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Rock n Roller cart.... R14
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Anyone try this newer model one yet? At 60in long, it will fit my motif case perfectly. It has larger SQ tubing than the rest of the models.... Trade off is, no accessories are available yet and it doesnt come with the all terrain wheels like R12.


Anyone have horror stories about this model?

http://www.rocknrollercart.com/collections/multi-carts/products/r-14-multi-cart


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Linco Casters

This company supplied and installed my older roller cart with better wheels, including two smaller wheels ( that steer ) that have handy ( life saving on an incline ) brakes.
The larger wheels I used were the kind you DON'T use air to support them. Just solid wheels. Too much of a hassle to add air to them once they get near flat.

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these casters dont seem like much.... i just opened the box

This is the the guy that designed it




http://www.rocknrollerblog.com/2013/11/25/rock-n-roller-multi-cart-inventor-gary-michael-dahl/


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That one looks pretty cool! After my surgery and had to go back to work with crutches I wasn't much help with loading/unloading gear so I insisted on upgrading to make Toni's job a little easier. We went with this:

http://www.menards.com/main/mobile/tools...440-c-12175.htm

Its worth its weight in gold! Can fit two p.a. speakers, mixer, cords & mics, keyboard, and stands and poles all in one trip with ease. And it won't break the bank! thu been giggin' heavy with it and it still looks brand new. Built tough! But not painfully heavy. Just thought to share it with ya.

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The R12 is one of the best purchases I've made, wish I'd bought it a lot sooner. The R14 looks interesting.


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This is why the R14 rocks... That is a motif XS8 in that case



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Nice... I left my old rock n roller at a gig last year and am looking for a replacement. That is sweet. How much did it cost?


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I have an R10, and just that one difference (the wide 60" spread) is really cool. But is the R14 really $360?


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$209 pro audio & lighting www.proaal.com

http://www.proaal.com/Accessories/Gear-Carts-Dollies/R14RT.html

Oh wow, I should have brought that online advertising price to the store when I went in and bought it.... they are saying $169... son of a bitch!


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The R14 was what I would have liked to have gotten several years ago. I bought an R10, carried it to a local welder, and had it extended a couple of feet. It now fits any of my keyboard cases from 61 to 88 keys, and is a lot more useful.
Glad to see that they have responded to the market for folks with longer boards that don't want to load them vertically.


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Just looked at the specs. 36lbs. Oy,


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Get one of these and you'll never regret it:

http://www.magliner.com/gemini-sr-convertible-hand-truck-gm-81uac




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I use a lightweight R8 and just wheel the 88 separately in it's own Gator flight case w/ wheels. Not that big of a deal to make 2 trips.

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Originally Posted By: Oyarsa
I use a lightweight R8 and just wheel the 88 separately in it's own Gator flight case w/ wheels. Not that big of a deal to make 2 trips.


Part of the idea behind a large cart is to be able to wheel in everything in a single trip though.


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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Get one of these and you'll never regret it:

http://www.magliner.com/gemini-sr-convertible-hand-truck-gm-81uac




I have the Gemini Jr. & have posted often about it here in *dolly threads* over the years. I bought it long ago and paid around $180 if I recall. Don't remember the exact year I got it but it was early on when the Raiders football team was in LA. I remember that because I bought it exclusively for that, being a semi-regular sub on that gig at the Coliseum - so probably middle '80s if I had to guess.

I remember getting razzed by guys in the band - you paid how much for that dolly ?!! crazy The drummer on the way out to our cars in the parking lot, which seemed to be a mile away, used to re-invent the Al Davis Raiders slogan of "Just win baby" ...to just "just roll baby".. grin

The darn thing has seen literally thousands of gigs. I had a complete overall of it maybe 7 years ago of new pneumatic/flat-less front tires, new back heavier duty casters and and a misc. tweaking and overall replacement of any existing parts that were funky. I think it ran under $150.

I have no doubt the thing will still be going very strong by the time I give up doing gigs - whenever that might be. wink

It's maybe 8" shorter then the pictured Gemini SR., but I always seem to manage one trip probably 80% of the time unless I do the *band pa * + my stereo gigging speakers. I haven't done the two keyboard thing in over 12 years.

I should go back to the store that did the overhaul and get that lock that secures the wheels on an incline. I've gotten into trouble with it rolling away more then a few times when I neglected to put a cord bag behind the wheels...it rolls that efficiently.

The biggest drag about it is the fact it doesn't fold up into a compact size like the RnRer. It wasn't an issue for 20 years with my Volvo 740 wagon and still isn't too much with my '11 Prius...but it's bulky and kinda unwieldy to get in and out of the Toyota hatchback. More so then my cavernous Vovlo wagon.

On a few occasions I haven't lifted it up high enough and smacked the back headliner on the Prius. Nothing too bad that the dealer couldn't fix real quick...but the thing at 44 lbs and not folding up is not really "smaller car " friendly.

But yeah the thing rolls like a MF.. smile Almost everyone in LA has the RnRer and would always have trouble over less then smooth , even surfaces. Like weird un-even paved bricks, or over a lawn at someone's house.The Gemini has a "monster truck " effect over all that. I'd always loan mine to other guys in the band when they saw how well the Gemini worked over their RnRers.

On real smooth surfaces, like from a hotel parking garage to the banquet room , I can literally push the thing with one hand or in some cases, a few fingers.

It's the MOTHER of all dollies ! cool Although granted, I couldn't get all that stuff on there like the guy in the picture. Maybe with the SR. though.

My advice to that guy though is - hey you're bringing WAY too much sh*t man..especially for what that gig probably pays !! laugh

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I use a Remin Kart-a Bag to move two QSCs, my SKB laptop case, an accessory case with pedals & cables and keyboard stand. I can usually deal with steps but I don't see how these roller carts do. What happens if you have a flight of stairs to negotiate?

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Timely thread for me. Since joining a top 40 band at the beginning of the year, I finally upgraded my cart to a Gruv Gear V cart Solo with the XL attachement. My huge issue is that though the thing is pretty solid, it isn't long enough for 88 key boards to lay flat horizontally. With all the corporates I do this is a huge deal as I constantly find myself weaving around banquet tables and through narrow hallways. I have a gerry-rigged solution where I lay the boards at an angle, but this isn't terribly sturdy. I have probably done 40 gigs with it this year and am starting to get frustrated by how maxed out the thing feels.

I need to check out both the R14 and the Gemini Jr. I need something for two boards, a stand, a music stand, a PA speaker and a backpack. And making 2 trips isn't an option.


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from my casino gig last night. We have to park in the regular parking garage and wheel our stuff all the way thru the casino floor... bit of a hike.... the R14 rocked last night!!!



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Greg you have room for several more keyboards, shame to waste that extra space on the cart.
I have the 12 & it's a life saver, even over cobblestone & funky lawn terrain.


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I have the larger hard plastic tires & they work better for me in all terrains. The inflatable ones always seemed to go flat at the most inopportune times.


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Ditto on WHEELS they need to be upgraded all 4. The smaller ones, to a quality wheel with nice brake on them
the larger ones with no flat solid design. Getting air in them is a drag. And they go flat unpredictably.


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Greg, Compared to the shipping & receiving areas I usually do my load in's / load out's that one "sun bright" parking lot.


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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I can usually deal with steps but I don't see how these roller carts do. What happens if you have a flight of stairs to negotiate?

I've wondered the same about these carts...!

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Originally Posted By: Ashville.Guru
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I can usually deal with steps but I don't see how these roller carts do. What happens if you have a flight of stairs to negotiate?

I've wondered the same about these carts...!

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Originally Posted By: Ashville.Guru
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I can usually deal with steps but I don't see how these roller carts do. What happens if you have a flight of stairs to negotiate?

I've wondered the same about these carts...!

- Guru


Use the elevator


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Originally Posted By: Greg Gallant
Use the elevator

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

Originally Posted By: Hammonddave
You don't take the gig.

Perhaps - if and when I get to be old, jaded and cynical. Until then, I'm afraid I must be open to options... wink

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Either elevator or Handicapped ramps. I have seldom encountered, no make that extremely seldom, had any problem using Roller. Generally handicapped ramps are omnipresent in venues found in Calif. I have had my cart over 10 years, done 1000's of gigs with them.

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It's actually a Ca. law that restaurants, hotels ,and other public venues have to have handicapped access via a ramp or elevator.

The only time I run into trouble with the dolly is private homes in Bev Hills or places like that. You might have a terraced back yard where they want you up by the pool, or the side access is blocked by caterers, or you have to schlep through the house down a narrow hallway.

Those gigs are schlep nightmares for sure. On a lot of the house parties though, I tend to play their acoustic , so unless they want vocals where I have to bring one small TT08A cab and A&H Zed10, I just walk in with my rolling bag with charts/fakebooks.

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Dave,
You should put all those charts/fakebooks on an iPad. After many a windy outdoor gig where my music went adios or I fumbled through charts while the bandleader freaked out, I surrendered to using Forescore & UnrealBook apps... one of the best investments I've made and I don't miss my notebook bag one bit.


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Originally Posted By: Ashville.Guru
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I can usually deal with steps but I don't see how these roller carts do. What happens if you have a flight of stairs to negotiate?

I've wondered the same about these carts...!

- Guru


Anytime there is steps a suck factor is included. Especially since I'm rockin' the 'Ahab the pirate' look these days. laugh
Its why I went with a cart/dolly converting cart. It bailed me out of a few binds. wink

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