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#2561521 - 01/15/14 06:26 AM Roland FA-06 and FA-08
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A bit of Fantom recycling going on... smile

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#2561524 - 01/15/14 06:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Looks like these are aimed squarely at the MOXF market. Around 1300UKP for the 88.
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#2561528 - 01/15/14 06:50 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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No aftertouch on the FA06 at least... idk

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#2561534 - 01/15/14 06:59 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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But the GOOD news, if I understand correctly, is that the FA has 16 independent MFX units - awesome for when doing multi-part sequencing.
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#2561536 - 01/15/14 07:02 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: keybdwizrd]
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And to be fair, you probably wouldn't be expecting aftertouch at this price point. MOXF doesn't have it either.
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#2561537 - 01/15/14 07:04 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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#2561539 - 01/15/14 07:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
And to be fair, you probably wouldn't be expecting aftertouch at this price point. MOXF doesn't have it either.


It just seems such an odd omission on a new flagship product. unless it isn't a flagship product of course... smile

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#2561542 - 01/15/14 07:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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The bass strings of that "acoustic piano" sound in the video are like no piano I've ever played. What the hell are Roland playing at here?

At £1299 I don't think this is the flagship - this is their MOXF.


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#2561546 - 01/15/14 07:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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#2561552 - 01/15/14 07:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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It's absolutely Roland's take on the MOXF, with the usual cost-cutting. No aftertouch and external PSU. There do seem to be a lot of sockets on the back panel, but the images don't zoom close enough for me to read the labels.

Did anyone spot the weight of either? EDIT just seen the other thread 16.5k for the 88 ain't bad.

Cheers, Mike.


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#2561553 - 01/15/14 07:22 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: stoken6]
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now why would they give you a great piano in the FA when the new RD800 piano is all that and a bag of chips?
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#2561558 - 01/15/14 07:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
At £1299 I don't think this is the flagship - this is their MOXF


Agreed! but there really is a lot here for the price. This thing is aimed squarely at the MOXF & Krome. And I think if I were looking right now and this was I available I think this has more to offer than the former. I'm not looking for a replacement for my MOX8 just yet. But it does look a hell of a lot easier to use!
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#2561560 - 01/15/14 07:28 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Yeah, I think all the manufacturers are finding more ways to create value in the sound engine, while making the interface cheaper. The molded plastic reminds me of the RD64 and A88. Not flagship at all. It's a mid/low end battleground.

The whole idea of downloading additional sounds means more customization. I would guess over successive products you could shrink the size (and unfriendliness) of the core onboard library. Jazzers may own a very different synth than rockers will, perhaps.

Funnily, I still miss those Roland multi-timbral performances with pads and orchestral sounds. I felt a twinge of gas watching the Sonic State video.

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#2561561 - 01/15/14 07:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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I read about this earlier today over on the Korgforums website.

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#2561578 - 01/15/14 08:22 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
It's absolutely Roland's take on the MOXF, with the usual cost-cutting. No aftertouch and external PSU. There do seem to be a lot of sockets on the back panel, but the images don't zoom close enough for me to read the labels.


Spot-on. The external PSU, lack of sliders (as found on the Fantom-G), and no 76-key version lines the FA's up exactly with the MOX's. With the core sounds from the Integra - included the TW organs, it will be solid, sonic competition for the MOX series, though. Looks to be a very nice instrument - especially at that price point.


Originally Posted By: stoken6
Did anyone spot the weight of either? EDIT just seen the other thread 16.5k for the 88 ain't bad......


The weight's a big plus, at 36 lb..
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#2561596 - 01/15/14 08:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tusker]
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Yeah, I think all the manufacturers are finding more ways to create value in the sound engine, while making the interface cheaper. The molded plastic reminds me of the RD64 and A88. Not flagship at all. It's a mid/low end battleground.

The whole idea of downloading additional sounds means more customization. I would guess over successive products you could shrink the size (and unfriendliness) of the core onboard library. Jazzers may own a very different synth than rockers will, perhaps.

Funnily, I still miss those Roland multi-timbral performances with pads and orchestral sounds. I felt a twinge of gas watching the Sonic State video.


So maybe we have seen the last of workstations as flagship products. For sure the spec of this is somewhat higher than the old G8. How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

As for aftertouch, if my old cheapo Emu USB controller has it and my old Novation KS4 (which actually was one of the best key beds ever for me) then I think lack of aftertouch is more a product differentiation exercise than pure cost cutting.

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#2561598 - 01/15/14 08:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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I actually have an FA-06 here at the moment. I'm reviewing it for Keyboard mag. thu

Just got it yesterday, so I haven't really dug into it yet....but from what I hear, I really like the way it sounds.

Still not sure how I feel about the super light weight thing in general yet. I've had several keyboards here for review that fall into that category (Kross, MOXF, VR-09), and my XK-1c is also way light weight. I guess as long as they stand up to the rigors of the road, it shouldn't be a problem.

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#2561602 - 01/15/14 08:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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I think the guy in the video said there's no organ engine in this one, though.

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#2561607 - 01/15/14 09:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: torhu]
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Probably not, if they're keeping parity with the MOXF.
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#2561611 - 01/15/14 09:24 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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To quote someone on another forum, the FA stands for F**k Aftertouch.

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#2561612 - 01/15/14 09:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: D-Bon]
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Please don't add to my cleaning bill like that, Dana...
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#2561613 - 01/15/14 09:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

Jupiter 80/50 = SuperNatural acoustic and SuperNatural synth.

Integra 7 = same as above, plus some new additional SN acoustic tones, plus those (PCM) from the XV-5080 and all 12 SRX cards. Also a high quality PCM GM2 soundset, though I don't know if those sounds are unique or are drawn from the other PCM libraries already resident. (The effects structure of the I7 is different from the Jupiters, so even though it has all the individual SN tones of the Jupiters, you can't necessarily duplicate all the Jupiter sounds as programmed.)

It sounds like the FA contains the SN synth tones, the XV-5080 PCM tones, and a subset of the SN acoustic tones.

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#2561616 - 01/15/14 09:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: D-Bon]
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Originally Posted By: D-Bon
To quote someone on another forum, the FA stands for F**k Aftertouch.


That's about right! grin

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#2561620 - 01/15/14 09:32 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Please don't add to my cleaning bill like that, Dana...

Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

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#2561621 - 01/15/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: D-Bon]
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Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

Actually, I have a service that takes care of that for me. idea thu

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#2561624 - 01/15/14 09:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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damn I just bought a Yamaha. This one looks like a strong contender, with same features, but adding a friendly sampler (not requiring any additional (expensive) flash cards).

And I bet the interface is friendlier than Yamaha.


I wonder if it has anything similar to a Master Mode..
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#2561627 - 01/15/14 09:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: orangefunk
How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

Jupiter 80/50 = SuperNatural acoustic and SuperNatural synth.

Integra 7 = same as above, plus some new additional SN acoustic tones, plus those (PCM) from the XV-5080 and all 12 SRX cards. Also a high quality PCM GM2 soundset, though I don't know if those sounds are unique or are drawn from the other PCM libraries already resident. (The effects structure of the I7 is different from the Jupiters, so even though it has all the individual SN tones of the Jupiters, you can't necessarily duplicate all the Jupiter sounds as programmed.)

It sounds like the FA contains the SN synth tones, the XV-5080 PCM tones, and a subset of the SN acoustic tones.


Thanks for that! Seems that this new FA series has a whole plethora of features which would be welcome in a high end flagship product.

Maybe the sales of such high end products from Roland has diminished in recent years though…. I am not sure how many G8s were sold… I never saw anyone play those live for sure… same story with the Motif XF… though I have seen a few Kronos' though not many 88 keys all told.

Btw, Aidan, I understood from another forum that the street price was £1,299 pounds which would mean the MSRP would be somewhat higher… perhaps that is wrong though… £1,299 is a high price for a product.. but maybe this is the sign of the market.

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#2561628 - 01/15/14 09:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

Actually, I have a service that takes care of that for me. idea thu

dB


Hopefully you skip the heavy starch. I learned the hard way with my thong collection..
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#2561633 - 01/15/14 09:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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Pricing will be very important. Looks like the FA-08 will be considerably more than the MOXF8.

Price I can find ( http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm...eyboards-591188 ) is 1529 pounds which is about $2900 AUD. You can get a MOXF 8 here for approx $1700 or 900 pounds

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#2561642 - 01/15/14 09:57 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: miden]
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Pricing will be very important. Looks like the FA-08 will be considerably more than the MOXF8.

Price I can find ( http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm...eyboards-591188 ) is 1529 pounds which is about $2900 AUD. You can get a MOXF 8 here for approx $1700 or 900 pounds

US MSRP on the FA-06 is $1199 ($1399 MSRP). FA-08 is $1799 MAP ($2099 MSRP).

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#2561652 - 01/15/14 10:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
I actually have an FA-06 here at the moment. I'm reviewing it for Keyboard mag. thu

Just got it yesterday, so I haven't really dug into it yet....but from what I hear, I really like the way it sounds.

Still not sure how I feel about the super light weight thing in general yet. I've had several keyboards here for review that fall into that category (Kross, MOXF, VR-09), and my XK-1c is also way light weight. I guess as long as they stand up to the rigors of the road, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Can the samples be mapped across the keyboard?
Can the arpeggiator play the drum kits?
Is there a PC or iPad librarian app?
Can the over-50s read the display?

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#2561655 - 01/15/14 10:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Neil, Andertons have it on at £1299 for the 88, so exactly same price as MOXF8.
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#2561657 - 01/15/14 10:17 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: therealvicz]
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Can the samples be mapped across the keyboard?
Can the arpeggiator play the drum kits?
Is there a PC or iPad librarian app?
Can the over-50s read the display?

The people need to know smile

I'm preparing for the NAMM show next week, and (other than playing with it some, of course), am not going to be able to really dig into the FA review until after the show is over. idk

I will say that "Over 50s" will definitely be able to read the display, although there are some things in some modes that are smaller than others.....

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#2561659 - 01/15/14 10:31 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
Neil, Andertons have it on at £1299 for the 88, so exactly same price as MOXF8.


Not out here wink even at 1300 pounds it is at least a third more than the moxf...but then having said that, street and RRP (US = MSRP) are always substantially different.

Makes me think makers deliberately jack the RRP "KNOWING" the street price will be approx X to make them seem more "buyable"

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#2561662 - 01/15/14 10:37 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: bloodyMary]
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damn I just bought a Yamaha. This one looks like a strong contender, with same features, but adding a friendly sampler (not requiring any additional (expensive) flash cards).

Every reference I've seen to loading samples has been only in terms of triggering them from the 16 pads. I don't think this is going to be comparable to the MOXF's ability to load 512 mb or 1 gig of new sampled keyboard-playable sounds.

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#2561675 - 01/15/14 10:55 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Neil, Andertons have it on at £1299 for the 88, so exactly same price as MOXF8.


Ahh that makes more sense I suppose. So sub £1000 for the 61 I presume.

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#2561678 - 01/15/14 11:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: bloodyMary
damn I just bought a Yamaha. This one looks like a strong contender, with same features, but adding a friendly sampler (not requiring any additional (expensive) flash cards).

Every reference I've seen to loading samples has been only in terms of triggering them from the 16 pads. I don't think this is going to be comparable to the MOXF's ability to load 512 mb or 1 gig of new sampled keyboard-playable sounds.


and even then probs only a 20 second ( or less?) "soundbyte" per pad. The MOX definitely has the edge for adding further sound samples imo.

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#2561697 - 01/15/14 11:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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At £1299 I don't think this is the flagship - this is their MOXF


Agreed! but there really is a lot here for the price. This thing is aimed squarely at the MOXF & Krome. And I think if I were looking right now and this was I available I think this has more to offer than the former. I'm not looking for a replacement for my MOX8 just yet. But it does look a hell of a lot easier to use!


+1.

I think they will sell a lot of these (assuming the keyboard action isn't horrible). For the same price as the MOXF6 you get much of the same functionality plus a sampler and a nice color screen interface.

I just got my MOXF6 and have several years of Motif-line knowledge under my belt, so I wouldn't jump for this right now. If I was starting from scratch (no knowledge of either), this would look a lot easier to use than the MOXF6. For example, from the video, doing a simple split looks more intuitive.

Of course, there are many things besides "ease of use" to consider. For example, the Yamaha master mode is very important to me. I have no idea if there is the equivalent on the new Roland.

The sample loading time is encouraging.
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#2561715 - 01/15/14 12:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: torhu]
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Two strikes against it from my point of view: pitch stick (ugh), and location of pitch stick to the left of the keyboard (ugh).

But there are folks who prefer that, so viva la difference.
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#2561720 - 01/15/14 12:35 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Sam Mullins]
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I think they will sell a lot of these (assuming the keyboard action isn't horrible).

Action appears to be the same as VR-09/Juno/GAIA.

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#2561762 - 01/15/14 02:02 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: D-Bon]
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Keyboard mag have written a first look article with a couple of demo videos from dB. Watching them now.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/roland-fa-08-and-rd-800-first-look/153803
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#2561771 - 01/15/14 02:43 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Keyboard mag have written a first look article with a couple of demo videos from dB. Watching them now.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/roland-fa-08-and-rd-800-first-look/153803

Embedding them here:
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#2561778 - 01/15/14 03:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Thing I like about the MOXF8 though is the length - it is about the shortest 88 note W/S I have used (apart from controllers) - and it actually fits into the Gator extra large 76 note Roadcase!!

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#2561799 - 01/15/14 04:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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Originally Posted By: orangefunk
How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine?

While not a "sound engine" issue, the Jupiter 80 allows you build "Registrations" or "Combis within Combis"....to borrow from Korg-speak. A Registration consists of two "Live Sets," each of which contain four "Tones" (i.e., individual patches). Also included in a Registration are a "Solo" part and a "Perc" part, each of which contain one Tone. So a Registration can contain up to 10 Tones, or individual patches. As others have posted, I'm wondering if the FA-06/08 contains such a mode, as of course this would allow one to make it sound really big and fat if need be. If there is such a mode, we can call it the Fat Ass-06/08. rimshot facepalm




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#2561802 - 01/15/14 04:33 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: stoken6]
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12 pounds for the FA-06.
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#2561803 - 01/15/14 04:35 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: bloodyMary
damn I just bought a Yamaha. This one looks like a strong contender, with same features, but adding a friendly sampler (not requiring any additional (expensive) flash cards).

Every reference I've seen to loading samples has been only in terms of triggering them from the 16 pads. I don't think this is going to be comparable to the MOXF's ability to load 512 mb or 1 gig of new sampled keyboard-playable sounds.


and even then probs only a 20 second ( or less?) "soundbyte" per pad. The MOX definitely has the edge for adding further sound samples imo.

If the sampler is similar to the SP404SX, there is no time limit on the length of the sample per pad, only the limit to what the SD card can hold. I have samples on my 404 that are several minutes long assigned to 1 pad.
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#2561812 - 01/15/14 05:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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#2561814 - 01/15/14 05:26 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Keyboard mag have written a first look article with a couple of demo videos from dB.
Nice chops, Dave!


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#2561860 - 01/15/14 07:50 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Thanks for those videos dB. Good overview. I'm glad you covered the patch remain feature. I'd be interested to know how that works on the FAx series, as on the Fantom G Live Mode can change 8 layers with FX with no dropouts but Studio Mode can't. I'm hoping on the Fax series you can change entire Studio Sets without dropouts, as this is one of the best features on the fantom G series.

My general thought so far after watching this and the sonic state video as well, these keyboard seemed to be derived from the previous Fantom generations, with a much better sound engine. How much of the workstation features made it over from the Fantom G/X will be of great interest to current Fantom owners. I look forward to learning more and how these boards compare.

Things I'd like to know are: did the RPS feature survive? How much functionality do the pads have? What is the extent of the sampling? Is the VK organ from the Integra on there (so good organ sounds at last)? Are the SRX series sounds on there? What is the MIDI controller section like (love the addition of the direct DAW control, the Fantom G SHOULD have had that)?

They seem to be to be replacing the old Juno line, but are much much better. I also can't believe the weight. Very good, though I wonder what the action of the 61 key one will be like. The Fantom G's semi-weighted action is the best IMO, but at under 6 kilos I can't see it being as good. For me the FA-08 is of the most interest. My last comment is in 2010 when I decided to drop MainStage and try hardware again I was disappointed by how far behind the keyboard were from software at the time, and the only things that would do all I wanted were the big workstations. Now things have changed, and if either of these had been out then, it probably would have been a no brainer to buy one.


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#2561913 - 01/16/14 05:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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Not for me. No aftertouch, so sale.

We are letting the companies get away with this. The keyboard is our interface to the music, not the layout. They keep trying to make the layout do more, and the keyboards do less. The feel is getting worse, the performance is getting worse, the quality of the keybed is getting worse, and the features (i.e.: aftertouch) are disappearing.

And we still buy them.

Look: if Kawai could market the K1, and Yamaha the DX11 with aftertouch back then for a grand, then the other companies can do it now. I understand that simple keyboard players don't care about it, but musicians absolutely do, and as such, expect to see it in the keyboards they buy. Why am I forced to always buy the top-end workstation just to get aftertouch, paying hundreds more for features I *don't* need or want (can you say Karma?) just to get aftertouch?

It's akin to guitarists: imagine how a guitar touted as a "performance instrument" (as this is) would sell today if they omitted the wiggle stick...

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#2561931 - 01/16/14 06:42 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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Joe - I must say you're overreacting quite a bit... Yes, mid-priced keyboards are loosing aftertouch. And sub $1000 are getting cheaper keybeds. But you don't have to buy a $4000 workstation just to get a decent feeling keyboard with aftertouch. If you think that is the case, I suggest you have another look at what's available.

The way I see it there are more manufacturars than ever before, producing more models that ever before, and last but not least the keyboards have more features than ever to a lower price - and at least hammer action keyboards feel more realistic than ever before...

The FA-06/08 are mid priced keyboards with tones of sounds and features. Somewhere they have to cut the cost. You won't get your dream, do-it-all keyboard for $1400, sorry!

(and Joe, when I look at your signature it doesn't seem like you need another 'board anyway, just saying...)
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#2561933 - 01/16/14 06:47 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: therealvicz]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
I actually have an FA-06 here at the moment. I'm reviewing it for Keyboard mag. thu

Just got it yesterday, so I haven't really dug into it yet....but from what I hear, I really like the way it sounds.

Still not sure how I feel about the super light weight thing in general yet. I've had several keyboards here for review that fall into that category (Kross, MOXF, VR-09), and my XK-1c is also way light weight. I guess as long as they stand up to the rigors of the road, it shouldn't be a problem.

dB


Can the samples be mapped across the keyboard?
Can the arpeggiator play the drum kits?
Is there a PC or iPad librarian app?
Can the over-50s read the display?

The people need to know smile


Good questions! The Sonic State review said no editor. However, I'm very curious to know whether this keyboard is a true sampler (i.e., multisamples can be mapped across the keyboard) or is it just a means to capture/playback bits of audio.

I just sold my pair of Fantom G6s and wouldn't mind having a lightweight Roland in my arsenal.




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#2561945 - 01/16/14 07:41 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tobbe]
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Yes, mid-priced keyboards are loosing aftertouch. And sub $1000 are getting cheaper keybeds. But you don't have to buy a $4000 workstation just to get a decent feeling keyboard with aftertouch.

My complaint is that there are so few lightweight boards with aftertouch anymore. Korg's last one was the TR, I think Yamaha's might have been the S30, and Roland the XP-30. It's not just that you have to buy pricier boards, but that you have to buy heavier ones. And if you want aftertouch on a lightweight 73/76? I think the Nord Stage 2 is the only game in town, and it doesn't have a low E! There's no modern equivalent of a Korg TR-76 or Roland JV-90, unfortunately.

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#2561954 - 01/16/14 07:52 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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From the NAMM rumors thread:

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Considering the way music is made and performed these days, I think the amount of people demanding aftertouch is pretty small.


Originally Posted By: Dave Weiser
You sir are correct.
And I don't necessarily mean this in a "kids these days with their drum machines and auto-tune" either.
Tons of gigging players in wedding/blues/rock/funk/jazz bands have little to no use for aftertouch.

One curious thing I found when I worked for a manufacturer - some keys players, after years of reading marketing blurbs and product spec sheets, have come to *think* that they need it... but then once they purchase a keyboard, actually rarely or never use it.

I would hazard a guess that most manufacturers include it not because it will be used by most players, but because it has come to be expected by customers on products above a certain price point.

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#2561973 - 01/16/14 08:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: D-Bon]
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I like having aftertouch, it's on 2 of the boards I use for gigs and I use it a lot. Could I get by without? Yes, and if the sound and features are good enough for the price, then it's something I might look past it not being there.

I'm intrigued by these new Rolands, and will take a closer look at them as more info becomes available. The main thing for me is being able to switch patches very quickly. I don't want to rearrange them for each show to put them in order. I want to be able to jump from program 1 to program 37 by pressing 2 buttons.

I don't want to rely on a tablet/laptop and some kind of set list software. This is the biggest feature of the Yamaha's, with the Master Mode, that keeps me buying them. The ability to select any patch in the keyboard and also to send out midi patch info to the rest of my rig with a couple button presses.
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#2561985 - 01/16/14 09:27 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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I know what you mean, in fact I just started exploring/learning Master mode on my new MOXF8 last night and I am already sold, great functionality there and I think it will quickly become my patch-selection tool of choice for my whole rig for all my gigs.
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#2562013 - 01/16/14 10:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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Not for me. No aftertouch, so sale.

We are letting the companies get away with this. The keyboard is our interface to the music, not the layout. They keep trying to make the layout do more, and the keyboards do less. The feel is getting worse, the performance is getting worse, the quality of the keybed is getting worse, and the features (i.e.: aftertouch) are disappearing.

And we still buy them.

Look: if Kawai could market the K1, and Yamaha the DX11 with aftertouch back then for a grand, then the other companies can do it now. I understand that simple keyboard players don't care about it, but musicians absolutely do, and as such, expect to see it in the keyboards they buy. Why am I forced to always buy the top-end workstation just to get aftertouch, paying hundreds more for features I *don't* need or want (can you say Karma?) just to get aftertouch?

It's akin to guitarists: imagine how a guitar touted as a "performance instrument" (as this is) would sell today if they omitted the wiggle stick...

..Joe


thu FWIW I don't think its an over reaction like another has said. I know there are keyboards even in the sub $1000 range that had superb key beds and aftertouch.. (Novation KS4 was about 349 pounds in the UK and is among the best I have ever played) but maybe the general punter just doesn't care like others have said…

For me I would think having more control is ever more important as bands get smaller and keyboard players have more on their plate to cover more roles… comping with the left hand and spinning out horn lines with suitable amounts of aftertouch has always been a lot of fun… and playing piano/bass splits and having vibrato available for the bass was always a crowd pleaser in the past…

Anyway… I have done my share of "aftertouch" posts for the year… smile

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#2562076 - 01/16/14 01:29 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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It's akin to guitarists: imagine how a guitar touted as a "performance instrument" (as this is) would sell today if they omitted the wiggle stick...

..Joe



Sorry, can't leave this alone.

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#2562081 - 01/16/14 01:43 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Not for me. No aftertouch, so sale.

..Joe


I know this has been discussed before, but I'm curious - what kind of music do you and others who are so adamant about this, play? And what are the uses that you like to have it for?

Because I've always felt that while it's "nice to have", it's certainly not an omission that's holding me back from buying a board. Or holding me back from playing, being creative on or enjoying one in the first place.

Actually, I even prefer using a wheel or a joystick for modulation needs on a keyboard that has AT, so maybe it's a habit, a preference.

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#2562110 - 01/16/14 02:45 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Korg's last one was the TR, I think Yamaha's might have been the S30, and Roland the XP-30.
...I think the Nord Stage 2 is the only game in town, and it doesn't have a low E.

Funny, I have all of the above, except the Yamaha. Yes, the TR76 is a really nice board! If I should complain about something it would be the keyboard feel, it's very light, yet very playable, but a bit more resitance would be nice! The other thing is that is very long... And the end caps are rounded, so you don't want it to leave it standing on one end leaning against the wall... And because it's long, yet very slim it's hard to find a keyboard gigbag with the proper fit
So... I guess you're right about the missing mid priced 76 key boards, strange and a bit sad. I'm hoping this will change.
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#2562117 - 01/16/14 03:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BRW]
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Originally Posted By: BRW
Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Not for me. No aftertouch, so sale.

..Joe


I know this has been discussed before, but I'm curious - what kind of music do you and others who are so adamant about this, play? And what are the uses that you like to have it for?

Because I've always felt that while it's "nice to have", it's certainly not an omission that's holding me back from buying a board. Or holding me back from playing, being creative on or enjoying one in the first place.

Actually, I even prefer using a wheel or a joystick for modulation needs on a keyboard that has AT, so maybe it's a habit, a preference.


I can work without aftertouch, but prefer to have it. There are Live Sets on my JP50 in which I miss having that form of expression - some of the lead synth patches, and especially electric violin. For that patch I catch myself leaning into the keys trying to induce string vibrato; it just feels natural. The JP80 is too much instrument for what I need of the JP architecture; more weight, real estate, and $$$$ than is practical for my rig.

So I was hoping that there would be a new SN / Behavior Modeling, 76 key performance keyboard from Roland; i.e. - a JP60/70, with aftertouch, and a set of practical, front panel controllers (especially drawsliders). Maybe next year.... Hopefully when and if that happens, it will be patch compatible with the JP50/JP80. The JP line was a great start, but I'd like to see it developed further.
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#2562231 - 01/16/14 11:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
I actually have an FA-06 here at the moment. I'm reviewing it for Keyboard mag. thu

Just got it yesterday, so I haven't really dug into it yet....but from what I hear, I really like the way it sounds.

Still not sure how I feel about the super light weight thing in general yet. I've had several keyboards here for review that fall into that category (Kross, MOXF, VR-09), and my XK-1c is also way light weight. I guess as long as they stand up to the rigors of the road, it shouldn't be a problem.

dB


Hey Dave,
i was wondering, have you used the sequencer much on the FA yet? Im wondering does it have the easy ability to copy and paste bars (as the Fantom g did), and does it have full quantise options, strenth percentage etc?

thanks! Seems like a great board to me
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#2562244 - 01/17/14 02:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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Originally Posted By: BRW
Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Not for me. No aftertouch, so sale.

..Joe


I know this has been discussed before, but I'm curious - what kind of music do you and others who are so adamant about this, play? And what are the uses that you like to have it for?

Because I've always felt that while it's "nice to have", it's certainly not an omission that's holding me back from buying a board. Or holding me back from playing, being creative on or enjoying one in the first place.

Actually, I even prefer using a wheel or a joystick for modulation needs on a keyboard that has AT, so maybe it's a habit, a preference.


I can work without aftertouch, but prefer to have it. There are Live Sets on my JP50 in which I miss having that form of expression - some of the lead synth patches, and especially electric violin. For that patch I catch myself leaning into the keys trying to induce string vibrato; it just feels natural. The JP80 is too much instrument for what I need of the JP architecture; more weight, real estate, and $$$$ than is practical for my rig.

So I was hoping that there would be a new SN / Behavior Modeling, 76 key performance keyboard from Roland; i.e. - a JP60/70, with aftertouch, and a set of practical, front panel controllers (especially drawsliders). Maybe next year.... Hopefully when and if that happens, it will be patch compatible with the JP50/JP80. The JP line was a great start, but I'd like to see it developed further.



From my perspective I've typically had keyboards (I can't believe next year will mark 30 years since I got into keyboards!) that have had aftertouch so its ingrained in me. One aspect of keyboard playing that has been somewhat talked about a lot is one of means of expression...

Many players are happy to go to a keyboard and approach it like a piano/organ because they are using similar sounds anyway but for others having as many ways to affect sound in realtime is really important.

I still have happy memories of even playing a flugelhorn solo on a first generation Motif which made everyone smile because I had programed in some realistic modulations via aftertouch... as well as somethings on pedals all while comping 4/5 note chords left hand on my Rhodes. I found that I prefer it to using a mod wheel and I have the bonus of just using one hand to do it.

Similarly, I was a big fan of the VL7 synth for its expression via breath controller but I always found it a bit unhygenic. I even have an Arp Pro Soloist (mine is from 1975) and that still is an amazing keyboard to play.

To be honest one thing I have never been that bothered about for synth sounds is velocity dynamics! I actually go through synth patches and remove all those settings... certainly makes things sound more vintage for obvious reasons. Note. I am not for one minute suggesting this gets removed from keyboards in favour of aftertouch.. just a preference I have had for a long time.

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#2562273 - 01/17/14 05:28 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BRW]
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Originally Posted By: BRW
I know this has been discussed before, but I'm curious - what kind of music do you and others who are so adamant about this, play? And what are the uses that you like to have it for?


Anything that requires a solo wind or string sound is a quick easy example. How do you get the vibrato in there when, amd at the depth you want? Use delayed modulation? that might be okay for someone that just bangs on keys, but for a musician trying to work with color and feel that same boring old static mod is pretty dull. Listen to a violinist, or pro flautist: their vibrato changes depth and speed to enhance the mood and feel of the music, as well as when they start it- sometimes it's right at the beginning of the note, sometimes they delay the start to create a different feel; sometimes it starts of shallow and gets deeper, or slower and faster. Same for an oboist, and even many keyboard players do this withing their music.

The modulation wheel? Possible, but a musician is generally playing with with both hands and hasn't one available for that.

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Absolutely correct. But then aren't you writing about instruments that were designed in the '40s and '50s of the last century? I'm not: I'm talking about the newest, bestest design touted as a brand-new "performance" instrument.

Apples and oranges, man.

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#2562274 - 01/17/14 05:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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For me the aftertouch lets me keep my left hand free to do other things, like play other parts. I typically program it for what the mod wheel would do, then program the mod wheel for something like filter cut off or delay amount, things I like to have at hand but don't always use. It's a lot easier to grab the wheel for that stuff than the knobs on my S70XS as they are typically underneath my top keyboard and are harder to see/reach.
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#2562279 - 01/17/14 05:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
Keyboard mag have written a first look article with a couple of demo videos from dB. Watching them now.

http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/roland-fa-08-and-rd-800-first-look/153803


Nice videos, dB, especially the second one. Thanks.
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#2562282 - 01/17/14 05:52 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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Absolutely correct. But then aren't you writing about instruments that were designed in the '40s and '50s of the last century? I'm not: I'm talking about the newest, bestest design touted as a brand-new "performance" instrument.


In addition to my keyboards, I play one of these: PRS Private Stock 22 it was a gift from an awesome wife!

It doesn't have a tremolo bar. While I have a Fender strat that has it, it was designed 50 or 60 years ago. And I don't play it much and when I do I remove the bar. I tried the Floyd Rose system, it just wasn't for me. I have a couple of controllers with after touch while its cool for synth, I play mostly piano so I wouldn't care about it.

That's the point here while you may find it absolutely absurd they didn't include it, others not so much.
Its the same thing with a whammy bar, but since the ones that want it are about on par with those that don't the manufacturers sell both. And since the market for guitars is thousands of times bigger (just guessing here), profitably too!

BTW, there are drawbacks to having a whammy. It tends to go out of tune, it kills sustain, and the springs vibrate after a string is muted and pickup noise which can be transferred to the strings.


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#2562291 - 01/17/14 06:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tobbe]
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Dave nice demo and solid chops brother, bringing it!! A question, how does the key bed weighted action fare from the RD800 to the FA08? They both look gig worthy but for AP/EP I'd lean towards the RD800 even thought the FA08 has the integra sounds... man now you got me wanting one (or both). Every time after NAMM it's time to start sweet-talking my wife.
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#2562518 - 01/17/14 04:39 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: rickzjamm]
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I have no idea if anyone knows the answer to this yet or not. But I'll try. smile

With the Jupiter-50 and Jupiter-80, we have "Live Sets", which are each made up of four Tones, while each tone is made up of three Partials. This makes for very rich and deep-sounding patches/presets on the instrument.

Roland says that the FA has the SuperNatural synth engine, but is the FA architecture the same, or similar to the Jupiters' Live Sets?

When Roland says that the FA can do 16 parts simultaneously, are they talking about 16 Live Sets? Or Tones? Or some kind of architecture completely different from the Jupiters?

For that matter, does the Integra-7 do 16 Live Sets at the same time, or is it set up differently?

I guess that, as a Jupiter-50 owner, I'm trying to figure out what makes up a "part" in the FA (and/or Integra) and how it compares to a Jupiter Live Set.

I have really been enjoying my Jupiter-50, and the idea of being able to play 16 different Live Sets on 16 different MIDI channels sounds like it would be wicked fun.

Thanks for any insight.
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#2562529 - 01/17/14 05:28 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: rickzjamm]
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Originally Posted By: rickzjamm
Dave nice demo and solid chops brother, bringing it!

Thanks!

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A question, how does the key bed weighted action fare from the RD800 to the FA08?

I wasn't paying close enough attention to A/Bing them, honestly.

I met both of those keyboards for the first time about an hour before we started shooting those videos, and there was no script....so I was more paying attention to making sure I remembered all the specs 'n things the Roland folks told me when they walked me through each of them, and trying to make sure the riffs I was making up on the spot for programs I had really never played before (and was choosing on the fly) didn't suck too badly...so you can probably understand when I say that the nuances of the feel of the keybeds escaped me. idk

From what I remember, the RD did feel better than the FA-08 for piano sounds...but that's to be expected, and probably not very helpful - sorry...

I'll know more after I get a chance to play them again next week at NAMM. thu

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#2562582 - 01/18/14 01:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: joegerardi]
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SSM:

[quote]Sorry, can't leave this alone.

Gibson SG. Gibson ES series. The top seller, Gibson Les Paul. Not a " wiggle stick " in sight! smile


Absolutely correct. But then aren't you writing about instruments that were designed in the '40s and '50s of the last century? I'm not: I'm talking about the newest, bestest design touted as a brand-new "performance" instrument.

Apples and oranges, man.

..Joe



I totally agree Joe, the A/m guitars WERE designed donkeys years ago, but, what you may not realise is that most guitarists are deeply conservative, and anything that's "new" is viewed with deep suspicion.

FACT: 90% of guitars designed after 1980 are based either on the Les Paul, or the Stratocaster. I know it's hard to believe.

(There are a few deluded souls that go after pointy-looking things like Ibanez, or Dean, but they are in a tiny minority). And even a lot of Ibanez models are Strat-alikes.

There are huge prices paid (and a thriving fake market) for 1950's Fenders & Gibsons. A lot of kb players seem to want the latest and greatest. Most guitarists are stuck in the past, and crave vintage gear.

It's a different mind set (and market)


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#2562592 - 01/18/14 03:20 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Six-string-man]
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Originally Posted By: Six-string-man

There are huge prices paid (and a thriving fake market) for 1950's Fenders & Gibsons. A lot of kb players seem to want the latest and greatest. Most guitarists are stuck in the past, and crave vintage gear.

It's a different mind set (and market)

SSM


A lot of keyboard players want, and pay a high price for, vintage gear in pretty much identical fashion to guitarists.

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#2562640 - 01/18/14 07:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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I've had a little bit of hands on time with the FA-06 the past few days and here are some thoughts:
- The first standout to me are the converters. These are the best sounding converters I've yet to hear on a Roland board. Far superior to the ones on my Jupiter, and definitely on the level of the Octacapture. Quite stunning, really.
- The OLED display needs to be seen in person to appreciate. Viewing it on a website is quite literally like looking at a Retina display on your 22" 1920x1080 LCD monitor. The colors are vibrant, the viewing angles are great. I wouldn't call this a a high res display. Text is definitely still pixelated. Still, the best display to-date.
-In person, the design of the board is easily the most disappointing thing. The build quality is acceptable, but I can't help but feel this board could have used a few more lines in its design. The glossy front panels are a bit of a turn off to me.
-It's stupid light. Like seriously, stupid light. There are plenty of 61 key MIDI controllers that weigh more than the FA-06.
-I could talk non-stop about the stock super-natural sounds, but to sum it up, I was all smiles playing it. Again, the converters play a major factor here, and I feel the potential of super natural technology is starting to be fully realized. The updated organ engine that is in the VR-09 is also here and it sounds fantastical.
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#2562662 - 01/18/14 09:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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The updated organ engine that is in the VR-09 is also here

Interesting. It's not that much more expensive than the VR-09. If you don't absolutely need real time drawbar control, this seems to give you a lot more of, well, everything else.

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#2562664 - 01/18/14 09:17 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm giving this board some serious consideration to replace my S70XS, SP404SX sampler, and a netbook I use for sequences. The only minor sticking point might be if there is/isn't a vocoder effect that can be used with the external mic input, there are a couple songs I use that on with my dance band, but I could probably work around it.

Patch changes are the other thing that concerned me at first, but with the sampler pads being able to send numeric data, that point is resolved. It looks like multi part setups are easy to create and I'm guessing the control knobs on the left can be assigned to part volume.
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#2562688 - 01/18/14 10:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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The updated organ engine that is in the VR-09 is also here

Interesting. It's not that much more expensive than the VR-09. If you don't absolutely need real time drawbar control, this seems to give you a lot more of, well, everything else.


Here's to hoping that they slash the price the price of the VR-09. I'd throw fistfuls of money at my computer screen right now if it was $699.
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#2562700 - 01/18/14 11:12 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Patch changes are the other thing that concerned me at first, but with the sampler pads being able to send numeric data, that point is resolved.

Yes, the numeric keypad function is a welcome feature, addressing my complaint about having to use the scroll wheel too much on the VR-09. The FA seems to have more patch select buttons as well.

It looks like the FA probably addresses most of the other VR limitations that have been well discussed... separate effects for each of the split or layered sounds; ability to send sounds to their own outputs, either via panning (which, as a 16 sound workstation, I assume it must have), or in this case, also possibly an assignable out; assignable MIDI CC controls; probably more flexible pedal assignment (it at least supports an additional pedal). You also get the visual SN synth editing without needing an iPad. The VR still has a Nord-like kind of directness that has its own appeal, but the FA looks like a lot more board.

WIthout the physical drawbars, I wonder how accessible/easy drawbar editing is. It would also be nice if it accepted MIDI CC commands for drawbar operation, but being based on the Integra-7, that's doubtful.

I'm curious to know what flexibility it may have in terms of calling up MIDI Program Changes (i.e. for a particular zone), i.e. if you can create split/layered setups that can easily incorporate external sounds.

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#2562703 - 01/18/14 11:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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I've had a little bit of hands on time with the FA-06 the past few days...


What is the keybed like? I really like the synth action on my Jupiter-50... How does it compare to that?

The action on the MOX6 is quite mediocre, as is that on the Krome 61, IMHO. Can you compare the FA-06 to either of these?

Thanks for any insight.
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#2562713 - 01/18/14 11:50 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: keybdwizrd]
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I've had a little bit of hands on time with the FA-06 the past few days...


What is the keybed like? I really like the synth action on my Jupiter-50... How does it compare to that?

The action on the MOX6 is quite mediocre, as is that on the Krome 61, IMHO. Can you compare the FA-06 to either of these?

Thanks for any insight.


The keybed is a bit disappointing and not on the level of the JP50. The key travel is a bit shorter. If you can live with the MOX6 and Krome keybed you'll be able to live with this - no worse. Identical keybed to the VR-09 I would say.
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#2562723 - 01/18/14 12:09 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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The keybed is a bit disappointing and not on the level of the JP50. The key travel is a bit shorter. If you can live with the MOX6 and Krome keybed you'll be able to live with this - no worse. Identical keybed to the VR-09 I would say.


How did you get your hands on a FA already?
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#2562727 - 01/18/14 12:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Synthoid]
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Originally Posted By: Singularity
The keybed is a bit disappointing and not on the level of the JP50. The key travel is a bit shorter. If you can live with the MOX6 and Krome keybed you'll be able to live with this - no worse. Identical keybed to the VR-09 I would say.


How did you get your hands on a FA already?


I work for Sweetwater.
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#2562733 - 01/18/14 12:53 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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Originally Posted By: (@)lpaugh


I work for Sweetwater.


Any idea when Sweetwater expects to have the FA-06 in stock?
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#2562736 - 01/18/14 01:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Originally Posted By: (@)lpaugh


I work for Sweetwater.


Any idea when Sweetwater expects to have the FA-06 in stock?


I don't, sorry.
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#2562757 - 01/18/14 02:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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Originally Posted By: (@)lpaugh

The keybed is a bit disappointing and not on the level of the JP50. The key travel is a bit shorter. If you can live with the MOX6 and Krome keybed you'll be able to live with this - no worse.


Well, that's a bit unfortunate. I could live with the MOX6 keybed if I had to, but I just have it MIDI'd up to my J-50.

That's the thing about all of these inexpensive workstations - they're just not a joy to play, in terms of the keyboards themselves. I guess its all just part of getting the product down to that $999 - $1199 price point.

I'd guess that Yamaha has sold a TON of MOXes, and that Korg has sold quite a few Kromes.
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#2562771 - 01/18/14 03:13 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: keybdwizrd]
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I was hoping to step out of the Roland camp into fresher pastures this year, but I keep looking up the new videos on YouTube and I can't help but feel I should just trade what I have in and upgrade to these new models when they're released. Heck, the Roland interface and I are now best friends, it makes sense to stay...

However, we'll obviously wait to see what else NAMM will bring.

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#2565501 - 01/25/14 03:32 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Has anyone at NAMM been able to find out from Roland if these machines support the same type of seamless switching or patch remain as it's implemented on the Fantom G? Dave Bryce showed it but it seems that was working per part in a studio set, I want to know if you can switch a whole studio set without dropouts, as the Fantom G's Live Mode does.


Edited by Leh173 (01/25/14 03:32 PM)
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#2565548 - 01/25/14 05:38 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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The patch remain was shown on a couple of the demo vids.
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#2565621 - 01/26/14 01:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Was there one that showed a studio set being changed with no dropout? The ones I saw I couldn't see how they were changing, and it seemed like they were changing the sound in one part with patch remain. The fantom G can do it that way or entire 8 way splits with FX with no dropouts.
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#2565642 - 01/26/14 04:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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How's the brass sound on the FA or RD800?
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#2566764 - 01/28/14 12:45 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: (@)lpaugh]
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For inquiring minds....here is a link to the Roland FA06/08 website with some nice screen shots (18) of the FA series display/interface including FX routing, Sequencer, Sample Edit, TW Organ Edit, SN Piano Edit. Some screens are placed in the background and are partially obstructed but you can get the idea...

http://www.roland.com/synth/fa/

Scroll down to see the Fa display screen shots...

Originally Posted By: (@)lpaugh

- The OLED display needs to be seen in person to appreciate. Viewing it on a website is quite literally like looking at a Retina display on your 22" 1920x1080 LCD monitor. The colors are vibrant, the viewing angles are great. I wouldn't call this a a high res display. Text is definitely still pixelated. Still, the best display to-date.


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#2566793 - 01/28/14 03:35 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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I saw that Steve Fortner commented on how the FA had drawbar control options on the keyboard's display (editable with the up and down keys, more for pre-live programming than anything, I'd imagine). However, I were using, for example, an XW-P1 with it's 9 draw sliders, would I be able to MIDI them up for drawbar control on the FA?
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#2566798 - 01/28/14 04:23 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
I saw that Steve Fortner commented on how the FA had drawbar control options on the keyboard's display (editable with the up and down keys, more for pre-live programming than anything, I'd imagine). However, I were using, for example, an XW-P1 with it's 9 draw sliders, would I be able to MIDI them up for drawbar control on the FA?


AFAIK, we don't know yet if the FA's will respond to drawbar control - like some of the other, current Roland instruments having the latest SN, Tonewheel engine. The JP50 also has the drawbar control option - for saving to Live Sets - on the front panel; the JP80 takes that idea one step further with the touch screen allowing for live, drawbar control. The JP50 will not respond to external drawbar control - via sysex strings, but the JP80, and Integra 7 will.

From what I understand, the XW-P1's sliders do not send MIDI CC; but even if they did, it wouldn't work work the SN TW engine - which requires sysex strings. If the FA series does receive drawbar commands via sysex, then a compact, 9 slider controller that sends sysex would be needed. The two examples that immediately come to mind are the currently manufactured, Ocean Beach DB-1, and the discontinued (but occasionally available) Peavey PC 1600X; but there are a couple of other options out there - from my understanding.

So your options with the FA TW engine are: Best case scenario, pick up a DB-1 to use with the FA; or, worst case scenario, pre-program your favorite drawbar registrations and save them to the FA for live recall. That's what I ended up doing with the JP50: I have about twenty, different TW Live Sets that can be called up. You could adjust the drawbars real-time, live - without relying on external control; but then the process involves accessing one drawbar at a time - scrolling to each, and adjusting up or down. Other than moving one drawbar during the course of a song, that's pretty cumbersome.
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#2566856 - 01/28/14 08:39 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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I spent a lot of time on the FA08 and 06 at NAMM. It was the piece of gear that spoke to me the most, and is a real contender to let my rack go. Reading this thread, here's some questions that were asked (or more rightly, answers to those questions):

1. The keybed on the FA08 feels like the FP8 piano to me; super springy and bouncy. If you knew it, you know it. If you didn't...it's interesting. Certainly playable, but it has its own feel, for sure. As for the 06, I don't know that it's the same as the VR09 as I never played one, but I thought the 06 had a great synth keyboard. Too bad about after touch.

2. The sound is fantastic, at least through headphones. SUPER impressive. I played with the Voice mode a bit, but I was more concerned with SONG mode (they've done away with Performance, so there's just the 2 modes now). And with 16 parts, there are plenty of options to build huge multis. The sounds don't get wheezy or thin in this mode, I'm guessing due to the amount of FX processing available. It really does sound great.

3. The display rocks. I was able to get around pretty quickly on this machine with no instruction, and get things going fast. The flow is logical, and most of your 'gotta know' stuff is on the front page.

4. EASE OF USE. Really, can't say it better than that. I'm a Motif guy, but this was just Fisher Price easy. KUDOS.

5. In Song mode, no midi transmission. Boo hiss. But if I'm replacing my rack, it's a good built-in condom protecting me from just adding this to the rack. smile

6. No individual outputs. Stereo main, and "SUB OUT" which is for the sampler pads.

Cosmetics...it's like a Volvo: boxy but good. I agree, a little sprucing wouldn't hurt, but it's not heinous.

It sounds like Roland, but that's a good thing. I really don't love my FantomXR, even though I use the shit out of it. To me, this is a return to the warm sounds of the JV1080, at least in terms of how great that was when it came out. The FA sounds pretty fantastic, even on the buzzy modern synth sounds (which make me nuts). Roland will also be releasing free sounds, starting with their Vintage Synth Collection, and then the SRX Ultimate Keys.

The sampler pads will also work like a numeric pad for program changes. As an A90 user, one of the things I loved was the ability to take any of the 8 zones in or out with a button push. In song mode, you can set up all 16 pads to work the same. DEFINITELY COOL.

If the MOXF and Krome are its competition, there is no competition. This is a winner, if for no other reason than it's ease of use. but there's a lot more to love about it.


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#2566868 - 01/28/14 09:01 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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no midi on song mode is kind of a deal breaker for me. I'd need to be able to do splits/layers, which i'm guessing is where you'd use song mode, and also send midi program changes to my other boards when I call up a song preset. I have this board on a real short list- to the point that i'm working on the wife, greasing the wheels for a new purchase once it's available.
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#2566873 - 01/28/14 09:24 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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hey tonysounds thanks for that review. very interesting and helpful. I'm considering this as a Fantom G/JV/JP-8k replacement and am excited by the sounds and weight and price…

Glad to read that it sounds fantastic. It sounds from what you are saying that a lot of the "good" UI stuff from the fantom G has been refined, which is great, as that was what attracted me to the Fantom G over the others (and my preference for the Roland sound, build quality etc).

Good that the action is OK. I was in a music store today and the only Roland lower end boards they had were the BK range which actions were OK but a bit toy-ish, but I am very spoiled by the G6 action. I played a 300nx as well which action was fine (and a RD64 seemed similar action) so hopefully the FA08 is good, although Im aiming more for the 06 right now.

I wonder what will come out for these wave expansion slots? I'm sooooo glad they are doing the SRX range because I may be able to punt my JV-1080 and cards finally. I hope they also release more SN expansions so the machine can be customised.

No MIDI transmission in song mode i.e. for the sequencer so it can't talk to ext midi is a massive step backward from the Fantom G, that will be missed.

No individual outputs is also a big step backwards. The Fantom G is very well organised in that regard. I hope this changes, may not be such a big deal if the onboard sounds are really great, but I can't imagine a single good reason to not have the same outs as on the G.

DanL, I wonder if you're thinking of external parts? Until I see the FA06/08 I can't say, but I hope the FA-06 has retained the external parts options Fantom G/X, jupiter-80 and pretty much most Roland keyboards in this category . If they have lopped that off = huge mistake. I somehow doubt it though. They may have just limited the sequencer not to play out externally. Perhaps it's too dumbed down from the G.

The manuals and more videos from Roland can't come out quickly enough. They seem to have a winner here, and with Fantom more or less end of lifed, they should make the most of this!


Edited by Leh173 (01/28/14 09:25 PM)
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#2566877 - 01/28/14 09:28 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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I could always midi up my Sub 37 and use that to play anything I needed aftertouch for, right? wink

But seriously, I love my M3-61, and the keybed is top-notch, but the flaky touch screen has left me in a pickle a few times during gigs, so I've been keeping my eye out for a replacement. This may be it. Lack of aftertouch is the only thing keeping me from setting aside the money immediately.

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#2566882 - 01/28/14 09:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BluMunk]
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Originally Posted By: BluMunk
I could always midi up my Sub 37 and use that to play anything I needed aftertouch for, right? wink

But seriously, I love my M3-61, and the keybed is top-notch, but the flaky touch screen has left me in a pickle a few times during gigs, so I've been keeping my eye out for a replacement. This may be it. Lack of aftertouch is the only thing keeping me from setting aside the money immediately.
Happy birthday, BluMunk!

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#2566885 - 01/28/14 09:34 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BluMunk]
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hey blumunk The Sub37 MIDI'd up sounds like a great idea! haha

I am considering two options, FA06 with D-70 which has aftertouch or FA-08 with A-800pro, which also has aftertouch. Not sure how it brings the cost down so much to leave out aftertouch. Always struck me as one of those dogmatic "lower priced keyboards don't have aftertouch" ideas from the manufacturers… My JP-8000 does't have it, and I never really missed it, even though I've always had aftertouch capable boards. I was stunned when I MIDI'd the JP up to the Fantom and it started getting aftertouch from the Fantom, sounds I'd played for years started to respond so differently… haha

anyway, hanging out to play a FA-06/08 so I can decide.


Edited by Leh173 (01/28/14 09:35 PM)
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#2566902 - 01/28/14 11:04 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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THE best thing about the MOX/F is ability to include VSTi's in layers and splits,combined with internal sounds. This means laptop integration a breeze.

If the FA won't send midi out in multi-timbral mode, it is just stupid.


The pros are - crazy lightweight, nice compact design, sampler pads.
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#2566960 - 01/29/14 06:13 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Happy birthday, BluMunk!


Thanks, Joe!

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#2566965 - 01/29/14 06:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Hi Tony...are you sure about no MIDI TX????

See FA06/08 Specifications summary which indicates 16 parts and 16 MIDI Sequencer tracks. The sequencer screen shot shows 16 sequencer parts/MIDI channels.
http://www.roland.com/products/en/FA-08/
BTW...I didn't see anything about this new MIDI condom feature wink.

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Edited by Cybersoniq (01/29/14 12:53 PM)

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#2566972 - 01/29/14 07:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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In Song mode, no midi transmission. Boo hiss. But if I'm replacing my rack, it's a good built-in condom protecting me from just adding this to the rack. smile

You'd still be using it with another board, right? Either the Nord Stage or the SK1? One condom may not be enough.

But wow, no MIDI transmission in Song Mode? None? Not even plain Note-On-Note-Off which could be finessed on the receiving end if need be? So the only way to send MIDI is in its single voice mode, presumably over a single globally-specified MIDI channel?

So does that also mean there is no mode at all where calling up a patch on the Roland can call up a user-specified MIDI Program Change? (I am guessing that, in Voice mode, if it sends MIDI Program Change at all, it is sending the PC that naturally corresponds to the internal tone that has been called up. I have thought in the past that a great feature would be to have a single voice mode that still could have an arbitrary MIDI Program Change associated with its recallable locations, so one could call up internal and external voices interchangeably with no operational distinction between them, but I'd be kind of amazed if that happened on this of all boards!)

I had been thinking that, apart from the drawbars (and lower price), the FA provided about no reason to buy the VR-09, but while the VR is very limited in its MIDI capabilities, it sounds like it still tops the FA here.

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
No individual outputs. Stereo main, and "SUB OUT" which is for the sampler pads.

In a demo, it was shown that you could send a click track out the Sub Out, so it has some functionality other than pads. The demonstrator said you could also send other things to it, but there was not enough detail to know exactly what. It's a shame if it's just the pads. The idea of being able to do a split and send just the bass or just the organ out the Sub Out was one of the potentially most appealing features I saw in the board. Oh well.

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Roland will also be releasing free sounds, starting with their Vintage Synth Collection, and then the SRX Ultimate Keys.

Also in an online demo, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that the first one coming out was SRX-03, which is Studio (Ultimate Keys is SRX-07), so it sounds like we have two conflicting Roland reps! The online demo also said they would be releasing one a month. Another nice tidbit you seem to have revealed, though, is that they will be free, which is a nice perk, and addresses Busch's earlier worry that they might try to nickel and dime the owners with expansion sounds. (Not that I'd even have begrudged them the opportunity to make a little something on them either!)

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
If the MOXF and Krome are its competition, there is no competition.

As I mentioned elsewhere, it probably would be my choice as well, if I were restricted to a single lightweight board (in this price range). If weight weren't an issue, I might be tempted by the Kurzweil PC3LE. As it is, though, for my own use, I'd stick with the MOXF. Okay, I'm a bit of a sucker for Yamaha sounds, but the MIDI functionality of the board and ability to load a gigabyte of additional sounds (factory, 3rd-party, or my own) into flash still give it the edge for me regardless. But yes, from what I've seen, the interface/ergonomics of the FA--the ease of use you're referring to--looks compelling. For people who don't specifically need something it doesn't offer, who just want a bunch of quality sounds covering pretty much all the bases in a lightweight and well priced package with straight-forward operation, yeah, it looks like a winner.

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#2566974 - 01/29/14 07:09 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Four FA06/08 SoundCloud demos at:
https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sets/fa-06-fa-08-music

#4 Final Answer shows Jazz context...those SN electric guitars and SN Brass in the Integra 7 sure would be nice to add, but those do not seem to appear in the FA deck of cards. That said...these demos sound pretty good wave


Edited by Cybersoniq (01/29/14 07:14 AM)

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#2566976 - 01/29/14 07:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm still not sure whether to ditch the X8 for the FA-08, each new article on it swings me a different way. I was all ready to write Roland of and get a PC3K8 instead...

If it's returning to the sound of the JV-1080, that's nearly a sale for me right there, particularly if SRX-07 is on the way. (It'll also hopefully stop me buying a 1080 just for the nostalgia!) It would be nice to know a bit more about the sampler though.

Obviously, the above is subject to the keybed being to my taste...
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#2566982 - 01/29/14 07:42 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BluMunk]
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But seriously, I love my M3-61, and the keybed is top-notch, but the flaky touch screen has left me in a pickle a few times during gigs, so I've been keeping my eye out for a replacement.


Just have the touch screen overlay replaced (I did last summer). Doesn't cost much and fixes the problem.
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#2566988 - 01/29/14 07:47 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: MorayM]
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I asked the Roland rep specifically about midi transmission in song mode, and he told me no. I am going to be emailing him today, but I will reiterate the question. Before I asked the question, I had spent a lot of time with the machine, and I couldn’t figure out how (or where) to send midi program changes in song mode.

I don’t doubt there’s conflicting info out there about the free downloads, but what I was told was Vintage Keys first (fromJV), and then the SRX Ultimate Keys expansion was next. FWIW.

As for things missing from the Fantom G8, like separate outs, and (if my info is correct) no midi in song mode, well, there’s like $2500 difference in price, so shortcomings are to be expected.

Once I hear back from the rep, I’ll pass the info along.
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#2566993 - 01/29/14 08:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Well most of the Vintage Keys waveforms ended up on Ultimate Keys (mostly the synths and mellotrons IIRC?), I guess we'll get those. The SN pianos and organs will have superceded the Ultimate Keys ones.
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#2566997 - 01/29/14 08:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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On the Sequencer Edit Screen there is a Tone Select column for each of the 16 parts which defines the part's Program Number. You would think that the FA can also send this out over MIDI, say to work with the Integra 7 and its 7000+ tones/sounds. Let's hope the TX of MIDI MSB/LSB program changes is possible. crazy

...and thanks for asking the Roland Rep for the clarification!


Originally Posted By: tonysounds

I asked the Roland rep specifically about midi transmission in song mode, and he told me no. I am going to be emailing him today, but I will reiterate the question. Before I asked the question, I had spent a lot of time with the machine, and I couldn’t figure out how (or where) to send midi program changes in song mode.

Once I hear back from the rep, I’ll pass the info along.

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#2567034 - 01/29/14 09:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Thanks for providing all of this great info on the FA, Tony. Sounds like a solid, self-contained keyboard for gigging, and more... I'm going to check out the SoundCloud demos. Feels like an FP-8 ? That's intriguing. My FP-8 had one of the best, hand-friendly actions ever.

Perhaps the External / MIDI out option on each of the 16 tracks is a sequencer function only; would make sense if what the rep told you is correct. I'm interested in what he clarifies to you about MIDI control on the FA - if there is any, significant capability there. But it's not a deal breaker.

I like the reference to the JV-1080, and the similarities in 'vibe' noted. There is something about that sound, a particular richness and depth. While the SN tones in my JP50 are great for certain things, there are sample-based sounds in my XV-5080 that are much stronger for particular applications. Love that piece, but it's basically dying a slow death on me. So having SN and JV/XV tones in one place is attractive; the open library makes it even more so.
As my CP4 - with some recent programming - now covers all of the core sounds I need from the S90XS (and the ep's and vintage stuff are much stronger), the FA-08 could be a sensible replacement for the 'XS. With both being in the upper 30 lb range, it would be easy switching out the CP and FA - between home studio / live rig, depending on the particular gig. This FA-08 merits more study.
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#2567119 - 01/29/14 12:52 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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well, we're really at manuals and proper information from Roland time about this!

The External MIDI thing is a big question. It's so good in the Fantom G (Studio Sets have a complete 16 zone External MIDI section with saveable MSB/LSB PG changes per part). I would be very disappointed if it hasn't been ported over. I mean why have MIDI ports at all if this is the case? If it only works in Single Mode that will be quite a shame.

As for external outs, the 2nd out is a stereo jack but if it's tied to click out and the SP-404 only that would just be plain weird. The FG and many Roland instruments let you send to A/B stereo outs or 1,2,3,4 individual outs. Can't see why they would limit this.

With the wave expansion slots, maybe they themselves aren't sure what will be available. They dropped the ball big time with the ARX cards on the fantom G, so lets hope they have a better strategy this time. If they are doing the old SRJV80-04-Vintage Synth card, I would be thrilled, but I would imagine they meant the SRX-07 Vintage Keys one which includes most of that card anyway. What SN wave expansion they might make available is anyones guess...

If they are leaving simple features out to meet the brief of a mid-level instrument then they should make the full featured one! The Fantom G is really long in the tooth and seriously needs an update. If they don't want to do that at least give the FA series some of these features!

Time will tell….


Edited by Leh173 (01/29/14 12:54 PM)
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#2567270 - 01/29/14 10:23 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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If they end up encapsulating the drawbar control inside Sysex strings and somebody can figure out what they are, I'll add that support to the DB-1.

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#2567273 - 01/29/14 11:24 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: OB Dave]
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I spent some time with the FA06. I'm used to my Roland A800 Pro controller which also has a synth-feel keyboard but the 06 feels like a new design, or at least one that hasn't been on the Roland controllers I've used (I had an Edirol PCR-M80 before the A800 Pro). The up-down travel seems shorter. It was not as satisfying for me to play. I don't think the difference was due to the lack of aftertouch vs. AT on my A800 - my PCR-M80 has no aftertouch and it's keybed feels the same as my A800.

Can't really comment on the other features or the sounds since I'm a laptop guy. The piano is probably fine for most people but not up to what I'm used to. Then again, I spent some time playing the Fazioli, which put a whole new perspective on things! smile

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#2567555 - 01/30/14 02:50 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Reezekeys]
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I ordered the FA-06 today...based on Dave's video.

I have a Stage 2 and C2D and figure it will cover the rest of the bases.

Thanks, db.

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#2567641 - 01/30/14 09:33 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: OB Dave]
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Originally Posted By: OB Dave
If they end up encapsulating the drawbar control inside Sysex strings and somebody can figure out what they are, I'll add that support to the DB-1.


Like.
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#2567642 - 01/30/14 09:35 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Hey George, where did you order from and what's the ETA?
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#2567698 - 01/31/14 06:16 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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The rep in this Sound On Sound video claims they'll be arriving around March, also that the SRX expansions may be free. Not much else new though.

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#2567727 - 01/31/14 07:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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@tonysounds:

Sweeetwater. They said they would update me with shipping info.

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#2567732 - 01/31/14 07:58 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: MorayM]
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Some of the Ed Diaz NAMM demos also mentioned the upcoming SRX expansion libraries for the two FA virtual expansion slots. Has anyone heard or asked if the FA virtual slots will have SN expansion libraries as well (including some or portions of the existing Integra 7 SN expansion titles)?
Thanks, C
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From the Integra 7 Expansion specification summary:
Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds (6 titles)
ExSN1 Ethnic
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Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds (1 title)
ExPCM HQ GM2 + HQ PCM Sound Collection

* The SRX Series and the Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds use one virtual slot per title.
* The Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds use all four virtual slots

[quote=MorayM]The rep in this Sound On Sound video claims they'll be arriving around March, also that the SRX expansions may be free. Not much else new though.

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#2567746 - 01/31/14 08:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Yes, I asked. The only thing firm is what I relayed already about those slots.
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#2567761 - 01/31/14 08:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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I thought I'd bring this over from the NAMM thread as it's more relevant here at least until the documentation becomes available.

These are the SN instruments I could find on the instrument:
APs, EPs, clavs, B3, FM EPs, one 60s organ and one theater organ.
Acoustic and electric basses
Acoustic guitars (no electrics, distorted, plucked, ethnic)
A small selection of bells and a few mallets
Ensemble strings
Drums
A wide selection of synth tones (basses, leads, pads, box, etc.)

Missing SN sounds include:
Solo strings, brass, woodwinds. Ensemble brass and woodwinds. Electric guitars (all varieties)
Accordions, harps, harmonicas, choirs, saxes, flutes
Ethnic sounds
Percussion, e.g. tympani

Yes there are PCM equivalents to most all of these, but I was disappointed to find many excellent SN acoustic tones to be missing. But the synth tones are very strong and I do think it's a very competitive board in this price range.

Also, it still is unclear as to what exactly can be loaded in the two WAVE EXPANSION SLOTS. Roland describes the two slots as: "The wave expansion slots are rewritable internal waveform memory. You can download data from the Axial sound library site and write it via a USB flash drive into the FA's internal wave memory (slot)." On the Integra they are referred to as EXPANSION VIRTUAL SLOTS and can load SN and SRX sounds.

Busch.

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#2567773 - 01/31/14 09:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds

As an A90 user, one of the things I loved was the ability to take any of the 8 zones in or out with a button push. In song mode, you can set up all 16 pads to work the same.


This really caught my attention. It's a feature I would love to have in my next do-everything board.

As a long term owner of an RD64, I've become quite used to the action and am very ok with it in a gigging board. Far prefer it over the MOXF or Krome action, if that's the competition.
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#2567791 - 01/31/14 09:59 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: burningbusch]
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Thanks BB...read this excellent highlight/review but it is easily lost in the NAMM thread. Good to have it here too.

+1000 that the FA06/08 is "a very competitive board in this price range." The FA trade-offs/limitations don't stop this board from being a very cost-effective, expandable and versatile road workhorse that can integrate well in the studio.

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I thought I'd bring this over from the NAMM thread as it's more relevant here at least until the documentation becomes available.

These are the SN instruments I could find on the instrument:
APs, EPs, clavs, B3, FM EPs, one 60s organ and one theater organ.
Acoustic and electric basses
Acoustic guitars (no electrics, distorted, plucked, ethnic)
A small selection of bells and a few mallets
Ensemble strings
Drums
A wide selection of synth tones (basses, leads, pads, box, etc.)

Missing SN sounds include:
Solo strings, brass, woodwinds. Ensemble brass and woodwinds. Electric guitars (all varieties)
Accordions, harps, harmonicas, choirs, saxes, flutes
Ethnic sounds
Percussion, e.g. tympani

Yes there are PCM equivalents to most all of these, but I was disappointed to find many excellent SN acoustic tones to be missing. But the synth tones are very strong and I do think it's a very competitive board in this price range.

Also, it still is unclear as to what exactly can be loaded in the two WAVE EXPANSION SLOTS. Roland describes the two slots as: "The wave expansion slots are rewritable internal waveform memory. You can download data from the Axial sound library site and write it via a USB flash drive into the FA's internal wave memory (slot)." On the Integra they are referred to as EXPANSION VIRTUAL SLOTS and can load SN and SRX sounds.

Busch.

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#2567798 - 01/31/14 10:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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So, the fa doesn't have any horn section patches?

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#2567799 - 01/31/14 10:28 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: burningbusch]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I thought I'd bring this over from the NAMM thread as it's more relevant here at least until the documentation becomes available.

These are the SN instruments I could find on the instrument:
APs, EPs, clavs, B3, FM EPs, one 60s organ and one theater organ.
Acoustic and electric basses
Acoustic guitars (no electrics, distorted, plucked, ethnic)
A small selection of bells and a few mallets
Ensemble strings
Drums
A wide selection of synth tones (basses, leads, pads, box, etc.)

Missing SN sounds include:
Solo strings, brass, woodwinds. Ensemble brass and woodwinds. Electric guitars (all varieties)
Accordions, harps, harmonicas, choirs, saxes, flutes
Ethnic sounds
Percussion, e.g. tympani

Yes there are PCM equivalents to most all of these, but I was disappointed to find many excellent SN acoustic tones to be missing. But the synth tones are very strong and I do think it's a very competitive board in this price range.

Also, it still is unclear as to what exactly can be loaded in the two WAVE EXPANSION SLOTS. Roland describes the two slots as: "The wave expansion slots are rewritable internal waveform memory. You can download data from the Axial sound library site and write it via a USB flash drive into the FA's internal wave memory (slot)." On the Integra they are referred to as EXPANSION VIRTUAL SLOTS and can load SN and SRX sounds.

Busch.


That's too bad. On the Axial site - the only expansions are of supernatural synth tones. Haven't encountered any acoustic SN that can be loaded of a roland website.

This makes this statement from the short review by keyboardmag, far from accurate:
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Roland today announced the FA series, their first new full-featured synth workstation since 2008's Fantom-G. Available in two sizes, the 61-key FA-06 and 88-key weighted FA-08, it packs all the sounds of the Integra-7 flagship sound module

Obviously not "all" the sounds.
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#2567810 - 01/31/14 10:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: zahush76]
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To be fair, in Keyboard's video demo (Part I at 1:09), dB specifically says the FA does NOT have all of the Integra 7 sounds.

BTW...thanks to and great job by dB!

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#2567811 - 01/31/14 10:55 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: agitato]
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So, the fa doesn't have any horn section patches?


It has horn section brass patches but they are PCM, not SuperNatural.

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#2567826 - 01/31/14 11:31 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: zahush76]
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That's too bad. On the Axial site - the only expansions are of supernatural synth tones. Haven't encountered any acoustic SN that can be loaded of a roland website.

And that makes sense, because the Axial downloadable SN synth tones are, AFAIK, merely settings that manipulate the tone generating elements that are already in the board. New SN acoustic sounds would generally require downloading new samples. AFAIK, none of the existing Axial-supported boards have the ability to have new resident samples loaded into them. But it sounds like the virtual expansion slots of the FA do store new samples, so at least from that perspective, it may not be impossible that new SN instruments could be made available to it in the future.

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#2567893 - 01/31/14 02:51 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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This may have been mentioned but in case it wasn't. I just verified with roland that the srx downloads, available next month, will be free

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#2567894 - 01/31/14 02:53 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jasonbass32]
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I specifically asked about srx 07 and 03. I wonder what this will do to the online (ebay) prices of srx cards. Which IMO are way overpriced. In some cases more double what they were new.

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#2567898 - 01/31/14 03:12 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jasonbass32]
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I specifically asked about srx 07 and 03. I wonder what this will do to the online (ebay) prices of srx cards. Which IMO are way overpriced. In some cases more double what they were new.

I don't know if it will be a big factor... the "free" SRX cards only work in a $1200+ keyboard (and even then, you can only install 2 at a time, which won't work for everyone). Similarly the SRX cards have essentially already been free with the purchase of a $2000 Integra-7. If people just want one card for a device they already own, these options aren't necessarily attractive.

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#2567913 - 01/31/14 04:21 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jasonbass32]
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Originally Posted By: Jasonbass32
This may have been mentioned but in case it wasn't. I just verified with roland that the srx downloads, available next month, will be free



Seeing as you have someone at Roland responding to your questions it would be great to find out exactly what can be loaded into those two slots. Will you be able to load new SN instruments? That's still an open question I believe.

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#2567920 - 01/31/14 04:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: burningbusch]
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How good/realistic, etc., do they sound?

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#2568032 - 02/01/14 01:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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How many Live Presets does the FA-08 have? (Fantom G8 had 512)

And can you still layer up to 16 parts, with individual splits/ranges, and save all of this internally? That's what I need.

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#2568056 - 02/01/14 04:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jasonbass32]
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I specifically asked about srx 07 and 03. I wonder what this will do to the online (ebay) prices of srx cards. Which IMO are way overpriced. In some cases more double what they were new.


Wish I had known that. I struggled to sell my SRX7 here in Norway. I eventually sold it to a guy who was not happy that I had "used it" (what do you expect when you advertise stuff on a second hand site?) and that the sticker was missing… idk

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#2568079 - 02/01/14 06:14 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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Is anything more known about step and/or grid sequencing? I have come to enjoy programming drums in a step grid mode on my MPC and would love to do the same on the FA pads.

Regarding MIDI in song mode.... I am not sure if this is known yet, but I would only need it to respond to MIDI clock (start / stop / tempo) in song mode... I can't imagine it wouldn't, but it never hurts to double check.

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#2568338 - 02/01/14 11:42 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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The bass strings of that "acoustic piano" sound in the video are like no piano I've ever played. What the hell are Roland playing at here?


I think it's just because this wasn't recorded using direct audio out, but rather thru the cam mic. So don't judge the AP by this vid. It sounds quite different on other vids.
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#2568453 - 02/02/14 10:47 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: zahush76]
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Here's a link for a 20 minute demo from Sweetwater - the sound quality is great on the video... very clean. And the video concentrates a lot on the sounds themselves - taking you through various patches and types of sounds. It is also accessible on the Sweetwater Sound YouTube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqT0KNR9Pt4#t=723

I also found a link on You Tube for an FA-08 vs. Integra demo from E-MUZYK.pl. It is not in English but very interesting to watch. They also have some video's on their YouTube home page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHukzEsmZI


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#2568846 - 02/03/14 11:07 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: matlun]
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In the Andertons demo video, Gareth from Roland UK mentions that the FA has 512 User Studio Sets--see link & video at 23:10. This is far better than the Integra's 64 User Studio Sets. This should handle most needs and is good news...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op2XlVV__fE

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#2569029 - 02/03/14 05:14 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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I've seen several demos online for the FA-06, but none showcasing the vocoder. I'm wondering if anyone has any insight about this feature. Thanks! smile

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#2569107 - 02/03/14 09:52 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: voiceontheair]
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Just watched the Sweetwater demo. There are certainly some nice EP's in there.


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#2569648 - 02/05/14 12:10 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Six-string-man]
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Is it correct to assume the FA 06 / 08 can double as midi keyboard controllers...?
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#2569653 - 02/05/14 12:36 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: zahush76]
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Yes it has templates for most major DAW programs over usb midi and a standard midi in/out jacks. So its a safe assumption it can be used as a controller.

update: on the sweetwater page it also says:

Tweak tones, effects, and external MIDI devices in real time via 6 user-assignable Sound Modify knobs


Edited by Toano88 (02/05/14 12:38 PM)
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#2569655 - 02/05/14 12:59 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Someone said something about this, but I wasn't quite sure:

the FA can have up to 16 splits/layers - are we able to put these layers on an external board as well? So if I had the FA-06 and an 88 key controller, could I layer 4 sounds on the FA-06 board while putting 7 on the 88 key'd board at the same time if I wanted to?


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#2569656 - 02/05/14 01:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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So far there's not much clear information other than it has 16 MIDI Tracks. And the DAW remote control features allow the FA "to communicate with your computer via USB, letting you use the keyboard and knobs to send MIDI data to your DAW for playing software synths, controlling plug-in effects, and more."

That said, I'd wait for the details in the FA Op Manual, Parameter Guide and MIDI Spec.

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#2569699 - 02/05/14 05:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
Someone said something about this, but I wasn't quite sure:

the FA can have up to 16 splits/layers - are we able to put these layers on an external board as well? So if I had the FA-06 and an 88 key controller, could I layer 4 sounds on the FA-06 board while putting 7 on the 88 key'd board at the same time if I wanted to?


I'd imagine this should work. You should be able to plug in a MIDI controller and access sounds via midi channels. How many sounds the external controller can access will depend on how many zones it has or how things can orgnised on the FA.
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#2570002 - 02/06/14 06:10 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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Hi... Buying an FA06 instead a VR09 what do we loose, just the drawbars, or anything else? For about 100€ (140USD) more there are way a lot of features worth of it, IMO.
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#2570919 - 02/10/14 10:13 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: jvckey]
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Song Mode: No midi transmission of program or bank changes to external gear at this time. The rep has asked for it in an OS update, but as of now, you can’t do it.

SRX expansion releases: Actually, the first 3 expansion boards will be released monthly in this order; SRX-05 Platinum Trax, SRX-07 Ultimate Keys, SRX-09 World Collection. The rest of the SRX expansion boards will follow every month as well.

What will go in the expansion slots: From what I (the rep) understand, the SRX expansion board collections will go in these slots, as well as other sound collections that will also be available from www.axial.roland.com .
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#2570920 - 02/10/14 10:17 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Song Mode: No midi transmission of program or bank changes to external gear at this time. The rep has asked for it in an OS update, but as of now, you can’t do it.

SRX expansion releases: Actually, the first 3 expansion boards will be released monthly in this order; SRX-05 Platinum Trax, SRX-07 Ultimate Keys, SRX-09 World Collection. The rest of the SRX expansion boards will follow every month as well.

What will go in the expansion slots: From what I (the rep) understand, the SRX expansion board collections will go in these slots, as well as other sound collections that will also be available from www.axial.roland.com .





I think I saw that midi data will transmit though, so if you have another board/module connected whatever is on the track that is selected as external and that channel will pass, which is ok for now.
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#2571028 - 02/10/14 02:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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I recently used a Korg Kross for a few hours and was amazed at how user friendly is was compared to my long departed Yamaha XS7 and Korg M3. Of course it has a very pared down feature set for a "workstation", but it has most of the capabilities I want and was dead simple and fast to use, esp. the audio recording, which includes overdubbing (!).

? My biggest question beyond the feel of the keybed and quality of sounds is how useful/friendly the audio and midi recording are, and the integration of the two. My experience so far has been there's a midi note that triggers the audio, and to hear the audio you've got to start from the beginning of the audio clip (so that that the midi note can trigger it)- neither of those approaches are very user friendly in my book.

They talk about non-stop loop recording up to 16 tracks, but I've yet to see a demo yet that demonstrates how that is done. And they talk about 16 discreet tracks of audio and midi- which would be fanfreakin'tastic, but is that just the usb stream to a PC or is that what is recorded to the SD card?

The devil can be in the details- I've heard horror stories of the file structure with the Fantom X, and had a horrible time myself with the file structure of the Motif XS (I imagine many of those issues were resolved with the XF: sample editor/librarian and new samples that are in flash memory).

Anyway, if anyone has thoughts/experience with this on the FA series please share!

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#2571032 - 02/10/14 02:44 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Song Mode: No midi transmission of program or bank changes to external gear at this time. The rep has asked for it in an OS update, but as of now, you can’t do it.

An earlier post read like the keyboard didn't transmit MIDI at all in song mode, you had to be in voice mode. If it transmits MIDI in song mode (not Program Changes, but at least Note On/Note Off), at least there could be some workarounds. Since the VR-09 allows you to create registrations that send MIDI Program Change, that could be another benefit of a VR over an FA, though.

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#2571153 - 02/11/14 07:16 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Thanks for the update Tony.

So much for Roland's product focus for the FA series workstation, "...reimagines the music workstation...effortless real-time power, ultra-fast workflow, and maximum versatility."

With the lack of external MIDI program change capability, the FA series has neither effortless power, ultra-fast workflow nor maximum flexibility. With no MIDI PC TX, how would you integrate the FA 16 track MIDI sequencer with external sounds in your existing gear or with the Roland Integra's 6000+ tones?????

REALLY BIG OOOPS Mr. Product Manager shocked

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Song Mode: No midi transmission of program or bank changes to external gear at this time. The rep has asked for it in an OS update, but as of now, you can’t do it.

SRX expansion releases: Actually, the first 3 expansion boards will be released monthly in this order; SRX-05 Platinum Trax, SRX-07 Ultimate Keys, SRX-09 World Collection. The rest of the SRX expansion boards will follow every month as well.

What will go in the expansion slots: From what I (the rep) understand, the SRX expansion board collections will go in these slots, as well as other sound collections that will also be available from www.axial.roland.com .





Edited by Cybersoniq (02/11/14 07:48 AM)

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#2571171 - 02/11/14 08:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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direct from the site:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1299/457

•Tweak tones, effects, and external MIDI devices in real time with six user-assignable Sound Modify knobs

If that is only in voice mode, fail. I can't see something like this being omitted.
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#2571187 - 02/11/14 08:37 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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direct from the site:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1299/457

•Tweak tones, effects, and external MIDI devices in real time with six user-assignable Sound Modify knobs

If that is only in voice mode, fail. I can't see something like this being omitted.


Looks like the external MIDI device reference is tied in to DAW / software instrument use - somewhat like the Yamaha MX 49/61. Seems that Roland is hinting at the 'Sound Modify' knobs being used with the 'learn' function of software instruments. Live, 'controller' use appears to single, external instrument - via MIDI - in 'voice' mode. Think D50, not D70; or VR-700, not Fantom G.

Unless the OS update that Tony mentioned happens, the FA series looks to be more of a self-contained system - with some DAW control capabilities - than an instrument with comprehensive external controller features. And updating Song mode to include 16-zone, full external control is a major OS feature upgrade; I wonder if it'll happen.
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#2571194 - 02/11/14 08:47 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett

Unless the OS update that Tony mentioned happens, the FA series looks to be more of a self-contained system - with some DAW control capabilities - than an instrument with comprehensive external controller features.



Yeah, this. And it's pretty well self-contained.
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#2571217 - 02/11/14 09:32 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Well, my slowly rising interest in the FA-08 just totally deflated after this revelation.


These companies get so close, then......
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#2571219 - 02/11/14 09:33 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Really? Did you intend to bring a rack or other stuff to control with the FA08?
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#2571220 - 02/11/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Well Roland has fixed several of the issues with the VR-09 so I wouldn't count them out out just yet. The board isn't even shipping yet.
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#2571221 - 02/11/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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Looks like the external MIDI device reference is tied in to DAW / software instrument use - somewhat like the Yamaha MX 49/61.

Seems like that could be a good analogy. I'd still find it a bit surprising if you could not store so much as a single external program change command in some kind of preset (as mentioned, even the VR-09 can do that)... even if for no other reason than it makes it harder to entertain the possibility of building on the FA by adding an Integra-7, which is an idea Roland might like to support. But then, what would a new Roland product be without at least one WTF head-scratcher. But assuming that it at least transmits MIDI note-on/note-off in its performance mode, you could use an iPad to split/layer additional external sounds, with whatever program changes you want to send.

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#2571223 - 02/11/14 09:35 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Maybe I need to reread the posts.. wink

I really want my main board (88) to be able to be a master that sends prog change to other boards or external gear.

I could be misreading what you all are saying here...which wouldn't be the first time.....
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#2571224 - 02/11/14 09:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I believe we are talking about the sequencer not sending bank and program changes.
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#2571226 - 02/11/14 09:40 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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I believe we are talking about the sequencer not sending bank and program changes.


LOL see? this is what happens when I get taken to the last page of a new to me thread and start reading from there smile

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#2571231 - 02/11/14 10:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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+1 AS.

I think the potential value of integrating the FA with an Integra-7 overcomes some of the FA weaknesses that include exclusion of many important SN Acoustic sounds and 128 voice limit (also a potential weakness in the Integra). This is why I am optimistic that Roland will enable FA 16 MIDI Sequencing with MIDI TX Program Change capability. Fingers crossed.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
[quote=allan_evett] I'd still find it a bit surprising if you could not store so much as a single external program change command in some kind of preset (as mentioned, even the VR-09 can do that)... even if for no other reason than it makes it harder to entertain the possibility of building on the FA by adding an Integra-7, which is an idea Roland might like to support. mode, you could use an iPad to split/layer additional external sounds, with whatever program changes you want to send.

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#2571232 - 02/11/14 10:03 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett

Unless the OS update that Tony mentioned happens, the FA series looks to be more of a self-contained system - with some DAW control capabilities - than an instrument with comprehensive external controller features.



Yeah, this. And it's pretty well self-contained.

I agree.

And the approach isn't really even surprising... the limitations even in the VR-09 and VR-700 have often been congruent with the idea that everything you're going to want is in the board, those boards are not very flexible in how they relate outside their own environment, that does seem to be part of Roland's philosophy in some of their designs. An issue I had with both the VRs is that MIDI functionality is limited, and also that you can't pan sounds so they can be routed/processed separately externally, and all of that is consistent with the idea of, "Why should you want to? This gives you everything you need, internally."

But even those boards provided some MIDI Program Change function,... quite limited by most standards, but it seems more than what's in the FA. It would just be nice to be able to easily integrate something external, should you ever want to. An example I've used with the VR-09 is that you can set it up so that when you configure presets, you could set them up to engage or disengage a Burn via MIDI, depending on whether or not you're using an organ sound. But Roland might say, "why would you want to? we give you a great rotary sim!"

If you wanted to add some sound that was weak in the FA, let's say a strong mellotron sound, it would be nice to be able to integrate it into a performance by tapping into your iPad for example, without having to also configure your system to actually have to then do your patch selection from the iPad instead of using the nice system in the FA. But again, it seems like Roland wants to say that all the sounds you might need, you'll find inside.

I think what makes it a bit surprising in the FA is that (a) I can't think of any other workstation that doesn't lend itself to combining internal and external sounds if desired, and (b) the comparably priced competitors do have the function (MOXF, Krome, PC3LE). Not that every board of a certain price should be expected to have every feature of every other board at its price, there are cost trade-offs, and companies have different design priorities. But it is hard to see how this omission could have been a cost saver, or how adding it would have been a significant operational complication. (I do appreciate what appears to be a general emphasis on simplicity.)

All that said... The FA still looks great, and I'm not sure the feature's absence will cost them a lot of sales. But... it would have been nice. And it gives me another reason to say that personally I'd be happier with the MOXF. It would be nice if Yamaha made similar efforts towards updating their interface and ergonomics.

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#2571233 - 02/11/14 10:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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+1 AS.

I think the potential value of integrating the FA with an Integra-7 overcomes some of the FA weaknesses that include exclusion of many important SN Acoustic sounds and 128 voice limit (also a potential weakness in the Integra).

Yes... and also you'd be able to load a total of 6 SRX cards worth of sounds instead of 2. The combination gets a little pricey, but the system would be very capable and very portable, if there were a way to integrate the internal and external sounds from the FA itself.

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#2571244 - 02/11/14 10:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Unless the OS update that Tony mentioned happens, the FA series looks to be more of a self-contained system - with some DAW control capabilities - than an instrument with comprehensive external controller features.



Yeah, this. And it's pretty well self-contained.


Exactly. For a lot of playing situations, this keyboard will cover the bases well on its own.
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#2571274 - 02/11/14 11:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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Why does the FA have 16 MIDI tracks then? Seems like a missed opportunity if the only intent is to save your sequencer sketches as a SMF to export into a DAW. Some basic MIDI controller capabilities would be a nice fit too. wave

Originally Posted By: allan_evett

For a lot of playing situations, this keyboard will cover the bases well on its own.

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#2571281 - 02/11/14 12:10 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Well Roland has fixed several of the issues with the VR-09 so I wouldn't count them out out just yet. The board isn't even shipping yet.


Actually the board shipped weeks ago via boat, and are in US Customs. But updates can happen at any time obviously.
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#2571294 - 02/11/14 12:50 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett

For a lot of playing situations, this keyboard will cover the bases well on its own.


Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq
Why does the FA have 16 MIDI tracks then? Seems like a missed opportunity if the only intent is to save your sequencer sketches as a SMF to export into a DAW. Some basic MIDI controller capabilities would be a nice fit too. wave


I agree, it seems a missed opportunity. You'd think with the MOX's, Kronos derivatives, and PC3 LE's all having some degree of MIDI controller capability Roland would've put some of that in the FA series. But I'd go nuts trying to second-guess manufacturers every time, and each one has their particular quirks. That's why I've been using Roland keyboards recently as stand-alone, live playing instruments, i.e. - JP50. It has a very limited, front panel MIDI control interface (under the hood the MIDI control setup is OK). So I focus on it as a single 'board; and it sounds like nothing else for certain stuff I do.
If I wanted a synth with lots of MIDI control, etc, I would've picked up a Fantom G6 or G7. But I already have a Kronos 61, second tier (wish it was a 76, though deadhorse), and my 88's have enough controller capability, if needed.

As Tony said, the FA's are just on the cusp of release. So possibly a future OS update will have some MIDI control added. But, if I was planning to purchase an FA I'd get it for what it does right now. If capable, live MIDI control is needed, better off looking elsewhere at this point in time.
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#2571301 - 02/11/14 01:14 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: allan_evett]
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This could be the case of Roland's time to market decision and the FA product release for NAMM where Roland decided it will do added/final touches with OS updates. Lots of speculation fun in the thread...we haven't seen the FA owner's manual and parameter guide, so we are still shooting in the dark about the FA specific capabilities and limitations.

...this ship(ment) will land soon wink


Originally Posted By: allan_evett

So possibly a future OS update will have some MIDI control added. But, if I was planning to purchase an FA I'd get it for what it does right now. If capable, live MIDI control is needed, better off looking elsewhere at this point in time.

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#2571373 - 02/11/14 04:43 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Why does the FA have 16 MIDI tracks then? Seems like a missed opportunity if the only intent is to save your sequencer sketches as a SMF to export into a DAW. Some basic MIDI controller capabilities would be a nice fit too. wave


I've watched every demo of this board I can find over the last several days. I'm really liking what I'm seeing so far. It's rapidly rising on my best-bang-for-the-buck list. This is the first affordable lightweight keyboard I've heard that sounds at least as good if not better than my PC3. And, it even has scat voices. That's one big reason why I've kept with Kurzweil for the last 6 or 7 years. Their Take 6 voices sound great and one demo of the FA06 had a too brief demo of Roland's scat singers. I would want to test that but the little I heard sounded pretty good.

I think the answer to your question is tied into what one of the guys said about it integrating with Abelton Live. Those 16 pads link to scene changes in Abelton as well as being used to create backing tracks using the sampler. For a one man band type of thing this FA rocks. It seems to me like this board is primarily designed for live performance from the board itself, not for controlling a rack full of stuff but if that can be included in an update then everybody's happy.

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#2571380 - 02/11/14 05:37 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jazzmammal]
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Yep!

I'm pretty excited by this board, and if they do add midi control, that would just be killer.
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#2571402 - 02/11/14 08:26 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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I'm pretty sold on it regardless of the midi part. With 16 parts anything I use my Stage for can be consolidated to 1 board. I can use the sampler and trigger it from the sequencer for some of the Floyd stuff Then I can get an SK1 for the top board which would only need to do what it does best and maybe cover some parts with the extra voices and not worry about any complex setups like I have now. It's new rig time. I even told my wife.
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#2571403 - 02/11/14 08:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Want to add- I saw a couple videos demoing the SN pianos and EPs, there is a lot of control and the sounds are really good.
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#2571446 - 02/12/14 05:37 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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. I even told my wife.


If we don't hear from you in 24 hours, we'll know her reaction.



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#2571467 - 02/12/14 06:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the SK1-73 first. I'll have a bit of reprogramming to do to modify some patches in the Yamaha to make up for the loss of the Nord synth section. It won't be that much work really, it's about 10 patches for 1 band and they are all pretty easy changes to make, and about 6-7 for the Floyd band. Some of those will require a little more thought and more actual creation of sounds to add into the splits, but I have plenty of time on those.

I can get immediate impact with the SK1 on the blues gigs too.
Then I can sell the Nord to get some cash to put down on the Roland once it comes out, recreate all my stuff on that, and then sell the Yamaha. This will give the Roland time to "mature" in case there are any bugs in the system.

Sound like a plan?
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#2571470 - 02/12/14 07:00 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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I never tell my wife.

I take that back, sometimes I tell my wife just to have something to talk about.

I run all band expenses and band deposits through my own seperate account. ... I couldn't keep track of stuff otherwise. End of year I would be screwed.

I never buy anything brand new straight out of the chute. Another reason I went with the MiniVent rather than getting one of the units from the very first batch of Vent IIs. Even though I conduct band business without my wife's permission, at heart I am still a chicken.


Edited by CEB (02/12/14 07:02 AM)
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#2571471 - 02/12/14 07:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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$hit. I was ready to pull the trigger. Overhead garage door sprung/exploded/crashed when I tried to open it last nite. THANKFULLY, it did not damage our cars or motorcycles. It did however cost $700. Just dropped over $2k on car repairs for my youngest son, spent a lot more than that on my wife's bike for Christmas. Saw I still have a few K in medical bills from January.

Looks like this might have to wait a couple months.
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#2571473 - 02/12/14 07:04 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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#2571480 - 02/12/14 07:14 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the SK1-73 first.

If you're not going to play piano parts on the SK1 (since it will either be over an S70XS or an FA-08), then I think an SK1-61 on top would be all you'd need, saving a little $ and a little weight. And organ always "feels" most right to me on a board that ends in a high C.

On a different note, assuming a main goal is to reduce the weight compared to your S70XS, personally I might pick the MOXF8 over the FA-08. The Yamaha is lighter, and gives you all the Yamaha sounds you're used to. And since you're also replacing the Nord, the MOXF also gives you the ability to load new/custom sounds into flash, a Nord feature you will otherwise be losing. The FA has the clonewheel organ, but you'll have that in the SK1. OTOH, I do see the advantages of the Roland ergonomics/interface, the VA synth (that you would be losing from the Nord), and some nice SN sounds. So... two good choices, I guess.

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#2571486 - 02/12/14 07:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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The SK1 73 is a great choice (IMO) for a 2board rig that requires great Hammond sounds, especially i you do left hand organ while the right hand is doing something else.

The ergonomics of the 73 make left hand organ so much more comfortable. And for the clav....
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#2571493 - 02/12/14 07:39 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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The ergonomics of the 73 make left hand organ so much more comfortable. And for the clav....

Good point about the clav, if that's a factor.

For LH organ, I guess if you're trying to simulate a dual manual via a split, the extra keys can help. I'd be more inclined to use the 88 beneath as a lower manual if needed, but it's all a compromise of some sort.

Of course, if the SK1-73 had a low E, it would be a lot more useful for general LH bass use, too.

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#2571508 - 02/12/14 08:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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CEB, after 31 years together, it's in my best interest to tell her. Don't ask how I know this... smile The adage "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission" doesn't work here.

Tony, a couple months won't hurt- sucks about the unexpected stuff. We just bought a new bike for my wife too, she's got a bad knee and didn't feel safe on 2 wheels. It was either no riding ever again (she won't set foot on my Concours!) or go to 3 wheels. So, she opted for a Can-Am.

There will be gigs that I'll use the SK1 for piano parts- blues band stuff where I only bring 1 board and play mostly organ but might need piano/EP on a few songs, and I have some other settings where I would only bring the Nord in. I don't think a 61 would cut it for that. If I didn't have that need, I'd probably go right for the XK1c.

The MOXF isn't really an upgrade over the S70XS to me. It's not really a weight factor, more of a functional one. There are features it has that the XS doesn't have, but the Roland has those, plus the sampler pads are a definite plus for the Floyd band since I use the SP404SX now to trigger samples. I can port those right over and not need to bring the SP out anymore. Plus, I'm intrigued with the SN sounds, I like what I've heard of them, and I've always been a Roland fan but their 88 note workstations were always too far up the food chain for me. I've always sort of had the "what can I get for around $2000" type of mind set. After weighing my needs, I think the SK is something I can immediately work into my rig with little difficulty, have an improved organ sound with all of the tweaks and custom stuff guys like Jim have available, and hey, who doesn't like a Hammond?
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#2571516 - 02/12/14 08:23 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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THe pads are a selling point for me too, for the same reason: I use an SP202 sampler which I look forward to retiring.
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#2571523 - 02/12/14 08:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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There will be gigs that I'll use the SK1 for piano parts- blues band stuff where I only bring 1 board and play mostly organ but might need piano/EP... I don't think a 61 would cut it for that. If I didn't have that need, I'd probably go right for the XK1c.
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The MOXF isn't really an upgrade over the S70XS to me. It's not really a weight factor, more of a functional one. There are features it has that the XS doesn't have, but the Roland has those, plus the sampler pads

Sounds like a good plan, those choices do sound perfect for you! Kind of a shame to go from two boards with aftertouch to none, but I guess you really don't use it much.

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#2571550 - 02/12/14 09:31 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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The ONLY thing I'll miss. I do use AT, especially on the Nord, but it's not really a dealbreaker.
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#2571576 - 02/12/14 10:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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$hit. I was ready to pull the trigger. Overhead garage door sprung/exploded/crashed when I tried to open it last nite. THANKFULLY, it did not damage our cars or motorcycles. It did however cost $700. Just dropped over $2k on car repairs for my youngest son, spent a lot more than that on my wife's bike for Christmas. Saw I still have a few K in medical bills from January.

Looks like this might have to wait a couple months.


Damn, brother....it's time for good karma to start smiling on you. Glad you weren't hurt. I had a garage spring get away from me once, and the distance it went before hitting a wall scared the crap outta me.
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#2571577 - 02/12/14 10:23 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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THe pads are a selling point for me too, for the same reason: I use an SP202 sampler which I look forward to retiring.


Likewise for me too. There are so many things in our show I could use those pads for to make life easier on a gig.
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#2571599 - 02/12/14 11:24 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds
$hit. I was ready to pull the trigger. Overhead garage door sprung/exploded/crashed when I tried to open it last nite. THANKFULLY, it did not damage our cars or motorcycles. It did however cost $700. Just dropped over $2k on car repairs for my youngest son, spent a lot more than that on my wife's bike for Christmas. Saw I still have a few K in medical bills from January.

Looks like this might have to wait a couple months.


Damn, brother....it's time for good karma to start smiling on you. Glad you weren't hurt. I had a garage spring get away from me once, and the distance it went before hitting a wall scared the crap outta me.



. . . yeah, there's a lot of tension in those springs; they can be pretty dangerous! As an aside, always hire someone else to do that work, no matter how handy you are. It's pretty easy to get maimed/seriously injured, so let someone who knows what they're doing take the risk!

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#2571612 - 02/12/14 11:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: BluMunk]
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Reminds me, I still have to run safety cables through the springs on one of my doors. I only moved in 5 years ago, so I guess I can't claim the "I've been too busy" defense any more.

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#2571680 - 02/12/14 03:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Why does the FA have 16 MIDI tracks then? Seems like a missed opportunity if the only intent is to save your sequencer sketches as a SMF to export into a DAW.

You can render each track as a .WAV file for export as well.

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#2571782 - 02/13/14 10:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Why does the FA have 16 MIDI tracks then? Seems like a missed opportunity if the only intent is to save your sequencer sketches as a SMF to export into a DAW.

You can render each track as a .WAV file for export as well.

dB

Thanks dB...this is a really great feature of the FA. Roland has really packed in a great feature set at the FA series' very attractive price point.

That said, the focus of my open ended question was more about the FA MIDI controller capabilities (there's the 16 MIDI tracks as well as external MIDI device real-time control with the six user-assignable Sound Modify knobs). I think you wrote you are reviewing the FA. If so, can you check the FA Sequencer Song Mode/Studio Set mode if users can define external MIDI TX channels, program numbers, MSB/LSB banks and CCs (for MIDI controller functionality).

It may be as others have said that the intent of the FA is a more self-contained/streamlined workstation where you can develop ideas using the on-board goodies and then offload projects to DAWs for further production.

Thanks again, C wave

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#2571840 - 02/13/14 12:33 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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can you check the FA Sequencer Song Mode/Studio Set mode if users can define external MIDI TX channels, program numbers, MSB/LSB banks and CCs (for MIDI controller functionality).


You mean check to see if you can set the MIDI RECEIVE channels for each part, and whether they can accept program and bank select.
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#2571870 - 02/13/14 01:15 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq
can you check the FA Sequencer Song Mode/Studio Set mode if users can define external MIDI TX channels, program numbers, MSB/LSB banks and CCs (for MIDI controller functionality).


You mean check to see if you can set the MIDI RECEIVE channels for each part, and whether they can accept program and bank select.

Hi Tony,
Maybe we're talking about the same thing...maybe not???

The focus of my question about the FA is using it as a MIDI controller of external gear where FA TX MIDI 1-16-> External MIDI devices 1...N RX MIDI 1-16.

Specifically, I mean for each of the 16 MIDI tracks, can each MIDI track send (TX) note/controller data to a user defined MIDI channel number, each with its own specific program and bank number. (Where MIDI Receive channel is set on the desired external device(s).

The Motif/MOXF line and Korg M3/M50/Krome line can do this.

If this can be done on each of the FA 16 MIDI tracks, than the FA could control both internal sounds and (when FA MIDI track is set to external TX) any other MIDI synths, modules EFX or routers, etc.

Does this make sense or did I miss something. Apologies if I am not clear. Regards, C wave

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#2571878 - 02/13/14 01:28 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Like I have posted numerous times in this thread, the FA WILL NOT transmit program or bank select info in Song mode.

Maybe they will do an OS update (the rep I talked to has already formally asked for it) but there is no promise or whiff of intent to add that feature.

But as of now, the FA does not have that capability.

I agree this is a feature that should be there, which is why I posted about it in the first place. But to be clear, the FA will not do that now.


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#2571905 - 02/13/14 02:31 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds
I agree this is a feature that should be there, which is why I posted about it in the first place. But to be clear, the FA will not do that now.


Thanks Tony!

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#2571920 - 02/13/14 03:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq
I think you wrote you are reviewing the FA.

Yes, I have one here I'm reviewing for Keyboard mag. thu

Sorry I haven't posted more about it in this thread...I'm not sure how much it's cool for me to talk about an instrument I'm reviewing during the review process.

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Like I have posted numerous times in this thread, the FA WILL NOT transmit program or bank select info in Song mode.

Actually, as far as I can tell, the FA doesn't even send note data to external devices when playing back recorded tracks in sequencer mode.

I hooked it up to my Sub Phatty, and when I played Part 1 (set to channel 1) from the sequencer page, the Sub Phatty (also set to Channel 1) triggered fine...but when I recorded a track and played it back, the Sub Phatty did not trigger. idk

Here's what's weird about that - each track has a TYPE setting, and the two selectable options are PAD and MIDI...so you'd figure it would send MIDI info out the MIDI out jack from each track....but it doesn't seem to.

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#2571922 - 02/13/14 03:11 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Actually, as far as I can tell, the FA doesn't even send note data to external devices when playing back recorded tracks in sequencer mode.

No note data either...ouch! That's even worse than we thought. crazy

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#2571931 - 02/13/14 03:34 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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as far as I can tell, the FA doesn't even send note data to external devices when playing back recorded tracks in sequencer mode.

I'm a little confused about the modes... It was mentioned earlier that there are two modes: Voice and Song. If you're doing splits and layers in live performance, does that mean you're using Song mode? Or does it support splits/layers in Voice mode? And does it transmit MIDI Note On/Note Off in both Voice and Song mode, assuming you're not playing back tracks?

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#2571941 - 02/13/14 04:09 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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There are 3 modes, voice, split/layer, and song. If voice and split/layer have the same capability, that's at least a point in favor. It's hard to believe there is no midi transmission in song mode, a big miss on Roland's part.
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#2571948 - 02/13/14 04:38 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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There are 3 modes, voice, split/layer, and song.

Not exactly.

Single, Dual, Split and Studio Set. You do not have to be on the sequencer page to use a Sound Set. Sound Sets let you assign up to 16 parts to any channel(s) - like a Combi/Performance...



...and yes, the FA does transmit note data and program changes in Studio Set mode.

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#2571952 - 02/13/14 04:57 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Isn't it a wonderful cross-word riddle Roland made here ? There has to be a meaning to the terminology and deliberate limitations.

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#2571954 - 02/13/14 05:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
There are 3 modes, voice, split/layer, and song.

Not exactly.

Single, Dual, Split and Studio Set. You do not have to be on the sequencer page to use a Sound Set. Sound Sets let you assign 16 parts to any channel - like a Combi/Performance...



...and yes, the FA does transmit note data and program changes in Studio Set mode.

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OK, I knew there was a dual type "layer" mode. Good to know that in the studio set that midi is sent, I'd be using that live. That really removes any ah crap feeling I had with the no midi in sequence mode since I don't do much live sequencing.
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#2571955 - 02/13/14 05:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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dave when is your review going to be published?
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#2571956 - 02/13/14 05:09 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: DanL
There are 3 modes, voice, split/layer, and song.

Not exactly.

Single, Dual, Split and Studio Set. You do not have to be on the sequencer page to use a Sound Set. Sound Sets let you assign up to 16 parts to any channel(s) - like a Combi/Performance...

...and yes, the FA does transmit note data and program changes in Studio Set mode.

Oh! Then it sounds like this "problem" we've been talking about--playing and controlling additional MIDI devices during live performance--may not be a problem at all!

How many Program Changes can be associated with a Studio Set?

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#2571965 - 02/13/14 05:54 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
dave when is your review going to be published?

I dunno. It just went to Roland for fact check, so probably the next issue after the Crystal Method one that just came out.

FWIW, I did the Crystal Method interview. thu

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How many Program Changes can be associated with a Studio Set?

No idea. I didn't try changing Studio Sets with it connected to multiple units - I just changed programs on Part 1 in the first Studio Set, and it changed the program on my Sub Phatty.

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#2571992 - 02/13/14 07:16 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Roland posted the manual and MIDI Implementation Guide (36 pages....wow).

Here's the relevant info on MIDI TX of channel and program number:

n = MIDI channel number: 0H - FH (ch.1 - 16)
pp = Program number: 00H - 7FH (prog.1 - prog.128)
* These messages are transmitted when Tone, Drum Kit or Studio Set is selected.
* But not transmitted when Transmit Program Change parameter (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI)is OFF.

The MIDI Implementation chart (manual, page 119) indicates that the sequencer section DOES Transmit MIDI note data AND program change numbers (1-127). So dB may have found a bug in his test with the sequencer setting, recording or transmitting MIDI note data.

Regards, C




Edited by Cybersoniq (02/13/14 07:35 PM)

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#2572004 - 02/13/14 08:28 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Yes the manuals are out just had a quick skim though.

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=FA-06

The good: on page 63 it says it has these modes for the sequencer (more or less the same as the Fantom G)

Value Explanation
INT The internal sound engine of the FA is played.
EXT An external sound module connected to the MIDI
OUT connector is played.
BOTH Both the internal sound engine and the external
sound module are played.
OFF The track does not output data.

It also appears the sequencer has range of editing tools, which I didn't expect, which at first glance seems similar to the Fantom G. No mention of RPS though.

The bad news (or I couldn't find any mention) is that the External Part screen/functions in the Fantoms Live/Studio mode seems to be completely missing! I hope that is not the case, as it makes controlling external gear alongside the internal sounds a breeze on the Fantom. Not sure if these features have been moved in the DAW control section and renamed...

Also there is scant mention of seamless sound change (which the Fantom supports in Live Mode) but it does mention patch remain in the system settings. I would still like to know if an entire studio set can be changed without sound dropouts. I'm guessing no.

Details on the Studio sets are pretty thin, like how the outputs work etc. Also seems like ext audio cannot be processed through a usual MFX block (like on the Fantom G).

Need to read more and actually play one...


Edited by Leh173 (02/13/14 08:29 PM)
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#2572006 - 02/13/14 08:36 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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Originally Posted By: Leh173
The good: on page 63 it says it has these modes for the sequencer (more or less the same as the Fantom G)

Value Explanation
INT The internal sound engine of the FA is played.
EXT An external sound module connected to the MIDI
OUT connector is played.
BOTH Both the internal sound engine and the external
sound module are played.
OFF The track does not output data.


They're right, of course....

My unit didn't come with a manual, and I couldn't find that setting. I called Roland US to ask them about it, and they told me they didn't have the book yet either, but they didn't see how to do it either.

Glad to hear it is in there. thu

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#2572008 - 02/13/14 08:41 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
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The good: on page 63 it says it has these modes for the sequencer (more or less the same as the Fantom G)

Value Explanation
INT The internal sound engine of the FA is played.
EXT An external sound module connected to the MIDI
OUT connector is played.
BOTH Both the internal sound engine and the external
sound module are played.
OFF The track does not output data.


They're right, of course....

My unit didn't come with a manual, and I couldn't find that setting. I called Roland US to ask them about it, and they told me they didn't have the book yet either, but they didn't see how to do it either.

Glad to hear it is in there. thu

dB



Great stuff. I guess this is all happening very quickly. BTW on the Fantom G series on the sequencer there is a column Out Assign, which can be scrolled through to select the output of the track. That Fantom has the same settings as the FA (with the addition of "phrase").

I wonder if you could try something Dave, and see if the patch remain works when you change studio sets?
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#2572011 - 02/13/14 08:47 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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I wonder if you could try something Dave, and see if the patch remain works when you change studio sets?

It does not.

It works well if you're changing patches within the Studio Set or Sequencer page - even if you switch parts - but not if you change the Studio Set.

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#2572013 - 02/13/14 08:54 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Thanks for that Dave. I figured as much. Seems the Studio Set is pretty much the same as the Fantom G's Studio Mode, which couldn't be switched either, but parts within it could be. The Fantom's Live Mode made the 61 key version workable for pretty much anything, so it's a shame to lose that.

BTW I do like the inclusion of a KBD switch on the pads though, that is a good move. We have to create RPS phrases to do that on the Fantom G. It could select parts, but not turn keyboard switches on and off which will be brilliant for quickly layering loads of sounds and bringing things in and out.

Can you see anywhere to control external MIDI gear from the Studio Set? On the Fantom G there is a whopping great big page called "External" where external gear control (keyboard parts, ranges, channels, Prog Messages etc) can be set up.


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#2572018 - 02/13/14 09:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Leh173]
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Originally Posted By: Leh173
Can you see anywhere to control external MIDI gear from the Studio Set? On the Fantom G there is a whopping great big page called "External" where external gear control (keyboard parts, ranges, channels, Prog Messages etc) can be set up.

If there is such a page, I don't see it. idk

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#2572022 - 02/13/14 09:22 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
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Can you see anywhere to control external MIDI gear from the Studio Set? On the Fantom G there is a whopping great big page called "External" where external gear control (keyboard parts, ranges, channels, Prog Messages etc) can be set up.

If there is such a page, I don't see it. idk

dB


OK, thanks! Maybe it's ended up in this DAW control stuff…

I sit here typing this as I'm composing a tune on my fantom G6, using its sequencer a scratch pad, JP-8000 midi'd up… works like a charm! LOL.
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#2572067 - 02/14/14 05:24 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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From the manual:

"SUB OUTPUT jack
...
Sounds such as the metronome or a specific part can be specified for individual output."

(emphasis mine) - so maybe it will be possible to send one part of a studio set (or dual play or split play) to this output, i.e. to send bass guitar to a bass amp or to send tonewheel organ to a Vent/Burn. There's no Parameter Guide yet, where we might be able to confirm.

Dave, if you still have the unit, is it possible for you to determine whether this is possible?

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#2572069 - 02/14/14 05:39 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Dave, a couple of other things I'm curious about, which cannot be discerned from the manual so far, in regards to the organ...

Does the FA include the amp simulations of the VK8/VR700?

Does the FA include the "twin rotary" effect that was added in the VR-09?

As expected, the MIDI docs show no reference to being able to control drawbar settings (harmonic bars, as Roland calls them) via MIDI CC. Hopefully it will work over sysex the way it can on the Integra.

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#2572072 - 02/14/14 05:44 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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This is good info, thanks for posting it! Things are looking up!
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#2572080 - 02/14/14 06:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Is there a release date yet?

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#2572083 - 02/14/14 06:07 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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I actually boxed the unit up last night to send it back today. Sorry...

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#2572099 - 02/14/14 06:33 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Oh well ;-)

One more thing I'd be curious to find out, if you happened to have noticed this in your eval... we know it has tweakable parameters for drawbar settings... is this strictly for Hammond-style tonewheel emulation? Or, like the VR, are there comparable adjustments for transistor organ sounds?

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#2572106 - 02/14/14 06:50 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
From the manual:

"SUB OUTPUT jack
...
Sounds such as the metronome or a specific part can be specified for individual output."

(emphasis mine) - so maybe it will be possible to send one part of a studio set (or dual play or split play) to this output, i.e. to send bass guitar to a bass amp or to send tonewheel organ to a Vent/Burn. There's no Parameter Guide yet, where we might be able to confirm.

Dave, if you still have the unit, is it possible for you to determine whether this is possible?


No, I verified that with the rep at NAMM. Metronome, and samples only can be routed to the sub output jack. I asked immediately as I figured routing the organ to the sub out could then go to the Ventilator, etc.
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#2572131 - 02/14/14 07:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
From the manual:

"SUB OUTPUT jack
...
Sounds such as the metronome or a specific part can be specified for individual output."

(emphasis mine) - so maybe it will be possible to send one part of a studio set (or dual play or split play) to this output, i.e. to send bass guitar to a bass amp or to send tonewheel organ to a Vent/Burn. There's no Parameter Guide yet, where we might be able to confirm.

Dave, if you still have the unit, is it possible for you to determine whether this is possible?


No, I verified that with the rep at NAMM. Metronome, and samples only can be routed to the sub output jack. I asked immediately as I figured routing the organ to the sub out could then go to the Ventilator, etc.


Hoping the manual is correct on this question...the ability to select/route a desired part to the sub-out jack would be lots better.

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#2572134 - 02/14/14 08:02 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: Leh173
Can you see anywhere to control external MIDI gear from the Studio Set? On the Fantom G there is a whopping great big page called "External" where external gear control (keyboard parts, ranges, channels, Prog Messages etc) can be set up.

If there is such a page, I don't see it. idk
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Per page 63 in the reference manual, in the sequencer screen you have to go to Song Utility (button #3) and then select Track Settings to define which tracks are Internal, External or both.

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#2572137 - 02/14/14 08:12 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
From the manual:

"SUB OUTPUT jack
...
Sounds such as the metronome or a specific part can be specified for individual output."

(emphasis mine) - so maybe it will be possible to send one part of a studio set (or dual play or split play) to this output, i.e. to send bass guitar to a bass amp or to send tonewheel organ to a Vent/Burn. There's no Parameter Guide yet, where we might be able to confirm.

Dave, if you still have the unit, is it possible for you to determine whether this is possible?


No, I verified that with the rep at NAMM. Metronome, and samples only can be routed to the sub output jack. I asked immediately as I figured routing the organ to the sub out could then go to the Ventilator, etc.


Hoping the manual is correct on this question...the ability to select/route a desired part to the sub-out jack would be lots better.


I agree. And I guess I can't hold the rep to a higher standard, but it wouldn't be the first time a manual was wrong, or a rep.

Either way, I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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#2572161 - 02/14/14 09:13 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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FWIW, the routing of individual parts to the sub-output is mentioned at least twice in the reference manual. On page 44 it reviews the Part View screen parameters which includes the Output/EFX parameter where you can specify each part’s output destination, and the level of signal that is sent to chorus and reverb. Details of the Part View parameters will be in the forthcoming FA Parameter Guide.

Fingers crossed 2 cool



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#2572175 - 02/14/14 10:12 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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One more thing I'd be curious to find out, if you happened to have noticed this in your eval... we know it has tweakable parameters for drawbar settings... is this strictly for Hammond-style tonewheel emulation? Or, like the VR, are there comparable adjustments for transistor organ sounds?

I did not notice.

Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: Leh173
Can you see anywhere to control external MIDI gear from the Studio Set? On the Fantom G there is a whopping great big page called "External" where external gear control (keyboard parts, ranges, channels, Prog Messages etc) can be set up.

If there is such a page, I don't see it. idk

Per page 63 in the reference manual, in the sequencer screen you have to go to Song Utility (button #3) and then select Track Settings to define which tracks are Internal, External or both.

Yes, I found that one, per the earlier posts...but that's in Sequencer mode. Not sure if it applies to Studio Sets outside Sequencer mode - the Studio Set mode has separate edit pages which did not seem to have anything like that.

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#2572178 - 02/14/14 10:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Does anyone know if you can load banks of programs? As dumb as that sounds it seems to me the Jupiter 80 has some limitation that way, .i.e. a third party can't create a bank of sounds. My quick run through the manual (briefly) didn't reveal much.

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#2572195 - 02/14/14 11:16 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Yes, I found that one, per the earlier posts...but that's in Sequencer mode. Not sure if it applies to Studio Sets outside Sequencer mode - the Studio Set mode has separate edit pages which did not seem to have anything like that.
dB

I think Studio Sets (inherited from the Integra 7) are related to and/or define the Sequencer Mode 16 Parts (referred to as Multi Part Play). From the reference manual (pg.26), here's the overview which covers the relationships:

"A studio set contains 16 parts, with one tone assigned to each part.

Normally, you’ll play the tone that’s assigned to part one (single play). When using the sequencer to create a song, you’ll use all 16 parts of the studio set (multi part play)."


Combination/Multi-Part functions/parameters are set on the Studio Set Screens (and sub menus), which then defines parts 1-16 in the Sequencer Screen (when you select a preset or user Studio Set in the Sequencer Screen). From there you set other Sequencer options including internal/external MIDI playback in the Sequencer screen sub menus).

Sort of like Yammy's Mixing/Song Modes and Korg's Combis where you can apply combi settings to the Song Mode. That's my 2 pesos.

P.S. On the FA Sequencer Micro Editing screen (manual pg. 68), you can also insert, move and erase MIDI note, program number and control change data. Very nice smile


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#2572300 - 02/14/14 04:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: burningbusch]
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My quick run through the manual (briefly) didn't reveal much.

Busch.


The manual seems pretty basic on details… was hoping for more defined information, unless there is another manual with more detail to be release (parameter guide maybe…?)
Glad to see the sequencer can do a lot of what the Fantom G one can in terms of ext parts and editing. Hoping the external MIDI control is also there hidden somewhere. Those are two major areas I want to see retained from the Fantom G.
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#2572364 - 02/15/14 01:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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FWIW, the routing of individual parts to the sub-output is mentioned at least twice in the reference manual. On page 44 it reviews the Part View screen parameters which includes the Output/EFX parameter where you can specify each part’s output destination, and the level of signal that is sent to chorus and reverb. Details of the Part View parameters will be in the forthcoming FA Parameter Guide.

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Same here... If you can route any sound to the sub out, I'm getting one, otherwise, not. For my trio, I need bass on a sub out and for bigger gigs I need a lightweight board where you can route organ patches to my Vent.

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#2572394 - 02/15/14 06:55 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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just looking at the voice lists, I'm so ready for this board!

Looks like the pads can't be used to change programs, only to change banks for the sampler, but reading about the favorites where you can have 10 banks of 10 sounds, that's not so bad for changing setups live. Hit bank, pick the bank #, hit bank to turn bank select off, hit your program number. 4 keystrokes, unless once you hit bank it automagically goes to program mode, then it's 3 keystrokes. Either way I can live with that.
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#2572410 - 02/15/14 07:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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Looks like the pads can't be used to change programs, only to change banks for the sampler, but reading about the favorites where you can have 10 banks of 10 sounds, that's not so bad for changing setups live. Hit bank, pick the bank #, hit bank to turn bank select off, hit your program number. 4 keystrokes, unless once you hit bank it automagically goes to program mode, then it's 3 keystrokes. Either way I can live with that.

In one of the videos, they said that the pads can function as a 10-key numeric entry keypad, so maybe that provides some other means of patch selection.

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#2572463 - 02/15/14 10:35 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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In one of the videos, they said that the pads can function as a 10-key numeric entry keypad, so maybe that provides some other means of patch selection.

Yep. that works. thu

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#2572487 - 02/15/14 01:06 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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My biggest workstation interest in this keyboard is to be able to easily, without a lot of fuss and technical hassle, record audio and MIDI, and at the very least overdub, and ideally, multi-track. From looking at the manual, I'm guessing this is somewhat possible: sample the incoming audio, and then place markers in the sequencer.

? Will I be able to just listen to the sequenced track and sample just the audio, not the internal sounds?

I'll bet nobody knows this yet

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#2572518 - 02/15/14 04:44 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph

My biggest workstation interest in this keyboard is to be able to easily, without a lot of fuss and technical hassle, record audio and MIDI, and at the very least overdub, and ideally, multi-track. From looking at the manual, I'm guessing this is somewhat possible: sample the incoming audio, and then place markers in the sequencer.

? Will I be able to just listen to the sequenced track and sample just the audio, not the internal sounds?

I'll bet nobody knows this yet


As far as I've noticed, the sequencer only records data, no audio (opossite to the JUNO-Gi)- However, it is possible to record audio samples through the jack - mic imputs. Also the the sequenced songs can be exported to audio files (wav, mp3, etc)
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#2572521 - 02/15/14 05:04 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: jvckey]
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You can also specify the pads instead of the keyboard as a controller in the sequencer (per track)...so if you do have audio data stored there, you can just use a pad to trigger it at the right time.

Seems to me that should work, to a degree.

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#2572902 - 02/17/14 07:59 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Hey,

Great forum...replete with useful info I have not come across anywhere else on the FA-series.

Interestingly enough though,everyone in this thread has somehow overlooked the fact that after-touch can be implemented via an expression pedal.

I am very pleased to read that the FA-06 at least has a key-bed that is playable,because for me,88 keys are generally too heavy for me and more keys than I need.
I prefer 76 or 73 keys...but as long as the action is decent,61 keys suits me fine in most situations.

Someone in this thread asked about whether or not the FA has a copy & paste feature and this question has been left unanswered.
This is a very important feature for me and if this function has been omitted from the FA,then my suspicion of the FA being too good to be true,is sadly,a reality.
The FA has been advertised as being a full workstation,but without a copy & paste feature,it's not a workstation in my book.

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#2573051 - 02/17/14 12:42 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: elwoodblues1969]
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Just read through the manual and discovered that the FA does in fact,have a copy & paste feature...I'm so relieved!

http://imageshack.com/a/img834/31/2s32.png


Edited by elwoodblues1969 (02/17/14 12:43 PM)
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#2573572 - 02/19/14 07:02 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: elwoodblues1969]
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Is this where we are going to leave this thread? HELL NO!!!! I'm excited about this board still, let's talk it up!!!
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#2573574 - 02/19/14 07:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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just looking at the voice lists, I'm so ready for this board!


Link please!

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#2573578 - 02/19/14 07:22 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: George88]
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on this page here, you can download the manual and the voice list:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1299/457/support/
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#2573593 - 02/19/14 08:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Is this where we are going to leave this thread? HELL NO!!!! I'm excited about this board still, let's talk it up!!!

Agreed +1000.

To wet appetites...the Roland SN Synth and XV PCM Synth engines are in full force on the FA. And with the FA having full patch compatibility with the Integra 7 SN Synth engine (3 OSC paths with independent filters (LP, HP, BP + PKG), LFO, EGs for pitch, filter and amp, plus LFO mod + modifiers)...the FA can use all Integra Synth legend free tones on the Axial website. Yes its not gonna be a real Jupiter 8, but the FA will be a lot more flexible with 450 OSC waves, 512 user tones + the ability for 16 parts...wow!
Take a quick snack on the FA's Jupiter and TB303 impressions and some other tasty SN Synth bass, pads, leads and chords. wave
http://axial.roland.com/articles/integra-7-synth-legends/


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#2573624 - 02/19/14 10:31 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Maybe I overlooked but I scanned the manual and there is not much info about the two virtual expansion slots. The only thing in relation to this is on page 95 on how to import backup data. It suggests that individual tones that you downloaded from the Axial site can be imported.

Imagine the possibility to download all available Integra and SRX tones and handpick the ones that you want to import to the FA....
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#2573627 - 02/19/14 10:52 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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Is this where we are going to leave this thread? HELL NO!!!! I'm excited about this board still, let's talk it up!!!


The all-in-one combination - with pretty equal strengths of piano, organ, and synth tones - looks to make this great for single keyboard gigs. 88 keys at under 40 lb. is a huge plus.
While the FA-08 doesn't have all of the JP50's SN tones, it would still be an attractive alternative for the single keyboard gigs for which I'd use the JP50 - especially adding in the XV5080 tones, plus a weighted action. Will have to play one of these over the next couple of months....
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#2573636 - 02/19/14 11:29 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EdMusic]
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Imagine the possibility to download all available Integra and SRX tones and handpick the ones that you want to import to the FA....

Roland NAMM videos mentioned that the 1st SRX expansion download should be coming soon around the EOM on the Axial website. No official word on the ability to download SN Acoustic tones...fingers x'd on SN Acoustic wave data downloading, however there are only two FA virtual slots so expansion for SN Acoustic will be limited if it happens at all...

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#2573645 - 02/19/14 11:53 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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I've recently sold some gear in preparation for a new board. I would love to get my hands on one of these. I read somewhere they aren't shipping until late March, early April. I hope it's sooner.

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#2573651 - 02/19/14 12:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: ABECK]
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They've shipped already. Many are in US Customs' hands. The rest are en route.
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#2573655 - 02/19/14 12:05 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Tonysounds]
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#2573717 - 02/19/14 04:16 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: ABECK]
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Just out of curiosity, what are most of us thinking of getting: the FA06 or FA08? And how will you implement it into the rest of your rig?

I'm thinking the FA06. All round bread and butter, 1 gig board for smaller gigs, top tier over my RD700 for bigger ones. May replace the RD700 with a lighter 88 key'd board over time, but we'll see. Either that or get the FA-08 and MIDI it up to my Juno DI, which has the same keybed as the FA06 (I think). But then I'll have two Roland 88 key'd boards. Dunno if my little flat will have room for that!
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#2573726 - 02/19/14 04:59 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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Fa08. Right now I use a NordStage 2 88 to control a rack with modules, and an Sk1 into the VEntilator. The FA will retire the rack from gigging, and hopefully I'll be happy with the pianos and EPs/Clavs that I can just take that and the SK1. And then for more jammy gigs, the FA takes the bench while the Nord goes in, or will become the right hand of the 3 keyboard L-shaped rig.
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#2573728 - 02/19/14 05:01 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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I heard April and some vendors have a lot of pre-orders already. I noticed that MF just pushed their expected ship date back on their website. I am considering the 06. Pretty much guaranteed to buy unless Keybed action is bad. I will find a place to play one before I order. I'm in no rush but want to upgrade sounds from the fantom x. Also lighter board is a plus. I'm also hoping it will fit in that mono m80 vertigo 61 key case.

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#2573747 - 02/19/14 06:11 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Jasonbass32]
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Dammit. I am gassing hard for the 08. Ugh.
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#2573775 - 02/19/14 07:44 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Sizing up the FA-06 and an Octa-Capture 10x10 audio interface for the studio refresh. The two studio 76-key weighted keyboards will be happy to play nicely with the FA SN Piano and EPs cool

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#2573782 - 02/19/14 08:37 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Cybersoniq]
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08 for me, weighted keys to go under my SK1.
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#2573794 - 02/19/14 09:23 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: DanL]
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The patch remain feature is one of the main reasons I'm interested in the FA over the MOXF. With my current Kronos I'm used to putting together a custom "SetList" consisting of patches and combinations and then playing linear through each sound in the setlist (via foot pedal) seamlessly with no sound interruption. Is "Studio Set" comparable to a Korg Kronos Setlist? If so, that works for me. If that is not so, can you explain in what situations I would not have patch remain the way I am used to on the Kronos (On the Kronos it's called Smooth Sound Transition). I love the Roland sounds, but I would like to play live and transition through patches and combinations within a song with no drops between sound changes. Thanks. Hal
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#2573823 - 02/20/14 04:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Halunlimited]
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Is "Studio Set" comparable to a Korg Kronos Setlist?

Studio Set seems closest to a Korg Combi, in that they are where you could set up up to 16 sounds that can be split/layered across the board and/or assigned to different MIDI channels.

Originally Posted By: Halunlimited
can you explain in what situations I would not have patch remain the way I am used to on the Kronos

You will have patch remain while switching from one sound to another within a Studio Set, but not when switching from one Studio Set to another.

Originally Posted By: Halunlimited
The patch remain feature is one of the main reasons I'm interested in the FA over the MOXF.

The MOXF similarly has a function that allows you to define sets of 16 sounds, among which you can freely switch sounds without cutoffs. It's part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode.

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#2573836 - 02/20/14 05:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Halunlimited
Is "Studio Set" comparable to a Korg Kronos Setlist?

Studio Set seems closest to a Korg Combi, in that they are where you could set up up to 16 sounds that can be split/layered across the board and/or assigned to different MIDI channels.

Originally Posted By: Halunlimited
can you explain in what situations I would not have patch remain the way I am used to on the Kronos

You will have patch remain while switching from one sound to another within a Studio Set, but not when switching from one Studio Set to another.

Originally Posted By: Halunlimited
The patch remain feature is one of the main reasons I'm interested in the FA over the MOXF.

The MOXF similarly has a function that allows you to define sets of 16 sounds, among which you can freely switch sounds without cutoffs. It's part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode.


Is the definition of a "sound" here (each one of the 16 allowed for part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode) limited to a pure single voice/patch? Or can a "sound" consist of a multilayered combination sound too? On the FA, I want to be able to move seamlessly between pure preset or custom patches and also layered sounds (e.g. piano and pads) as I go through various variations in a song composition. Another way of saying it based on your analogy to a Korg combi, is, can I put a combi within a combi? Or do I lose the patch remain if I include combis (layered sounds) within the order of sounds that I need to go through as I play variations within a song composition? Thanks Hal


Edited by Halunlimited (02/20/14 05:31 AM)
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#2573843 - 02/20/14 06:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Halunlimited]
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The MOXF similarly has a function that allows you to define sets of 16 sounds, among which you can freely switch sounds without cutoffs. It's part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode.


Is the definition of a "sound" here (each one of the 16 allowed for part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode) limited to a pure single voice/patch? Or can a "sound" consist of a multilayered combination sound too?

This is a little complicated. In this case, a "sound" -- what Yamaha calls a Voice -- can indeed consist of a multilayered combination, but not so easily. A Voice consists of up to 8 elements. Most often, it is a single instrument sound, and all of the elements are related to that same instrument sounds, i.e the sound of a given instrument when played at different velocities, or with alternate attacks, etc. But there is no reason a single Voice could not have its elements used to combine the sounds of different instruments. One of the stock single Voices for example, is the sound of layered piano and strings. However this kind of Voice editing, to come up with your own combinations, is not as straight-forward as simply selecting two stock instrument Voices and splitting or layering them. So the answer is, yes, any of the 16 "sounds" can consist of a multilayered combination, but you might not want to go down that path unless you're seriously into learning the ins and outs of programming the Yamaha on a pretty deep level.

There is an "in between" way to do this. As I mentioned, the Yamaha allows you to create sets of 16 sounds you can switch among without cutoffs, but the way it works is that you can also "link" some of these sounds (it is done by assigning them to the same MIDI channel). So it is actually pretty easy to use multi-layered combinations of sound here at the expense of additional individually selectable sounds within that set. So for example, instead of defining a set of 16 individual Voices for this seamless-switching group, it could just as well be configure as 8 pairs of split/layered Voices. Or 4 pairs of split/layered Voices plus 8 additional single Voices (12 selectable patches in total). Or one set of 3 split/layered Voices, two pairs of 2 split/layered Voices, and 5 individual Voices. Any combination that totals 16 Voices will work. (Though again, in some cases, like the piano+string example I gave, one Voice can have more than one sound, but that's something of an exception unless, again, you want to get into some pretty deep programming.)

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#2573858 - 02/20/14 07:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

The MOXF similarly has a function that allows you to define sets of 16 sounds, among which you can freely switch sounds without cutoffs. It's part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode.


Is the definition of a "sound" here (each one of the 16 allowed for part of the Song/Pattern Mix mode) limited to a pure single voice/patch? Or can a "sound" consist of a multilayered combination sound too?

This is a little complicated. In this case, a "sound" -- what Yamaha calls a Voice -- can indeed consist of a multilayered combination, but not so easily. A Voice consists of up to 8 elements. Most often, it is a single instrument sound, and all of the elements are related to that same instrument sounds, i.e the sound of a given instrument when played at different velocities, or with alternate attacks, etc. But there is no reason a single Voice could not have its elements used to combine the sounds of different instruments. One of the stock single Voices for example, is the sound of layered piano and strings. However this kind of Voice editing, to come up with your own combinations, is not as straight-forward as simply selecting two stock instrument Voices and splitting or layering them. So the answer is, yes, any of the 16 "sounds" can consist of a multilayered combination, but you might not want to go down that path unless you're seriously into learning the ins and outs of programming the Yamaha on a pretty deep level.

There is an "in between" way to do this. As I mentioned, the Yamaha allows you to create sets of 16 sounds you can switch among without cutoffs, but the way it works is that you can also "link" some of these sounds (it is done by assigning them to the same MIDI channel). So it is actually pretty easy to use multi-layered combinations of sound here at the expense of additional individually selectable sounds within that set. So for example, instead of defining a set of 16 individual Voices for this seamless-switching group, it could just as well be configure as 8 pairs of split/layered Voices. Or 4 pairs of split/layered Voices plus 8 additional single Voices (12 selectable patches in total). Or one set of 3 split/layered Voices, two pairs of 2 split/layered Voices, and 5 individual Voices. Any combination that totals 16 Voices will work. (Though again, in some cases, like the piano+string example I gave, one Voice can have more than one sound, but that's something of an exception unless, again, you want to get into some pretty deep programming.)

Thanks much Scott for your detailed explanation. Since I have decided that I still prefer to get the FA-08 sound palette rather than the MOXF, would you phrase your answer any differently with respect to using the FA to accomplish the seamless transitions or is it identical to the MOXF explanation you just gave me?
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#2573864 - 02/20/14 07:58 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Halunlimited]
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Thanks much Scott for your detailed explanation. Since I have decided that I still prefer to get the FA-08 sound palette rather than the MOXF, would you phrase your answer any differently with respect to using the FA to accomplish the seamless transitions or is it identical to the MOXF explanation you just gave me?

I would phrase it differently by deferring to someone else. ;-)

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#2573887 - 02/20/14 10:13 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Halunlimited]
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[HAL /quote]On the FA, I want to be able to move seamlessly between pure preset or custom patches and also layered sounds (e.g. piano and pads) as I go through various variations in a song composition. Another way of saying it based on your analogy to a Korg combi, is, can I put a combi within a combi? Or do I lose the patch remain if I include combis (layered sounds) within the order of sounds that I need to go through as I play variations within a song composition? Thanks Hal [/quote]

Based on my reading of the information in the FA manual, the FA Studio Sets Multi-Part Play Mode should be able to easily solo, layer, split and create multiple combinations of the 16 parts on the fly. Using the Pad Utility Keyboard Switch feature, with the 16 PADS, you can turn on/off parts 1-16 as desired...the 16 PADS toggle ON (blinking) and OFF (Lit) the 16 parts in the Studio Set (Preset or User tones). Along with part key range (zone) settings of the 16 tones in the Studio Set, you can define splits and layers then use the PADS to quickly switch between the parts split and layering. BTW...the Current Part is saved within the Studio Set User memory location. And as Another Scott wrote above, patch/tone remain should work AOK as long as you switch between parts within the current selected Studio Set.
See FA reference manual pages 27 and 85 for more details. Hope this helps. wave


Edited by Cybersoniq (02/20/14 10:19 AM)

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#2573901 - 02/20/14 10:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Nadroj]
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FA08 for me to replace Motif ES8 as bottom, although I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd like to A>B the FA08 vs. the MOXF8 just to make sure I like the action and soundset of especially AP. I've had the Motif ES8 so long I've really grown accustomed to it's sounds and programming and I would miss that Motif sound
to some degree. I'd like to be sure the FA08 would make me even happier.
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#2573905 - 02/20/14 10:52 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: aellison62]
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I don't really need a new workstation, but this thing has really got me considering buying it this summer after I pay off my latest purchases!
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#2573917 - 02/20/14 11:20 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Originally Posted By: Toano88
I don't really need a new workstation, but this thing has really got me considering buying it this summer after I pay off my latest purchases!


Makes the credit card companies happy! laugh
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#2573952 - 02/20/14 01:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Originally Posted By: Toano88
I don't really need a new workstation, but this thing has really got me considering buying it this summer after I pay off my latest purchases!


Since when has GAS ever been about need? smile


I want one as well..... There are things about this new board that incorporate many things I've wished for in a live performance workstation.

Like you, I'll have other things paid off by the time this arrives to try....oh boy... it never ends
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#2573985 - 02/20/14 05:11 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Thanks totally Cybersoniq and AnotherScott for your in-depth problem solution and referral to the manual page that relates to my patch remain question/issue. You've been so helpful on the forum. And, I think I'll be happy with the FA options to create my stuff, the way I need to. Hal
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#2576078 - 02/27/14 07:46 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Halunlimited]
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The FA Parameter Guide (Japanese version with some English) is up on the following site: http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/jp/manuals/res/63078435/FA-06_08_Parameter_j01_W.pdf

Assuming this is all based on the final FA technical parameters, there's some very good news on two topics that were mentioned earlier in the thread.

1) Individual parts can be routed to the sub-outs (manual pg 10). Excellent!
2) I didn't realize this before, but there is also an extra FX stage at the Studio Set level (pg. 16), where you can select either a Master Comp OR an IFX (with a healthy selection of 78 FX types). This is very cool thu

So for complex applications where two multi-FX are required (e.g. for a lush/heavily processed single or two tone split/layered part), you can go crazy within a single Studio Set with the following serial FX routing:

Part/Tone 1 MFX A -> Studio Set FX options:One Master Comp or One IFX-> One Chorus/or Delay + One Reverb -> One TFX

Part/Tone 2 MFX B-> Same Studio Set FX as Tone 1, but with separate Part 2 sends, pan, etc.

So for instance, you have a TW Organ Studio set than includes both chorus or vibrato AND distortion with selectable slow/fast rotary. BTW, there are rotary FX in both the MFX and IFX sections so you can really go nuts with twin rotary FX should you really like.

Looking forward to the all English version of the Parameter Guide. Maybe soon? cool





Edited by Cybersoniq (02/27/14 07:49 PM)

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#2576101 - 02/28/14 12:13 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq

1) Individual parts can be routed to the sub-outs (manual pg 10). Excellent!
2) I didn't realize this before, but there is also an extra FX stage at the Studio Set level (pg. 16), where you can select either a Master Comp OR an IFX (with a healthy selection of 78 FX types). This is very cool thu


N:o 1 seals the deal for me. Awesome!!!
N:o 2 is something I heard they were working on. Good to see a user request from the Integra owners implemented..!

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#2576138 - 02/28/14 06:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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#2 has been there since the initial introduction (@13:30):

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#2576140 - 02/28/14 06:37 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Charleston]
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My GAS is full on now. I have the $$ set aside from some gear sales and I sold a project motorcycle as well. I'll be an early adopter and find all the bugs I guess!
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#2576143 - 02/28/14 06:43 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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Count me in on that bleeding edge. Just waiting for the call that they're in.
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#2576148 - 02/28/14 07:00 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Charleston]
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[quote=Charleston]#2 has been there since the initial introduction (@13:30):
Not really. Gareth did mention the Compressor, but the cool thing he didn't mention is that the MASTER COMP can be switched to an additional IFX. This is the point I mentioned in my post above. BTW...in the video at 13:30 Gareth is discussing the TFX (30 types including the DJ Looper) ...this is not the same as the switchable IFX (78 FX types) wink

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#2576601 - 03/01/14 09:45 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Confirmed: Individual sounds or whole Integra-7 sound packs (freely downloadable from the axial website) can be imported to the FA. There is a how-to brochure in the manuals download section. Can't wait the board to arrive here...
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#2576975 - 03/03/14 10:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Tonysounds]
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Sweetwater is telling me April on this board.

I have never been so psyched over a $1200 board in my life. If the action does not suck this thing is perfect for what I want to do with the pop band. I wonder how much sampletime I can store. I can sample some of my kids' friends doing some Rap parts. LOL.
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#2576977 - 03/03/14 10:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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If the sampler is like the SP404SX, you can do up to 180 minutes on a single sample in stereo. Of course that depends on the size SD card.
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#2576980 - 03/03/14 10:14 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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#2576991 - 03/03/14 10:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Sweetwater is telling me April on this board.


Musicians Friend says 3/18, but the date has changed a couple of times already.
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#2577003 - 03/03/14 11:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Sweetwater is telling me April on this board.

I have never been so psyched over a $1200 board in my life. If the action does not suck this thing is perfect for what I want to do with the pop band. I wonder how much sampletime I can store. I can sample some of my kids' friends doing some Rap parts. LOL.


Hey CEB I am even more behind the latest music than you are. I am glad you are excited at the prospect of this new Roland doing what you hope it will do.
Would you mind being a little more specific about how the FA will serve your music needs? I do not even get what a VA means in terms of it's category of sound ( I know it mean Virtual Analogue so I am merely guessing, it means a more stable reliable Moog more or less ! )
How does this FA dovetail nicely into the current pop music? How will you use sampler ( I have never used a sampler- I wish I knew how to put live drum loops into the pads ! ) ?
WHat is difference between the 06 and the 08, besides range of keys?
edit My assumption: your excitement is not about anything new in terms of sounds, but is more about having a larger sound palette in only 2 boards, rather than being forced to carry 3 or 4 boards!

Second edit The Integra 7 is tempting because of 6000 sounds and the 5080 libraries etc, but also the spacial surround effects it has.
1. Can any sound in Integra 7 be downloaded into FA?
2. Are those cool spacial surround effects in the Integra contained in the FA series?
Thanks a lot


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#2577009 - 03/03/14 11:27 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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It samples. I can really use that now. Part of what I used to do with samplers is to sample stupid stuff like applause noise, looney tunes one liners, famous movie lines.... probably will not do much of the kind of stuff with this band. But their are some some musical parts I might sample for this band. My wife suggests I get one of our kid's friends to do some of the Rap parts we need for some tunes and sample it. We'll see. I can visualize a lot of uses based on the list of songs on preliminary setlist.

It sequences and will send the click out to the monitor sends in a seperate audio output. I will sequence some off these non stop synth riffs that go all the way through some of these tunes while my hands play other parts.

It has pads I can use to trigger samples. The pads send MIDI to laptops if I want to go that route.

It is only $1200 and weighs 12 pounds. I have never been a weight weenie but I am down in the back right now and maybe it is a age thing finally. Until I got the Mini Vent last month I was still carrying a Leslie for my organ gigs. I felt like I torn my right lat yesterday. I had to lay flat for about 20 minutes. I thought I was going to pee my pants. All I did was turn wrong putting on a shirt. I have been fighting these back issues for about 3 months now. We rehearse in a basement and my Yamaha 88 key workstation is a wonderful instrument but it plus the case is heavy. The XK3c is no lightweight either but the Santana band gig is an easy load in and load out. ( ground level double doors)


Edited by CEB (03/03/14 11:31 AM)
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#2577013 - 03/03/14 11:35 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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To hell with the case... I kid you not.. Seeing a retired weekend warrior, airline pilot lift his CP250 without a case onto a hand truck, made me see it is doable.
Rain is an issue, but not that much of an issue.
Sorry about your back though, wait till you get my age... I must brag though.. I bought and kept for a month an 88 lb QSC 153.. the handles forced one to carefully, very carefully lift it with one hand. Sometimes heavy things force you to be very.. very... careful. You hurt yourself with your shirt entrance, right?
This retired airline captain blows my mind lifting, unaided, a CP250. And he is not big nor heavily muscled, almost no septuagenarian is! You move very carefully and mindfully!

You will be up and around soon ( back issue ) thu As I age I am realizing arrive earlier to move more slowly, the onerous task before me.


Edited by I-missRichardTee (03/03/14 11:47 AM)

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#2577016 - 03/03/14 11:47 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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It samples. I can really use that now.


It has pads I can use to trigger samples. The pads send MIDI to laptops if I want to go that route.



This. In addition to all the other cool stuff (sounds etc..) having these pads would completely simplify my rig without compromising sound.
An FA08 on bottom with my MOX61 up top and I'm set in the sound department. No more outboard sampler (like my bass players MPC) to trigger some of the sequences we need during a song.

As the years go on, it seems we are getting closer to the bigs getting back to making boards that lend themselves towards gigging for the little fish like me.

I was joking with someone the other day that I'd like Korg's GUI touch screen a la Kronos or Krome, Motif sounds as on my MOX, and the trigger pads/sampling like on the new FA06/8. All under 40 lbs, and $1600 street LOL smile
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#2577017 - 03/03/14 11:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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You will be up and around soon ( back issue ) thu As I age I am realizing arrive earlier to move more slowly, the onerous task before me.


T, I'm right there with ya. I'm always first to the gig. First off because I'm the logisitcs guy and am anal retentive about making sure everything is right, and second, so I can setup, dial in, the relax while everyone else sets up.

In fact one place, where we're regulars, I go set up at 11 am, then I can go home, relax, nap, eat dinner, get ready, then show up to play refreshed.

My biggest thing is my slowly getting back into shape. My back hurts a lot less when I'm not carrying so much of ME around.
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#2577018 - 03/03/14 11:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: EscapeRocks]
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[quote=CEB]It samples. I can really use that now.
It has pads I can use to trigger samples. The pads send MIDI to laptops if I want to go that route.


[quote=EscapeRocks]
This. In addition to all the other cool stuff (sounds etc..) having these pads would completely simplify my rig without compromising sound.
An FA08 on bottom with my MOX61 up top and I'm set in the sound department. ///////////////////

Tee asks: So the FA08, is what, semi weighted, and you would do AP and EP on it?
How would your full sound canvas be divided among your FA and whatever your second board would be- MOX61 or whatever?


Edited by I-missRichardTee (03/03/14 11:53 AM)

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#2577035 - 03/03/14 12:08 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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FA08 is weighted.
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#2577069 - 03/03/14 01:05 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks

I was joking with someone the other day that I'd like Korg's GUI touch screen a la Kronos or Krome, Motif sounds as on my MOX, and the trigger pads/sampling like on the new FA06/8. All under 40 lbs, and $1600 street LOL smile

I love the Korg touch screen interface too (M3M color), but truth be told, in comparison with edits on M3 EDS/Radius sounds, I find I can get around just as fast on the Motif ES for editing its AWM2/PLG sounds. I find that with the Korg interface using index finger/nail to select parameters is not as precise as using a pointer/pen cap. So this slows things up a bit on the Korg interface...sometimes buttons are faster for certain tasks. crazy

In regards to the FA interface, it looks fairly straight forward for performance (modify knobs) and pro-edit screen menus for sound design and sequencing tasks. cool

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#2577257 - 03/04/14 12:17 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Tee, I think you're missing the point of the samples. Every high end board has loads of great sounds, that's nothing new. It's all about the sampling pads. This thing has 16 banks using all 16 pads. From us old farts point of view we can load in all the song elements of say, Night In Tunisia with variations and then trigger them any time we want live, during a performance. Think about that. This is not playing along with a karaoke style prerecorded midi file or mp3. No, this is a regular intro, a regular verse, bridge, chorus, solo section, drum fills, guitar licks, strums, hits, horn lines, several different bass lines, all sampled ie recorded, onto those pads ready for you to hit one or two or more and create your own rearranged version of Tunisia any way you want. You've been talking about the blues lately so take one of the blues tunes and do the same with that. You could run a helluva blues jam session with this keyboard. You have every individual element of the song with many different variations mapped to those pads ready for you to do the tune in any arrangement you want.

The deal is this FA will take audio files or midi clips. You can take elements from 10 different recordings of whatever song, map them to different pads and trigger them in tempo any where you want in the song while you're playing. Or using all the gazillions of loops, midi files, software like Session Horns and create virtually anything to map to those pads and trigger them in any order, in any time to create whatever song you're doing. Or <gasp> actually pull out your chops and record some of those parts yourself. Imagine that.

I think it's slicker than whale shit and I think I'll be owning one shortly.

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#2577262 - 03/04/14 12:39 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: Jazzmammal
Tee, I think you're missing the point of the samples. Every high end board has loads of great sounds, that's nothing new. It's all about the sampling pads. This thing has 16 banks using all 16 pads. From us old farts point of view we can load in all the song elements of say, Night In Tunisia with variations and then trigger them any time we want live, during a performance. Think about that. This is not playing along with a karaoke style prerecorded midi file or mp3. No, this is a regular intro, a regular verse, bridge, chorus, solo section, drum fills, guitar licks, strums, hits, horn lines, several different bass lines, all sampled ie recorded, onto those pads ready for you to hit one or two or more and create your own rearranged version of Tunisia any way you want. You've been talking about the blues lately so take one of the blues tunes and do the same with that. You could run a helluva blues jam session with this keyboard. You have every individual element of the song with many different variations mapped to those pads ready for you to do the tune in any arrangement you want.

The deal is this FA will take audio files or midi clips. You can take elements from 10 different recordings of whatever song, map them to different pads and trigger them in tempo any where you want in the song while you're playing. Or using all the gazillions of loops, midi files, software like Session Horns and create virtually anything to map to those pads and trigger them in any order, in any time to create whatever song you're doing. Or <gasp> actually pull out your chops and record some of those parts yourself. Imagine that.

I think it's slicker than whale shit and I think I'll be owning one shortly.

Bob


Let me slip this one at ya... have you actually slipped on whale shite, or is this just heresay?

I am so behind with this stuff ( stuff is a word I use in lieu of a useful adjective or noun ) I have to ask embarrassing questions.
What I most wish is to get those recorded grooves in the drums onto a pad. That cannot be possible can it? I mean, other parts would "bleed" into the main sample, or am I all full of slippery stuff?

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#2577319 - 03/04/14 06:03 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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I have pretty much convinced myself to buy one. Mainly due to the pads. I have a Korg wavedrum and a Roland Handsonic. I currently use a looper pedal to create rhythm grooves. This would allow me to map variations and use them whenever I want. That and the 2000 sounds, I really like the few of the supernatural sounds I have on my VR-09 and BK sound module. This has these in spades.
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#2577331 - 03/04/14 07:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Toano88]
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Here is scenario. We have a tune with a male rap part that none of the guys can do while playing. I can do it but not while playing the Keys. I am wondering if I can sample myself or a friend of my son and trigger it in the middle sections of the tune. I have never had to Hit play during a performance in my life. What is the best way to make sure everything works in sync.

..... New thread idea!
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#2577333 - 03/04/14 07:02 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Toano88]
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Here's a great example of how pads can be used in a live performance.

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#2577356 - 03/04/14 07:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks

An FA08 on bottom with my MOX61 up top and I'm set in the sound department.


David,

Thought from a previous thread the Krome was going to replace the MOX??

Just curious about your thoughts.

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#2577372 - 03/04/14 08:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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What is the best way to make sure everything works in sync.


If you going to trigger even one short prerecorded part during a live performance then the only way to make sure isn'tit's all in sync is the whole band has to play to a click. That's why using clips like that with a full band is tricky, usually the drummer has to wear headphones or have a close monitor so he's playing with some sort of click. This sort of thing is great for singles or duos without a drummer. If it's possible to adjust the tempo of a clip while it's playing you might be able to do that if the tempo of the live performance is off from where your live rap was recorded at. Another possibility is to use the keyboard metronome to count off the tune and then hope the drummer can hold it.

Tee, that Dolby vid is a good example of how to do this. This has been going on for years now what makes the FA so good is it's all contained in one lightweight keyboard with all those great sounds. In the past it was those cheap controllers we've all talked about controlling software. You see pads on all kinds of controllers. Yes I know you're way behind the curve here and so am I. The reason is the vast majority of demos you find for this stuff is all kids doing EDM or rap or other things old guys like us have zero interest in so we don't bother to watch. What you have to do is watch it anyway and while you're listening to all the screeching dubstep crap think about how you can use those same pads to trigger things we do like.

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#2577381 - 03/04/14 08:27 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Originally Posted By: keybdwizrd
Here's a great example of how pads can be used in a live performance.



How in the world do you keep up with what sound/sample/snippet is under each pad??
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#2577384 - 03/04/14 08:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Bif_]
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Memorizing! I use a pad sampler for my Floyd band and on my spreadsheet I keep for patch changes I have a column for which sample pads I need. Eventually I don't need it anymore from the repetition.
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#2577392 - 03/04/14 09:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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Memorizing! I use a pad sampler for my Floyd band and on my spreadsheet I keep for patch changes I have a column for which sample pads I need. Eventually I don't need it anymore from the repetition.


Yikes!

My hat's off to you!
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#2577396 - 03/04/14 09:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Bif_]
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#2578563 - 03/07/14 07:20 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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My Sweetwater salesman called me yesterday and told me they are expecting a truck with (at least) the FA-08s arriving this Monday morning 3/10.
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#2578598 - 03/07/14 08:29 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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I'm disappointed, my SW salesman didn't call me, and I'm on the "let me know when it gets here" list.
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#2578599 - 03/07/14 08:31 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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First shipment was small and spoken for before it arrived at Roland. frown I was expecting a call too.
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#2578610 - 03/07/14 08:58 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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I'm disappointed, my SW salesman didn't call me, and I'm on the "let me know when it gets here" list.

Presumably, you haven't been called because it hasn't gotten there. laugh

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#2578611 - 03/07/14 09:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: EscapeRocks]
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An FA08 on bottom with my MOX61 up top and I'm set in the sound department until the next NAMM.

Fixed. laugh

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#2578618 - 03/07/14 09:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: D-Bon]
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I'm not in the market for another new keyboard now, but reading these reports I am glad that my trusty old obselete Fantom X7 seems to have most of the features that everybody seems to be getting most excited about on this new one - (very easy) sampling, trigger pads, expandability/additional sound libraries.
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#2578625 - 03/07/14 09:33 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: richforman]
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I found a local fantom x6 for $1000. I have just figured the newer sound set is worth $200.

Any decenting opinions?
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#2578773 - 03/07/14 07:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Just played the FA-08 at Sam Ash.

I a/b'ed it vs. the MOXF8.

If you like the RD700 series AP you will like the FA piano. It's upfront and rich, but somewhat less expressive than the Yammie (IMHO) velocity layers? Still, I like Roland's pianos in a live setting.

The organ programs on the Roland FA-08 were much improved ( Leslie slightly improved) from the organs I am accustomed to from Roland workstations.

The strings I heard in my brief period with the FA-08 were not comparable with the Motif strings that the MOXF8 contains. From the videos of the FA-08 I had expected more.

Synth sounds were very impressive on the FA-08.

As I tried to change the chorus setting on the 6 nob sound design section I noticed that it was not working correctly, or at least not working in real time? Not sure if the D-beam (which is Right next to this section so a person tweaking this left handed would trigger this unless turned off ) was interfering as my hand might be triggering the modulation. I'm sure that this could be reprogrammed to avoid this interaction.

The action is good. It reminded me of the RD700 series. It has the "ivory feel" on the keys but it was actually a bit lighter "ivory roughness" on the keys vs. the RD700NX, which is a good thing.

This was my first feel for this board. At first feel, I liked it, but I was expecting to like it .
I tried to go into the menus to see how deep editing was available but did not see much more depth than a stage piano, (Ipad interface is possible?) but would like to test out layering multiple sounds (live sets) at my next visit.___as well as the sequencer.


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#2578809 - 03/07/14 10:43 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Do you think the the fa organ programs are better than the vr09 organs?

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#2578811 - 03/07/14 11:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Thank you very much for your report and opinion. How would you compare the action of the MOXF8 vs the FA08?


Edited by willf (03/07/14 11:01 PM)

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#2578843 - 03/08/14 05:19 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: willf]
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I have not played the VR-09 so I can't comment on how the FA-08 organs sound vs. the VR-09. Maybe a VR-09 owner could comment. In general, I liked the organs on the FA.

I thought the action on the MOXF was a bit lighter than the FA-08. The FA-08 was definitely more piano like.
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#2578856 - 03/08/14 06:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: agitato]
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Do you think the the fa organ programs are better than the vr09 organs?

From looking at the manuals, the organ implementations are somewhat different. The rotary effect options are different (VR has Rotary 1 and Rotary 2 plus a Twin Rotary MFX option; FA has Rotary 1, Rotary 2 which is specifically the VK7 version, and Rotary 3 which has overdrive, and there is no twin rotary option.) The FA has a percussion recharge time setting, the VR doesn't. Perhaps a deal-killer for some people, unless I missed something, the FA does not have C/V. I guess that's one way to eliminate the problem of people complaining on the VR that the percussion goes through the CV. ;-) The FA also does not appear to have the VR's transistor organ emulation.

Getting back to the FA/MOXF comparison overall, I would find the FA-06 vs MOXF6 a more tempting comparison. Personally, the 4 pound difference between the FA-08 and MOXF8 would "heavily" sway me toward the Yamaha, if I could get what I needed out of either. 4 lbs may not sound like a lot, but the Yamaha is right on the cusp of what I find manageable. The FA-08 gets to be more in the VR-700, SV-1, Nord Stage 2-76 weight class, which to me is enough to say "this is a bit more than I want to deal with," especially for a board where so much of its appeal is portability to begin with.

As an aside, if you're for a board at that price, if portability doesn't happen to be a factor for someone, I'd also take a good look at the Kurzweil PC3LE8 at the same price. It is similarly a combination of rompler, clonewheel, and VA synth. I think it probably has the better action overall, plus it has aftertouch. And for those who are resigned to playing organ from a weighted action, I think its action is probably the more playable for organ as well. I think it probably also has the better organ overall, even if for no other reason than having CV and being able to use its knobs for real-time "drawbar" adjustment. I think the "patch remain" function on the Kurz is stronger (the FA appears to only have it within your specified sets of 16 sounds in a Studio Set), and while the Kurz has fewer total effects (10), they can be ganged up on individual sounds. I think the Kurz is probably stronger as a MIDI controller. The Roland clearly has areas where it is stronger, though, including weight, sampling (though both have pads), interface, the sub out, and polyphony. Sound is subjective, but possibly outside of the handful of SuperNatural sounds, I tend to prefer Kurz sounds over Roland And even within the SN tones that they selected for the FA, I would still prefer some of the Kurz sounds.

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#2578858 - 03/08/14 06:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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Excuse me for my ingnorance... C/V stands for? I'm new to organ knowledge.
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#2578859 - 03/08/14 06:57 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: jvckey]
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#2578863 - 03/08/14 07:17 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.

That is why the action and build worry me.


Edited by CEB (03/08/14 07:19 AM)
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#2578874 - 03/08/14 07:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.

That is why the action and build worry me.


Isn't the MOXF under $2k? And you don't think it compares, really?

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#2578875 - 03/08/14 07:57 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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I too played the FA-08 yesterday at Sam Ash. It's a slick, attractive board up close. Build quality seemed no different than other current workstations or stage pianos, i.e., PX-5S, CP4, etc., with plastic sides. Roland seems to have fixed whatever it was that caused the Ivory Feel G to feel broken on the FP-4F and RD-64; I found it more enjoyable to play. Roland has also upped their EP game considerably. I played several Rhodes and Wurlis that had improved detail and character. There was one called '66 Reed(?) that I especially liked. A quick scroll through the APs confirmed that I hate them. For all the bragging about the SN technology, APs are still a weak point for Roland, IMNSHO. I didn't spend time on any other sounds. I'm sure the Clavs and synths are fine, as they usually are with Roland. I wasn't interested in the organs (especially on a hammer action), so I can't comment on them. Hope this is helpful to those who are considering the 08.

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#2578879 - 03/08/14 08:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.

That is why the action and build worry me.


Isn't the MOXF under $2k? And you don't think it compares, really?


The sampler, trigger pads and 16 track sequencer.

The MOXF doesn't do what I need. The FA-06 is going to augment my S90XS. It doesn't do these thing either.



Edited by CEB (03/08/14 08:14 AM)
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#2578885 - 03/08/14 08:27 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: CEB
There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.

That is why the action and build worry me.


Isn't the MOXF under $2k? And you don't think it compares, really?


The sampler, trigger pads and 16 track sequencer.

The MOXF doesn't do what I need. The FA-06 is going to augment my S90XS. It doesn't do these thing either.



Add to that an excellent VA, fully compatible with the Integra-7. Everything on the MOXF is sample-based. The Roland has a VA, modeled B3 and SN for some of the other sounds. Sample-based synths and organs should be a last resort.

And, an excellent color screen.

Busch.

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#2578890 - 03/08/14 08:53 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: burningbusch]
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Okay thanks - yep I can see those things would make a difference.

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#2578898 - 03/08/14 09:19 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: miden]
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A MOXF8 and an FA06 would be a pretty killer combo, I think. The only other board I think I'd find really appealing under an FA06 would be a PX5s... lighter, cheaper, better action, smaller footprint. But the Yamaha sounds (incl. those you can add with the flash card), the ability to load custom samples, and the overall flexibility and ergonomics would favor the MOXF.

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#2578903 - 03/08/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.

That is why the action and build worry me.



...except for the Kurzweils.

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#2578908 - 03/08/14 09:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Synthaholic]
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I looked at the PC3LE7. That was my first thought.

Does it sample? I didn't think it did.


Edited by CEB (03/08/14 09:49 AM)
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#2578949 - 03/08/14 11:45 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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...and in comparing these under 2 grand boards don't forget user-friendliness. Yamaha is notorious for being un-friendly, and after awhile I really disliked that about my XS7. The top layer was super friendly, you could navigate and do alot of common tasks pretty quickly, but get beneath the top layer and it got messy and complicated very quickly.

Roland made a big point of how they re-designed the sequencer and designed the whole board to be more user-friendly and on point for getting your musical ideas down. I think that's the appeal for alot of people to get stage pianos, they're usually super accessible and quick (but limited). Sounds like Roland is trying to bridge the gap between stage piano and workstation.

The features that are most appealing to me about the FA is the loop recording, the ability to easily make/import samples and assign them, and what appears to be a streamlined work flow. It sounds ideal for creating backing tracks, etc. I love my Stage, but it doesn't record me. Time will tell!

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#2578967 - 03/08/14 12:55 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Randelph]
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I called my local Sam Ash, and they also have the FA-08 in stock. None of the Chicago area Sam Ash stores have received any 06's yet. I will probably go up there this weekend and check it out.

Also, I see that as of this writing, the Sam Ash online store is indicating that they have the FA-08 in stock.


Edited by keybdwizrd (03/08/14 12:59 PM)
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#2578969 - 03/08/14 01:13 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: agitato
Do you think the the fa organ programs are better than the vr09 organs?

From looking at the manuals, the organ implementations are somewhat different. The rotary effect options are different (VR has Rotary 1 and Rotary 2 plus a Twin Rotary MFX option; FA has Rotary 1, Rotary 2 which is specifically the VK7 version, and Rotary 3 which has overdrive, and there is no twin rotary option.) The FA has a percussion recharge time setting, the VR doesn't. Perhaps a deal-killer for some people, unless I missed something, the FA does not have C/V. I guess that's one way to eliminate the problem of people complaining on the VR that the percussion goes through the CV. ;-) The FA also does not appear to have the VR's transistor organ emulation.

Agitato...What is your requirement for the FA Organ TW model? If I was looking for an organ as my primary instrument, I'd look at other better clone wheel alternatives than the FA...the VR-09 is a good inexpensive Organ choice. Besides Another Scott's comments above, the FA won't give you hands on drawbars/sliders and dedicated percusssion and C/V controls. All important for Organ performance.

That said, for me, I am asking how far can the FA Organ B3 model go...in other words, is it good enough for recording or basic rock gigs. I think the answer is a YES! With the FA-Pro Edit mode, you can edit the following parameters:
1) (9) harmonic draw bar levels
2) tone wheel leakage level
3) percussion level, harmonic type 2nd/3rd, attack, decay & recharge time
4) Key click attack and release level
In addition, with the FA Single or Dual Organ parts in a studio set, you can add:
1) add one IFX: 78 fully editable FX types including chorus and two Rotary types, FA or VK Rotary sim
2) add one MFX: 68 fully editable FX types including three Rotary types, FA type 1/2 and type 1 with overdrive FX.
3) Chorus or Delay
4) Reverb

So by setting up different TW organ settings in the User Tones (up to 16 within one FA User Studio Set), then using controllers/switches to adjust IFX/MFX, and finally using the PADs to select your Organ User Tones, you can cover a lot of ground for a broad range of organ applications.

Hope this helps.

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#2579138 - 03/09/14 01:58 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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FA pro edit mode.....is that on board or Ipad based ?

Sorry if this is a redundant question, but nonetheless.....
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#2579210 - 03/09/14 06:18 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Originally Posted By: aellison62
FA pro edit mode.....is that on board or Ipad based ?

On board...you can do all detailed edits directly on the FA thu

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#2579226 - 03/09/14 07:17 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Hi all,
Here's my FA quick and dirty 1st take - I spent one hour with the FA-08 at Sam Ash in Springfield NJ today I was very impressed. Here are a few quick hands-on observations...

1) Build and design: The lighter weight molded plastic body seems solid enough for gigging. The size and weight are a little more than needed to be because the pitch bender& switches are to the left of the keyboard. No a deal breaker for me if I was looking at an 88 weighted gigging keyboard. The action felt a little too spongy but I got used to it quickly. By comparison, I really prefer the Casio PX5s action + its textured key feel. They did not have the 06 in yet so I can't comment on it. All the controllers, switches, edit knob and pads seem solid enough to inspire confidence...you don't need to worry about sway or pushing them assertively. The overall black matte finish looks good...however the black glossy around the control and edit areas will smudge easily. Not a big deal to me...but the glossy doesn't add much to the design IMHO.
The color screen is great...very attractive and easy to see S/N instrument graphics and all Pro-Edit parameters! The controller knob section is great for real-time control...quick edits...a touch of EQ, compression or throwing in a system TFX. PADS fill out the right side and work as you'd want...easy to fire a one shot sample or turn on/off a recorded grove.

2) Sound audition: Used my AKG headphones during a live jazz ensemble performance in the store...with this environment the best I could determine was that the overall FA sound quality will be very good and on par with the JP50/Integra. I was surprised that there aren't more SN tone variations on the excellent APs, EPs and Organs. That said, with the SN Pro-Edit and quick FX, compression, tone and EQ...you can get a lot of mileage out of the preset tones that are there. For instance, on the '81 Tine tone preset, I quickly changed the MFX amp type from NEW CASE to WURLY and got a tasty retro Rhodes sound. Nice! The basic Rock C3 and B3 Jazz organ preset tones were very good...but way to few. While I'm not expecting a dedicated SK1, Mojo or Vent rotary sim on the FA, with all the room noise and listening via headphones...I couldn't make out any detailed quality judgement on the FA rotary sims. Fast speed can be turned on/off by the S1, pitch bend/mod lever or the D-beam. The bigger thing is that I did not see any Studio Set with two-manual upper/lower splits with different draw bar settings on each part for comp and lead organ splits. So we will have to roll our own.

BTW...the preset tones mix SN acoustic, SN synth and PCM synth engines as you run through the various instrument categories. You do have 60's organs...but these are PCM and there is no SN Acoustic Vox/Farfisa models on board if you care. Bottom line....the SN acoustic sounds are very limited on the FA as mentioned in the thread elsewhere. But what SN Acoustic tones there are..will definitely cover typical gig bread and butter sounds. There are a ton of SN Synth and PCM synth sounds to fill out the scorecard and add spicyness as needed. You can also fire a sample too!

Time did not permit taking a look at the ARPs, Sequencer, Rhythm Patterns and sample pad functions. That'll be for next time when I check out the 06!
Regards, C


Edited by Cybersoniq (03/09/14 07:44 PM)

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#2579229 - 03/09/14 07:32 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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as far as the action goes- it's not like the Krome is it? Any compares to other boards aside from it not liking it as much as the PX?
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#2579234 - 03/09/14 07:41 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Cybersoniq, thanks for the review. I hope to get up to my local Sam Ash in the next few days to check out the FA-08 myself.

As the owner of a Jupiter-50, I am disappointed in the size of the SN Acoustic library in these FA instruments. Yes, I know that many of Roland's PCM patch library is great. But it's hard to imagine buying a state-of-the-art workstation keyboard in 2014 where the majority of sound on board are what, 10... 15.... 20 years old? The SN sounds should become Roland's "new normal", and I wish the FA boards had all of the SNA sounds that are found in the Integra.

All that being said, I am sure the FA sounds great and will provide a great alternative to the MOXF (the quintessential bread and butter keyboard these days) and the Korg Krome.
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#2579238 - 03/09/14 07:51 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
as far as the action goes- it's not like the Krome is it? Any compares to other boards aside from it not liking it as much as the PX?

They didn't have a Krome 88 on the floor. But I checked quickly and I think it felt as good as the MOXF8 action. I'd have no problem getting used to the FA-08 action. However it would not be my favorite (FWIW...I prefer my old RD250's weighted action)

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#2579242 - 03/09/14 07:55 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Also, Cybersoniq, you make a good point about simple edits to factory presets, especially the effects.

Much commenting is done about these instruments based solely upon auditioning presets. The fact is, a few parameters, especially effects, can contribute greatly to a sound's qualities.

I had a Korg M3 for about a year, and initially really found that I did not care for it. Long story short, I ultimately realized that 90% of what I didn't like was tied to the various effects that the sound designers had attached to many of the presets. I went in and EQ'ed things to my taste, and changed a bunch of reverbs. Got rid of unwanted choruses and added some delays here and there. It took me a while, but I finally ended up with an M3 that (to me) sounded GREAT. It was also helpful that (unlike the Yamahas) you can overwrite presets on the M3 without having to save slightly tweaked patches in a User bank somewhere.
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#2579243 - 03/09/14 07:56 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Cybersoniq, thanks for the review. I hope to get up to my local Sam Ash in the next few days to check out the FA-08 myself.

As the owner of a Jupiter-50, I am disappointed in the size of the SN Acoustic library in these FA instruments. Yes, I know that many of Roland's PCM patch library is great. But it's hard to imagine buying a state-of-the-art workstation keyboard in 2014 where the majority of sound on board are what, 10... 15.... 20 years old? The SN sounds should become Roland's "new normal", and I wish the FA boards had all of the SNA sounds that are found in the Integra.

Agreed...the rest of the Integra SN Acoustic sounds are so tempting. Somehow I think Roland is holding these sounds back for a reason....maybe a full blown workstation taz .

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#2579246 - 03/09/14 08:00 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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I find it interesting that Roland doesn't have a flagship workstation at the moment (Sweetwater and Musicians Friend are only selling used Fantom G8's). Surely the Jupiter 80 is their sound design flagship, but it doesn't have a sequencer.

In the case of Krome and MOX, Korg and Yamaha took flagships and distilled them down to a lower price point. Roland has created a mid-ship offering without a flagship (unless you consider the Fantom, which surely contributed some of its technology). It will be interesting to see if they offer a high-end workstation soon.
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#2579248 - 03/09/14 08:17 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Sundown]
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Originally Posted By: Sundown

In the case of Krome and MOX, Korg and Yamaha took flagships and distilled them down to a lower price point. Roland has created a mid-ship offering without a flagship (unless you consider the Fantom, which surely contributed some of its technology). It will be interesting to see if they offer a high-end workstation soon.

Yes....with the rough economy, they are all looking for the lower priced/workstation feature set sweet spot. In regards to a new Roland flagship, they could make it with 256 note polyphony, all Integra 6000 sounds, aftertouch, full sampling/variphrase and Jupiter 80-like build quality. Only problem is that this monster keyboard will cost around $3.5K....probably more. shocked

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#2579267 - 03/09/14 10:14 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Originally Posted By: Cybersoniq
Only problem is that this monster keyboard will cost around $3.5K....probably more. shocked


Well that would make sense. A Motif XF8 is $3,599. A Korg Kronos X 88 is $3,999 (I'm guessing they haven't sold a ton of those).

The most I ever paid for a keyboard was about $2,400, which was for my Virus TI Polar. This was about 8-9 years ago, when they first came out, and prices were lower. And the economy was booming, and I hadn't yet been laid off from the place where I'd worked for 18 years. But these days, as a "home hobbyist," about $1,300 is tops for me.
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#2579447 - 03/10/14 01:30 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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I buzzed up to the local Sam Ash store in between lunch and a meeting - I only had about 15 minutes to see the Roland FA-08.

The good news is that the FA-08 was set up right next to both the MOXF8 and Krome 88, so I could easily compare the actions. My conclusion is that the action on the FA is my clear favorite of the three. I am not a fan of weighted actions on synths - especially bad weighted actions - but the FA-08 definitely has the one that would be the most playable for me.

The "ivory feel" of the keys on the FA is very nice. It's a bit of a textured feel, as opposed to simple, smooth plastic. I liked it.

Concerning the looks of the FA, it is about what I expected. I agree with others, however, that the shiny surface around all of the controls is a questionable design choice. Given that this is where you'll be putting your finger tips all the time, why have a background surface that is prone to smudging, and that will need cleaning and wiping all the time? And it's not as though the shiny surface looks astounding or anything - they just should have left it with some kind of matte finish, or something that wouldn't show fingerprints and whatnot.

Regardless, this is a very gig-able keyboard. While plastic, everything seemed reasonably well made and put together. The FA comes across as inexpensive, but not necessarily cheap.

But most importantly, how did the FA sound compared to the MOX and the Krome? Well, based upon my visit to Sam Ash today, I can't tell you, because NONE OF THE KEYBOARDS WERE PLUGGED INTO ANY KIND OF AMPS OR SPEAKERS. I was too rushed to try and snag cables from somewhere else to get them hooked up, so I just left.

There's no wonder why stores like this are going out of business...
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#2579449 - 03/10/14 01:38 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Originally Posted By: keybdwizrd
the FA-08 was set up right next to both the MOXF8 and Krome 88, so I could easily compare the actions. My conclusion is that the action on the FA is my clear favorite of the three. I am not a fan of weighted actions on synths - especially bad weighted actions - but the FA-08 definitely has the one that would be the most playable for me.

So was your assessment specifically that the FA was the weighted action you'd find most playable for an all-around synth? That is, it might not have been your choice if you were looking at them simply from the perspective of piano playing?

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#2579492 - 03/10/14 04:03 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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I've been reading the manual..

It seems that FA can transmit MIDI only on one channel at the time. The 'keyboard split' is only for inner voices. You cannot change midi parameters (eg. MIDI channel or controller functions) separately by keyboard zone. Think for instance disabling hold pedal for only lower split. Not possible.

Even D50 (over 20 years ago) could do these basic functions.

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#2579524 - 03/10/14 06:33 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

So was your assessment specifically that the FA was the weighted action you'd find most playable for an all-around synth? That is, it might not have been your choice if you were looking at them simply from the perspective of piano playing?


I guess it was from the perspective of piano playing. I was playing Beethoven, Bach, and playing fast solos and riffs. For me, it's largely about speed. Inexpensive weighted keyboards can seem very mushy to me.

But despite the feel, I should remember that all three keyboards were unplugged, and I wasn't playing with audible feedback.
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#2579569 - 03/11/14 12:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Mr McRiff]
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I've been reading the manual..

It seems that FA can transmit MIDI only on one channel at the time. The 'keyboard split' is only for inner voices. You cannot change midi parameters (eg. MIDI channel or controller functions) separately by keyboard zone. Think for instance disabling hold pedal for only lower split. Not possible.


That would be a shame, sending on more than one midi channel seems mandatory for a workstation. A friend of mine does beta testing for Roland, and he had an FA08 over the weekend. He didn't try any midi, but confirms that you can change midi response in each program, on tone level. That would be a PITA but still a doable workaround. Thanks for the heads-up..!


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#2579624 - 03/11/14 06:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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I think that would be fine for me.

In my case I don't even think I will play the FA-06 much It will be more of a slave to the S90. My plans for the FA is more as a sample player and sequencer and to play the ocassional part where 88 keys and 4 zones won't quite get it done.

The S90XS is friggin doing everything I need right now except sampling and synth sequences.

I'm hoping the Roland sequencer is simple to operate. Every once in a while I want to use the vocoder on the S90. Everytime I have to check the manual on how to turn the damn thing on.

There should be a button that says Vocoder On/Off and a simple way to select the zones...... But no it is a convoluted bullshit process burried inside the effects editor.

Sorry for the OT Yammy rant. I still love my S90.

I'm worried about the FA-06 action and whether to pre-order......... eff it, Tony says it is playable that is good enough, I will rarely use the keyboard anyway. I'm doing it.


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#2579640 - 03/11/14 07:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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I spent the majority of my time on the FA08, and I thought the action was good.

The FA06 I spent about 20 minutes on, and if it had a June Di keybed, it would have been 20 seconds. I think you'll be fine!
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#2579644 - 03/11/14 07:37 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Tonysounds]
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CEB, just set up a patch that has the vocoder already programmed. Then you just need to remember to turn the mic input on and off. Which is hard in it's own right lol.
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#2579653 - 03/11/14 07:55 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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Just got the new Keyboard in the mail today with (finally!) their review of the MOXF, it was very complimentary ('Key Buy award' for what that's worth) and the writer really praised the keyboard action and feel, and the size, breadth and quality of the soundset. When I was shopping a few months ago it was the lousy action of the Krome 88 that drove me to the MOXF8 and then I only discovered a lot of the other great things about it after I picked one up. The lack of aftertouch and of an aux out for click tracks, are very noticeable compromises but for the price and quality and some of the other features, notably its very flexible master controller functionality, it's still a great deal for me and a solution I'm very happy with. But anyway it sounds like if I had been in the market a few months later the FA-08 would have given the Yamaha a run for its money, but the limitations you guys are mentioning as a multitimbral MIDI master controller I think probably would have been turned me away from it.
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#2579656 - 03/11/14 08:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: richforman]
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Originally Posted By: richforman
Just got the new Keyboard in the mail today with (finally!) their review of the MOXF, it was very complimentary ('Key Buy award' for what that's worth) and the writer really praised the keyboard action and feel, and the size, breadth and quality of the soundset.

The writer would be Eric Lawson aka eric on the forum.

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#2579657 - 03/11/14 08:03 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: D-Bon]
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Thanks for tipping me off to that! Just skimmed the article quick on my way out the door this morning.
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#2579660 - 03/11/14 08:06 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: richforman]
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All my Mics are lo impediance XLR mics. What would be a good mic for vocal sampling?


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#2579662 - 03/11/14 08:07 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Just get the right cable and use the mic you have.
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#2579667 - 03/11/14 08:19 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Tonysounds]
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Thanks. I need more sleep. I have a mixer and vocal processors and a bunch of crap in my practice room. I will send a mixer feed to the FA.

PS - The deal is done. FA-06, case, sustain and expression pedal should be here in mid April. I will be interested in how the Moog Expression pedal works.


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#2579878 - 03/11/14 05:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Mr McRiff]
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I've been reading the manual..
It seems that FA can transmit MIDI only on one channel at the time. The 'keyboard split' is only for inner voices. You cannot change midi parameters (eg. MIDI channel or controller functions) separately by keyboard zone. Think for instance disabling hold pedal for only lower split. Not possible.

Even D50 (over 20 years ago) could do these basic functions.

I'm not sure this is correct. For what you want, I think you'll want to use Multi-part and Sequencer set-up screens. snax

First, please keep in mind that the Studio Set Multi-Parts (1-16) equate to Sequencer tracks (1-16). The diagram on page 10 of the ref. manual shows this relationship.

The reference manual (pg 68) shows each track's data which is sent and this includes MIDI note number, PC, CC, etc. Also see that (ref. manual pg. 63) each track can be set for internal (FA sounds), external (MIDI)or BOTH.

So based on this, my reading is that each part/track can transmit its own MIDI data with each part having its own settings including MIDI channel,note program, CC data, etc. Let me know if you think otherwise.

Also note in the MIDI Implementation Guide on page 9 regarding MIDI channel and program TX:
n = MIDI channel number: 0H - FH (ch.1 - 16)
pp = Program number: 00H - 7FH (prog.1 - prog.128)
* These messages are transmitted when Tone, Drum Kit or Studio Set is selected.
* But not transmitted when Transmit Program Change parameter (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI)is OFF.

Regards, C

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#2579969 - 03/12/14 02:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Originally Posted By: Mr McRiff
I've been reading the manual..
It seems that FA can transmit MIDI only on one channel at the time. The 'keyboard split' is only for inner voices. You cannot change midi parameters (eg. MIDI channel or controller functions) separately by keyboard zone. Think for instance disabling hold pedal for only lower split. Not possible.

Even D50 (over 20 years ago) could do these basic functions.

I'm not sure this is correct. For what you want, I think you'll want to use Multi-part and Sequencer set-up screens. snax

First, please keep in mind that the Studio Set Multi-Parts (1-16) equate to Sequencer tracks (1-16). The diagram on page 10 of the ref. manual shows this relationship.

The reference manual (pg 68) shows each track's data which is sent and this includes MIDI note number, PC, CC, etc. Also see that (ref. manual pg. 63) each track can be set for internal (FA sounds), external (MIDI)or BOTH.

So based on this, my reading is that each part/track can transmit its own MIDI data with each part having its own settings including MIDI channel,note program, CC data, etc. Let me know if you think otherwise.

Also note in the MIDI Implementation Guide on page 9 regarding MIDI channel and program TX:
n = MIDI channel number: 0H - FH (ch.1 - 16)
pp = Program number: 00H - 7FH (prog.1 - prog.128)
* These messages are transmitted when Tone, Drum Kit or Studio Set is selected.
* But not transmitted when Transmit Program Change parameter (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI)is OFF.

Regards, C



Hi, thanks for the info. I skipped the sequencer part because I use a computer DAW.

So a "part" in "studio set multi" functions also as "keyboard zone"? Then you would have up to 16 parts (zones), each having essential midi parameters available. That would indeed be good news.

It would be good to have some tutorials about FA combined with outside DAW or midi modules. For instance: do you have to record in FA sequencer in order to transmit same midi data out? Are the midi filters (Microscope etc) only "after the fact"?










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#2580004 - 03/12/14 06:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Mr McRiff]
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I'm expecting delivery of my FA06 next week... I'm also expecting kid #2 next week, so I'm not sure how much time I'll have but hopefully I'll be able to straighten out a few question marks. Gearslut - check!!!

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#2580015 - 03/12/14 06:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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Congratulations and congratulations.
Where did you buy from? I pre-ordered, but have yet to hear boo from my Sweetwater rep.

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#2580019 - 03/12/14 07:03 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: ABECK]
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Here are a couple of pics I took of the FA-08 in Sam Ash a couple of days ago.

Something to clarify (for those who have only seen photos) - In pictures, it often looks like a number of bright orange items on keyboard might be illuminated. It would be cool if they were, such as the circles around the knobs and the little spindle lines on the big knob. But they're not. Only the screen is illuminated, along with the numerical display, and the pads. Everything else is just bright orange-ish paint.



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#2580024 - 03/12/14 07:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Glad I got the 06 as a top board. The sound modify labels look like they may be hard to read in lo-light situations. Old age is a bitch.



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#2580029 - 03/12/14 07:27 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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I wish they had moved the pitch/mod lever up above the keys, to eliminate some of the width (and a bit of weight).

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#2580038 - 03/12/14 07:41 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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above the keys would put it like the MOX/MOXF- way too high to be easy to access with a 2nd tier board over it, unless you leave a ton of space between boards. I prefer it to the left and don't mind the extra size/weight, it's not that much.
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#2580063 - 03/12/14 08:32 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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above the keys would put it like the MOX/MOXF- way too high to be easy to access with a 2nd tier board over it, unless you leave a ton of space between boards. I prefer it to the left and don't mind the extra size/weight, it's not that much.

Yeah, no arrangement is right for everybody. But I don't know that it would have to be as high as it is on the MOX/MOXF... it might be able to be lower, closer to the keyboard, depending on how much "below the panel" space the device needs when operated, and how much clearance there is above the back of the keys. Also, how much a second tier board interferes depends on the particular second tier board. i.e. a 61-key Nord or Hammond (which are barely bigger than their 61 keys) would be less of an issue than a wider 61 or a 73/76. I do see your point, but then there are those who can't fit an 88 in their cars if it has a large extra panel to the left, or who often are tight on stage space. So this can be one more point to consider in comparing the MOXF to the FA-08 as discussed in another thread.

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#2580084 - 03/12/14 09:00 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: AnotherScott]
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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I saw on the first page that the sample-playback memory was limited.

I heard from my Roland rep a couple of days ago that it will play back up to 32 GB of samples if they're on an SD card.

That's pretty damn massive ... enough for me to, say, load tons of songs I want to practice along with, rather than using a mixer (since my RD-700NX doesn't have an audio input).

I haven't laid hands on the FA08 yet, but hopefully we'll have it in stock next week. Then I can compare contrast with the RD800 (which is super fine) and make a purchasing decision.
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#2580176 - 03/12/14 11:40 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: ABECK]
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Congratulations and congratulations.
Where did you buy from? I pre-ordered, but have yet to hear boo from my Sweetwater rep.


I'm in Europe..! I talked to my local Roland reps, and they said late March or early April, but I decided to check the big internet dealers on a daily basis, and suddenly Thomann listed them. I don't know how many they recieved, but I scored one. Yay!!!

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#2580417 - 03/13/14 07:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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There is nothing under 2 grand new that compares to this product. I've looked. I can't find anything.


I may have been wrong... again.

ProAudioStar is still selling new Korg M3. It is more than the FA-06. ($1899 or $1709 B-stock and the guys will deal with you sometimes)

M3-88 is still $2799 new and $2430 B-stock.

What is done is done.


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#2580485 - 03/13/14 09:01 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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ProAudioStar is still selling new Korg M3. It is more than the FA-06.


Yeah, but it requires the optional FW card to get midi/audio functionality, and IIRC I ner got that card working well...

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#2580497 - 03/13/14 09:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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Good you lessened my potential buyer's remorse. LOL


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#2580504 - 03/13/14 09:28 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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AND, without the additional Radias EXP,$$ you don't have a very good VA synth, Besides, the pianos on the M3 do not compare to either MOXF or FA08
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#2580510 - 03/13/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Just talked to my SW guy. I should have the 08 by Sat, or Mon. Looking forward to putting it through the paces.

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#2580516 - 03/13/14 09:40 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: ABECK]
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ABECK when did you order? Did you preorder back when it was announced? Their site says "more arriving in a few weeks"
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#2580527 - 03/13/14 10:03 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago. My rep indicated about 1/3 of the units they were getting in were reserved (pre-ordered) at that time. I think he said they were getting appx 50 in the first batch.

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#2580592 - 03/13/14 12:04 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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AND, without the additional Radias EXP,$$ you don't have a very good VA synth, Besides, the pianos on the M3 do not compare to either MOXF or FA08


C'mon, doesn't compare? I've played an M3 88 Expanded several times and the piano sounds awesome. An M3 is a heckuva board. Is it the best there is, everybody else can just sit down? Of course not, this is all subjective but it certainly compares and compares very well imho. I've found several M3 Expanded 73's on SoCal CL lately for $1,200 to 1,400. I loved the M3's four years ago but they were around $2,500 then. I'm very impressed with the new FA06 but push comes to shove I prefer a 73/76 key. Something for me to think about.

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#2580596 - 03/13/14 12:10 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Jazzmammal]
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He said teh PIANOS don't compare on the M3. I'm not sure I would disagree either, even though the M3 is a badass synth.
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#2580615 - 03/13/14 12:49 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Mr McRiff]
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I've been reading the manual..
It seems that FA can transmit MIDI only on one channel at the time. The 'keyboard split' is only for inner voices. You cannot change midi parameters (eg. MIDI channel or controller functions) separately by keyboard zone. Think for instance disabling hold pedal for only lower split. Not possible.

Even D50 (over 20 years ago) could do these basic functions.

I'm not sure this is correct. For what you want, I think you'll want to use Multi-part and Sequencer set-up screens. snax

First, please keep in mind that the Studio Set Multi-Parts (1-16) equate to Sequencer tracks (1-16). The diagram on page 10 of the ref. manual shows this relationship.

The reference manual (pg 68) shows each track's data which is sent and this includes MIDI note number, PC, CC, etc. Also see that (ref. manual pg. 63) each track can be set for internal (FA sounds), external (MIDI)or BOTH.

So based on this, my reading is that each part/track can transmit its own MIDI data with each part having its own settings including MIDI channel,note program, CC data, etc. Let me know if you think otherwise.

Also note in the MIDI Implementation Guide on page 9 regarding MIDI channel and program TX:
n = MIDI channel number: 0H - FH (ch.1 - 16)
pp = Program number: 00H - 7FH (prog.1 - prog.128)
* These messages are transmitted when Tone, Drum Kit or Studio Set is selected.
* But not transmitted when Transmit Program Change parameter (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI)is OFF.

Regards, C


Hi, thanks for the info. I skipped the sequencer part because I use a computer DAW.

So a "part" in "studio set multi" functions also as "keyboard zone"? Then you would have up to 16 parts (zones), each having essential midi parameters available. That would indeed be good news.

It would be good to have some tutorials about FA combined with outside DAW or midi modules. For instance: do you have to record in FA sequencer in order to transmit same midi data out? Are the midi filters (Microscope etc) only "after the fact"?

You are correct that Parts can also be set up into zones for multiple splits and also for cross-fading between multiple layers across the keyboard.

Also note that MIDI data is sent out when a tone, drum kit or studio set is selected. From the FA MIDI Implementation Guide Page 7:
"Control Change
* By selecting a controller number that corresponds to the setting of parameters of controllers (knobs, etc.), the FA-06/08 can transmit any control change message."

Also Bank Select:
"Bank Select (Controller number 0, 32) Status 2nd byte 3rd byte
BnH 00H mmH
BnH 20H llH
n = MIDI channel number: 0H - FH (ch.1 - 16)
mm, ll = Bank number: 00 00H - 7F 7FH (bank.1 - bank.16384)
* These messages are transmitted when Tone, Drum Kit or Studio Set is selected. But not transmitted when Transmit Program Change (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI) or Transmit Bank Select parameter (SYSTEM SETUP: MIDI) is OFF.
* Although with the FA-06/08 you can select the Bank Select messages to be transmitted, be sure to refer to the Program Change Map on “Sound List” for the Bank Select messages transmitted when the FA-06/08 is select a Tone, Drum Kit or
Studio Set."

Per the FA Reference manual (pg. 44) the MIDI RX Filters determine which MIDI data is received (active) in each part (1-16) and this should concurrently be true for the associated MIDI track (1-16). Sequencer Microscope editing can change/insert MIDI data after the track is recorded. The specific Part MIDI filters are listed in the Parameter Guide (pg. 13)and include PC, BS, PB, Mod, Hold, Pressure, Pan, Expression and Volume control filters.

So not only can we send Part MIDI data/CCs for internal, external or BOTH sounds, but we can filter this data on per part/track basis. thu

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#2580621 - 03/13/14 12:57 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Cybersoniq]
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But only in the sequencer mode, correct? Or is this now true for the Studio Sets?
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#2580622 - 03/13/14 12:59 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Tonysounds]
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He said teh PIANOS don't compare on the M3. I'm not sure I would disagree either, even though the M3 is a badass synth.

From my FA-08 quick audition, I would say the FA SN Acoutic Piano is as good as or better than the Expanded M3 piano (which happens to my current favorite in my studio). Eldar happens to like the M3 Piano too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL7vEZiniqE

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#2580624 - 03/13/14 01:02 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Jazzmammal]
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@jazzmammal

Of course it's all subjective, but IMO and I think in many (not all) others' opinions the stock and EX pianos are not going to wow anyone. I actually bought the "Signature piano" for my M3 and I like it much better than the EX.

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE my M3 for just about EVERYTHING else. And with the Radias Expansion, it's dynamite! You also can't beat the semiweighted action of the 61 and 73. I would probably never part with it because I know I'd miss it
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#2580636 - 03/13/14 01:25 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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That's it and I've loved the Korg semiweighted action for years which is why I might get a used M3 73 rather than a new FA06 yet that FA is looking sweet too. Decisions, decisions...

Bob

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#2580828 - 03/14/14 08:51 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Jazzmammal]
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The FA06 is here..! It sounds great, is relatively easy to navigate and filled to the brim with great Roland sounds. Assigning sounds to the sub out is a breeze an the display is easy to navigate, with a few oddities for me since I'm not a Roland power user. smile

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#2580856 - 03/14/14 09:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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How is the action. Do the black keys play easy enough?
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#2581004 - 03/15/14 04:41 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Of course I had crappy monitoring all evening. I'll dig into the 06 more as soon as I can. It took me about an hour to get into the keyboard, it's rather shallow and doesn't have the kind of travel I'm used to from my PC3 and Kronos. There is an amazing amount of sounds on board, we played 2 x 60 minutes and did everything from 80s pop to Elvis. The FA06 sounded great as far as I could tell. I wish I had the time to find the master compressor, but as far as I could tell I balanced the sounds pretty well. I think I'm going to use this board a LOT. smile

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#2581013 - 03/15/14 05:58 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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#2581127 - 03/15/14 01:48 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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Just brought the 08 home, floor model, will take receipt of a new unit when shipped,

I want use this board as an AP primary board at home AND a bottom board for gigging out ocassionally along with top Kurz PC361.

The decay of the 1st preset piano is what I focus on when demoing/deciding on a keyboard for my purpose. Obviously, the designers and programmers are going to put their best "foot forward". And this should be a representation of the AP capabilities of the board.

This FA08 had me at "hello" with the 1st preset.

. Although It definetely needed some 100- 300 hz. boost, at least thru my KRK monitors.

There was a natural decay of at least 12 seconds until fade out. Very responsive and dynamic.

The action is very good, what I expected, having playing the Rd 700NX at church.

I was very Impressed with the guitar presets. Roland really stepped it up!

In the strings dept. I think Yamaha still has that "sound" that really makes it.

Going to start reading the manual.....
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#2581136 - 03/15/14 02:13 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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Although It definetely needed some 100- 300 hz. boost, at least thru my KRK monitors.


IIRC eq is assigned to one of the panel buttons, with mid emphasis to the left and low/high to the right.

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#2581144 - 03/15/14 02:37 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: Analogaddict]
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Yes, that would do it!
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#2581149 - 03/15/14 02:56 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: aellison62]
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In the strings dept. I think Yamaha still has that "sound" that really makes it.


That's funny because I have the Integra-7 and think the ensemble strings are excellent. You can hear the bow in the attack, reminds me of the VSL strings. There is good separation of the strings sections. In contrast, the Yamaha strings have, IMO, poor attack and you can't discern the sections. It strikes me much more as a pad than a recreation of a string ensemble. The SN strings respond nicely to dynamics, changing attack characteristics. Note this from the manual: "the attack and release will be adjusted appropriately for the speed at which you play the phrase. For example, notes will sound more crisply for rapidly played passages."

Also notice when you play very softly this is really no vibrato. As you increase intensity, so does the vibrato. You might want to set velocity curve type to 1 in order to exaggerate this a bit. Favorites for me are StringSection2, SlowStrings and the Marcato.

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#2581154 - 03/15/14 03:28 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: burningbusch]
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For solo or quartet strings. yamha is strong. For large ensemble sounds not as strong.
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#2582185 - 03/19/14 08:07 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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This is one of the more different demos of the FA-06 I have heard.

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#2582189 - 03/19/14 08:11 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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This is one of the more different demos of the FA-06 I have heard.



He is right, the lack of AT is a disappointment.

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#2582254 - 03/19/14 11:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: George88]
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Sweetwater called and my FA-06 is shipping. I was supposed to be on the list for one of the units from the 2nd shipment. 1st shipment was scheduled for April.

I hope it isn't buggy. I hate buying brand new 1st run items. I broke every one of my keyboard buying rules on this deal.


Edited by CEB (03/19/14 11:54 AM)
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#2582258 - 03/19/14 11:50 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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I couldn't wait any longer and ordered an FA-08 today. My rep said they expect them around April 3rd.
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#2582264 - 03/19/14 12:07 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: DanL]
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Sweetwater is showing the FA-06 in stock:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FA06
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#2582285 - 03/19/14 12:53 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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Guitar Centers are starting to show the FA-08 in stock if you're looking to try one out.

Copy this to your browser.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland-FA-08-88-Key-Workstation-110006665-i3592465.gc#'
Type in your zip code and click on SHOW AVAILABLE NOW ONLY

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#2582310 - 03/19/14 01:29 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
I broke every one of my keyboard buying rules on this deal.


I have zero need for an FA-06, but still kinda want one anyway. smile

I don't know you, so I have no idea if you'll be disappointed or not. Just keep in mind that these are not $2,500 workstations. I have only seen the FA-08, but it's pretty "plasticky". But the knobs and whatnot didn't seem to be overly cheap. The good news is that all of the plastic makes these things exceptionally lightweight. If that's something you want, you'll be thrilled.

Me, I am a fan of the Roland SuperNatural sounds, and lots of the PCM ones as well. While I do all my sequencing with my computer, I am very interested to hear "real world" reviews about the sequencer in the FA, and if it is as user-friendly as it is supposed to be.

Self-contained workstations DO have a certain attraction for me, but the somewhat obtuse design of the ones in the original Motif and MOX always turned me off on the idea. One that was easy to use - and even FUN to work with - might be an interesting idea for me to embrace.
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#2582319 - 03/19/14 02:04 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: keybdwizrd]
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I need a live sample player and sequencer and could use a 2nd keyboard. I have a couple tunes where I am 1 zone short and running a bunch of triple splits on the S90XS and could use another keyboard. The biggest thing I want is the sampler / sample player.

I should have mine either Friday or Saturday according to the Sweetwater rep.
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#2582334 - 03/19/14 03:08 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Patch Remain [Re: CEB]
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My local told me the FA06 should have been in last week. Been in twice and still nothing. FA08 due in next week, so I'm to assume that means sometime in May.

GAS itch is getting painful!
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#2582364 - 03/19/14 04:50 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: Cybersoniq]
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So I'm reading the reference guide and trying to figure out if it is possible to adjust the level of separate sounds (layered on top of each other) in a studio set in real time. I see that the level of each sound (part) can be selected on the color screen one at a time and adjusted with the dial or increase/ decrease buttons but I am looking for a more real time controller type capability that, for instance, you can do on an M3 combi using the 9 sliders. Or another example would be the 8 sliders of the Motif XF8 controlling the separate parts of a "performance"

The only real time capability close to this I have read about is the ability to use the pads to switch on/ off sounds within a studio set. (Basically a mute function)

This is important in my live playing as I like to layer sounds and manipulate the mix of those sounds (usually no more than 5 to 7) in real time.

I was considering the MOXF8 for this reason also. I know it can do this with 4 sounds simultaneously but also don't know if it can be done in real time with sliders or knobs.

Did DB cover this in his review?
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#2582366 - 03/19/14 04:58 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!
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#2582374 - 03/19/14 05:27 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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I was considering the MOXF8 for this reason also. I know it can do this with 4 sounds simultaneously but also don't know if it can be done in real time with sliders or knobs.

Yes, you can do this on the MOXF.

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#2582381 - 03/19/14 06:01 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: DanL]
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I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!
Originally Posted By: DanL
I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!


Yes, I was hoping that too. I am now seeing that the assignable knobs can be set to cc-07 which I think is level on this instrument so I suppose you could control 6 parts this way. I'll have to try this before my 30 day return period runs out!!

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#2582385 - 03/19/14 06:39 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!
Originally Posted By: DanL
I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!


Yes, I was hoping that too. I am now seeing that the assignable knobs can be set to cc-07 which I think is level on this instrument so I suppose you could control 6 parts this way. I'll have to try this before my 30 day return period runs out!!

Thanks!


See it that works out. As all the parts are on the same MIDI channel, I'm not sure how it's going to determine which is which. If you used the KEYPADS to select the part and then used the Sound Modify VOLUME it seems that it would work, but I assume that's more steps than you wanted.

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#2582450 - 03/20/14 04:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: burningbusch]
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There is also a dedicated volume knob on the 1st row, but you'd need to select the part 1st. This would work for me as I typically use the faders on my S70XS to blend in a 2nd sound with the 1st sound, like adding a pad under an EP. Hopefully when you save a patch/studio set whatever part you left active on the controls is what comes up when you recall it.

Most of my more complex splits/layers are preset with the volumes and don't need any adjustment live, that'll be my plan for this board as well.

I'm sure once a few of us get our hands on this we'll figure out how to get things done!
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#2582487 - 03/20/14 06:23 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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I haven't tried it on the FA06 yet, but I had an issue programming splits on my SonicCell where each part of a studio set/multi/combi would respond to the same cc:s no matter how I filtered the midi. A friend of mine tried it on a Fantom G and had the same result - the same channel meant no midi filter per part. However, on program level you can assign how a tone responds to cc:s, like a "pre-filter filter".

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#2582704 - 03/20/14 07:35 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: Analogaddict]
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I tried an FA-06 at a local music store and it has patch remain in all the set modes
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#2582831 - 03/21/14 10:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: jvckey]
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Woohoo....my FA08 shipped yesterday. Due WEdnesday. frown

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#2582834 - 03/21/14 10:18 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: Tonysounds]
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I took vacation today. Checked Fed EX tracking after rehearsal last night and the delivery date changed to tomorrow. Well I cleaned out my car and working the garage and my on my SH-101..... and discovered my vocal mic stands never came back from the old band.
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#2582865 - 03/21/14 11:14 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Woohoo....my FA08 shipped yesterday. Due WEdnesday. frown

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Better than the 1st week of April like mine!
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#2582912 - 03/21/14 01:02 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Originally Posted By: aellison62
Originally Posted By: DanL
I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!
Originally Posted By: DanL
I imagine that you can assign the knobs to do that- at least that is my hope!


Yes, I was hoping that too. I am now seeing that the assignable knobs can be set to cc-07 which I think is level on this instrument so I suppose you could control 6 parts this way. I'll have to try this before my 30 day return period runs out

Thanks!


See it that works out. As all the parts are on the same MIDI channel, I'm not sure how it's going to determine which is which. If you used the KEYPADS to select the part and then used the Sound Modify VOLUME it seems that it would work, but I assume that's more steps than you wanted.

Busch.
Originally Posted By: Analogaddict
I haven't tried it on the FA06 yet, but I had an issue programming splits on my SonicCell where each part of a studio set/multi/combi would respond to the same cc:s no matter how I filtered the midi. A friend of mine tried it on a Fantom G and had the same result - the same channel meant no midi filter per part. However, on program level you can assign how a tone responds to cc:s, like a "pre-filter filter".
Originally Posted By: DanL
There is also a dedicated volume knob on the 1st row, but you'd need to select the part 1st. This would work for me as I typically use the faders on my S70XS to blend in a 2nd sound with the 1st sound, like adding a pad under an EP. Hopefully when you save a patch/studio set whatever part you left active on the controls is what comes up when you recall it.

Most of my more complex splits/layers are preset with the volumes and don't need any adjustment live, that'll be my plan for this board as well.

I'm sure once a few of us get our hands on this we'll figure out how to get things done!


All three of these above posts were accurate (unfortunately, for what I want to do!) and appreciated. Since all parts of a studio set are on the same MIDI channel, they cannot be separately controlled by the assignable knobs as was alluded to above....strike one.

In the "mixer" section of the edit mode you can adjust the level of an individual part but can't listen the the other parts simultaneously as you do this. No good. Strike two.

I suppose I could select the part I want to adjust via the pads as was suggested above (once again, great reply posts) and move that level in real time...

I am disappointed by this limitation. I guess I assumed the FA08/06 had this capability of real time multi-voice dynamic control as other workstations do (previously mentioned in my earlier post)

Granted, this keyboard is NOT the cost of those flagship workstations in their day.

I see that some of you are getting your FA08/06 shipped to you very shortly. That's great ! Hopefully, more eyes on this instrument will benefit all of us in reaping the full potential of it !

BTW, After second listen, I really was not impressed by the organ engine or leslie sim on the FA. I think I previously said I thought I liked it but.....there are better options.

I am loving everything else about this board but might re look at the MOXF8 before my return time expires. I'd hate to give up this board. Maybe an email to Roland support about this capability is in order?
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#2582927 - 03/21/14 01:51 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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The Leslie sim is a bit better than I thought, but the organ is very rompler sounding. It sounds like the organ in the Jupiters, which is a bit weak. No C/V is a big limitation. To me, the VR-09 sounds much better.

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#2582936 - 03/21/14 02:17 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: ABECK]
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Playing my FA-06 right now!

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#2582940 - 03/21/14 02:34 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: George88]
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Keys feel OK?
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#2582945 - 03/21/14 02:44 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: CEB]
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CEB, They do to me. They don't feel as good as the JX-10 or D-50, but I wouldn't expect it to.

The Wurlys stink. Sad stuff there.

But there are more pads and synth sounds than I've had any any other Rompler.

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#2582947 - 03/21/14 02:47 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: George88]
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Cool. Thanks.
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#2582952 - 03/21/14 03:10 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: George88]
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Originally Posted By: George88

But there are more pads and synth sounds than I've had any any other Rompler.


That's because it's not a ROMpler per se, it's a ROMpler + VA + other things.

Busch.

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#2582985 - 03/21/14 06:20 PM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: ABECK]
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
The Leslie sim is a bit better than I thought, but the organ is very rompler sounding. It sounds like the organ in the Jupiters, which is a bit weak. No C/V is a big limitation. To me, the VR-09 sounds much better.


I only had a couple of minutes with one today, but in a quick mini-eval I thought Rotary 1 sounded best, but that doesn't include an overdrive parameter, only Rotary 3 does. You can use the overdrive MFX, but that sounded pretty bad. Maybe one of the guitar amp sims would have been better...?

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#2583085 - 03/22/14 09:39 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: AnotherScott]
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The organ is certainly passable going sub out through a vent.

This thing has so many SN synth tones. It's really nice. Playing piano/e.piano parts on the 06 leaves a lot to be desired but for someone who has piano action covered, this is a great keyboard for synth/organ (w/o drawbars).


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#2583101 - 03/22/14 11:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: George88]
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Rehearsal in two and half hours. Still waiting on Fed Ex. Told wife I order a sampler. Didn't tell it was coming it 3 huge boxes. Got to have the accessories. Sounds like this will work well with my existing gear.


Edited by CEB (03/22/14 11:06 AM)
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#2583116 - 03/22/14 11:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: aellison62]
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Originally Posted By: aellison62
Since all parts of a studio set are on the same MIDI channel, they cannot be separately controlled by the assignable knobs as was alluded to above....strike one.


IIRC sounds can have different channels in a Studio Setup - assign them to a channel and enable keyboard on edit page 2. Perhaps that can make a difference?!

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#2583280 - 03/23/14 05:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: Analogaddict]
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The FA-06 keys are just as shitty as the ones on the VR-09, GAIA, and Juno-Di. I would rather play a Krome -- at least its keys are full sized.

Also, the Wurli sounds are very good and need to be played on a weighted action.

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#2583288 - 03/23/14 06:20 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 Multi-play mode [Re: D-Bon]
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Yep. The action sucks. VERY shallow. I think the black keys on the FA are better than the Krome. But I guess I am going to keep the Roland.

Sonically it is strong where my yamaha is weak. I will the synth engine. It is was stronger at heavy synth brass, saws, synth strings and leads. I bought it for the sampler and sequencer anyway. I only have an hour on the board. I didn't like S90XS the 1st day I got it. Maybe the FA-06 will get a little better.


Edited by CEB (03/23/14 06:22 AM)
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