AnotherScott Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 p.s. marino... at least you got the wheels where you want them! :-) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Love the form factor, the price, the weight. Thoughtful design choices from the people at Yamaha. They have been listening. B3s are conspicuously absent, but modeled B3s aren't hard to find elsewhere. I'm glad they saved the rom for the stronger Yamaha sounds. Thank you for the wheels, and where you put them. I'm looking forward to trying this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 With only a $500 price difference most will spring for the CP4 anyway (over the CP40). Last time around the spread was $900 (CP5 vs. CP50) - and that's big enough to sway some decisions. I'm intrigued - and most impressed with the price point of the 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 B3s are conspicuously absent, but modeled B3s aren't hard to find elsewhere. My bad. "Organ" is included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Paxton Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Man, I was all set to go ahead and write this one off as not something I need, but this new info has got my ears perked up. Ah well, I don't need a new car this year that badly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Thanks for the additional details Athan. The CP4 looks like an excellent successor to the (already great) CP5! Cheers, James x Quote Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LX88 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 If the price is at about 2K and its as good as they claim I will want one. I do hope they follow the trend of lowering prices. ( from my previous post). Well, I pretty much nailed that one in a previous post. I had the feeling that Yamaha was not going to follow the example of the Roland RD700NX or the Yamaha CP-5 and put the price at the higher side of 2K. So then .... will someone tell me what the difference would be between MAP price and street price? Keep in mind that certain online retailers generally offer a 15 percent discount during this time of year. In the case of an instrument selling for $2000, that amounts to around a 300 dollar savings. Even so, I am not buying anything sight unseen. Still , this looks like the thing that a lot of us have been waiting for. I held off on getting a CP-5. I just couldn't see hauling all that weight, paying all that money, etc. etc. This price and weight makes a bit more sense. And I am hoping this is the last DP I am going to need for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzjazz Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Great news that the power supply is internal. Is it compatible with 220-240v or will separate models be made for different parts of the world? Back in the day Yamaha boards used to be voltage switchable. Even my KeyB accepts all line voltages. Fingers crossed from Yamaha. Quote www.dazzjazz.com PhD in Jazz Organ Improvisation. BMus (Hons) Jazz Piano. my YouTube is Jazz Organ Bites 1961 A100.Leslie 45 & 122. MAG P-2 Organ. Kawai K300J. Yamaha CP4. Moog Matriarch. KIWI-8P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 So then .... will someone tell me what the difference would be between MAP price and street price? Keep in mind that certain online retailers generally offer a 15 percent discount during this time of year. In the case of an instrument selling for $2000, that amounts to around a 300 dollar savings. It can be even greater than that if you call in (important) towards the end of a sales event when the salesmen are scrambling to make their quotas. I got 20% off MAP on my PX-5s doing it that way. But you've got to be patient and wait for the right time - and there's no certainty about it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Seems like a perfectly reasonable split... external power supply in the lighter and cheaper model, internal power supply in the more "pro" model. There is nothing "reasonable" about external power supplies... they're abominable leftovers from barbarian times, and should be outlawed in any civilized human community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 p.s. marino... at least you got the wheels where you want them! :-) I won't even start about that. In a different thread perhaps... someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I would buy one....... if it had on-board speakers. Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRW Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Do you think the pitch and mod wheels are too far from the left side? I once had a MO8, and I used to -hate- reaching for the "top", it also had wheels in a similar location. To me it looks that way, but I'll wait until I try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRW Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 As much as I sang the praises of the CF Grand on the CP5, in louder rock situations, unless you used the Rock Bright Grand, I felt CF piano could take on an almost Roland-sque character. I didn't (don't) think the (acoustic grand) presets in the CP5 were any good anyway, so I designed my own patches...didn't you? The only acoustic grand preset I actually liked was "Old School", which emulates a crummy upright pretty nicely. The EP presets were better, but not great. I'm not that excited about how the CP4 looks, based on the ad, I think the dualtone CP1/5 is much more stylish. I'm interested in trying one out, though, eapecially the heavier touch. Th CP5 was even disappointtingly soft/light, but I've gotten used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeJackson Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I'm wondering if deeper editing can be done from the piano. On my CP300, I have to use software if I want to do much to the sounds. The CP1 and 5, if I recall correctly, do let the player dig in to edit the amp envelope and detailed reverb settings, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The CP4 will start appearing in stores in the US around October 1st. Is the timeframe for the MOXF 61/88 about the same? Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Billias Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The editing on the CP4 is similar to the CP5, but laid out a little differently. By pressing and holding down the Chorus, Reverb, or Insertion effect buttons on the front panel for a few seconds,it takes you write to the deep edit parameter pages so it' s actually easy to tweak the mic models on the acoustic pianos or the preamp models on the electric pianos. You also have control over Tine position, Note Off level, Amp and Filter EG, etc. Quote Director of Marketing Pro Audio and Combo Division Yamaha Corporation of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Billias Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The CP4 will start appearing in stores in the US around October 1st. Is the timeframe for the MOXF 61/88 about the same? The web release date for the MOXF is Sept 19, one week after the CP4 Stage on Sept 12. However the MOXF should appear in the market at about the same time at the beginning of October. Quote Director of Marketing Pro Audio and Combo Division Yamaha Corporation of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Athan, Can you tell us when the cp4 will be hitting the stores in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Billias Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Athan, Can you tell us when the cp4 will be hitting the stores in Europe? Not precisely as there are different shipping windows for different countries and we only have information on what is headed to the US. However it usually is not that far apart from US ship dates. Quote Director of Marketing Pro Audio and Combo Division Yamaha Corporation of America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Again the question: Is a model planned with internal speakers like the CP300 ? Quote Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Kurzweil PC3A6, Prophet 5, Moog Sub37, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, LB Organ Grinder Live: Yamaha CP88, Yamaha Motif Rack ES, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Kurzweil PC3-61, Leslie 251, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I would buy one....... if it had on-board speakers. +1 !!!! Quote Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Kurzweil PC3A6, Prophet 5, Moog Sub37, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, LB Organ Grinder Live: Yamaha CP88, Yamaha Motif Rack ES, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Kurzweil PC3-61, Leslie 251, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeJackson Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The editing on the CP4 is similar to the CP5, but laid out a little differently. By pressing and holding down the Chorus, Reverb, or Insertion effect buttons on the front panel for a few seconds,it takes you write to the deep edit parameter pages so it' s actually easy to tweak the mic models on the acoustic pianos or the preamp models on the electric pianos. You also have control over Tine position, Note Off level, Amp and Filter EG, etc. Thank you. This new instrument does sound interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agitato Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range. 1) Far lighter 2) No built-in speakers 3) Because there are other sounds drawn from the Motif series, there's probably going to be more quality and breadth in its "extra sounds" Basically, they're not that comparable. The ES7 is more suited to a "mixed" use, as it has a home stand and pedal unit available to match, whereas the CP4 is aimed at stage use. I'm quite excited by the CP4, but the Casios have me rather spoiled for weight now, and it does remain to be seen how good the new Yamaha is in mono, given how unusable the CP5 was in such circumstances. DF's comments give me hope, though... Quote Studio: Yamaha P515 | Yamaha Tyros 5 | Yamaha HX1 | Moog Sub 37 Road: Yamaha YC88 | Nord Electro 5D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFP Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Makes more sense to me. If wonder if there is really less space above the keys in the front than further back. I thought the Yamaha mechanism was always facing downward. Pity if they could have done it in this way, but simply didn't cause they simply didn't think about it.... If it's technically not possible, I understand. http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/cp4-II.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 How extensive are the MIDI controller functions? Can splits/layers be programed for internal and external sounds? Programmable entry volume levels? I see those three sliders....can they control (three) zone volume levels? Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Athan, may I ask you to clarify this point, please? based on the Spectral Component Modeling sounds from the former series... What does 'based on' mean in his context? Does this mean that the CP4 no longer utilises the SCM sound engine from the CP1 (and CP5?)? Of course, I'll understand if you'd prefer not to disclose this information. Cheers, James x Quote Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range. 1) Far lighter 2) No built-in speakers 3) Because there are other sounds drawn from the Motif series, there's probably going to be more quality and breadth in its "extra sounds" Basically, they're not that comparable. The ES7 is more suited to a "mixed" use, as it has a home stand and pedal unit available to match, whereas the CP4 is aimed at stage use. This is largely correct, however I believe the ES7 is still an excellent choice for piano-oriented players that require a portable instrument - regardless of the fact that it features built-in speakers. It's a little heavier than the CP4, certainly, but only by 3kg or so. Cheers, James x Quote Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voxpops Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range. 1) Far lighter 2) No built-in speakers 3) Because there are other sounds drawn from the Motif series, there's probably going to be more quality and breadth in its "extra sounds" Basically, they're not that comparable. The ES7 is more suited to a "mixed" use, as it has a home stand and pedal unit available to match, whereas the CP4 is aimed at stage use. This is largely correct, however I believe the ES7 is still an excellent choice for piano-oriented players that require a portable instrument - regardless of the fact that it features built-in speakers. It's a little heavier than the CP4, certainly, but only by 3kg or so. Cheers, James x Nice try, James, but the CP4 is NEW! (You'll have to wait until that newness wears off a bit before expecting a sober comparison.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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