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#2525014 - 09/06/13 10:55 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Do you think the pitch and mod wheels are too far from the left side?


No, but they may be too close to the right side. smile


When does it ever really make sense to have the wheels all the way to the left on something as long as an 88? Is the idea that you need to be uncomfortably stretched out in order to use them? Sorry this layout makes much more sense to me.

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#2525019 - 09/06/13 11:02 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
The thing I notice is that they seem to be offering the same samples ( or models, whatever) of previous pianos that they have offered.

The CFIII and the S6 are pre-existing, the CFX is new. And it's good that they still have the old ones. One thing that annoys people is when a new model doesn't include their favorite sound from the previous, as when the S90XS didn't include the S700 from the S90ES. Hmm... too bad they didn't toss the S700 into this too! But that's okay, it looks great, I won't be a pig...

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#2525023 - 09/06/13 11:12 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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My mistake.... I am glad if they are offering something new. Then we may get to see if newer is better.


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#2525065 - 09/06/13 02:06 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Who's to say they are not updating the Yamaha CFIII and the Yamaha S6 sample sets?

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#2525073 - 09/06/13 03:13 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Jazz+]
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I'm going to order one, my sixth sense about gear tells me this is the one.
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#2525100 - 09/06/13 05:48 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: dazzjazz]
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Darren

Your shopping chops must be up after the nabbing an Italian Key B.

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#2525104 - 09/06/13 06:05 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Even if Yamaha only offers existing sample sets, the fact that it looks like they are reducing the weight over the CP-5 is an important development.

As far as I am concerned Yamaha blew it four years ago by continuing to offer heavy keyboards. During that time I passed on the CP-5 and have been using a Roland RD 300GX ( 37 pounds ) instead.

Before that I preferred Yamaha but I could never get with the weight of CP-5's, S90's or 88 key Motifs in any form, and before that things like the P-200 etc.etc. were just monsters to haul around. Even the CP-33 is somewhat of a beast, once you add a decent case.

It's about time Yamaha gave us something that includes decent electric pianos ( an assumption here) with reasonable weight and action.


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#2525105 - 09/06/13 06:10 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Darren

Your shopping chops must be up after the nabbing an Italian Key B.


Damn straight!
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#2525114 - 09/06/13 07:50 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: dazzjazz]
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Any idea how the acoustic piano sound on this will compare to the CP1?
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#2525116 - 09/06/13 08:11 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Even if Yamaha only offers existing sample sets, the fact that it looks like they are reducing the weight over the CP-5 is an important development.

As far as I am concerned Yamaha blew it four years ago by continuing to offer heavy keyboards. During that time I passed on the CP-5 and have been using a Roland RD 300GX ( 37 pounds ) instead.

Before that I preferred Yamaha but I could never get with the weight of CP-5's, S90's or 88 key Motifs in any form, and before that things like the P-200 etc.etc. were just monsters to haul around. Even the CP-33 is somewhat of a beast, once you add a decent case.

It's about time Yamaha gave us something that includes decent electric pianos ( an assumption here) with reasonable weight and action.

The P-80 and P-90 were two Yamaha DPs I bought mainly cause they were under 40 lbs. After a while I got so tired of the stretched sample sound.

I might own a N2 for my home, but for live playing, it's going to take a lot to change from my Roland FP-4 and I like speakers in the piano. They add a little stereo image for the type of gigs I play.

Of course if they manage to move the bar forward then I can't wait to try it.
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#2525157 - 09/07/13 02:07 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: 16251]
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Anybody know if the thread go 60 pages?

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#2525159 - 09/07/13 02:39 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: ksoper]
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#2525213 - 09/07/13 09:03 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Hi,

Sorry we haven't replied yet as we just got off a red eye from Japan.

Here are some answers to questions that have been raised.

We did ask to have some information held back on the forums, but only until we could get information out to our dealers so they wouldn't be caught by surprise. The ad appeared a few weeks before we thought it would. So we are happy to provide information here now that dealers have been provided with the information they needed.

On September 9th at 1 PM PST Yamaha's website and dealer websites will be opened with complete information, movies and interviews with artists.

The CP4 will start appearing in stores in the US around October 1st. The MAP price of the CP4 in the US is $2199.99.

It does feature Spectral Component Modeling . It is a Graded Wooden Hammer action (the CP5 was balanced so the weight did not change over the keyboard).

The CP4 Stage is the first pro stage piano to feature a CFX,Yamaha' flagship 9' Concert Grand. . It also has a CFIII and S6 pianos so the entire Yamaha Premium Piano Collection is represented. By the way, the S6 piano is very similar in design and part of the same family as the S700. It was specifically designed to have a warmer, more intimate sound than the CFX and CFIII.

At the same time we are releasing the CP40 , a baby brother to the CP4 which has fewer sounds (no CFX and one tine EP model). This will be a MAP price of $1699.99 in the US and replaces the CP50.

One of the biggest improvements on the new CP series is the user interface. It's very easy to understand and quick to get around on. We think people will really like it. There is also direct audio recording and playback to USB memory devices.

If you have specific questions, we are happy to try and provide that information.
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#2525217 - 09/07/13 09:17 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Thanks Athan. Glad to see the pricing coming down not going up.

Question: Aside from the graded vs. balanced weighting, has the action changed significantly from the NW-STAGE found on the CP-1/5? Did the nearly 20 lbs in weight saving come from a redesigned action or other places?

Busch.

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#2525219 - 09/07/13 09:28 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
At the same time we are releasing the CP40 , a baby brother to the CP4 which has fewer sounds (no CFX and one tine EP model). This will be a MAP price of $1699.99 in the US and replaces the CP50.

What action is in the CP40? What does the CP40 weigh?

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#2525222 - 09/07/13 09:34 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Gotta ask: what does 45 pianos and 47 electric pianos mean in the ad copy?

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#2525223 - 09/07/13 09:36 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: burningbusch]
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Actually, the Graded NW action is now the same design as used on our hi end Clavinova's so it's not new, but has been implemented in the overall design so it's roadworthy. The CP5 was a Balanced NW action.

The reduction in weight came from other areas including the overall size of the design itself.
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#2525225 - 09/07/13 09:38 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
Actually, the Graded NW action is now the same design as used on our hi end Clavinova's so it's not new, but has been implemented in the overall design so it's roadworthy. The CP5 was a Balanced NW action.

The reduction in weight came from other areas including the overall size of the design itself.


Awesome.

Busch.

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#2525227 - 09/07/13 09:40 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
Actually, the Graded NW action is now the same design as used on our hi end Clavinova's

The high end Clavinovas have a three sensor design. Any chance that has made it down to the CP as well?

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#2525228 - 09/07/13 09:49 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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The 45 grand pianos are different voices created from the core CFX, CFIII and S6 sounds. There is a lot of control on board including mic modeling , virtual circuit modeling effects, parametric EQ and of course reverb, delays, etc.

As well, there are different sample variations , for example , there is a Mono version of each piano, etc.

The 47 electric pianos are created from the different Spectral Component Models. There are different models of different era tine and reed electric pianos as well as DX7 and CP80 sounds These are based on the Spectral Component Modeling sounds from the former series , but have been updated in particular to match the new graded NW keyboard.
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#2525229 - 09/07/13 09:55 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
At the same time we are releasing the CP40 , a baby brother to the CP4 which has fewer sounds (no CFX and one tine EP model). This will be a MAP price of $1699.99 in the US and replaces the CP50.

What action is in the CP40? What does the CP40 weigh?


The CP40 is a Graded Hammer Action and weighs about three pounds less than the CP4.
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#2525231 - 09/07/13 09:55 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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internal or external power supply on the CP4? control pedal input?
thanks

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#2525232 - 09/07/13 09:57 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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This is putting a damper (no pun intended) on my plans to get a used cp33/cp50!

I'd be curious as the difference in "other sounds" between those 3 generations:
cp33
cp5/cp50
cp4/cp40

I think piano would be fine for me with any of them. Hard to say for sure as I can't find any of the existing ones (and of course the new ones aren't out). I've played a p155 and like the action; I played a mox8 and did not (otherwise it would be contender...actually still is but I digress).
EP would come in second in importance
After that would be horns/strings/synths/pads -- not a showstopper if they suck but it would be a nice fallback if my main synth goes down.
Organ I have no expectation that it would be any good on a Yamaha board, especially a stage piano, so I won't worry about it! smile

Of course I can get the older boards much cheaper used so I'd be trading $$ for features.

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#2525236 - 09/07/13 10:05 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: burningbusch]
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I'm assuming it's cool to go ahead with this ,so:

I had a sneak preview down at S.I.R. in Hollywood almost a month ago. I spent 20, maybe 25 minutes tops on it. It was running direct into a pair of Yamaha DXR10s. The sound was excellent.

The new CFX Grand sample is quite good and imo an improvement over the CF Grand in the CP5/1. It definitely has more presence and I think will be more versatile for all styles of music then the CP5. One thing that stood out for me was the sustain of the CFX....nice ! I'd have to have it next to the newest offerings from Nord ; Fazioli, Bright Grand & Bosendorfer, but I feel the detail was right there with anything from Nord. The S6 sounded much better then the CP5 as well.

Also in typical Yamaha fashion, you had a very even and responsive sound to action connection in all registers up and down the keyboard.

The action was heavier then the CP5 but again very responsive. It just felt *right*. This along with the even sound is something I've greatly missed the past year and a half.. wink

As much as I sang the praises of the CF Grand on the CP5, in louder rock situations, unless you used the Rock Bright Grand, I felt CF piano could take on an almost Roland-sque character. For me that's where things become too transparent and can be a little too *floaty* or vague in the mix (with the bass & drums), at louder volumes. This is my personal take on it so fwiw of course. I thought the CP5 was best at low volume, intimate Jazz quartet, trio, duo (acoustic bass/piano backing vocalist) contexts. Which was cool because that's basically what I do or try to do most often. cool Again I think the new CFX sample will be great for that in addition to louder rock scenarios.

Excellent build quality, no wall wart and holes on the front for the CP music rest. And the little bit I heard, when one speaker was disconnected for the infamous *mono mode*, didn't make me cringe.

Again, I only had a short time on it but first impressions were--what's not to like ? I'm pretty sure I'll be getting one when they become available.


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#2525238 - 09/07/13 10:33 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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The reduction in weight came from other areas including the overall size of the design itself. [/quote]

It's just getting better and better!

And also must say, it was about time .....
very excited about this

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#2525239 - 09/07/13 10:37 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Nicky]
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Originally Posted By: Nicky
internal or external power supply on the CP4? control pedal input?
thanks
Originally Posted By: Nicky
internal or external power supply on the CP4? control pedal input?
thanks


Standard AC cable with internal Power Supply on the CP4 , the CP40 uses a PA150 AC adaptor. 2 foot switches (Sustain and Assignable) on both and they both come with an FC3 continuous control pedal for half dampering.

There are two control pedal inputs on the CP4 and one on the CP40.

The CP4 also has balanced XLR outputs so there is no need for external direct boxes Forgot to mention that and someone did ask.
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#2525240 - 09/07/13 10:42 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
Actually, the Graded NW action is now the same design as used on our hi end Clavinova's

The high end Clavinovas have a three sensor design. Any chance that has made it down to the CP as well?


This. I'd be very interested to know if Yamaha finally started putting triple sensors in stage pianos.

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#2525245 - 09/07/13 10:55 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: allan_evett]
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Welcome home Athan.
Thanks for stepping in and getting the KC up to snuff on the details. I'm sorry for the small part I may have played in making you guys reconsider your release date, but in the end, I suspect you have a winner here and all will be forgotten as sales climb. smile

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#2525247 - 09/07/13 11:02 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Hello Athan,

thanks for your responses here in the forum, great !

Just one question:
Will there be a CP4(00) with internal speakers like the CP300 ?

Would be great.....

kind regards
Markus
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#2525250 - 09/07/13 11:14 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 [Re: Athan Billias]
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Originally Posted By: Athan Billias
Originally Posted By: Nicky
internal or external power supply on the CP4? control pedal input?
thanks
Standard AC cable with internal Power Supply on the CP4
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the CP40 uses a PA150 AC adaptor.
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