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#2561521 - 01/15/14 06:26 AM Roland FA-06 and FA-08
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A bit of Fantom recycling going on... smile

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#2561524 - 01/15/14 06:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Looks like these are aimed squarely at the MOXF market. Around 1300UKP for the 88.
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#2561528 - 01/15/14 06:50 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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No aftertouch on the FA06 at least... idk

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#2561534 - 01/15/14 06:59 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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But the GOOD news, if I understand correctly, is that the FA has 16 independent MFX units - awesome for when doing multi-part sequencing.
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#2561536 - 01/15/14 07:02 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Michael W]
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And to be fair, you probably wouldn't be expecting aftertouch at this price point. MOXF doesn't have it either.
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#2561537 - 01/15/14 07:04 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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#2561539 - 01/15/14 07:05 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
And to be fair, you probably wouldn't be expecting aftertouch at this price point. MOXF doesn't have it either.


It just seems such an odd omission on a new flagship product. unless it isn't a flagship product of course... smile

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#2561542 - 01/15/14 07:08 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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The bass strings of that "acoustic piano" sound in the video are like no piano I've ever played. What the hell are Roland playing at here?

At £1299 I don't think this is the flagship - this is their MOXF.


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#2561546 - 01/15/14 07:15 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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#2561552 - 01/15/14 07:21 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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It's absolutely Roland's take on the MOXF, with the usual cost-cutting. No aftertouch and external PSU. There do seem to be a lot of sockets on the back panel, but the images don't zoom close enough for me to read the labels.

Did anyone spot the weight of either? EDIT just seen the other thread 16.5k for the 88 ain't bad.

Cheers, Mike.


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#2561553 - 01/15/14 07:22 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: stoken6]
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now why would they give you a great piano in the FA when the new RD800 piano is all that and a bag of chips?
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#2561558 - 01/15/14 07:25 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
At £1299 I don't think this is the flagship - this is their MOXF


Agreed! but there really is a lot here for the price. This thing is aimed squarely at the MOXF & Krome. And I think if I were looking right now and this was I available I think this has more to offer than the former. I'm not looking for a replacement for my MOX8 just yet. But it does look a hell of a lot easier to use!
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#2561560 - 01/15/14 07:28 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Toano88]
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Yeah, I think all the manufacturers are finding more ways to create value in the sound engine, while making the interface cheaper. The molded plastic reminds me of the RD64 and A88. Not flagship at all. It's a mid/low end battleground.

The whole idea of downloading additional sounds means more customization. I would guess over successive products you could shrink the size (and unfriendliness) of the core onboard library. Jazzers may own a very different synth than rockers will, perhaps.

Funnily, I still miss those Roland multi-timbral performances with pads and orchestral sounds. I felt a twinge of gas watching the Sonic State video.

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#2561561 - 01/15/14 07:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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I read about this earlier today over on the Korgforums website.

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#2561578 - 01/15/14 08:22 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
It's absolutely Roland's take on the MOXF, with the usual cost-cutting. No aftertouch and external PSU. There do seem to be a lot of sockets on the back panel, but the images don't zoom close enough for me to read the labels.


Spot-on. The external PSU, lack of sliders (as found on the Fantom-G), and no 76-key version lines the FA's up exactly with the MOX's. With the core sounds from the Integra - included the TW organs, it will be solid, sonic competition for the MOX series, though. Looks to be a very nice instrument - especially at that price point.


Originally Posted By: stoken6
Did anyone spot the weight of either? EDIT just seen the other thread 16.5k for the 88 ain't bad......


The weight's a big plus, at 36 lb..
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#2561596 - 01/15/14 08:46 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: JerryA]
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Yeah, I think all the manufacturers are finding more ways to create value in the sound engine, while making the interface cheaper. The molded plastic reminds me of the RD64 and A88. Not flagship at all. It's a mid/low end battleground.

The whole idea of downloading additional sounds means more customization. I would guess over successive products you could shrink the size (and unfriendliness) of the core onboard library. Jazzers may own a very different synth than rockers will, perhaps.

Funnily, I still miss those Roland multi-timbral performances with pads and orchestral sounds. I felt a twinge of gas watching the Sonic State video.


So maybe we have seen the last of workstations as flagship products. For sure the spec of this is somewhat higher than the old G8. How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

As for aftertouch, if my old cheapo Emu USB controller has it and my old Novation KS4 (which actually was one of the best key beds ever for me) then I think lack of aftertouch is more a product differentiation exercise than pure cost cutting.

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#2561598 - 01/15/14 08:48 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: alien_evil]
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I actually have an FA-06 here at the moment. I'm reviewing it for Keyboard mag. thu

Just got it yesterday, so I haven't really dug into it yet....but from what I hear, I really like the way it sounds.

Still not sure how I feel about the super light weight thing in general yet. I've had several keyboards here for review that fall into that category (Kross, MOXF, VR-09), and my XK-1c is also way light weight. I guess as long as they stand up to the rigors of the road, it shouldn't be a problem.

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#2561602 - 01/15/14 08:54 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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I think the guy in the video said there's no organ engine in this one, though.

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#2561607 - 01/15/14 09:10 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: torhu]
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Probably not, if they're keeping parity with the MOXF.
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#2561611 - 01/15/14 09:24 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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To quote someone on another forum, the FA stands for F**k Aftertouch.

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#2561612 - 01/15/14 09:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dana.]
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Please don't add to my cleaning bill like that, Dana...
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#2561613 - 01/15/14 09:26 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: orangefunk]
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How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

Jupiter 80/50 = SuperNatural acoustic and SuperNatural synth.

Integra 7 = same as above, plus some new additional SN acoustic tones, plus those (PCM) from the XV-5080 and all 12 SRX cards. Also a high quality PCM GM2 soundset, though I don't know if those sounds are unique or are drawn from the other PCM libraries already resident. (The effects structure of the I7 is different from the Jupiters, so even though it has all the individual SN tones of the Jupiters, you can't necessarily duplicate all the Jupiter sounds as programmed.)

It sounds like the FA contains the SN synth tones, the XV-5080 PCM tones, and a subset of the SN acoustic tones.
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#2561616 - 01/15/14 09:30 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dana.]
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To quote someone on another forum, the FA stands for F**k Aftertouch.


That's about right! grin

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#2561620 - 01/15/14 09:32 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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Please don't add to my cleaning bill like that, Dana...

Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

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#2561621 - 01/15/14 09:34 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Dana.]
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Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

Actually, I have a service that takes care of that for me. idea thu

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#2561624 - 01/15/14 09:36 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Aidan]
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damn I just bought a Yamaha. This one looks like a strong contender, with same features, but adding a friendly sampler (not requiring any additional (expensive) flash cards).

And I bet the interface is friendlier than Yamaha.


I wonder if it has anything similar to a Master Mode..
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#2561627 - 01/15/14 09:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: AnotherScott]
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How does this compare with the JP80 in terms of the sound engine? I have never really fully understood the difference between that and the Integra.

Jupiter 80/50 = SuperNatural acoustic and SuperNatural synth.

Integra 7 = same as above, plus some new additional SN acoustic tones, plus those (PCM) from the XV-5080 and all 12 SRX cards. Also a high quality PCM GM2 soundset, though I don't know if those sounds are unique or are drawn from the other PCM libraries already resident. (The effects structure of the I7 is different from the Jupiters, so even though it has all the individual SN tones of the Jupiters, you can't necessarily duplicate all the Jupiter sounds as programmed.)

It sounds like the FA contains the SN synth tones, the XV-5080 PCM tones, and a subset of the SN acoustic tones.


Thanks for that! Seems that this new FA series has a whole plethora of features which would be welcome in a high end flagship product.

Maybe the sales of such high end products from Roland has diminished in recent years though…. I am not sure how many G8s were sold… I never saw anyone play those live for sure… same story with the Motif XF… though I have seen a few Kronos' though not many 88 keys all told.

Btw, Aidan, I understood from another forum that the street price was £1,299 pounds which would mean the MSRP would be somewhat higher… perhaps that is wrong though… £1,299 is a high price for a product.. but maybe this is the sign of the market.

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#2561628 - 01/15/14 09:38 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: Grave Bryce]
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Send the bill to dB. After all, he only has a thong to clean, and he probably hand washes it.

Actually, I have a service that takes care of that for me. idea thu

dB


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#2561633 - 01/15/14 09:49 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: alien_evil]
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Pricing will be very important. Looks like the FA-08 will be considerably more than the MOXF8.

Price I can find ( http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm...eyboards-591188 ) is 1529 pounds which is about $2900 AUD. You can get a MOXF 8 here for approx $1700 or 900 pounds

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#2561642 - 01/15/14 09:57 AM Re: Roland FA-06 and FA-08 [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Pricing will be very important. Looks like the FA-08 will be considerably more than the MOXF8.

Price I can find ( http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm...eyboards-591188 ) is 1529 pounds which is about $2900 AUD. You can get a MOXF 8 here for approx $1700 or 900 pounds

US MSRP on the FA-06 is $1199 ($1399 MSRP). FA-08 is $1799 MAP ($2099 MSRP).

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