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Thinking about a 5-string... #2729191 10/20/15 02:52 PM
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I'm in need of a low D occasionally, and playing in an upper register just doesn't cut it. Don't want to spend a fortune, but, hey, I haven't added to the harem in a while.

http://www.talkbass.com/threads/carvin-lb75-mahogany-and-ebony.1157872/

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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: Groove Mama] #2729194 10/20/15 03:02 PM
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I picked up a Squier five-stringer earlier this year. Squiers are made by Fender, but are designed and marketed as a less expensive intro-level type of instrument. There's a Squier Affinity model, which is really cheap and a Squier Vintage model which is a little more expensive. I got an Affinity for $200 brand new.

It sounds great, and would definitely be a good extra bass to have on hand for those occasions you need a low D.

My only problem is that I'm still not facile on a five-string and thus far have not devoted enough time to playing it to get comfortable.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: Richard W] #2729199 10/20/15 03:21 PM
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The other option would be to add something like a hipshot to do drop D on your 4-string.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: J. Dead] #2729204 10/20/15 04:02 PM
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I played 4 string fretless only for 6 years or so, then got a fretted 5 and gigged it the same day.
This is not widely recommended.
Played the 5 only for another decade or so, then got a 4 string Jazz and then a P bass with a Hipshot detuner.

I find that, besides the thunderous goodness of the low B, the Hipshot gets me close enough.
YMMV and all that.

If you are sold on a Carvin, look around the used market. Carvin basses, while not my cup of bass, are well made and really float some people's floating things, and often have low resale value.
This means a good deal may await you.

Happy hunting!



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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: wraub] #2729221 10/20/15 05:01 PM
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I'd give that Carvin a shot. I have had positive experiences with other Carvin products, always wanted one of their basses, and have those same pickups in my Schecter T5. Like Wraub mentioned, their resale price doesn't always keep up with the quality of their products. That's a good price, in my opinion, for a used Carvin in good shape. Looks like the upgrades he made were done well.

Having played both 4-stringers with a Hipshot detuner, and 5 strings, I prefer the 5 stringer. Minor learning curve for muscle memory, but less mental re-training than when you use the Hipshot.

Just my 2 cents, ma'am.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: Danzilla] #2729260 10/20/15 07:34 PM
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Hi M'ma!

I have 4 axes but only ONE 5er: a Peavey Fury-V, and I love it. I think their Millennium Series is pretty much the same as the Fury. Robb (rumpelstiltskin) could tell you more about this I guess...

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Try a Yamaha TRBX.

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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: The Geoff] #2729347 10/21/15 04:25 AM
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Go for a 5-string. I switched from 4 to 5 after roughly two years of playing, and played 5 exclusively for around 10 years. Then, almost on a whim I decided to get a 4-string Squier Precision bass. It took some relearning but now I can switch between the two with no hassle whatsoever.

I really don't care what anyone else says: a 5-string is just a 4-string with one more string. It takes a little while for your hands to adjust but if you choose wisely (i.e. not too wide a neck / string spacing) the transition should go smoothly.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: J. Dead] #2729391 10/21/15 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
The other option would be to add something like a hipshot to do drop D on your 4-string.

I could never get the hang of the whole drop D thing -- drove me nuts. Got my first five, and said "ah, that's better."

Lots of good choices -- I was very happy with my first five-string, an entry-level Ibanez EX445.

Totally digging my Music Man Stingray5 -- it's a beast. I know GM likes Music Man basses, and the Sterling version of the SR5 is priced around $800.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: jcadmus] #2729400 10/21/15 12:06 PM
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Maybe try a Sire Marcus Miller? I would love to get my hands on one, but my main Fender is already a MM signature model smile And I am not THAT big a fan grin


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: EddiePlaysBass] #2729721 10/22/15 02:00 PM
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The cheapest route is to buy a low B string and restring one of your basses to BEAD. Since most of my basses are 5 stringers, of course I'm all for getting one. I'm not too familiar with Carvin basses but it's probably not bad. I was pleasantly surprised by a Squier affinity jazz 5er a while back that I almost bought and would recommend as a low budget alternative.


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Me Thinks.

Cool bass at a great price. I owned a 1986-ish Carvin guitar; it was well made, played great, etc. So if it doesn't work out, you should be able to flip it without losing much. No blood, no foul.

Years ago I had Hip Shot detuner. Hated it, and did not cry when it broke.

On 5 stringers in general...low B. Not much experience with them: I didn't play mine much until I strung it with a high C. The low B didn't sing with my gear...sounded like a fart and I wasn't willing to cart around the gear that would fix that. But I dig your need for a low D. If I had my way, all guitars and basses would tune down a full step. (I don't know if that would piss off the horn players if we all took it down a full step, but most vocalists would dig a the lower key) If I didn't play guitar, read bass clef, etc. I'd just tune my bass DGCF and see what happens. If you're playing mostly blues and stuff by ear, then it'd be an easy switcheroo. You might need a slightly fatter gauge string to pull it off well, but it'd sure be fun when someone borrows your bass at a jam session and you keep the tuning under your hat.... You've got more than one bass. So maybe set a trend. We'll call it "Groove M" tuning.


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: EddiePlaysBass] #2729963 10/23/15 12:20 PM
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If you get a 5er, you will hit some wrong notes at first and then you'll get used to it. You'll find that you can play in keys like F and Bb across the neck instead of constantly jumping from the first fret to the fifth. I played a 5 string exclusively for quite a few years and then went back to a four string (which a detuner peg). I will use the detuner to hit a low D or Eb when it's the last note of a song and once in a while to play something that is transposed down to D from E. That takes a little thinking not to screw up the part.
Nowadays I only use my 5 string in one of the bands I play with that seems to play most songs in D minor.

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I would check out the Ibanez sr series they are very playable light and great sounding basses! As Jeremy says there will be a few bum notes/strange harmonies till you get on it but it will come ok. The advantage a 5 string has over a detuner is that the scale shapes remain the same and you will have 2 octaves handy under your fingers.

I bought my first 6 on a Tuesday and gigged that Saturday, I've never really looked back that was 13 years ago! Go for it!!

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Originally Posted By: Seamy ALB

I bought my first 6 on a Tuesday and gigged that Saturday, I've never really looked back that was 13 years ago! Go for it!!

To quote that Zen philosopher-poet Tom Hamilton: I used to think five-string basses were for eggheads. Now I think six-string basses are for eggheads.


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I don't care what y'all say- I find the Hipshot detuner, at times, more useful than a fiver. I have a 5 string bass (2 actually) and the one with the detuner gets the most play by far.
Might just be because it's a P bass, though...



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Originally Posted By: wraub
I don't care what y'all say- I find the Hipshot detuner, at times, more useful than a fiver. I have a 5 string bass (2 actually) and the one with the detuner gets the most play by far.
Might just be because it's a P bass, though...


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I "need" the B string even though I seldom venture below the 3rd fret D. Mainly for the reason Jeremy mentioned above: being able to play across the strings rather than changing positions.

I doubt I have enough brain cells left deal with a D-Tuner or dropped D tuning.

The only problem I've had with 5-string instruments is finding string sets with a B that balances with the E and A strings. The B in most sets is way too thin for my taste.

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This would be out of the budget of the OP, but I always liked the Kubicki X Factor Bass. It's a pretty clever way to extend the range down to D without changing the tuning of that string. Plus they're a joy to play. I came real close to buying one from a friend a few years back.


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I've really come to appreciate Carvin basses. My Vanquish V49K has the Hipshot detuner but really haven't used it yet but will soon. I currently don't own a bass with a low B since my two fives, fretted and fretless are tuned E-C. I'm only using the fives for playing jazz tunes and have really started digging playing fours again.

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I kept the 5er and sold the 4 (mostly because I had a really good offer for it). Love having the extra range. I did think about restringing the 4 BEAD - would have worked because I don't ever get way up on the frets on the high string anyhow. My Epi Les Paul 5 bass neck is a bit wider, but not enough to be a bother.

Since you have multiple basses, changing one to BEAD tuning would be a low priced way of finding out. You will have to make the slots in the nut a bit wider for the larger strings. Hint: buy an extra nut for the bass you change in case you want to restring it EADG.

The time it is really useful is when you are playing with a horn band or in a church band where a lot of songs are in Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, etc.


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Originally Posted By: WCriley
I "need" the B string even though I seldom venture below the 3rd fret D. Mainly for the reason Jeremy mentioned above: being able to play across the strings rather than changing positions.



Yup.


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Originally Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys


The time it is really useful is when you are playing with a horn band or in a church band where a lot of songs are in Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, etc.

Also, too yup.


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Originally Posted By: jcadmus
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I bought my first 6 on a Tuesday and gigged that Saturday, I've never really looked back that was 13 years ago! Go for it!!

To quote that Zen philosopher-poet Tom Hamilton: I used to think five-string basses were for eggheads. Now I think six-string basses are for eggheads.


Tom is right! LOL

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Does this sound like a deal for $160? New is 199.99.

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Originally Posted By: Groove Mama
Does this sound like a deal for $160? New is 199.99.


that's the exact model I bought. You can't go wrong.


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Originally Posted By: Groove Mama
Does this sound like a deal for $160? New is 199.99.


That is the model I tried also. The one caveat is try it before buying as some Squiers can be a bit off, however finding a good one is a real treasure.


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A good deal to dip your toes in the 5-string world? Sure, the Squire's not a big investment to give it a shot. Like b5 pilot says, try before you buy. But that Carvin's a better deal long term. You know you'll want to upgrade from the Squire at some point. Just my opinion.


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And complete with flats! Right on!


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Re: Thinking about a 5-string... [Re: Groove Mama] #2730720 10/27/15 10:19 AM
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If it's 4 years old, I think it is overpriced.


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