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#2609695 - 07/08/14 05:44 PM lap steel, pedal steel, et al
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Has anyone here ever taken the leap into either world? How was it for you?

We await your answers; in the meantime, here's a pretty one, courtesy of eBay:

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#2609713 - 07/08/14 08:21 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I have a lap steel. Once you pick a tuning its easy to make interesting sounds. I still have a hard time using finger picks but you can use unconventional techniques like a regular pick or just your fingers. Hard to master easy to mess with. Worth the time if you like to try different things. I still remember Poco they featured a lap steel. Of course I have a hard time passing anything with strings without giving it a go. blush

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#2609718 - 07/08/14 08:40 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: BadLife]
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I need to get a lap steel... or a pedal steel...

a bandmate plays lap in one of the bands I'm in, and I've messed around with his a bit (though he uses some really oddball tuning he made up himself that I couldn't quite get a handle on).

I'm amazed at footage of Nels Cline playing lap steel in Wilco, in standard tuning... mind-boggling.

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#2609739 - 07/08/14 11:14 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: p90jr]
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If my left hand ever gives out, I plan to switch to slide guitar...(and do it in standard tuning if I can handle it, and try a few altered tunings as well). I'll leave the pedal steel and lap steel to the pros, as I'm not that talented on them from past experiences/trys...
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#2609789 - 07/09/14 07:29 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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David Gilmour does some pretty cool stuff with a pedal steel.
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#2609819 - 07/09/14 09:28 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: SEHpicker]
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Originally Posted By: SEHpicker
David Gilmour does some pretty cool stuff with a pedal steel.


Steve Howe does, too.

I've considered getting a 6-string lap steel, but don't think I could go full-on pedal steel, no matter how few or many strings. Just not enough time to learn it well enough to do it justice.
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#2609902 - 07/09/14 12:54 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Danzilla]
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If you're gonna try lap-steel, you need heavy strings and a good, fairly massive tone bar, like this excellent Dunlop Lap Dawg:

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A friend of mine bought a cheap Rogue RLS-1 lap steel from Musician's Friend when they had a special on 'em, reduced down even lower than the current $99 price.

Using that Lap Dawg on my friend's Rogue or another friend's ancient, cheapo beginner acoustic lap-steel instead of a small, cheap tone bar or a regular slide or spark-plug socket made a night-and-day improvement in tone, playability, and sustain!

The Rogue RLS-1 is actually pretty cool for a budget lap-steel, especially since I put some heavy Martin Dobro-High-G strings on it and set the intonation, and it came with a really nice custom fitted soft-case/gig-bag that has a storage compartment for three telescoping legs that attach to the instrument. cool (Looks like this for packing- image too big to post.)

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Here's a pretty cool demo vid of someone playing one of these cheap Rogue lap steels:

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#2609943 - 07/09/14 03:50 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
I need to get a lap steel... or a pedal steel...

a bandmate plays lap in one of the bands I'm in, and I've messed around with his a bit (though he uses some really oddball tuning he made up himself that I couldn't quite get a handle on).

I'm amazed at footage of Nels Cline playing lap steel in Wilco, in standard tuning... mind-boggling.


David Lindley was my first lap steel hero:

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#2609970 - 07/09/14 05:53 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Behold, The PedalTele!!!


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#2609978 - 07/09/14 06:37 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: p90jr]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18obUYfRt5M <--- this would be my 1st lesson...
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#2610084 - 07/10/14 06:22 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18obUYfRt5M <--- this would be my 1st lesson...


Nice! I'll hafta try that C6 tuning sometime, too- C E G A C E, low-to-high... cool

By the way, I like to use picking-hand induced Artificial-Harmonics similar to the way the player in that video starts the memorable signature-line in "Sleep Walk"; but I pick or pluck with my picking-hand fingers while touching the string with the edge of my thumb to create the dead-spot "node" for the harmonic-chime. Try that sometime, it's much easier and less awkward than the Classical technique of plucking with the thumb ("p") and touching the string with the index ("i") finger... Due to the curvature of that edge along the side of my thumb-nail, I can produce "D-shape" triads of harmonic-chimes up and down the neck, fretting a "D"-style 5th-root-Maj3rd grip on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd strings, respectively; try it! Then apply it to groups of intervals you can find on various groups of strings with the Slide or Tone Bar.

I've used a G6 tuning- D G E G B D, lo-to-hi - for slide and hybrid slide/fretted & behind-the-slide, even on a "Classical"/nylon-strung guitar. Beautiful Hawaiian/Texas Swing vibe! That might be cool for Lap-Steel, as well...
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#2610113 - 07/10/14 08:09 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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+1 on the 6th chord tuning. It's my favorite chord (although when I play it on guitar I include the b7 which makes it a 13th). To me it has always given me a steel guitar sound and is the same as a minor chord triad. I'm not that familiar with slide or steel guitars and have heard that many steel players tune to the 9th (which is my second favorite chord right behind the 7th).

I have a friend that plays slide guitar very well and he rarely plays minor chords. I'm wondering if the relative minor/major triads of the 6th chord is what allows the minor chords in the Sleep Walk tab video I posted, to be barred? I know you'll know the answer Caevan...

On the Rogue video you posted the guy uses a 6th chord and gets some sweet sounding steel guitar sound (i.e. pedal steel sound) which confirms the 6th chord sound that has been in my head for many years. I'm thinking he does a great job on the demo having only played lap steel for two weeks! Scotty Moore uses this chord a lot too, which is probably why it rang true with my ear as an old Elvis fan growing up learning to play guitar...also +1 on Hawaiian nylon strings using a slide. Many slide players have not considered playing slide on a nylon acoustic even though that's part of the history of slide guitar. They should give it a try as it sounds pretty cool to me...

Sleep Walk has always been one of my favorite songs to play and I've written my own version. I dig Brian Setzer's version. But, if you want that original sound, you've got to have a lap steel or a pedal steel to get it. I love the harmonics and will try giving your technique a try although I'm a hybrid picker and can't give up the pick LOL! cool


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#2610157 - 07/10/14 10:22 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Hey Caevan, here's some lessons on C6 lap steel that takes in the chimes and answered my question on the major/minor concet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsvjzPeyKk chimes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpInbqNLIAI major/minor concept

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGp9zzj3egA and just for kicks some C6 blues lead

Pretty cool stuff... cool


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#2610202 - 07/10/14 12:09 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Yes I play. I started with a lap steel.

One of the first things you need to focus on is memorizing your grips (what string combinations are used to play what chords) Thinking about them as barre (movable) chords might help.

Forget the about playing pedals for at least a month. Learn to how use slants.

Get a GOOD volume pedal a fast chromatic tuner. A Boss RV-5 reverb works well. Forget the rest of the effects on pedal steel unless you think Robert Randolph is cool.


Edited by CEB (07/11/14 07:21 AM)

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#2610214 - 07/10/14 12:59 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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Lap steel, either true lap steel or a strap-on like a Peavey Powerslide or a Melobar like Rusty Young used in Poco is a totally different vibe than slide guitar. Being able to dig in hard adds a different feel. All this light touch business is too wussy. LOL

Live I was using this Chinese Fender Tele thing for lap steel parts about 2 years on heavy stuff like Eric Church. If I was still in that band I would be all over stuff like Big Smo.

I've made a lot of money playing one finger guitar. LOL!






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#2610376 - 07/11/14 07:03 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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One of the first things you need to focus on is memorizing your grips (what string combinations are used to play what chords) Thinking about them barre (movable) chords might help.

Forget the about playing pedals for at least a month. Learn to how use slants.


In "regular"/"bottle-neck" slide-guitar playing, in Standard Tuning, I've had fun slanting the slide to play minor and Major 6ths on the 1st and 3rd strings, and 2nd and 4th strings, that function as either the 5th and minor or Major 3rd of "D-Shape" and "A-Shape" chord "fingerings", or "C-Shape", or "E-Shape"...

What's more, any of these can function as at least two different familiar sounding chords, depending entirely on what the root is considered to be at the moment. Consider "D-Shape", "C-Shape", "A-Shape", and "E-Shape" fingerings (based on common Open & 1st-Position fingerings and moveable barre-chord grips) that those 1st & 3rd and 2nd & 4th string pairings fit into, and their respective root-notes on lower strings. All this can be applied to Lap and Pedal Steel playing, and even when using various Open and Alternate Tunings, with a little figgerin'...

Two-note "chords" fit into a mix well, too, and can sound HUGE compared to four, five, and six note fingerings. Suss out two-note fingerings that supply the 3rd and 7th of various chords, as well, and find where you can use the slide or tone-bar straight as well as slanted to get 'em..

Originally Posted By: CEB
Get a GOOD volume pedal a fast chromatic tuner. A Boss RV-5 reverb works well. Forget the rest of the effect on pedal steel unless you think Robert Randolph is cool.


You can sometimes find these GREAT "Rockman" branded (Made in the Czech Republic years ago, nothing to do with Tom Scholz's Rockman line) active, optical volume pedals for CHEAP- due to the fact that they have oddball sized/shaped center-positive jacks for external power-supply use, and many have lost or damaged their original power-supplies.

I simply connected a battery-snap-connector-adapter and routed it out through the hole in the side where the non-standard jack mounts, with that taped-off and left loose inside. Problem solved, and I had a sweet optical volume pedal for ten bucks and the price of the battery-adapter, running off of my 1 Spot Power Supply's daisy-chain with my other 9v pedals. thu cool


While not cheap, Strymon's Flint tremolo and reverb pedal is AMAZINGLY cool! It has BEAUTIFUL classic/vintage reverb and tremolo effects, three flavors of each. cool thu I love LOVE love mine! HIGHLY recommended!


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#2613162 - 07/21/14 04:11 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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dudes...pedal steel bass! grin

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#2613171 - 07/21/14 04:32 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Somehow, I can hear the sound tracks of the movies Southern Comfort and Jaws and maybe some Tarzan in the Jungle stuff, just by looking at that baby! cool
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#2613215 - 07/21/14 07:07 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
dudes...pedal steel bass! grin



W o w . . . . ! !

Imagine that plugged in to Tom Petersson's rig... !
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#2613278 - 07/22/14 06:12 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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If anybody wants to try playing slide on their standard acoustic, you can buy a little metal extender that sits over the nut, and raises the strings just enough, no mods, no drilling required. Here's one from Stew-Mac, that costs less than a set of strings;

Stew-Mac nut extender


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#2613317 - 07/22/14 09:19 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Winston Psmith]
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If anybody wants to try playing slide on their standard acoustic, you can buy a little metal extender that sits over the nut, and raises the strings just enough, no mods, no drilling required. Here's one from Stew-Mac, that costs less than a set of strings;

Stew-Mac nut extender


I recently set-up a "vintage" (re: very old) cheap-o flat-top acoustic guitar for a friend who'd inherited it; it came with a cheap case, in which was also a cast over-the-nut extender and a book on playing Hawaiian style. I strung it up with a Martin Resonator polished nickel round-wound string-set for DOBRO/High-G Tuning, tuned G B D G B D, low-to-high, gauges 16 18 26 36 46 56 (high-to-low).
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#2613392 - 07/22/14 02:40 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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That is what I used on the black Chinese Tele I pictured. To do it right you you need to raise the beegeebees out of the saddles/bridge.


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#2613428 - 07/22/14 05:30 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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Another vote for the Dunlop Lap Dawg -- though there are a few other nice ones too (and I have three different ones).

As for the instrument itself, they are hard to come by at the moment, and the used ones are pletiful but look in such disrepair that I'm too afraid to buy them. Some say Rickbacker was at least at one point one of the best, and those do show up frequently.

I started on the Rogue pictured above and got driven crazy by its intonation issues and poor pickup, but do have to admit it's a good way to test the waters and is great bang for buck.

What I did after that was buy the Gretsch Electromatic lap Steel. Great ergonomics and pretty good pickup; though not the best. I haven't had time with it lately, and do look at others now and then, but mostly just see poor condition used models by off-brands. Some boutique brands like Duesenberg make them too, but the specs seem suspicious to me (i.e. more about eye candy than functionality and good sound).

A lap steel isn't really a substitute for a pedal steel, but most of us will never have the time to even get semi-competent on a pedal steel so it's a worthwhile venture. I also bought a Gretsch acoustic resonator guitar; square vs. round so that it's meant for lap playing, Hawai'ian style. I bought their "high end" model but it's a budget deal and I might splurge on an upgrade to a nice one from Guild or someone else at some point. Totally different sound and purpose to an electric lap steel in my mind though. Completely unique and very musical. Lots of fun!
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#2613430 - 07/22/14 05:31 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I haven't had a chance to listen to an audio demo of that pedal steel bass announced at Summer NAMM yet but am very curious. It seems a strange concept since most serious pedal steel players have instruments with two or three courses, one of which I would think has an extended low end range.

I guess the idea is to split the duties and have a dedicated bass player who is capturing the low end with that type of sound vs. another type of bass instrument.
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#2613754 - 07/23/14 06:05 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Taking up lap steel was the most fun I'd had on guitar in years. I highly recommend it.
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#2614033 - 07/24/14 03:30 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: picker]
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For anyone who lives in the SF Bay Area, I just looked at Gryphon Stringed Instruments' web site last night (Palo Alto) and they have a HUGE number of lap steels at the moment. Mostly used/vintage, but several look quite interesting and to be good buys; including a 1957 Fender model.
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#2614171 - 07/25/14 06:57 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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A freind of mine got a Rogue. It is junk. Some Rogue stuff like their pedals are good buys but that lap steel IMO is not good. The parts are junk and it has no balls.


Spend a little extra and get a Peavey Powerslide or even a Recording King. Or there is the Gretsch for about $350.

The Peavey is a really cool lap steel. It reminds me of the old Melobar. A decent pickup good tuners and stable bridge. It comes with a gig bag and bar for $199. I should pick one up while I still can. There is a red one at the local dealer.



Gypsy Jams at 2:30


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#2614293 - 07/25/14 01:58 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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Good to hear about that Peavey; I was curious but didn't find out about that model until I'd already bought the Gretsch (which I found for $250, but then had to spend $50 on a bag).

I look forward to listening to those demos a bit later. I didn't like the Duessenberg demos that I heard but the Peavey seems a more interesting model.
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#2614318 - 07/25/14 02:44 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Randy Kohrs plays the heck of of Dussenbergs. The integrate string benders with their lap steel. They look nice but I have never played one. I think your Gretsch is a better guitar that the Peavey. But the Peavey is neat if you want something like the old Melobar.

Pat Severs from Pirates of the Mississippi played what looked like a Melobar through a Marshall when I saw them on the Walk the Plank tour. That was an inspiring moment for me.

I like Randy Kohrs a lot. He has a couple of solos on this jam. He is playing one of his Dusenbergs.

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#2614399 - 07/25/14 10:13 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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I just got home from a David Lindley free concert in the park in Pasadena, & all I can say is WOW! That some kind of steel. Dude seriously rocks the Weissenborn.
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#2614421 - 07/26/14 04:43 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I just got home from a David Lindley free concert in the park in Pasadena, & all I can say is WOW! That some kind of steel. Dude seriously rocks the Weissenborn.


Oh, man, I love David Lindley! He gets AMAZING TONE no matter what he's playing and what he's playing it on.

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#2614433 - 07/26/14 06:19 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I haven't seen him in a longtime. He used to play some old ratty looking stuff. Stuff that looked like old Teisco del rays and Apollos etc...

I am like how does he play that? The answer was very well. Lol

Gear is overrated.


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#2614606 - 07/27/14 07:41 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: CEB]
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Yeah, Lindley's the king of the under-$100 pawnshop specials. pulls the most beautiful music out of some of the crappiest instruments.

moving on...I like the benders at the bridge on the 6-string neck on this one:



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#2614625 - 07/27/14 09:20 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Yeah, Lindley's the king of the under-$100 pawnshop specials. pulls the most beautiful music out of some of the crappiest instruments.


Him & Marc Ribot, although the last few times I've seen Ribot he was rocking a seriously beautiful Gretsch Country Gentleman, so maybe he's gotten over his Teisco obsession.

Lindley didn't play a 6 string at all on his solo gig the other night. Just several Weissenborn-looking lap steels, an oud, & a bouzouki.
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#2614655 - 07/27/14 12:52 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I didn't like those Peavey demos and remember now that I did find them earlier, but no others, so figured it might have just been the guy's preferred style.

Sort of like how every demo from Wildwood Guitars has me running for the hills. I think that guy must have a lot of hearing loss, which interestingly tends to occur at random frequency intervals vs. being the expected rolloff of highs and lows as we age. Either that or he really likes everything to sound like an ice pick.
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#2616486 - 08/03/14 10:51 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The local GC in Concord CA has a somewhat expensive used Fender Champ from '57 or thereabouts, and a used Chandler mahogany model for roughly half that amount (closer to the price of a used Gretsch Electromatic Lap Steel).

I hadn't brought proper playing implements with me so couldn't try them out, even unplugged. I thought my finger would do, but I couldn't hear anything (maybe too much white noise, even in the acoustic room).

The Fender looked like a more professional model overall, and seemed to be the "original" with the Telecaster bridge pickup. I recall this being a popular model for a long time. Not in the greatest shape, nor the worst shape either.

I've also seen some rather beat-up Rickenbacker models now and then. They don't look that great to me, build-wise or in terms of condition. I've never tried them as I've never had anything with me that would allow me to play one. I just don't think about that in advance as I'm usually going in to try parlor guitars and 12-string acoustics.
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#2616493 - 08/03/14 11:22 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Get a room Mark LOL! Head on back to that GC armed with picks, slides, etc. Take that Fender Lap and Fender Champ into one of their rooms where you can crank it up a little and try them out...you owe it to yourself...have some fun! twothumbs
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#2629747 - 09/25/14 09:12 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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I finally brought my steeler to GC today to try the Chandler, the 50's Fender Champ, and the 60's Fender Champ, and hated them all! Too harsh, bright, ice-picky. They didn't even sound good acoustically.

Of the three, the Chandler had the most tonal range with its knob, so probably had the best pickup of the three.

I played them through a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp so I could compare my Gretsch Electromatic on the same amp once I got home. Night and day!

The Gretsch is AMAZING, and such a steel (BTW it is currently yet again on blow-out at Hello Music, and in the nicer tobacco burst finish vs. the sparkle black/silver finish I had to be satisfied with).

I decided to use Open D tuning for now (D-A-D-F#-A-D) as it's better for rock and blues and I don't expect to use the lap steel for many other styles (there are a gazillion tunings). Aerosmith uses Open E and David Lindley uses a variant of that tuning. It's just Open D a whole step up. I like having the reach down to D, but may find that the taughtness of Open E is more appealing (though it's less relevant on a lap steel).

Although different gauges are recommended for different tunings, it isn't such a big deal overall as the nature of the instrument is such that you have a lot of leeway with each string. The tuning pegs move the pitch quite a bit with little effort.

What I like about the Gretsch is that it's very ergonomic and balanced, the markings are easy to read and to line up with the steeler, it sounds great acoustically (and quite loud unplugged!), and the pickup is magnificent as it's very round and creamy but can also cut and bite if you like. The tone knob gives a very wide range overall.

I had to special order the bag and it took 9 months but was worth it as it's a perfect fit and thickly padded with two pockets for steelers and strings. There is no hardshell case for this model but the bag really is good enough, for once.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (09/25/14 09:14 PM)
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#2629819 - 09/26/14 07:09 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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WOW! Am I ever late to THIS party!

My buddy's dad used to play a lap in a hillbilly band in the early '50's. I gave his old one a try and got NOWHERE with it!

Looks like a lot of fun, and I admire good lap playing, but like the pedal steel stuff a bit better....I will NOT embarass myself or the pedal steel community with a paltry effort. As long as you can find BUD ISAACS on record somewhere, I figure, why bother?
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#2629826 - 09/26/14 07:28 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: whitefang]
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Thanks for the update Mark! Just about anything will sound good through a Fender Deluxe Reverb LOL! I'll keep that Gretsch Electromatic in mind if I should decide to buy a lap steel. Glad you got down to the GC and tried a few on for size and made the comparison... cool
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#2630398 - 09/29/14 03:49 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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#2630422 - 09/29/14 06:33 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Very cool 8string Gator slide! Bet you can get some real swamp ash sounds out of that baby...or at least it'll put you in the right mood...how much are they and where would you find one? cool

ps. http://fishguitar.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=75 <--- never mind, I found it!!!


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#2631548 - 10/05/14 12:12 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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So who makes that gorgeous gator 8-string lap? That is truly a work of art!
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#2631591 - 10/05/14 10:15 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
So who makes that gorgeous gator 8-string lap? That is truly a work of art!


If you click on the link I posted above your question, you find all of the answers. It's handmade and the site tells the history and what is being considered in the future, etc... thu
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#2631608 - 10/05/14 11:45 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Oh, I didn't click it because it looked like it was your signature (on most forums, I see people posting their personal webpages as the signature for each post).

Edit: Nevermind; I thought you meant the link below the photo.

The other link didn't show up earlier as I was on limited screen real estate.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (10/05/14 11:47 AM)
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#2631627 - 10/05/14 01:28 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Sorry, I don't use a signature line...hope the link was interesting though, if you do click on it...
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#2631828 - 10/06/14 12:30 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Great thread. I definitely enjoy lap steel (and slide guitar in general) a lot though I never tried my hand at it.
I do remember once in El Paso, 1985 or so, that I saw a lap steel for sale for $100. I DID have the money for it, but it would have meant not paying rent or eating....
Of course, I'd snap it up right away now!

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#2645050 - 12/03/14 11:06 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Eric Iverson]
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loved this video:

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#2645099 - 12/04/14 07:22 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Interesting video I learned many things from watching it. Many of the things I have discovered over the last month or so match up with the video techniques and concepts. I picked up on a new one (i.e. why he reaches over the strings with the right hand) and will be experimenting with it later. I finally broke down and bought a Gretsch dobro slide square neck, and I'm having lots of fun with it... cool
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#2649406 - 12/23/14 02:10 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I saw an acoustic lap steel, of all things, at the local GC the other day. I was in a rush so didn't have a chance to try it out.

I didn't see a pickup anywhere. It's a hollow body, but NOT a square neck resonator guitar. It was used, but I forget the brand.

It bears some mild resemblance to the left side of the photo in the initial post, but with no electronics in site. Very curious.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (12/23/14 02:11 PM)
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#2650152 - 12/27/14 04:52 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The specific acoustic lap steel market at GC Concord is a used Gold Tone Weissenborn LM for $450 (I was writing on air so can't read my own writing; maybe Weissenbaum?).

It's very bright and tinny, thin sounding. No pickup at the jack. I suppose one would use a Dean Markley putty style pickup on the body, if playing live, or mic it up.

I haven't had time to look it up yet to see when it was made and how it was used. Normally I would think such an instrument must have predated the electric models, but maybe not. As I said, it looks more like certain electric lap steels, except for being hollow body. Nothing like a resonator guitar. Definitely played on the lap as well.
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#2650161 - 12/27/14 06:15 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Duh; it's an Hawai'ian style lap steel guitar. I didn't notice because it's so shallow compared to ones I've seen at a local store that specializes in Hawai'ian guitars (and makes their own). There are three models in the line in all:

http://www.goldtone.com/products/details/w/instrument/101/W-SM-Weissenborn%AE-SM

http://www.goldtone.com/products/w/c/44/Weissenborns%AE

http://www.amazon.com/Gold-Tone-SM-Weissenborn-Hawaiian/dp/B002RARBU8

http://www.instrumentalley.com/Gold-Tone...amp;Click=21214

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZIaizmZUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bia_q1XFq74

Quite a range there, as you can see. The $1500 high-end model is solid koa and comes with an across-the-bridge pickup. It looks VERY nice. I haven't listened to the video links yet as I am busy with other music, but will listen shortly.

The mahogany laminate model at GC is the low-end model. No wonder I didn't take to it, but I also didn't have a steeler with me so came up with a makeshift steeler with other materials in the store, so may not have been hearing its true timbre.


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#2650168 - 12/27/14 06:41 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Not familiar with the Hawaiians, but they sure look cool. My Gretsch square neck with pickup cost about $500 American and I'm very happy with it...I didn't go high end as I'm just a babe in the woods. Someday I may upgrade...I'm digging it! The Lap Dawg bar that Caeven recommended works very well on mine. I'm not sure if Hawaiian's use the same tone bars, but I would give one a try if I were you! cool
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#2650216 - 12/27/14 11:21 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Sounds like we have the same lap steel models from Gretsch. I love mine, and feel the Lap Dawg toner bar is the one that works the best on it. I may bring that with me to GC next time if I can remember, but I'd probably only be interested in the higher-end Hawai'ian acoustic lap steels (with an across-the-bridge pickup).
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#2650290 - 12/28/14 09:57 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Looking forward to your review Mark if you pull the trigger on one of those Hawaiians... cool
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#2709684 - 07/30/15 02:31 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Buddy Emmons, the legendary king of the pedal steel , has passed.

The guy was one of the true greats, and his legacy stands alongside any great Ameican musician you care to name. He will be missed...and live forever at the same time.
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#2709729 - 07/30/15 06:57 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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RIP Buddy Emmons...another great has crossed over and his spirit lives on in the soul of country music...
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#2709892 - 07/31/15 08:41 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Just recently I saw(for the umpteempth time) "The Last Picture Show" on MOVIES. I always loved this movie not only for the cinematic work of art it is, but for the soundtrack featuring all those early HANK WILLIAMS tunes and that spectacular pedal steel playing by either DON HELMS or JIM PORTER. I had for a while thought Buddy Emmons was the guy playing on tunes like "Why Don't You Love Me" and "Just In Time To Be Too Late", but I don't think so...
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#2710141 - 08/01/15 10:17 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: whitefang]
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Back about 78 or 79, a guy I knew bought a Gibson lap steel, one of the old BR-something models. I picked it up and played it, and was immediately hooked! I frankly hadn't had so much fun playing an instrument since I first started playing guitar. I've owned two lap steels since then, a Rickenbacker student model (don't know the model, but it had a vaguely rhomboid shaped wooden body, and one of the narrower horseshoe magnet pickups{I'm told they were narrower during WWII, to economize on how much metal they used}) which I wish I still had, and a Rogue that has been retrofitted with a DiMarzio single coil sized 'bucker, and a set of legs. It's not a bad player, but I had to put a piece of brass over the wooden nut, because the strings cut into it and it dampened them. I've thought about replacing it, but haven't found anything that would work. I really need to drag that thing out and play it more. After reading the Gismotron thread, I'm kinda wondering what it would sound like with an EBow...
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#2710164 - 08/01/15 12:09 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: picker
I really need to drag that thing out and play it more. After reading the Gismotron thread, I'm kinda wondering what it would sound like with an EBow...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-subs_digest&v=7j1HIad78Y0&app=desktop <----check this Vo Wond out Picker...pretty cool! I have to drag mine out of the closet too LOL! cool
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#2710185 - 08/01/15 03:33 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Originally Posted By: picker
I really need to drag that thing out and play it more. After reading the Gismotron thread, I'm kinda wondering what it would sound like with an EBow...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-subs_digest&v=7j1HIad78Y0&app=desktop <----check this Vo Wond out Picker...pretty cool! I have to drag mine out of the closet too LOL! cool


E-bow + Lap Steel + Volume pedal. Just try it . . .
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#2710264 - 08/02/15 08:11 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
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I really need to drag that thing out and play it more. After reading the Gismotron thread, I'm kinda wondering what it would sound like with an EBow...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-subs_digest&v=7j1HIad78Y0&app=desktop <----check this Vo Wond out Picker...pretty cool! I have to drag mine out of the closet too LOL! cool


E-bow + Lap Steel + Volume pedal. Just try it . . .


E-Bow + Lap Steel + Volume pedal + echo + reverb = whole lotta big awesome. cool
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#2710273 - 08/02/15 09:24 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Back in about '69 or so, my buddy's dad revealed to us(our band had been together a couple of years by then, and had played at a few "basement parties" at his house)that back in HIS "the day", he used to play what he called "lap guitar" in a local rag-tag country/western band. My buddy had never heard of this before! His dad dragged out the instrument he played. which looked more to me like some kind of dulcimer, but had six high set strings which he placed on his lap and played with a chrome steel slide.
He was pretty good, but claimed he gave it up due to his drinking problem, which he said was very much prevalent in country bands back then(and at the time he was telling us, from my understanding). I gave his axe a try, but got nowhere with it except to elicit robust laughter from everyone in the room. Our friend, who was the classicaslly trained guy I mentioned before, couldn't get anywhere with it either. grin
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#2710505 - 08/03/15 12:59 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: whitefang]
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For anyone interested in a cheap & easy avenue to Slide or Lap Steel, this looks like fun . . . Peavey Powerslide

They offer Black, Red and Ivory, but it seems like the Black has the quickest turnaround time if you order one. For just under $250, I'd love to check one out.


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#2710689 - 08/04/15 08:08 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Winston Psmith]
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grin

Looks like what someone would use for that "Death Metal" lap steel guitar work. grin

But, all kidding aside, the price is right, so why NOT give it a try?
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#2710702 - 08/04/15 09:10 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: whitefang]
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grin

Looks like what someone would use for that "Death Metal" lap steel guitar work. grin

But, all kidding aside, the price is right, so why NOT give it a try?
Whitefang


Whitefang, look for pics of the old Melobar guitars, some of them are just as wacky-looking.

I remember when Epiphone released the Mandobird, a while back, I thought I should get one, because it just looked like a fun instrument. Of course, I waited, and then they were discontinued. I don't think I want to let this one pass by. I've been working on a version of Sleepwalk, with a friend, and this thing looks perfect for the job.
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#2711031 - 08/05/15 04:17 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Winston Psmith]
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An interesting 8-string lap steel came into a GS discussion the other day, sold by Thomann (maybe there's a USA distributor as well). I'm going to look into it.

It's the Harley Benton Slider 8. Anyone familiar with it? Specs sound really good. People who've tried it say it's way better than any of the Asian made modern lap steels (including my Gretsch), and of course 8 strings is nice to have for steelers.
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#2711032 - 08/05/15 04:18 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The Peavey model is the opposite of what I'm looking for, sound-wise, but it's good they make one because variety is the spice of life and surely there are people out there who want that sound. :-)
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#2711771 - 08/08/15 01:30 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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My quest is over. I did a lot of research and listening, and for my personal tastes, the old Oahu 8-stringers haves the most versatility and are like a better version of the Supro.

But rather than search old a used Oahu, Supro, or Magnatone, I'll probably go for the Gold Tone 8-string reissue of the Oahu Tonemaster:

http://elderly.com/new_instruments/items/GTLS8.htm

If I find a well taken care of Oahu on Reverb.com though, I may go for that instead. Many people feel the Gold Tones either aren't as good, need a pickup swap, or simply aren't as much bang-for-buck as buying a used Oahu (or Supro or Magnatone, in descending order of preference/workmanship).

One of the key points I keep coming across is that a pro model should have a 25" scale, and that the common 22" to 22.5" scale length is just to help beginners get started. The longer scale length helps with lead line playing and going back and forth between single-note and barre playing.

As many models as he makes, the GeorgeBoards line doesn't get a lot of serious talk on the lap steel forums yet. I didn't like the audio demos I heard of six completely different models; a bit harsh to my ears.

I've tried a lot of lap steels by now, as the local Guitar Center has had quite a few pass through their doors (including Weissenbaum and Rickenbacker). I like the warmth of the Oahu sound, which is also found in the Gold Tone, Supro, and Magnatone. You can always use pedals and amp settings if you want to go harsh, after all.
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#2711772 - 08/08/15 01:34 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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As a quick followup, I just did a canvas of used gear and prices, and the 6-string Oahu models are all that's out there (pros probably hang on to their 8-string models) and go for $500 to $600, which is the same price as a new Gold Tone.

It's only the pickups that I hear SOME people complain about regarding the Gold Tones, and I actually preferred the original pickup to the swap-ins, based on the audio demos I heard, as it seems to have a sweet voicing.

BTW this is more or less the model that David Lindley used -- probably on most of the Jackson Browne recordings. But don't take my word for it as that is third-hand pass-down from forum postings.
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#2711773 - 08/08/15 01:36 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I didn't like the audio demos of there Harley Benton model mentioned earlier, and it really is a budget model vs. intermediate or pro like the Gold Tones.

It did make me aware that 8-string is the way to go, however, as I didn't previously have an awareness that 8-string is standard for pro work as the extra range is needed for many of the tunings to give correct reach for barre chords and even melodic intervals.
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#2711777 - 08/08/15 02:08 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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To summarize what one pro said on the lap steel forum, there are enough good ones made now that the trouble of fixing up an old one isn't worth it (unless one lucks out and finds a really good old one that hasn't had much wear).

The point about long scale is that it also helps with harmonics and an overall richer tone, but it's also important to have a wider string spacing at the nut (as on most semi-acoustic resonator Hawai'ian style guitars), e.g. .0375".
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#2712302 - 08/10/15 02:59 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Horror show: I got out my Gretsch dobro-style resonator guitar today for the first time in a few months, and the tailpiece had split off on one side!

I hope this is an easy.cheap repair.

Are resonator guitars supposed to have their strings slackened when not in use? For regular guitars, this is not such a good idea (in spite of being folklore that gets handed down; you'll certainly find people on both sides of the issue).

I should have thought of that, as the tension is quite high.

It was stored in the recording room, which gets hotter than any in the house (when not in use) as there are acoustical carpets up on all four walls and thus no air circulation from outside during any time of year -- just air conditioning when turned on (rare).

I was going to take it to the local GC today to compare to a higher-end model that just came in (used). I couldn't read the label near the ceiling and made a note to return with my Gretsch to compare. They probably still have my model, so the comparison is still possible, and it's probably a good thing I and motivation to get it out today vs. later!

This was my first resonator guitar ever. Only a few years old. I love it, but never found time to devote to it yet. Unlike banjo (which I might sell), I felt very connected to the instrument though, so it won't be neglected forever (like the banjo might).

I bought the highest-end Gretsch available at the time, but was still pretty naive about resonators so didn't know about the super-high end models from other manufacturers. Other than for this mishap, the Gretsch is pretty nice. I do prefer the high-tension models that aren't meant to be fretted; I barely notice the effect of the resonator otherwise.
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#2712317 - 08/10/15 04:43 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The replacement part for the tai piece had to be back-ordered, but was only $13, and labour (not including setup work with new strings for my preferred tuning as it still had the original string gauges until I knew which tuning I wanted to stick with), should only be about $20. Might be under warranty; it's ambiguous based on what Fender (owner of Gretsch) means by "hardware" being excluded from warranty coverage.

Meanwhile, I tried the used high-end model that and just come in. The same guy had brought in two gorgeous Lowden guitars. The Dobro 27 DLX (didn't know they made wood models!) took considerable pressure to get the resonator twang going, but it might have been how it was set up and tuned, as it was tuned (from bottom to top; my preferred listing order) F#-A#-C#-F#-A#-C# -- which I didn't find too useful as I prefer Hawai'ian style slide guitar.

Here's some info I found on the Dobro model, which turns out to be bubinga wood and a limited edition run from 1995 along with another limited run in 2005 (this one is in near mint condition, listed for $1450 and originally was $3600):

Based on the 1930's model This Dobro Model 27 Deluxe, looks, plays and sounds great. It features a double bound 14" body, square neck, sunburst finish on maple top, dark stain finish on back, sides and (12-fret) neck, solid peghead, ebony fretboard, Pearl Lyre inlays and "Dobro" logo, 19 frets, no holes at end of fretboard, soundwell, spider bridge, 10-1/2" cone, fan design coverplate, 2 sound holes, 3-on-a-plate tuners, 2" nut and a 25" scale. This dobro is loud, open, and deep sounding-it sounds as good as it looks.

There is some confusion though, as the 2005 model (which is what the one I saw looks like -- yet the 1995 model looked about the same) is made of maple:

https://artisanguitars.com/pre-owned-2005-dobro-model-27-deluxe-maple-square-neck-id-9617

Either way, it's a hard wood model and I definitely prefer mahogany for resonator guitars.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/10/15 05:20 PM)
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#2712322 - 08/10/15 04:53 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I had forgotten that Gibson now owns Dobro, and that they canceled all of their own resonator guitar models (which I think were mostly branded as Epiphone).

At Gibson's own site, there is info that this was a limited run of just 15 dobros!

"Gibson Original Acoustic Instruments unveils the new Limited Edition 27 Deluxe Bubinga Dobro, which is made from golden-hued African Bubinga wood — a rare refinement that elevates this instrument above even the best traditional Dobros currently available. This beautiful Dobro is constructed in the tradition of the seminal Dobros that set the standard some 75 years ago, and is available in an extremely limited run of just 15 instruments, a rare opportunity for both player and collector."

Here's a dreadfully bad demo of the Dobro by someone whose playing style is 180 from what I look for in a resonator guitar (not to mention out of tune):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMyN5B9DJ8

Sounds about how the one I tried today sounds. So maybe Dobro just doesn't make very resonant models -- or at least not this particular model? Could it be the bubinga wood at fault? Very heavy wood; probably doesn't vibrate much.

Although I prefer Hawai'ian style to bluegrass style, the video that follows the one linked above is very well-played and is done on a resonator that sounds more resonant and expressive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBvGi289OOE

It's a traditional-wood (mahogany) model from Dobro/Gibson, in their Custom Shop line: Gibson Phil Leadbetter Limited Edition Dobro.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (08/10/15 05:16 PM)
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#2712323 - 08/10/15 04:55 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Meanwhile, I still plan to upgrade my electric lap steel at some point, to a long-scale 8-string model as mentioned above, and am more likely to use that on recordings earlier than a reso-guitar, but I at least have to take care of my repairs on the Gretsch Bobtail. And after more research, I may decide to buy that Dobro that I saw today.
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#2712326 - 08/10/15 05:24 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I had originally assumed that an eventual resonator upgrade would go to Guild, and this demo from Acoustic Letter has me looking that direction again:

Guild R37SE Dobro Square-Neck Resonator

http://acousticletter.com/guild-r37se-dobro-square-neck-resonator/

I like the undercurrent of "rough throat" that peaks through now and then. It might be a bit too bright in the upper register and when not being steeled though.

Made of koa, which has similar acoustic properties to mahogany, this resonator sounds more traditional to me than the limited edition "27" model from Dobro/Gibson.


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#2712328 - 08/10/15 05:33 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Just as with the Lap Steel decision, however, I get pulled back to Gold Tone, who have a nice all solid mahogany model for the intermediate-level price of around $1000:

https://www.goldtone.com/product/pbs/

The Acoustic Letter demo is quite compelling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsPLsyrUuA

Gold Tone uses the Paul Beard resonator, which is one of the best.

Here's a video demo of the Beard signature deluxe model (maple vs. mahogany):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuaqBjyyn8

Although I love the guy's playing, I can tell that the harder would does limit the resonance, as I suspected. So it's clear I want traditional mahogany.

At the next level up in price are Weber's models (starting at $2500):

http://webermandolins.com/instruments/resonator-guitars/square-neck

They make great mandolins/mandolas. I didn't know until now that they are in the resonator guitar business.


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#2712337 - 08/10/15 06:07 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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There are four models altogether in the Gold Tone lineup of square neck Paul Beard Signature model Resonator Guitars, including an 8-string model:

https://www.goldtone.com/product/pbs/

https://www.goldtone.com/product/pbs-8/

https://www.goldtone.com/product/pbs-d/

https://www.goldtone.com/product/pbs-m/

Note, however, that the 8-string model uses a bolt-on neck, as it is expected to need more adjustments than the 6-string models.

Also, I keep having my preference for mahogany over maple reinforced -- especially with such similar demos of related models (as in the links above).

I have a feeling that 8-string models are rare for Resonators vs. for professional Lap Steels and that it makes sense to stick with 6 string models.


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#2712339 - 08/10/15 06:27 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Turns out that Weissenborn that I saw a few months ago is a current production model from Gold Tone. Here's the link for the entire series (of three models):

https://www.goldtone.com/product-category/guitar-style/weissenborn/

They are often referred to as "hollow neck resonator guitars".
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#2773184 - 04/15/16 08:35 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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2 to check out:

Scott Walker stereo lap steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNC-4kUYJg

Clinesmith 8-string (I think) cast aluminum lap steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwjBar9xPzA
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#2773194 - 04/15/16 09:58 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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The Aluminum lap steel playing Crazy is very cool Hugo! cool
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#2773198 - 04/15/16 10:45 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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The Aluminum lap steel playing Crazy is very cool Hugo! cool


the boy's got serious tone, don't he?
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#2773252 - 04/16/16 08:24 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Some Very Serious Tone! and some very cool licks...like volume swells and I really loved the way he could angle the bar/slide and move up or down with 2 or 3 passing chords. Very close to a pedal steel, at least as close as one could ask for from a lap steel... cool
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#2847772 - 04/07/17 06:47 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Larryz]
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Not sure whether this should go here or in Weird Guitar Appreciation:



Hell, maybe it doesn't belong in either one.
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#2847781 - 04/07/17 08:08 PM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Not sure whether this should go here or in Weird Guitar Appreciation:

Hell, maybe it doesn't belong in either one.


He says revolutionary, I say evolutionary. It's kind of equal parts Jeff Healey overhand technique, Chapman Stick & electric mountain dulcimer. The sounds are good, seems like a tough learning curve, though.
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#2848789 - 04/12/17 04:40 AM Re: lap steel, pedal steel, et al [Re: Scott Fraser]
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It's a cool instrument, though hardly revolutionary - it's been done before for YEARS... it's a new wrinkle on an old idea.
I wouldn't mind playing in a band with a good Kelstone player, though I don't care for the tones he's using... but you can adjust those things with settings on the guitar and amps.

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