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#2734292 - 11/12/15 04:52 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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I hear ya on the value of muddling through what a teacher assigns. A true, dedicated student has to be humble - no way around that, really. A lot of thankless drudge work goes into becoming great in anything, I hear ya.

So if I get a teacher you're saying I should just be extracting musical knowledge - my gold for your golden knowledge? You encourage a laser-like focus on transferring technical musical skills? What you're basically talking about is learning musical theory, right, or can you be more specific?

I agree with this idea, and it actually is motivating me to consider perhaps possibly maybe getting a teacher one day in the undetermined future.

Because I would like to get from A to B the fastest (as we all do), I don't really see your other ideas as controversial:

The motivation and heart has to come from within, especially as I'm an adult. Technique - this is not really something which takes very long to instruct, as it's practice through application. Perhaps you can teach "groove", but that is really something you also have to perfect on your own. It's partly innate, but it's also partly you just sitting at home and playing the unchanging bassline from "Funky Good Time" by James Brown for the entire 10 minutes over and over and digging it every time. And it's the living thing you construct with the drummer which always changes.

That's a real outside-the-box concept, to take "bass lessons" from a trumpet player.
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#2734307 - 11/12/15 06:47 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: ZZ Thorn]
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Originally Posted By: ZZ Thorn


I would like to get from A to B the fastest (as we all do), I don't really see your other ideas as controversial:

Perhaps you can teach "groove", but that is really something you also have to perfect on your own.

That's a real outside-the-box concept, to take "bass lessons" from a trumpet player.


I kept three portions of your comments to address.

1. It is not a reasonable goal to get from A to B as quickly as possible. This isn't the meaning of what practicing is. Plus, it won't happen for most players this way. Music lessons as in any academic approach in any subject takes time to learn. Your wish to get from A to B in the fastest way possible interferes with the learning process which, at its most efficient can be described as "You'll Get There When You Get There!" Besides, you might be amazed to find out that learning music-only IS the fastest way to get from A to B because it was designed to do exactly this thing, that is, to precisely direct students into practicing musical material that requires developing knowledge of music and instrument to play.

2. Regarding teaching groove, it would be good to point out that when looking into the history of other teachers of the past that taught it, I couldn't find one teacher. Further, I couldn't find one bass player in the top echelon that claims to have learned how to groove in their particular style in a school or from a teacher. This tells me that the ability to groove must have been acquired elsewhere. It has! It only was developed via the self taught experience. I am open to know if anyone can contribute names of players that learned in school how to groove. It would help to support the idea that groove can be taught instead of being learned for free via the self taught experience as I feel that it always is.

3. Finally your thought that it is outside the box to take lessons from a trumpet player (your example of a non-bass teacher teaching a bass player) actually has a lot of precedence to it. The late great Charlie Banacos, a piano player, taught horn players, guitarists, and bass players for decades before passing away. Lennie Tristano, also a pianist, taught all kinds of instrumentalists. Dennis Sandole, a guitarist taught John Coltrane, a sax player. The list is long of players of one instrument teaching music to players of other instruments.


Edited by Jeff Berlin (11/13/15 08:31 AM)

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#2734323 - 11/12/15 08:31 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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Well here's an interesting conundrum that I never thought to put in front of a longtime player...

I had to quit playing bass entirely a couple years ago because of chronic tennis elbow that still hasn't let up (because I do side work typing, which also aggravates it)

Have you ever had that sort of injury as a result of playing bass, and if so, how did you handle it?

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#2734327 - 11/12/15 09:09 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Griffinator]
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Sorry to hear about this. I've played concerts and have done tours for decades playing complicated music, often at high tempos and reasonably high volume. I never, not once, had an injury to my hands because I learned long ago to relax them when I play, to let my equipment do the hard work while I simply pluck and finger the notes in a reasonably delicate manner.

I certainly have no advice about how you might fix your injury. this. But, I DO have thoughts about how to prevent these injuries!

It is best to play one's instrument where the action is lowered, where maybe the strings are slightly smaller gauges, where one's bass neck is straightened, where the angle of the neck is not extreme, where and how one places their hands on the neck, the severity of the angle of the wrist when plucking the strings and finally where one doesn't pluck too hard. Finally, just turn up your amp and let it carry the power necessary to convey the feel of your playing. Bass players often get this wrong, to think that if they are plucking hard then they are playing with feeling. Plucking hard is just an overplaying of the instrument. Playing with feeling simply means that one feels and emotes as they play. It really is this simple.

I suspect that if you treat your ailment via a doctor's advise, and if you play by turning up your amp and accommodate your injury in the ways that I suggested above, you should be OK.

Stretching one's hands and arms, while feeling good, actually don't prevent hand or arm injuries. Not creating them in the first place is! For what it is worth, I can't locate a documented suggestion from any teacher anywhere in music history where stretching was suggested to prevent injuries to the hands while playing. This belief was, unfortunately, invented by bass teachers which was accepted by other players.

Get treatment, and lower your bass action, turn up your amp, shorten your bass strap so that your bass hangs higher on your body, get lighter strings (such as .040 .060 .080 .100) and pluck softly. Good luck. You just might get bass playing back into your life. I hope so.


Edited by Jeff Berlin (11/13/15 08:36 AM)

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#2734384 - 11/13/15 08:09 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: ZZ Thorn]
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Originally Posted By: ZZ Thorn
How do I improve my ear and what do you think I should practice?


Hey, if you want to get an idea of what Jeff thinks you should practice, you should check out Jeff's lessons on Youtube. I have been studying these videos for a while now, and they have definitely improved my playing. Here are links:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzds7Da7sy6-Ac6OoIs7Vg/videos

Also check out these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ba9wBOqD9o&list=PL9MrUbhvEMr3_KK0SvCMUf92UAnUBbaiP&index=2

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#2734399 - 11/13/15 09:08 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: lug]
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Originally Posted By: lug

... When I play, Black Holes can only stare in amazement. My instruments squeal in terror when I open their cases. The only time I'm allowed to play on stage is at closing time if a bar is having trouble getting their drunken patrons to leave. Often exterminator companies hire me when their most powerful chemicals fail to rid an establishment if a difficult infestation problem. The best song I ever played was when I accidently dropped my bass down the stairs. The fact that I play in this galaxy keeps other galaxies in constant terror of a Lug invasion. My best songs will put animals off their feed for weeks. If I play at a funeral, I really hated the dead person...


This might actually be the greatest thing I've ever read, written by anyone ever.
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#2734417 - 11/13/15 10:18 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: jcadmus]
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Originally Posted By: jcadmus
Originally Posted By: lug

... When I play, Black Holes can only stare in amazement. My instruments squeal in terror when I open their cases. The only time I'm allowed to play on stage is at closing time if a bar is having trouble getting their drunken patrons to leave. Often exterminator companies hire me when their most powerful chemicals fail to rid an establishment if a difficult infestation problem. The best song I ever played was when I accidently dropped my bass down the stairs. The fact that I play in this galaxy keeps other galaxies in constant terror of a Lug invasion. My best songs will put animals off their feed for weeks. If I play at a funeral, I really hated the dead person...


This might actually be the greatest thing I've ever read, written by anyone ever.


I only wish I still had a copy of my treatise on the proper way to boil stings. frown
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#2734424 - 11/13/15 11:04 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: jcadmus]
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Originally Posted By: jcadmus
Originally Posted By: lug

... When I play, Black Holes can only stare in amazement. My instruments squeal in terror when I open their cases. The only time I'm allowed to play on stage is at closing time if a bar is having trouble getting their drunken patrons to leave. Often exterminator companies hire me when their most powerful chemicals fail to rid an establishment if a difficult infestation problem. The best song I ever played was when I accidently dropped my bass down the stairs. The fact that I play in this galaxy keeps other galaxies in constant terror of a Lug invasion. My best songs will put animals off their feed for weeks. If I play at a funeral, I really hated the dead person...


This might actually be the greatest thing I've ever read, written by anyone ever.

Yes. Yes, it is. It makes me realize that I suck at sucking.
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#2734426 - 11/13/15 11:13 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Groove Mama]
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Originally Posted By: Groove Mama
Originally Posted By: jcadmus
Originally Posted By: lug

... When I play, Black Holes can only stare in amazement. My instruments squeal in terror when I open their cases. The only time I'm allowed to play on stage is at closing time if a bar is having trouble getting their drunken patrons to leave. Often exterminator companies hire me when their most powerful chemicals fail to rid an establishment if a difficult infestation problem. The best song I ever played was when I accidently dropped my bass down the stairs. The fact that I play in this galaxy keeps other galaxies in constant terror of a Lug invasion. My best songs will put animals off their feed for weeks. If I play at a funeral, I really hated the dead person...


This might actually be the greatest thing I've ever read, written by anyone ever.

Yes. Yes, it is. It makes me realize that I suck at sucking.


I would be glad to give you tips on some of the finer points of Sucking (anti-theory, atonality, groovelessness, non-beat, etc.) but this is obviously not the thread for that. Let's keep focused on Mr. Berlin's desire to help bassists ..."shivers"....improve their playing.


Edited by lug (11/13/15 11:14 AM)
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#2734498 - 11/13/15 07:50 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: lug]
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It looks that what I have to offer might not be wanted here. Good luck to everyone. I wish you well with your musical endeavors.

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#2734503 - 11/13/15 10:04 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Berlin
It looks that what I have to offer might not be wanted here. Good luck to everyone. I wish you well with your musical endeavors.


Don't take it that way. Lug is playing the humorous foil here.

For what it's worth, I've been told by several doctors that the only cure for my problem is to literally just stop using my right hand for anything at all until it heals, and they have no idea how long that will take - could be weeks, could be months...

Regardless, I think the biggest trouble I had with playing bass was the same trouble I had playing keys (which I also had to give up) - my tendency to be more aggressive with my playing - hitting notes harder and such - was a big problem, where doing so while playing a guitar was no big deal because of the picking motion versus the plucking motion.

I tried playing bass with a pick to alleviate it, but that just gave me wrist problems on top of the elbow issue.

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#2734535 - 11/14/15 06:08 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Griffinator]
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Originally Posted By: Griffinator


Don't take it that way. Lug is playing the humorous foil here.


There's a reason his handle is "Lug."
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#2734555 - 11/14/15 07:38 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Griffinator]
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Originally Posted By: Griffinator
- my tendency to be more aggressive with my playing - hitting notes harder and such - was a big problem,


I get it. Crank the amp up. Like, a lot. But wait till after you're all healed.
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#2734579 - 11/14/15 10:07 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Paul K]
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I know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for skill in bassists, I can tell you I don't have any. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you rejoin the forum now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will make you laugh.
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#2734580 - 11/14/15 10:08 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Paul K]
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Not a volume problem, Paul, a problem with the music affecting me emotionally, which then translates into my fingers as "big note here - BAM!" wink

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#2734589 - 11/14/15 10:26 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Griffinator]
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Jeff, you will find that this is a very light hearted community - and I use the word community with great intention. We talk about our music and things that are technical in nature and important to our art. But we also share common experiences and to the extent we can online, have developed personal relationships. So of course humor and off-topic banter comes into play. Much of the humor is sarcastic in nature, and quite honestly, a lot of fun. I can only speak for myself, but this isn't just a resource for technical information, it's social media by it's very definition. On facebook, I have some musician friends on there, but there's also a whole lot of other stuff going on. On here, it's just musicians. We joke, poke a little fun sometimes, and talk about other things besides just playing bass. But it's better here th Lifyplace else because of the things we all have in common.

I hope you'll stick around and continue to offer your insights that will be helpful for all of us to grow as players. I also hope you'll feel comfortable mixing a little pleasure with the business. Life is short. Let's all enjoy it!



Now, hoping you're still around and can answer something for me...related to your previous response. I DO have formal music training - many years on piano and sax, both classical and jazz training. I learned bass "by ear" but already with a very firm musical background. To your point, much of the vast improvement I've made just in the last year is really getting comfortable knowing my way around the entire fretboard. So I think I know where you're coming from. I've watched some of your videos where you dig a little more into sort of styles of bass lines to play for different genres and what to do or not do. As a keyboard player, I'm very familiar with playing left hand bass on the keys. Of course, usually at the end of the day, the bass line I would play LH on keys would typically be different than I would play on the Bass. Most of this is due strictly to the mechanics of playing the different instruments. Intervals that are easy on the bass are difficult on the keys. Hand positions on the bass make for some pretty natural scale progressions.

I wonder if you could expand a bit on this topic.....basic music theory vs strictly bass. Since you've been stressing the importance of the music theory portion.


Edited by J. Dan (11/14/15 10:31 AM)
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#2734663 - 11/14/15 06:07 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Griffinator]
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Originally Posted By: Griffinator
Not a volume problem, Paul, a problem with the music affecting me emotionally, which then translates into my fingers as "big note here - BAM!" wink


Right. But if the volume is cranked high enough, you won't be able to hit the big note here BAM without it being totally out of context. After the third time everyone gives you the stink eye for popping the pop too loud, you'll readjust your inner BAM.

"Your Inner BAM" is not a good name for a band.
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#2734673 - 11/14/15 08:16 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Paul K]
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Jeff, I hope you stick around.

I loved reading your columns in Bass Player when I was younger because you said things that made absolute sense, stuck with me, and as I played more and more gigs with more and more people they struck me as absolute truths:

1) Learning to play music doesn't have any "shortcuts" or "quick tricks."

2) Really studying your instrument means studying how music works more often than the technique of how to play it.

3) Studying the language of music does nothing to stifle your creativity any more than studying the language of English does.

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#2734711 - 11/15/15 06:19 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: BenLoy]
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Originally Posted By: BenLoy
Jeff, I hope you stick around.

I loved reading your columns in Bass Player when I was younger because you said things that made absolute sense, stuck with me, and as I played more and more gigs with more and more people they struck me as absolute truths:

1) Learning to play music doesn't have any "shortcuts" or "quick tricks."

2) Really studying your instrument means studying how music works more often than the technique of how to play it.

3) Studying the language of music does nothing to stifle your creativity any more than studying the language of English does.


Right on.
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#2735506 - 11/18/15 03:36 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Paul K]
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Hey Jeff! Welcome to the Lowdown. I've read a fair amount of your columns from BP back in "The Day". And truth be told, there was one thing that you wrote about that I found to be a HUGE difference maker.

IIRC, you had written about your time playing with Yes (or perhaps Anderson Bruford Wakeman & Howe). You had muted your signal chain to tune before the band started playing "Roundabout". And as I recall, I think you had forgotten to unmute yourself. As the story goes, you didn't clumsily unmute and jump into the tune right then and there, but you came in very deliberately at a musically appropriate point. That made the mistake of being muted come across much less like a mistake and more like a conscious musical choice. Mind you, I think you wrote this almost 20 years ago, but the idea stuck with me.

Fast forward to this past summer. I was at a jam session north of NYC, and there are some serious players on stage. The guy leading the set is very much into himself and isn't paying attention to the fact that I'm still tuning and haven't plugged in to the amp. I hate to do this, but I gotta name drop because this was really kind of cool. I was up on stage with former NY Yankees center fielder Bernie Williams. Bernie's a great guy, and an extremely talented guitarist. Well, the number that got called was kind of a funky blues, and Bernie launched into the rhythm guitar part in a very cool way while I was still tuning and trying to get plugged in. What I think was so cool was that he noticed that I was struggling to get set up quickly, so he deliberately played a grooving rhythm part. So what comes to mind for me? Your lesson from the BP column back in "The Day" came to mind, and I waited for the IV chord. When I came in? Damn, what a much more musically powerful thing to do.

For that lesson about waiting for the right moment to come in, I thank you!
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#2735668 - 11/19/15 09:08 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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Hi Jeff, met you briefly at a clinic you did at The Vox Box, a music store in Marshall, MO some years back. Welcome aboard!
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#2735718 - 11/19/15 10:41 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: picker]
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Uh, I get the feeling Jeff has left us and isn't coming back. He didn't seem to quite get our unique collective sense of humor here.

Hope I'm wrong, though.

Jeff, if you're listening, c'mon back.
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#2735734 - 11/19/15 11:53 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Groove Mama]
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Originally Posted By: Groove Mama
Uh, I get the feeling Jeff has left us and isn't coming back. He didn't seem to quite get our unique collective sense of humor here.

Hope I'm wrong, though.

Jeff, if you're listening, c'mon back.

Well, no offense to Jeff -- I have great respect for him as an artist and educator.

But frankly, this is the sort of thing that's gotten him a reputation for being a bit difficult.
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#2735884 - 11/20/15 06:53 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: jcadmus]
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let's face it, we are the hoi polloi.
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#2736097 - 11/21/15 06:50 AM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Richard W]
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Originally Posted By: Richard W
let's face it, we are the hoi polloi.



No, not really. Things got far more heated leading up to Jeff's departure from TalkBass. This was mild in comparison, but it does seem like Jeff was trying to make some strides forward in how he deals with an online instruction type of environment. I think he just didn't grasp the bizarre sense of humor that's pervasive at the Lowdown. Plus, the other thread that Jeff bumped up didn't help things either.
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#2737049 - 11/25/15 12:09 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Nicklab]
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Hi to All! Many thanks for your thoughts and comments. I did leave this forum as I wanted to help people with their playing. What I felt was that the form of humor that happens here didn't seem to gel with my wish to make musical contributions. I mentioned to a couple of guys that it might be better if they got more into a musical mind so that we could relate on important musical educational issues. But my comments (at that time anyway) seemed to make little impact. I respect people wishing to conduct their forum the way that they wish to, but, I didn't want to be a part of this kind of interaction. So, with no criticism of anyone and, in fact, wishing people well, I said goodbye.

jcadmus's comment that my leaving this forum is what got my reputation as being difficult seems an unfair statement. I simply stopped showing up for my own reasons and blamed no one. But, after two years in deep therapy starting at age 60, I recognize my flaws of the past and work to improve myself and how I relate with people. I learned from my mistakes. So, with an old reputation created brick by brick, now is my time to relate differently with people.

It would be good to still state that bass education isn't healthy and in truth, is in a very bad way in my opinion. In the past it was comments like this one that caused some to be unhappy with my thoughts. So, if you would like to discuss this as it might pertain to yourselves, I would be pleased to chat about it.

Thank you again for your clear thoughts and I am happy to speak of bass and music with you if you would like this. Regards, Jeff


Edited by Jeff Berlin (11/25/15 12:40 PM)

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#2737083 - 11/25/15 02:24 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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Glad you came back! I personally don't see it as an either/or concept but you have to decide what's right and comfortable for you.

(Lug's one serious post of the year)
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#2737121 - 11/25/15 05:37 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Berlin


jcadmus's comment that my leaving this forum is what got my reputation as being difficult seems an unfair statement.

Perhaps, but you'll have to admit it did appear to fit that old pattern. Nevertheless, it's great to hear that you're trying to grow and evolve as both an artist and a human being -- when those we admire for their artistry demonstrate that they remain committed to improving themselves it encourages us that we can do the same.

We hope you'll stay, contribute, and share with us what you know.
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#2737139 - 11/25/15 07:44 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: lug]
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Originally Posted By: lug
Glad you came back! I personally don't see it as an either/or concept but you have to decide what's right and comfortable for you.

(Lug's one serious post of the year)


I don't see it as either/or either! I did see that a manner of interaction on this thread, a thread that I personally started for the purpose of hopefully enlightening bassists about the merits of good practice and regarding of great musical information, was already heading toward something less musically focusd than I would have liked. jcadmus saw it as an old attitude simply for leaving. I just wasn't sure with whom I was dealing with here.

Let's see how things go. I have a lot to share if people want to discuss bass and music. Thanks for everyone being here!


Edited by Jeff Berlin (11/25/15 08:08 PM)

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#2737146 - 11/25/15 09:00 PM Re: Hi From Jeff Berlin. Let's Hang! [Re: Jeff Berlin]
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I did post a question a while back but it probably got overlooked since it was after you bowed out and there have been a lot of posts since.

I do have quite a bit of musical education from all of the years I took piano. I had both Jazz and Classical instruction on the piano, as well as Jazz instruction on the Sax before I ever picked up the bass. Still, just due to the mechanics of e instrument itself, I would play bass lines differently on the Bass than I would playing left hand bass on the piano. So despite having the same music theory background, there ARE differences in the instruments that impact what you can/can't play and certain things that just work naturally better on one or the other. I guess I'm trying to fully understand specifically what we should be learning "instead" of the "bass".
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