than three times the price!
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#2750496 - 01/28/16 05:40 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Fred_C]
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these are on my radar for sure, but what really blew my mind was the new thr100d head and cab. i previously owned a dg100 and was blown away by how awesome an amp it was seeing it was hardly known in the line 6 age.
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#2750502 - 01/28/16 05:56 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
In some ways, this less-annoying-than-usual demo from Andertons helps show the differences the best, as they pair them up two at a time in two-guitar role music -- though one uses a Marshall while the other uses a Fender amp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VejDWeBti2c

It's funny though, that the demos keep reinforcing my first impressions. That says a lot, considering all the variables.

Interestingly, the dude on the left likes the yellow cheapie the best as well, due to feel and sound.


the Captain and Chappers are my favorite demo dudes. Rob Chapman used to do demos for Orange. their demo on the Ibanez 25th anniversary RG models is hilarious.
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#2750516 - 01/28/16 06:34 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Guitarzan]
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I kinda' like the Andertons demos. They are often IMO entertaining as well as informative.

I have always enjoyed Brit himor.
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#2750520 - 01/28/16 07:08 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Fred_C]
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i also love Brit humor. i am happy to discover Black Books is now on netflix. Bill Bailey has some seriously funny musical standup vids as well.
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#2796214 - 08/14/16 02:35 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Guitarzan]
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Holy cow, the RevStar RS502T with P90's is an AMAZING guitar! I may buy one.

For some reason, Yamaha uses their own P90's in this one; whereas the P90-equipped pacifica models use Seymour Duncan SP90's. Apparently the Yamaha ones are voiced to be more traditional mid-50's, and certainly that's how they sound to me!

I tried it yesterday through a custom maroon Princeton reissue, but as a sanity check, tried a Jazzmaster through it as well, and it sucked, so I don't think the amp was just making everything sound good. I'll try it through a Fender Deluxe on a return visit though, bring my Pacifica to compare the neck P90's, and also compare to an SG 2016 Standard P90 T model that they have (though the RevStar is a bit more like an LP than an SG).

I went back to a bunch of videos today, and realized that the RS502T has the most personality, versatility, focus, and punch of any of the models; while the RS820 top-of-line model has the most clarity and shimmer (but doesn't sound distinct vs. a gazillion other humbucking guitars).

I'll also compare against the RS820 when I have more time; I was rushed yesterday due to a gig. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy this gorgeous racing green model, which also has a tailpiece that can be flexed for mild tremolo effect.

Oh, BTW the dry switch makes a HUGE difference on this guitar, despite what people say in on-line demos. As I am primarily a bassist, my sensitivity to low frequencies is better than most guitarists, so I think it was easier for me to notice how the dry switch makes this guitar more studio-ready.

What's great about the dry switch is that it doesn't colour the sound; the timbre doesn't change. It's simply like a high pass filter applied BEFORE the recording stage instead of at the mixing stage. And this helps with headroom and amp clarity.

Oh, as for neck feel, I personally LOVE it, feeling that it is a nice compromise between a typical 50's neck (my favourite) and a 60's neck. It doesn't suffer from that modern trend towards flat necks that don't support the palm (I guess modern metal players are mostly tappers aren't they?).


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/14/16 02:40 PM)
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#2796215 - 08/14/16 02:47 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Hah, I just looked up the amp that I used for the trial run, and this special GC-only custom edition of the '65 Princeton replaces the 10" speaker with a 12" speaker similar to that of the Fender Deluxe Reverb '65 reissue.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender/Limit...eaux-Reserve.gc

Anyway, I thought it important to let people know what I tried the RevStar through, as that can affect how one interprets the feedback on how things sounded.

I tried a lot of playing styles and was surprised how well it took to material that one identifies with Gretsch, as well as jazz, and even ES-335 or Casino type parts.

Oh, about the speaker again: The Bordeaux Edition of the Princeton '65 uses a Jensen P12Q; whereas the Deluxe Reverb '65 uses a Jensen C12K.

That's a pretty big difference as one is ceramic and the other is alnico. So maybe this experience was closer to my hand-wired Vox AC30 with Alnico Blue 12" speaker, which explains why it sounded so creamy.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/14/16 02:52 PM)
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#2796447 - 08/15/16 02:36 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The Pacifica and RevStar sound nothing at all like each other, but I didn't expect they would in spite of some similar specs -- even if only due to scale length.

As reported in the P90 thread, the SG with P90's sounded too ice picky to me. It's a great guitar with a high quality neck, but pretty similar to my Firebird in most regards. I've always been curious about P90's in an SG, but now I know.

I tried the 700-series RevStar with the Bigsby and the Gretsch-style pickups, but hated the particular Bigsby on that model as it either wasn't calibrated or simply is only capable of reacting on huge thrusts vs. the usual subtlety I expect from a Bigsby.

The RS820 is a very professional instrument. Too clinical for my tastes, and not distinguished vs. my other guitars so redundant for me personally, but a great recommendation for someone who'd rather spend $1500 than save up $3000 for Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul models. The humbuckers sounded more 60's than 50's.

Certainly, the higher-end Yamaha RevStars are more professional all around, with locking tuners etc., but the RS502T connects with me, has personality galore, and is unique in so many ways (e.g. the tailpiece bridge). It has a bit of Gretsch to it, but with a nice wide neck. Overall, I think it is closest to a '54 Les Paul with P90's.

I would have walked out of the store with the RS502T, except that I did a careful inspection and decided it had way too much shop wear. Places where the top is detented, paint chipping away, scratches, etc.

Although I realize an on-line order could be hit-or-miss, I have trusted vendors I work with when it comes to "hard-to-find" brands like Yamaha (why are their better guitars and basses mostly on-line only?) -- especially Kraft Music, as they also package nice cases and bags for their guitars and keyboards at no extra charge.

American Musical Supply and their alternate brand name Zzounds show you the exact copy by serial number, and I think they're now carrying this line as well.

I'm in no rush now that I know I'm not going to buy the floor model at full price. :-)


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/15/16 02:39 PM)
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#2796454 - 08/15/16 02:58 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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...I might have pointed out the wear and negotiated for a better price...
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#2796537 - 08/15/16 10:55 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Thanks, Mark..I'm watching these guitars with interest so keep the reviews coming smile

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#2796550 - 08/16/16 01:39 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: harvey]
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Glad this is helping people, as these are hard guitars to find... though not as hard as the higher-end (still mid-range though) Pacifica models or especially the excellent BB-bass series (only the crappy RBX basses are easy to find).

Given that GC has no oversight anymore, got rid of the door guard, is short-staffed and not terribly helpful on the whole (a few exceptions, and they know me well but often are busy), I feel no loyalty anymore to that store as I only trust stuff that hasn't been on the floor anymore, sad to say. Even the Platinum Room isn't guarded so well anymore.

Nevertheless, if it's possible each guitar could be radically different, it's worth considering trying to negotiate for consideration of condition. Yamaha uses CNC now, so I doubt there's much production run variation as there is with Gibson.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/16/16 01:40 AM)
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#2816448 - 11/20/16 03:43 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I now own the RevStar RS502T, and am pleased as punch! The only P90 guitar I might like better is the expensive Gibson ES295 (Scotty Moore's original guitar), or a c. 1954 LP Gold Top with P90's.

It ships with Elixir strings, so I'm going to change those as soon as I decide what I want instead. Definitely needs a thicker gauge than what's on there now.

This guitar mates well with the Fender Bassman reissue amp. I haven't tried it on other amps yet, but this is the combination I'll be using for some tracks on a vocal synth-pop album that I am wrapping up after years on the back burner of backlog projects.

I am liking it best in the pickup blend position, with treble cut nil (that is, tone knob maxed) and not engaging the special filter push-pull switch. It blends really well with other parts and cuts through, with very rich textures and very sensitive to playing nuances.

I really love the neck, and I usually only like vintage 50's necks on most guitars (but not on basses). It's a 13.75" radius, modern "C" shape. Yet it doesn't feel overly flat like a Jackson or an ESP.

This particular one is darker than I'd like; it's almost black. In good light, you can see the green, but it's not like in the on-line pictures. The damaged one at the local GC was much lighter than this one.

The Yamaha gig bag is high quality, with fasteners inside and multiple levels of padding. I may find that it offers better protection than a hardshell case.
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#2816456 - 11/20/16 04:28 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I now own the RevStar RS502T, and am pleased as punch!


Congratulations on scoring this guitar and being so pleased with it!

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The only P90 guitar I might like better is the expensive Gibson ES295 (Scotty Moore's original guitar), or a c. 1954 LP Gold Top with P90's.


I love LOVE love '54/'55/'56 Les Paul-ish axes with P-90 style pickups!

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
It ships with Elixir strings, so I'm going to change those as soon as I decide what I want instead. Definitely needs a thicker gauge than what's on there now.


I very highly recommend DR Pure Blues strings, round-core pure/solid-nickel. My preference on a guitar like yours would be their .011" - .050" set, though you may prefer a set of 10's. They sound and feel PERFECT for such guitars. They're the only strings I'll put on my Les Paul, and they were fantastic with the one I used to have that had P-90 soap-bars on it.
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#2816551 - 11/21/16 06:43 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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My new guitar is Yamaha. I had to have it ordered. I gave it a try because I played a Revstar in the store and it felt good and I thought the fret job was pretty decent. The overall build was good so I rolled the dice on a PAC611 and love that guitar.


Edited by CEB (11/21/16 06:43 AM)
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#2816565 - 11/21/16 08:05 AM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: CEB]
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@ Mark and CEB, Congrats on the new Yamahas...Glad to hear that you both made some cool purchases and love those guitars! cool
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#2816841 - 11/22/16 03:47 PM Re: New guitar series from Yamaha Revstar inspired by 60's bikes [Re: Larryz]
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Yeah, I got the Pacifica first because I wanted a P90 guitar (it uses a humbucker in the bridge, which is commonly done to cut harshness as P90's don't always work so well in that position).

I think I have the same model as you, but can't check from work. I may sell it now though as I like the P90 in the RevStar better, and otherwise the Pacifica is sort of a Strat, which for me is redundant.

Thanks for the recommendation on strings.
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