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#2525251 - 09/07/13 11:24 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: marino]
AnotherScott Offline
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Originally Posted By: marino
Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
Originally Posted By: Nicky
internal or external power supply on the CP4? control pedal input?
thanks
Standard AC cable with internal Power Supply on the CP4
thu thu thu thu

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the CP40 uses a PA150 AC adaptor.
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Seems like a perfectly reasonable split... external power supply in the lighter and cheaper model, internal power supply in the more "pro" model.

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#2525252 - 09/07/13 11:27 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: marino]
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Is the spectral interpolation also a part of the acoustic piano sound ? I recall that was the case with the CP5 type Yamahas, but maybe I'm mistaking. Of course something in the sample engine, apart from trivial filtering, should be adaptive to compete with the V.A.S.T. signal path, though like in the motifs (which I play since a decade) there also could be a lot of hidden samples and intelligent filtering..

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#2525254 - 09/07/13 11:34 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: marino]
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p.s. marino... at least you got the wheels where you want them! :-)

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#2525263 - 09/07/13 12:08 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: michielOSX30]
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Love the form factor, the price, the weight. Thoughtful design choices from the people at Yamaha. They have been listening. B3s are conspicuously absent, but modeled B3s aren't hard to find elsewhere. I'm glad they saved the rom for the stronger Yamaha sounds. Thank you for the wheels, and where you put them. thu

I'm looking forward to trying this out.

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#2525264 - 09/07/13 12:11 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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With only a $500 price difference most will spring for the CP4 anyway (over the CP40). Last time around the spread was $900 (CP5 vs. CP50) - and that's big enough to sway some decisions.

I'm intrigued - and most impressed with the price point of the 4 smile

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#2525266 - 09/07/13 12:21 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Tusker]
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Originally Posted By: Tusker
B3s are conspicuously absent, but modeled B3s aren't hard to find elsewhere.

My bad. "Organ" is included.

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#2525281 - 09/07/13 02:44 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Tusker]
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Man, I was all set to go ahead and write this one off as not something I need, but this new info has got my ears perked up. Ah well, I don't need a new car this year that badly...

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#2525306 - 09/07/13 04:47 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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Thanks for the additional details Athan. The CP4 looks like an excellent successor to the (already great) CP5!

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#2525309 - 09/07/13 04:52 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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If the price is at about 2K and its as good as they claim I will want one. I do hope they follow the trend of lowering prices.
[/quote] ( from my previous post).

Well, I pretty much nailed that one in a previous post. I had the feeling that Yamaha was not going to follow the example of the Roland RD700NX or the Yamaha CP-5 and put the price at the higher side of 2K.

So then .... will someone tell me what the difference would be between MAP price and street price?

Keep in mind that certain online retailers generally offer a 15 percent discount during this time of year. In the case of an instrument selling for $2000, that amounts to around a 300 dollar savings.

Even so, I am not buying anything sight unseen. Still , this looks like the thing that a lot of us have been waiting for.

I held off on getting a CP-5. I just couldn't see hauling all that weight, paying all that money, etc. etc.

This price and weight makes a bit more sense.

And I am hoping this is the last DP I am going to need for a while.


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#2525311 - 09/07/13 05:00 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Great news that the power supply is internal.
Is it compatible with 220-240v or will separate models be made for different parts of the world?


Back in the day Yamaha boards used to be voltage switchable. Even my KeyB accepts all line voltages. Fingers crossed from Yamaha.
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#2525322 - 09/07/13 06:19 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88

So then .... will someone tell me what the difference would be between MAP price and street price?

Keep in mind that certain online retailers generally offer a 15 percent discount during this time of year. In the case of an instrument selling for $2000, that amounts to around a 300 dollar savings.


It can be even greater than that if you call in (important) towards the end of a sales event when the salesmen are scrambling to make their quotas. I got 20% off MAP on my PX-5s doing it that way. But you've got to be patient and wait for the right time - and there's no certainty about it either.

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#2525332 - 09/07/13 07:13 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Seems like a perfectly reasonable split... external power supply in the lighter and cheaper model, internal power supply in the more "pro" model.

There is nothing "reasonable" about external power supplies... they're abominable leftovers from barbarian times, and should be outlawed in any civilized human community.

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#2525333 - 09/07/13 07:16 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
p.s. marino... at least you got the wheels where you want them! :-)

I won't even start about that. In a different thread perhaps... someday.

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#2525339 - 09/07/13 07:49 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: marino]
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I would buy one....... if it had on-board speakers.
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#2525384 - 09/08/13 12:35 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Do you think the pitch and mod wheels are too far from the left side?


I once had a MO8, and I used to -hate- reaching for the "top", it also had wheels in a similar location. To me it looks that way, but I'll wait until I try it.

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#2525385 - 09/08/13 12:44 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris


As much as I sang the praises of the CF Grand on the CP5, in louder rock situations, unless you used the Rock Bright Grand, I felt CF piano could take on an almost Roland-sque character.


I didn't (don't) think the (acoustic grand) presets in the CP5 were any good anyway, so I designed my own patches...didn't you? The only acoustic grand preset I actually liked was "Old School", which emulates a crummy upright pretty nicely.

The EP presets were better, but not great.

I'm not that excited about how the CP4 looks, based on the ad, I think the dualtone CP1/5 is much more stylish. I'm interested in trying one out, though, eapecially the heavier touch. Th CP5 was even disappointtingly soft/light, but I've gotten used to it.

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#2525404 - 09/08/13 05:20 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: BRW]
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I'm wondering if deeper editing can be done from the piano. On my CP300, I have to use software if I want to do much to the sounds. The CP1 and 5, if I recall correctly, do let the player dig in to edit the amp envelope and detailed reverb settings, etc.

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#2525424 - 09/08/13 07:25 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
The CP4 will start appearing in stores in the US around October 1st.

Is the timeframe for the MOXF 61/88 about the same?

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#2525459 - 09/08/13 10:09 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: JakeJackson]
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The editing on the CP4 is similar to the CP5, but laid out a little differently.

By pressing and holding down the Chorus, Reverb, or Insertion effect buttons on the front panel for a few seconds,it takes you write to the deep edit parameter pages so it' s actually easy to tweak the mic models on the acoustic pianos or the preamp models on the electric pianos. You also have control over Tine position, Note Off level, Amp and Filter EG, etc.
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#2525460 - 09/08/13 10:10 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
Athan Billias Offline
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
The CP4 will start appearing in stores in the US around October 1st.

Is the timeframe for the MOXF 61/88 about the same?


The web release date for the MOXF is Sept 19, one week after the CP4 Stage on Sept 12. However the MOXF should appear in the market at about the same time at the beginning of October.
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#2525462 - 09/08/13 10:18 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Athan,

Can you tell us when the cp4 will be hitting the stores in Europe?

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#2525466 - 09/08/13 10:36 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: michielOSX30]
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Originally Posted By: michielOSX30
Athan,

Can you tell us when the cp4 will be hitting the stores in Europe?



Not precisely as there are different shipping windows for different countries and we only have information on what is headed to the US. However it usually is not that far apart from US ship dates.
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#2525470 - 09/08/13 11:19 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Again the question:

Is a model planned with internal speakers like the CP300 ?
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#2525471 - 09/08/13 11:20 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Jazz+]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+

I would buy one....... if it had on-board speakers.


+1 !!!!
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#2525473 - 09/08/13 11:33 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
The editing on the CP4 is similar to the CP5, but laid out a little differently.

By pressing and holding down the Chorus, Reverb, or Insertion effect buttons on the front panel for a few seconds,it takes you write to the deep edit parameter pages so it' s actually easy to tweak the mic models on the acoustic pianos or the preamp models on the electric pianos. You also have control over Tine position, Note Off level, Amp and Filter EG, etc.


Thank you. This new instrument does sound interesting.

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#2525479 - 09/08/13 11:56 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Kawai James]
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James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range.

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#2525482 - 09/08/13 12:07 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: agitato]
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Originally Posted By: agitato
James, how might this new cp4,(lack of built-in speakers aside),compare with kawai's es7? It seems to be around the same price range.


1) Far lighter
2) No built-in speakers
3) Because there are other sounds drawn from the Motif series, there's probably going to be more quality and breadth in its "extra sounds"

Basically, they're not that comparable. The ES7 is more suited to a "mixed" use, as it has a home stand and pedal unit available to match, whereas the CP4 is aimed at stage use.

I'm quite excited by the CP4, but the Casios have me rather spoiled for weight now, and it does remain to be seen how good the new Yamaha is in mono, given how unusable the CP5 was in such circumstances. DF's comments give me hope, though...
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#2525484 - 09/08/13 12:19 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Aidan]
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Makes more sense to me. If wonder if there is really less space above the keys in the front than further back. I thought the Yamaha mechanism was always facing downward. Pity if they could have done it in this way, but simply didn't cause they simply didn't think about it.... If it's technically not possible, I understand.


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#2525528 - 09/08/13 03:49 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: JFP]
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How extensive are the MIDI controller functions? Can splits/layers be programed for internal and external sounds? Programmable entry volume levels? I see those three sliders....can they control (three) zone volume levels?
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#2525547 - 09/08/13 05:13 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Athan, may I ask you to clarify this point, please?

Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
based on the Spectral Component Modeling sounds from the former series...


What does 'based on' mean in his context?

Does this mean that the CP4 no longer utilises the SCM sound engine from the CP1 (and CP5?)?

Of course, I'll understand if you'd prefer not to disclose this information.

Cheers,
James
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