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#2655214 - 01/15/15 09:21 AM PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim
Steve Nathan Offline
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OK. So I started an earlier (NAMM titled) thread on this new plug-in when I learned that PSP would be showing in Anaheim. They still will, but their plan is to release it ahead of NAMM, and they're putting a 14 day demo version on their site, so no one actually has to be at NAMM to hear it. It also occurred to me that in the future, even our whiz bang of a search function wink will have a hard time finding this for anyone looking for threads on Leslie sims, so I decided to give it a more appropriate "subject"

I've learned that the projected price is $99 with a 2 week "introductory" sale price of $69, and though they are still coding improvements and bug fixes, they are shooting for this Sunday to release. I've already used it in a track and it sounds pretty dang convincing, with no additional help from other plugs. I've used VB3 a time or two in tracks, but always had to "enhance" it to get it to sit convincingly. This thing has so many variable functions, it is pretty easy to dial in whatever you need.

http://pspaudioware.com/

Here's the old thread and the original post.

NAMM (not speculation)

So, if you record on a computer and have a less than "ideal" organ sound source, or like me, over the years you've run many things besides organ (wurlys, synths, guitars) through Leslies (real and simulated), you might be inclined to drop by PSP Audio at booth 6909 Hall A.
I have no financial interest here (so this is technically not spam), but I did help them with the development of this plug. They did all the hard work. I just told them what features I thought it should have, and gave them feedback along the way on the sound and interface. I also sent them (very) ruff "dry" organ tracks to use as a sound source while writing the code.
I think they have done a super job with it. The realism is outstanding. Besides the (expected) individual control or ramp up and down speeds, there are a number of mike positions, room ambience and amp character choices. They even included a knob to dial in the "mechanical" sounds that mikes pick up, of the motors running and the "wind" noise. It's still in Beta at the moment, but they've been working steadily with improvements arriving frequently, and they'll definitely be showing it at NAMM so it's worth dropping by for a listen.


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#2655222 - 01/15/15 09:32 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Looking forward to hearing this one.

I have been using the Melda Production "vintage" leslie sim with VB3 which I like a lot.

Good to have an other option.

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#2655241 - 01/15/15 11:01 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: DaBous]
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I'm in the market for a software only sim. I often track Hammond direct at home at night , and re-amp it through my Leslie when I am able to crank up the volume. VB3 does not work as an insert in PT 11, so I've been using the less than stellar AIR Leslie to play through (non-printed) while tracking. Worth the investment to me for a more inspiring sim for that.
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#2655311 - 01/15/15 04:34 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Beethree]
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MRotary from Melda on VB3 here.
Never really was happy with the on stage sound, IEMs took care of that, but heard it over a Stereo PA ( QSC-KW153s + KW181s linked in mono) and was definitely happier.
Nothing beats the real McCoy but the real McCoy over a PA isn't as good as the on stage sound.
MRotary has some great stereo tweaks as well as the other modifications.

Good Luck to PSP though, glad to see others delve in.
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#2655550 - 01/16/15 01:09 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: hardware]
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Quote:
MRotary from Melda on VB3 here.


I was unaware of Melda's entries in this arena, but it looks like they have two versions, one "Vintage" and one with more sound mangling possibilities. They also have "demo" trial versions so I'll be checking them out this weekend. Thanks for pointing.

I did use the PSP on Reba's new record yesterday, though not for "traditional" organ. I ran an extremely Gakked up sound source through it with low end rolled off and it's distortion cranked. I was after an aggressive organ-like sound but with overblown edge and a narrower footprint than organ would have been. It worked cool
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#2656856 - 01/21/15 01:09 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Launched at last. Got this email today.

Dear users,

We are proud to introduce our new effect plug-in: PSP L’otary - a master quality emulation of legendary rotary speakers! We based our algorithm upon two original and legendary models: the Leslie® 122 and 147, and spent hundreds of hours perfecting our simulations. In other words, this is not just another modulation effect! PSP L’otary is capable of reproducing as precisely as possible the classic sounds of those famous rotary speakers. That said, the PSP L’otary is capable of creative divergences from the original. For example, you could set up both the rotating high frequency horn and the rotating low frequency drum independently from each other and emulate speakers with a static drum or even a broken horn or drum engine.

Try the PSP L'otary on your own material using fully featured 14 days demo version available on our download page. (Please note that PSP L’otary needs to run on at least a i5-class CPU for crackle-free operation. i7 or better CPU recommended). To see the PSP L'otary in action you can visit our booth 6909 at the Winter NAMM show, which begins tomorrow or watch the short movie on our YouTube channel.

Introductory offer!
Until 31st January 2015 you can buy PSP L’otary at the special introductory price of $69*. Starting from 1st February 2015 the regular price of $99* will be applied. (* all prices exclude taxes)

www.PSPaudioware.com

and...not to deadhorse but,
I did try both of the Melda Productions products, and while both were more than decent in their emulation, I don't think they come close to the realism of this new one. If I already owned the Melda, I might not be convinced to spend more money on the up step, but in direct comparison, IMHO the PSP clearly comes out the winner.


Edited by Steve Nathan (01/21/15 01:58 PM)
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#2657083 - 01/22/15 04:20 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Just purchased l'otary at JRRShop An extra discount is applied in cart making this intro offer even better.
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#2657086 - 01/22/15 04:38 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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Also got my letter. Along with the introductory price I get an additional discount for owning other PSP products. May grab it this weekend.
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#2657094 - 01/22/15 05:13 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: RABid]
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the email I received stated your PC had to run a minimum of an I5 or better, I7 preferred

(Please note that PSP L’otary needs to run on at least a i5-class CPU for crackle-free operation. i7 or better CPU recommended).

so that leaves me out..
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#2657101 - 01/22/15 05:47 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: HAM&EGZ]
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Wow, that's pretty demanding.
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#2657106 - 01/22/15 06:12 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Kawai James]
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It will be interesting see how it performs concurrently with a modelled Pianoteq EP.
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#2658152 - 01/24/15 10:17 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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Just downloaded the demo and tried it.

It sounds good but I had a problem.

I am using Brainspawn Forte 4 and I loaded the sim as an effect with VB3.

I couldn't get it to recognize an incoming midi CC to change the speed. I verified the midi input is enabled and used the midi monitor in Forte to verify that the CCs are coming in and everything works fine with the Melda productions plug in.

I have the input set to OMNI so midi channel is not a factor but it does not respond to midi control. I am wondering if this is an incompatibility with Forte.

Has anyone else had success using this with Forte?

I am emailing support to see if they have tried it. May be a bug. The doc says there are no limitations on the demo version so this should work.

Another potential problem is that it does not let you configure the midi CC for changing speed. It uses mod wheel and sustain but I didn't see a way to configure this. Maybe I missed it.

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#2658157 - 01/24/15 10:24 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: DaBous]
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Assign two midi tracks simultaneously, one to VB3 and the other to L'otary. Be sure to turn off rotary in VB3.

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#2658160 - 01/24/15 10:43 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: George88]
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Originally Posted By: George88
Assign two midi tracks simultaneously, one to VB3 and the other to L'otary. Be sure to turn off rotary in VB3.


I set up VB3 as the instrument - L'otary as the effect. ( So the output from VB3 goes into L'otary ). Same as I have it for MVintage. It is ignoring the midi CC for changing speed. I am wondering if this is a limitation of the demo version. Maybe doc is incorrect on that.

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#2658165 - 01/24/15 11:14 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: DaBous]
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I don't have any experience with Brainspawn Forte, but just this morning I sent PSP a paragraph for the manual detailing the set-up for users of Digital Performer. It took me a few minutes to figure it out, and I've gotten some email from other DP users asking for advice. Maybe it will make sense for Forte as well.

To record or play live w/L'otary in Digital Performer:

Step 1. Open an "Instrument" track and select a sound source.
Step 2. Open *two* midi tracks
Step 3. Enable "Multi Record" in the "Studio" drop down menu.
Step 4. Arm both midi tracks (click the "Rec" triangle for both), and assign midi track 1 to the instrument, and midi track 2 to L'otary
Midi track 1 will tell your instrument what notes you're playing, and midi track 2 will tell L'otary when you've used the Mod Wheel or Sustain Pedal to change speeds.
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#2658167 - 01/24/15 11:20 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Quote:
a minimum of an I5 or better, I7 preferred


Yeah, processor load is stout, but there is a "Low CPU" setting which to my ears sounds so close to the full load setting, the difference is barely perceptible. I've been building my performances in Low CPU and then recording/freezing/bouncing in the higher setting. I also suspect that once NAMM is over, Mateus will continue working on the code to reduce the load further for the next update.
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#2658224 - 01/24/15 02:08 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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I wrote to Mateusz at PSP about your problem with Forte and like me, he had not heard of Brainspawn Forte before. He'll look into it after NAMM is over and he's back to work in Poland. In the meantime, I'd try something like I outlined for DP, or vist the Brainspawn Forum. I looked at their homepage and there seems to be a robust community of users who are no doubt better equipped to answer your question.
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#2658226 - 01/24/15 02:12 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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I bought it last night for practically nothing, due to the cumulative discounts.

Hopefully within the next week or so, I can do some comparisons vs. the XK-1c's built-in Leslie sim. I don't own the Ventilator or an outboard Leslie unit, but this plug-in may take those off my list as I don't play keys live anymore anyway.

Regardless, this plug-in would find use in projects where the sound source was a vocal or a MIDI source, or even for pre-recorded e-piano and clavinet tracks.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/24/15 02:45 PM)
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#2658235 - 01/24/15 02:39 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Quote:
clarinet tracks.


I'm guessing spell check laugh

I did get a record credit for playing "Clarinet"
on a Mark Chestnut record once, which is even funnier if you know Mark Chestnut laugh
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#2658239 - 01/24/15 02:47 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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I tried the other day to find where to turn off auto-spell, and it doesn't seem to be an option. The problems are many: small dictionary (clavinet is not in its dictionary, maybe due to being a trademark); slow processing; delayed feedback.

I am an extremely fast typist, but even so, the time it takes for the auto-spell to wreck a post often is past the commit button timeframe.

Even in the course of writing this post, I had to reassert "clavinet" multiple times; including just now when it is in quotes and should be immune to spell-checking.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (01/24/15 02:47 PM)
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#2663998 - 02/09/15 04:07 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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I considered posting this in the "McGuyver" thread laugh

Thought it worth reporting that I went to work last Thursday for a new record by Country group Trick Pony. The producer is a big fan of my particular Hammond/Leslie and asked for it on the 1st song. But I had just discovered my Leslie connector had been damaged in transit, and would not work!!
I loaded up VB3 w/L'otary and he was completely satisfied with the results. I used L'otary the whole day and everyone was blown away by how "real" it sounded. Of course, I don't plan on leaving the (since repaired) Leslie in the warehouse from now on, but it is nice to know I can get by in an emergency with a reasonably worthy backup. cool
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#2666590 - 02/19/15 05:26 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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V1.0.1 now available.

''Changes:
Added relay clicking sound
Improved performance (reduced CPU usage)

Fixes:
Crashing issues in several Windows 64-bit hosts
Automation issues
Other minor bugs fixed. 

We are pleased to inform that new version of PSP L'otary (1.0.1) has been released.

To get and authorize the PSP L'otary v. 1.0.1 please:
1) Log-in to your PSP account and expand PSP L'otary details,
2) Download the installer appropriate for your operating system and install the plug-in.

You can overwrite the newer version over the old one so after downloading simply start the installer.''
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#2666626 - 02/19/15 07:11 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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I've been meaning to post about this plug for a few weeks but just haven't had the time. I bought it during the NAMM special and have been using it on the vintage B3 in Mainstage. In my opinion, this plug really makes the Mainstage B3 a viable option to gig with, though I have not had a gig to try it on recently. I should add that my general organ gigging needs fall into the variety wedding or corporate dance band thing, not the two handed, two footed, two manual jazz organ playing - so my needs are modest. But I do believe that with this plug I will be able to sell my Hammond SK 1. Also, I don't have to keep waiting for the 64 bit VB3, though I'll probably still buy that as well. This is very nice plug, well worth the money for me.

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#2666643 - 02/19/15 08:11 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: TWB121234]
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I will give this new version a try. Hopefully it will work properly in Forte.

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#2666768 - 02/19/15 03:02 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: DaBous]
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L'otary is fantastic. The 147 in particular is really great.

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#2731183 - 10/29/15 07:24 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: George88]
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L'otary 2 released.

New features include extended algorithm control, output mixing controls, improved performance, advanced midi operation, revised GUI. Free for existing users.
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#2731231 - 10/29/15 10:03 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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It's a nice upgrade for sure. Includes pretty much everything that didn't make it to the 1st version (because they we're under the NAMM show gun).

From my Polish pals laugh

Key features:

Extended algorithm controls
Output mixing controls
Improved performance
Advanced MIDI operation
Fine tuned GUI

New Section



This section of the plug-in contains a set of controls introduced in L’otary 2.



Speaker configuration - controls the state of both speakers. When the control is set to D, only the drum speaker is enabled. When the control is set to H, only the horn speaker is enabled. In the middle setting (D+H) both speakers are enabled. When a speaker is disabled, it does not emit sound waves and its rotor does not spin.



BR Knob - controls the amount of signal gain radiated from the bass reflex port.



X-TALK Knob - sets the crosstalk gain.



MECH RATIO Knob - controls the ratio between the two groups of mechanical noises simulated in L’otary. A ratio greater than one amplifies the click sounds and attenuates the noises from the speaker’s electric motors and rotating elements.



WIDTH - controls the stereo width of the output signal.



BALANCE - controls the stereo balance of the wet (i.e. processed by L’otary) signal.



MIX - controls the dry/wet signal ratio.



GAIN - sets the gain of the output signal.





MIDI Bar



The MIDI Bar is a new addition to version 2.0.0 of L’otary 2.



MIDI SECTION

Click the green arrow icon to load MIDI settings from a file on disk.

Click the red arrow icon to save MIDI settings.

Double click the MIDI label to permanently store the default MIDI settings.

Press Command (Mac) or Control (PC) and double click the MIDI label to restore the factory default settings.



MIDI Channel Selector

This control allows you to select the MIDI channel to receive MIDI CC messages from. Available settings are MIDI OFF, channel 1-16 or OMNI (receives messages from all MIDI channels).

MIDI Display

This control can operate in two modes. Upon hoveringthe mouse pointer over one of the automatable controls in the plugin editor, it displays the currently assigned MIDI controller (if no controller is assigned, the display will read “not assigned”). If a MIDI CC message is received and the mouse pointer is not hovering over one of the controls, this control will display “RECV: “ and the name of the controller.

MIDI Learn

This control lets the user link a MIDI controller to one of the plug-in parameters

MIDI Cancel

This control lets the user unlink a MIDI controller

Lever Mode Switch

This control sets the lever mode. Three modes are available:

- Cont - continuous mode (the only mode available in previous versions of L’otary).

- Snap - quantized mode.

- Orig - original mode (the lever acts as a three-state switch with stop in the middle).

Speed Mode Switch

This control sets the speed mode. Four modes are available:

- Default - the default mode (the speed button behavior is the same as in versions <=1.0.3 of L’otary).

- TremDwn - tremolo speed is set when the speed button is pressed, chorale speed is set when the speed button is released.

- TremUp - tremolo speed is set when the speed button is released, chorale speed is set when the speed button is pressed.

- Trigger - pressing the speed button triggers the speed of both rotors (from chorale to tremolo, from tremolo to chorale).
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#2731324 - 10/29/15 03:23 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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Lever mode - original is the update I was sweating on.
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#2731684 - 10/31/15 09:13 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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I haven't had a chance to try the new version yet (I installed it late last night) but was quite surprised to find it as a freebie, given all the new features.

PSP is beyond awesome when it comes to their loyalty program!
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#2731776 - 11/01/15 02:15 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Is there a mic angle setting?

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#2731834 - 11/02/15 05:27 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: kwyn]
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Position, but not angle.
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#2731868 - 11/02/15 09:27 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: George88]
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I was not aware of the beginnings of this thread that were posted nearly a year ago. It looks interesting.

I also do not see mention of whatever Steve was using this with. Is it safe to assume that it was VB3?

If so, it would seem to me that combination would provide most of what a person might need to get a good or even great clonewheel sound. I am still not sure what it is about VB3 that( some say) needs to be upgraded but it is a good guess that it would be leslie simulation.

So is there any issue with running VB3 and L'otray simultaneously?

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#2732006 - 11/02/15 06:33 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: LX88]
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Quote:
I also do not see mention of whatever Steve was using this with. Is it safe to assume that it was VB3?


Yes, it is safe to assume laugh
Personally, I have no problem with the 32 bit version of VB3 (using 32 lives). Once I turn the VB3 sim off, I can get satisfied very quickly with the sound I get adding L'otary. If you dig back in this thread, you'll read of how it saved my butt on a session, and performed like a champ. I'm still using the real things most days, but occasionally I'm on a "no cartage" session, and it's good to have this trick in my bag.

BTW: When PSP asked for my help in the early development, I sent them "dry" files of VB3 derived audio to use for testing. While the GSI sim internal to VB3 is no longer "The Shizzel", the tones with the rotary effect switched off, sound more like real straight/direct Hammond tones than anything made by Hammond/Suzuki and most of the other clome makers (until you spend the big bucks).
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#2732152 - 11/03/15 08:44 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: kwyn]
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Steve I bet I could also assume that you have encountered Murph Wanka at Nashville Pro Hammond if you get cartage on a lot of sessions. Murph has consulted me several times when he has needed help restoring finishes on Hammonds. That is one of the things I do on the side.

It's nice to know that there is an add on that might resolve the VB3 sim issues. The Hammond Suzuki stuff did not work for me either. Itend to prefer the clones out of Italy and not much else. The Numa 1 works for me... well documented on other posts.

Overall I like the way a good Hammond clone records. It's pretty hard to tell in a mix when a clone is skillfully programmed. And they are so flexible for adding goodies like percussion volume adjustment and overdrive.

I talked to Murph a couple times about clones and he didn't seem to like them. A real purist but thankfully he is making some good organs available for sessions where you are.

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#2732333 - 11/04/15 08:19 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: LX88]
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Steve I bet I could also assume that you have encountered Murph Wanka at Nashville Pro Hammond if you get cartage on a lot of sessions.


Murph has been my tech for several years now as soon as he got the nod of approval from (imho) the best there ever was, Tom Bromfield. Tom is a mad (and famously hygienically challenged) genius. However, I couldn't be happier with Murph. His work is equally excellent. He knows his sh*t inside and out, is fair and honest and actually fun to hang around. I recommend him to anyone with a sick Hammond within 500 miles of here.
BTW: Cartage here is provided for musicians by a number of companies who move, set up and tear down the musician's gear to sessions, gigs etc. Each musician chooses which company themselves, and the bills go to the record companies, publishers, etc. It's a wonderful system, which enabled me to build a collection of gear so large it was dubbed "Mount Nathan" laugh
I've played many of Murph's fine Hammonds, but I discovered quickly when i moved here 25 years ago that many of the studios had their own organs, and few of them sounded worthy to my ears. That's why my cartage company carries my personal one to nearly every session I do.
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#2742787 - 12/23/15 03:48 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Steve Nathan]
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WOW! Just tried this plugin out today and I'm shocked how good it is... I wonder if somebody with a Ventilator could compare the two...also I'd be curious to know how this sim compares to the built in Leslie Sims of the HX3 and the Gemini's VB3v2.

Probably the only people I know of w/ all these devices (Vent/HX3 & Gemini) are either Dave Osof or ABECK...so if you read this guys, can you try this sim out and let us know what you think?

Thank you,
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#2742856 - 12/24/15 12:18 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: jmolino]
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You've all peaked my interest here. Speaking of PSP: I've been really digging the PSP Vintage Warmer demo on my Receptor this last week with a few of my Rhodes and Wurly sample Libraries. After reading this thread tonight I'll download the L'otary and check it out and compare with my other sims... I hope PSP has an XMAS sale coming up... I missed the last promotion by a few days. :-)


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#2744467 - 01/02/16 03:45 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Dave Osoff]
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It's crazy, but I still haven't had a chance to work with this since the huge update they did. I just haven't done any organ work in that time, or much guitar work (of my own) either.

My theory remains in place, that this plug-in will be more appropriate for guitar production than B3 Leslie emulation, but I could be wrong. Maybe after the major update that was done, it can really complete with a hardware Ventilator solution.

At a gig, of course, m,most of us would still want the hardware.
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#2744509 - 01/02/16 08:47 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I've had my eyes on this plug all month, but I couldn't pull the trigger... Just too many other expenses. It would have been great for a track I'm doing, but I'll have to settle for the bundled Cubase plugin for now.
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#2809345 - 10/15/16 12:16 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Sundown]
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I happened onto a recent vid about this comparing the stock VB3 sim to the updated L'otary. Near the end he goes into the "Brilliant" high CPU load mode. Sounds really good to me and I remembered this thread so here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9e4qTZ5MSA

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#2809378 - 10/15/16 08:49 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: Jazzmammal
I happened onto a recent vid about this comparing the stock VB3 sim to the updated L'otary. Near the end he goes into the "Brilliant" high CPU load mode. Sounds really good to me and I remembered this thread so here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9e4qTZ5MSA

Bob


Interesting, thanks for sharing. I was actually more impressed with the MVintageRotary. Maybe my ears are not tuned well enough to what a real Leslie sounds like, but I thought the MVR ramp up animation was more convincing than the VB3 and L'otary.
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#2809394 - 10/16/16 04:40 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: mcgoo]
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Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
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#2809537 - 10/17/16 06:10 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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Nice comparison. The Melda sounds lovely but L'otary on brilliant has it for me.

I've used L'otary in the studio for a while but recently I've gone back to the NE4D's internal sim lately. Maybe it's because I still haven't got the hang of tweaking L'otary properly but the Nord sim seems to cut through busy mixes much nicer.
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#2846261 - 04/01/17 11:38 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: MorayM]
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For what it's worth, PSP L'otary2 and B-Scanner are on sale for $29 and $19 respectively until April 3.

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#2846292 - 04/01/17 02:29 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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Originally Posted By: Markay
Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
Originally Posted By: Markay
Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
Originally Posted By: Markay
Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
Originally Posted By: Markay
Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
Originally Posted By: Markay
Agree the Melda sounded sweet. I have L'otary and it is definitely an improvement on the VB3 sim.

But I no longer use it live. The combination of VB3 wrapped in 32 Lives plus L'otary in high CPU mode eats all available resources in MainStage on my machine leaving little over for other instruments in a spilt.
ive had the same experience. I use Lotary with vb3 when I'm just using organ. Any patch that has an organ split, I use Melda which I got on sale recently.
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#2846320 - 04/01/17 05:53 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: RoadHousePiano]
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As I was talking about in the E5D/SK1 thread, although people often post their thoughts about whose Leslie sim they prefer, a lot of variation comes from what you're listening for. A Leslie 122/147 alters the sounds three ways: the rotary effect itself, the coloration of the drivers/cabinet, and the tube overdrive. For people who have heard the Melda MVintageRotary and/or the PSP L'otary2, in addition to the comments here about their overall realism/adjustability/performance, I'd really be curious to hear how people feel each addresses each of the three aspects of Leslie sim.
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#2846480 - 04/02/17 02:42 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: AnotherScott]
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Check out UVIs Rotary.
I shelved VB3 Melda/L'Rotary for HX-3....
But using signal switches in Bidule/Scope I had access to a few Sims since one is never enough.
UVI uses mic placement better than Sims I used.
Might be worth checking out.
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#2872548 - 08/12/17 12:05 PM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: hardware]
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Craig Anderton has reviewed L'otary:

PSP Audioware L’otary Rotating Speaker Plug-In

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#2872593 - 08/13/17 03:06 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Geoff Grace]
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What I do not understand is : this is an audioplugin .If I would insert this as a vst in cubase 8 running on pc , could I route MIDI data to it to remote control it ? How could that be achieved ? Thank you

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#2872598 - 08/13/17 04:55 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: sosho]
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Yes L'otary controls can be mapped to midi CC's sent by controller. For example, fast/stop/slow to a mod wheel. Overdrive to a rotary encoder.

You can also save a set of settings to a user defined preset and use a midi control on your controller to switch between your L'otary user presets.
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#2872603 - 08/13/17 05:34 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: Markay]
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I think I could automate it with my novation nocturne but I don't think I have an audio vst plugin ( as opposed to vsti ) that can receive Midi CC from a midi input ( modwheel from dx7). Am I missing something ?

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#2872616 - 08/13/17 07:43 AM Re: PSP L'otary "Leslie" sim [Re: sosho]
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I am not familiar with Cubase but effect plugins can be controlled by midi as described above in Logic/MainStage.
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