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#2689851 - 05/21/15 05:32 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
TomKittel Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
This is all great feedback and the just the kind I expected of the X3. My HX3 midi Expander is a game changer for me and very inspiring. In combination with new the DMC-122 controller, it's an outstanding midi combination and a flexible controller for me. I have it set up to control a huge amount of HX3 parameters of real time.

On the other hand The Keybed on my Hammond SK1 73 which I use only to control the hX3 expander at smaller gigs feels springy and lifeless next to the DMC's wonderful Keybed and it's midi control over the HX3 is rather limited. Markus and I traded emails about that a few days ago...

But now these reviews are also making me seriously consider selling that Sk1 and getting the 1 manual version of the X3 in it's place... Any thoughts, Markus, Tom, Al?


I would sell the SK1. But please wait until I have sold mine!

;-)
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#2689853 - 05/21/15 05:35 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
On the other hand The Keybed on my Hammond SK1 73 which I use only to control the hX3 expander at smaller gigs feels springy and lifeless next to the DMC's wonderful Keybed and it's midi control over the HX3 is rather limited. Markus and I traded emails about that a few days ago...


The SK1/2, Numa, Mojo, Nord Electro 61, Nord C1/C2/C2D, KeybOrgan, Korg CX3, Doepfer DM3 all use the same Fatar TP-8O action as the Crumar DMC. Why some of these are considered to have a much better action must be due to different tensions on the springs. Or?

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#2689856 - 05/21/15 05:42 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
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Hi Dave,

i think we share some problems.....
I too have a wonderful HX3-Midi-Controller sitting in my homestudio (with an HX3-Expander connected) and now the X3-2 in my rehearsal studio for session and live work.

My SK1-73 will collecting dust. My first thought was to keep it as a all in one session board but the pianos are lacking in a lot of areas.
Maybe I should replace it with a Kurzweil Artis 7 (always loved my PC3 in the past) and when it needs to connect my HX-Expander for smaller gigs ???

Hmm, we will see....

The X3-1 is a great board Dave. Here in Germany compared to a 2900 Euro XK3c its a real bargain (and it eats the XK3c for breakfast!).
Compared to the SK1 it has real drawbars (2 sets if you connect another board as lower manual), better outout options (L/R, Aux1/2, 11 Pin), better keybed, better LeslieSim, internal power supply, MUUUUCH better Organ-Engine but no Extra-Sounds.
Any thoughts ?
;-)
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#2689861 - 05/21/15 05:54 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
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Are they using the same Leslie as in my HX3 Expander or have they enhanced it somehow? I still use my Ventilator pedal with the HX3.
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#2689863 - 05/21/15 06:00 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
I still use my Ventilator pedal with the HX3.

Can you please compare the leslie sim of the HX3 to the Vent? How different are they? Why are you still using the Vent?
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#2689872 - 05/21/15 06:51 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G


Hi A.C.,...

The instruments are very well built, "Made In Germany" !!!


Well, I want one, possibly already before I move or some time after I did it.
I won´t have internet for a period of time after the move and my delivery adress will change.
I hoped the Spacestation v3 would be available the same time from Thomann but it isn´t actually.

The UHL online shop isn´t up until now,- how did you order/buy?
What´s the delivery time inside germany when ordering now and do they accept COD when delivered via DHL?
I cannot find any general terms and conditions on their website.
They say next batch available in 5 weeks earliest,- so for me it might be better buying in july anyway.

Originally Posted By: M_G

I combined the Spacestation with a EV (12inch speaker) for more bass response. Very close.
The internal Leslie Sim is amazing. With the Spacestation: WOW!
Thomas has a Spacestation too, I think he would agree !

Grüsse
Markus


Thx for your report,- all great news !

A.C.

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#2689873 - 05/21/15 07:00 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
Al Coda Offline
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Originally Posted By: M_G

... better outout options (L/R, Aux1/2, 11 Pin), ...
but no Extra-Sounds.


Markus,- for me no need of extra sounds, but can you elaborate a bit on the AUX-1 & AUX-2 outputs, please.
I wonder what these are and imagine one of these is probably available for the bass pedal sounds,- but the other ?

I hoped for a configuration of Main Outs L & R and an FX loop (between "pre-amp" and "122 power amp" sims) for wah, ringmod, phasor etc., these running thru the rotary sim via the Main Outs finally.
Is that doable?

A.C.

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#2689874 - 05/21/15 07:05 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Kurt W]
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Originally Posted By: Kurt W
The SK1/2, Numa, Mojo, Nord Electro 61, Nord C1/C2/C2D, KeybOrgan, Korg CX3, Doepfer DM3 all use the same Fatar TP-8O action as the Crumar DMC. Why some of these are considered to have a much better action must be due to different tensions on the springs. Or?


Unless Crumar have radically altered the action on the Mojo since I owned one, I can tell you quite categorically that the action on the Hammond SK series is quite noticeably LESS springy – that being one of the principal reasons I decided to switch to the SK2.
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#2689875 - 05/21/15 07:07 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
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Al,

please contact Wolfgang Uhl directly:
info@uhl-instruments.de

About the Outputs:
Check the HX3-Keyboardpartner site.
The X3 has the HX3 Mainboard plus Extensionboard inside.

No FX-loop, but:
The Extensionboard give technically the possibility to implement a FX loop.
You can ask W.Uhl for a mod....
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#2689877 - 05/21/15 07:15 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
Al Coda Offline
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Originally Posted By: M_G


please contact Wolfgang Uhl directly:
info@uhl-instruments.de

The Extensionboard give technically the possibility to implement a FX loop.
You can ask W.Uhl for a mod...


Thx !

twothumbs

A.C.

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#2689901 - 05/21/15 08:07 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
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I can confirm that there is something about the HX3 module that makes the Fatar keyed of the Mojo feel snappier. I noticed it right away when I first hooked the HX3 up. It makes the black keys feel quite a bit quicker. (I think the Fatar black keys are the real issue on clones…more so than the white keys.)

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#2690051 - 05/21/15 03:02 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Kurt W]
TomKittel Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kurt W
Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
On the other hand The Keybed on my Hammond SK1 73 which I use only to control the hX3 expander at smaller gigs feels springy and lifeless next to the DMC's wonderful Keybed and it's midi control over the HX3 is rather limited. Markus and I traded emails about that a few days ago...


The SK1/2, Numa, Mojo, Nord Electro 61, Nord C1/C2/C2D, KeybOrgan, Korg CX3, Doepfer DM3 all use the same Fatar TP-8O action as the Crumar DMC. Why some of these are considered to have a much better action must be due to different tensions on the springs. Or?


I noticed exactly that a couple of years ago when I replaced my Nord Electro 2 with a Electro 3. The NE3 keys had much stiffer springs than the same TP8O keys in the NE2. This had nothing to do with wearing out. I replaced the springs with lighter versions to adjust the NE3 keys to my liking back then.

But it's not only the springs which influence the perception of a keyboard action. There are also differences in the latency of the whole sound trigger system. This could also produce a slightly different "feel". The X3 organ has less than 50 microseconds (not milliseconds!) key-to-audio which is extremely fast, MUCH faster than Midi.
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#2690063 - 05/21/15 03:50 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: TomKittel]
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Actually as I talked to some techs who work at Hammond Suzuki, KeyB, Nord, and others, they don't change springs. The TP8o is adjustable, so you can even change the trigger point. Also, it's related to how those companies mount the keybed. I don't know how to do it, but they did tell me they can change the feel and the trigger point.
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#2690074 - 05/21/15 04:21 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: b3halt]
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My clonewheel quest has led me to this thread. I've owned many, the most recent being a Nord C2D that I run thru a speakeasy preamp and a 145.

Give it to me straight: Should I sell the C2D and get an X3-2?
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#2690119 - 05/21/15 07:55 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Mitch Towne]
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does it feel like the trigger point has changed or does just feel more responsive somehow ? one of the things I like about
the mojo's keybed as opposed to something like the nord c1 is
the slightly lower trigger point , I feels a little more relaxed , not so hyper

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#2690127 - 05/21/15 08:46 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: bill bosco]
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No. It just feels more responsive. Triggers in the same place.

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#2690131 - 05/21/15 09:07 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Mitch Towne]
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Originally Posted By: Mitch Towne
No. It just feels more responsive. Triggers in the same place.

Since the Mojo is software running on an internal computer board it involves more latency than the hx3 given they are triggered at the same time.

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#2690221 - 05/22/15 08:27 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Kurt W]
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37 pounds.... Hmmmmm This looks very interesting,


Edited by Hammonddave (05/22/15 08:37 AM)
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#2690227 - 05/22/15 08:37 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: HammondDave]
Al Coda Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hammonddave
What's the weight of the two clones? This looks very interesting,


X3-1: 9,8 kg (21.6 lbs)
L: 110cm, T: 35cm, H: 12,5cm

X3-2: 16,8 kg ! (37.04 lbs)
L: 110cm, T: 48,5cm H: 18 cm

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#2690249 - 05/22/15 09:20 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
Dave Osoff Offline
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Just posted today:
http://youtu.be/eGJ_TjQFIkk
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#2690255 - 05/22/15 09:39 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
M_G Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
Just posted today:
http://youtu.be/eGJ_TjQFIkk


I started 25 years ago searching the "holy grail".... first "clone" was a DX7 plus CLS222,
Hammond XK2,3,3c,NE1,3,Numa, SK, Venti, Burn, HK....

The X3 nails it. Period. Search is over!
Love that damn thing, a joy to play!!!


Edited by M_G (05/22/15 09:39 AM)
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#2690257 - 05/22/15 09:44 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Dave Osoff]
Al Coda Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
Just posted today:
http://youtu.be/eGJ_TjQFIkk


LOL,- too cool !
The bottle ... grin

thx

A.C.

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#2690262 - 05/22/15 09:52 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
M_G Offline
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#2690276 - 05/22/15 10:57 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
Al Coda Offline
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Originally Posted By: M_G
... first "clone" was a DX7 plus CLS222


laugh

mine too !

Originally Posted By: M_G

Search is over!


Think that too!

A.C.

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#2690279 - 05/22/15 11:00 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G


I wish the drawbars were open up a little more in that video, not all of us use percussion.
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#2690284 - 05/22/15 11:03 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G


twothumbs

A.C.

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#2690292 - 05/22/15 11:31 AM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
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Man, that sounds really good. Nice and fat.

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#2690376 - 05/22/15 07:47 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: ABECK]
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Reeeealy nice....
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#2690377 - 05/22/15 07:51 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: Al Coda]
HammondDave Offline
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Dave Osoff
Just posted today:
http://youtu.be/eGJ_TjQFIkk


LOL,- too cool !
The bottle ... grin

thx

A.C.


This may be my all time favorite demo! Leave it to the Germans to use a beer bottle as a nice percussive instrument. And that organ! I want to hear more!
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#2690381 - 05/22/15 08:20 PM Re: UHL organ w/ HX3 inside [Re: HammondDave]
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Well when I can buy it from Sweetwater or off the shelf I will be convinced.
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