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#2577705 - 03/05/14 03:54 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: ksoper]
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I support small business music stores.

I have gone out of my way to buy from local or regional dealers. I bought my Hammond SK2 from B3 Guys in Nashville (you should too!). I took a trip to Florida to try/buy my Kawai ES4 from a MaPa piano store in Jacksonville. I bought a Yamaha CP300 from Georgia Music (a small local chain).

Atlanta GC's suck. Keyboards are constantly being abused by kids who aren't there to buy anything, knobs missing, it's impossible to try out anything because of the noise. A GC-chain death would not affect me at all. In fact, I'd like to think that I may have helped their demise in a small way. evil

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#2577710 - 03/05/14 04:37 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: resigned]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Eshleman

Atlanta GC's suck.


From a keyboard player's perspective, yeah, that was my experience. BTW they just opened a store in Athens. Haven't checked it out yet, but I'll probably head that way in a few weeks. My hopes for an awesome keyboard department aren't high. Keyboard stock around here (Augusta area) tends towards "safe"--the lower-cost workstations and digital pianos. The local economy and music scene don't warrant carrying higher-end inventory.

So, I'd miss GC as a relatively close shopping option for all the synth-geek stuff.

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#2577712 - 03/05/14 04:47 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: resigned]
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I accept GC for what it is: a somewhat soulless chain store. I find it occasionally useful to have a brick and mortar store that is locally accessible. It's the only place left in town here where I can buy keyboards (although I almost never buy anything that's been on the sales floor, and they rarely have anything beyond the basics, anyway). There used to be a traditional piano store in town but, unfortunately, that went under a couple of years ago; and there was also a small piano "liquidation" store that, in addition to low-end acoustics, sold Roland and (old model) GEM DPs at twice the price you could buy them elsewhere. I always felt like fish bait when I went in there, so I wasn't sorry to see the "liquidation" store liquidated!

I have had both good and not-so-good experiences at other, independent, online retailers. To be honest, I think that competition is healthy, and kudos is due to anyone brave enough to operate brick and mortar stores these days. It's fashionable to knock GC/MF, but they have provided a useful service over the years. Do I like shopping with them ? No, not particularly. Do I prefer to shop at, say, Kraft or Sweetwater? Yes, because I can usually talk to someone who has half a clue about keyboards, and that's something I've never experienced at GC. However, do I like having to order blind from Wisconsin (or wherever) and pay the two-way shipping if it doesn't work out? Hell, no, although sometimes it's necessary.

At the end of the day, if you accept the limitations and don't listen to the (mostly) clueless sales staff, GC is just like Walmart or Target: a convenience for the buyer and a source of low-wage employment, but in no way a specialist or upscale supplier.

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#2577713 - 03/05/14 04:56 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: ProfD]
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Originally Posted By: ProfD
I wouldn't be surprised if GC downsizes or goes the way of Mars Music.

Thankfully, the DC area still has Washington Music Center aka Chuck Levin's. thu cool


Yes, Chuck's is not exactly "next door" like Guitar Center, but I do like to drop by there every so often. Their return policy is virtually non-existent, but they have made me some good deals. I was in there in January and picked up a Kore64 for my PC3K7 for $125...far cheaper than I've been able to find it elsewhere.
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#2577716 - 03/05/14 05:21 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Bill W]
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I saw this article and had mixed emotions on it.

I've had hit or miss luck with GC. The one closest to me has a lousy keyboard department. Nothing new, hardly anything hooked up to speakers, and the salespeople are really disinterested.

Compare that to the ones in New York City and it's night and day. Huge keyboard section (at least the one in Union Square), lots of new stuff, salespeople everywhere.

I think it's a matter of where it's located, for the most part, as well as store management.
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#2577717 - 03/05/14 05:23 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: johnchop]
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Originally Posted By: johnchop
Originally Posted By: Jim Eshleman

Atlanta GC's suck.


From a keyboard player's perspective, yeah, that was my experience. BTW they just opened a store in Athens. Haven't checked it out yet, but I'll probably head that way in a few weeks. My hopes for an awesome keyboard department aren't high. Keyboard stock around here (Augusta area) tends towards "safe"--the lower-cost workstations and digital pianos. The local economy and music scene don't warrant carrying higher-end inventory.

So, I'd miss GC as a relatively close shopping option for all the synth-geek stuff.

-John


I'd never been in a GC until a couple weeks ago. 2 years ago my nephew gave me a gift card for Christmas. The GC is an hour away and I just never made it up there. I needed some midi cables so it was a good reason to ride up there. I was totally unimpressed with the keyboard dept. It was like you say- low/mid range workstations like the older MOX, though they did have a Kronos 61. A bunch of digital pianos but nothing high end. They had a lot of casio stuff but no PX5S which I would have loved to bang on for a while to see what the hype is about. A lot of entry level synths, the Korg mini key stuff mostly. There were maybe 25 boards total and maybe 2-3 pro level in that whole inventory.
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#2577721 - 03/05/14 05:44 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
Originally Posted By: johnchop
Originally Posted By: Jim Eshleman

Atlanta GC's suck.


From a keyboard player's perspective, yeah, that was my experience. BTW they just opened a store in Athens. Haven't checked it out yet, but I'll probably head that way in a few weeks. My hopes for an awesome keyboard department aren't high. Keyboard stock around here (Augusta area) tends towards "safe"--the lower-cost workstations and digital pianos. The local economy and music scene don't warrant carrying higher-end inventory.

So, I'd miss GC as a relatively close shopping option for all the synth-geek stuff.

-John


I'd never been in a GC until a couple weeks ago. 2 years ago my nephew gave me a gift card for Christmas. The GC is an hour away and I just never made it up there. I needed some midi cables so it was a good reason to ride up there. I was totally unimpressed with the keyboard dept. It was like you say- low/mid range workstations like the older MOX, though they did have a Kronos 61. A bunch of digital pianos but nothing high end. They had a lot of casio stuff but no PX5S which I would have loved to bang on for a while to see what the hype is about. A lot of entry level synths, the Korg mini key stuff mostly. There were maybe 25 boards total and maybe 2-3 pro level in that whole inventory.


So, WHERE ( in your neighborhood- meaning in "your" city ) is a store that has more high end boards to bang on? I know of ZERO in my city. We just lost a ma pa store on end of 2013. This is all unsettling news for me.
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#2577727 - 03/05/14 05:53 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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I wasn't speaking to the fact that there were other options, there really are not, but as a 1st time GC customer, with the size of that store, as big as warehouse, I was disappointed that there were not any more high end boards in there aside from a couple that I saw. Very little Roland- VR09, Giaa, a couple DP's- no Jupiters or Fantoms at all. They did have a Yamaha S90XS, that was the extent of the pro level Yamahas. No Motif FX or anything like that. Korg, they had the 61 key Kronos. No Kurzweil at all.

There are a couple ma/pa stores. One is about as far away as GC and they apparently have crappy service so I don't bother. One that is more local does have some higher end boards mixed in with the typical mid range stuff, but not a huge inventory. They had the 88 key Kronos, CP4, RD700, VR700.
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#2577730 - 03/05/14 05:58 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: The Real MC]
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It won't be long till all the brick and mortar stores are gone... Except for Starbucks, hair salons, 7-11's, and fast food joints, just about everything else can be bought on the internet.

The other day my wife and I went shopping and noticed three huge vacancies at a local LA Mall... Staples, JC Penny's, and Sears. Running these huge brick and mortar shops creates too much overhead and inefficiency. Just look at Blockbuster, or Circuit City.

I bought a lot of gear from Guitar Center. Hooked up with a manager who would match online prices. Even deduct the tax. Never had a bad experience.

Before you all celebrate, remember this... Losing competition is never good for the customer.
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#2577732 - 03/05/14 06:02 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: HammondDave]
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Although no keys, this Metro Detroit music store, Motor City Guitar absolutely KILLs. Marty (the owner) has most bases covered price and distribution-wise, and he and his store have a highly committed customer base that are highly supportive.
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#2577734 - 03/05/14 06:05 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: HammondDave]
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Music will become the next Electrolux/Fuller Brush type companies. they'll come to your house with the latest equipment.
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#2577739 - 03/05/14 06:12 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: 16251]
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Originally Posted By: 16251
Music will become the next Electrolux/Fuller Brush type companies. they'll come to your house with the latest equipment.


Now that is funny...
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#2577743 - 03/05/14 06:16 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: HammondDave]
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I wouldn't say I'd celebrate the loss of GC as competition, but the local store doesn't have anything much for me. Yeah, I can order it online and have it shipped to the store, but I can also order online from a lot of companies and have it shipped for free to my door.
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#2577744 - 03/05/14 06:18 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: ksoper]
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I don't think that there is much emphasis on folks taking up music (playing an instrument) anymore. I talk with my piano tuner and he says nobody's buying pianos, therefore nobody has a need for tuning and he's having a hard time making a living. Seems kid's nowadays have other interests. Same trend with stereo systems. The time's they are a changin'.

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#2577748 - 03/05/14 06:23 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Musicale]
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The one thing I'd really miss about GC is their used selection (nationally via the site) and 30-day return policy. Prices are usually not bad, shipping is cheap and you get that safety factor compared to ebay--you can return locally and don't have to ship it back. Sam Ash also has a 30-day return policy but their used keyboard selection is terrible, and prices are higher.

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#2577754 - 03/05/14 06:29 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Musicale]
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quote Musicale: Seems kid's nowadays have other interests. Same trend with stereo systems. The time's they are a changin'."

Visionary Charles Dickens said "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness; it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity; it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness; it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair; we had everything before us, we had nothing before us” He was NOT just speaking about 200 years ago in Paris and London... he was speaking in much broader terms, broader "times".
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#2577757 - 03/05/14 06:38 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: 16251]
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Originally Posted By: 16251
Music will become the next Electrolux/Fuller Brush type companies. they'll come to your house with the latest equipment.


Could I interest you in a piano today?
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#2577767 - 03/05/14 06:57 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: ksoper]
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Losing them in my area would be a minor inconvenience at best, I still have Chuck Levin's superstore but it's a fair hike away. I have bought a lot of stuff from GC and spent many hours jammin on the new synths in the keyboard room, so they would be missed in my book.

Hmmm... maybe I should transfer to our Fort Wayne office. wink

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#2577780 - 03/05/14 07:40 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Sundown]
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Originally Posted By: Sundown
It's not impossible for them to go under, but I wouldn't count on it. Capital firms are in it to make money, and a liquidation doesn't yield much (at least I can't see it yielding much in this case). I could see some stores closing and some changes to their business, but an outright liquidation seems unlikely.
This blog entry made back in November, along with the comments, may be illuminating:
http://www.ericgarland.co/2013/11/26/guitar-center-big-box-retail/

Here's a quote from one of the comments:

Originally Posted By: Mike B
This article/post leads me to believe you think Bain Capital bought Guitar Center to make it better. That's not how Private Equity works. They generally purchase a company using the brand's name as "equity". They (Bain) then borrow against that name and pay themselves back putting the burden on the business to repay the loan. In the case of Bain Capital and Guitar Center, Bain purchased Guitar Center to the tune of $2.1 billion dollars with $540 million in cash and $1.56 billion in credit. Then they slashed everything, froze pay for YEARS, and said no to anything that would change Guitar Center's course. If Guitar Center is in business past 2017 it will be a shock to me. The worst part will be that Guitar Center is 30%-35% of the music retail business. If they go under they will pull a lot of small businesses with them.


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#2577786 - 03/05/14 07:56 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Musicale]
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Originally Posted By: Musicale
I don't think that there is much emphasis on folks taking up music (playing an instrument) anymore. I talk with my piano tuner and he says nobody's buying pianos, therefore nobody has a need for tuning and he's having a hard time making a living. Seems kid's nowadays have other interests. Same trend with stereo systems. The time's they are a changin'.
I'd say your piano tuner might not want to comes to terms with the digital revolution.
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#2577792 - 03/05/14 08:01 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Musicale]
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Originally Posted By: Musicale
The time's they are a changin' changed.

Fixed. wink

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#2577799 - 03/05/14 08:14 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Dana.]
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I'm hoping the possible demise of GC will shake up the musical instrument industry for the better. For starters, creating products using "lessons learned" from the recent innovation and success of Casio and Korg.

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#2577807 - 03/05/14 08:39 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Dana.]
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As much as I grit my teeth and take a deep breath anytime I go to a GC, it is a good place to test drive equipment. The one in Chicago pretty much has most recent keyboards and sound gear. They didn't have an sv1 on the floor for me to try, so he went upstairs, dragged this thing out, unpacked it and set it up, just for me to play it for 20 mins . These guys who work there are idiots, however, they are working for peanuts, so I do have empaphy for them. I think it would be bad for them to go under, a lot of products do get sold through them, less product sales means less r+d for new stuff from the manufacter's.A big store in Australia, also went under...Billy Hydes, started as a mom and pop store , grew, then sank. Now, theres not a lot of places that stock anything there anymore.
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#2577850 - 03/05/14 09:48 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: mate stubb]
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I can't remember the last time my local GC had any keyboards I was interested in trying.


You mean you don't like to try out $300 digital pianos and low end ROMplers with missing knobs?
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#2577853 - 03/05/14 09:55 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: RABid]
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I used to work for a ma & pa retailer that's managed to stay alive alongside GC & Sam Ash, so I'm more empathetic to the smaller shops... However, I can't say I'm happy to see that a big retailer that offers jobs to fellow MUSICIANS is possibly going to go under.
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#2577856 - 03/05/14 10:00 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Just a few minutes before I opened this thread, I got an e-mail announcing the opening of a new GC - in Franklin, TN. Now there's two less than an hour from me.
I have mixed feelings about their possible demise. It is nice to try stuff out, of course, and they usually have good prices. But they never seem have a lot of high end boards on the floor, and the salesmen are clueless in that department.
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#2577866 - 03/05/14 10:24 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
I can't remember the last time my local GC had any keyboards I was interested in trying.


You mean you don't like to try out $300 digital pianos and low end ROMplers with missing knobs?


Nope. The last time that GC had something I enjoyed playing was when the SV-1 first came out, and they had one briefly. That was what, 5 years ago or more?
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#2577870 - 03/05/14 10:34 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: mate stubb]
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I was there recently and told them about the RD-800. The rep never heard of it.
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#2577872 - 03/05/14 10:35 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: Bucktunes]
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Hi,

Just visiting from the GuitarPlayer forum.

As a jazz guitarist, GC really never had any gear that interested me. If you didn't want a Les Paul, Fender Strat or a PRS, they had nothing to show you. Hollow Body and semi-hollow designs were conspicuously absent.

Then again, it was clear that they're marketing efforts were targeted toward young rockers who wanted to spend $500.00.

I will probably not even notice their demise.
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#2577877 - 03/05/14 10:40 AM Re: The end of Guitar Center? [Re: mate stubb]
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I have three of them within 20 miles of me. I'd hate to see them all close, but there might be some opportunity for consolidation.
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