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#2503903 - 06/19/13 02:01 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: learjeff]
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Originally Posted By: learjeff
I assume we'll be able to program patches, including stereo bypass. That'd be great, because it means we could use it with (say) an Electro, and when we change patches it goes to bypass mode or a particular leslie sim setup, based on the program we select on the NE.

That would be a big advantage over the vent, for me.


Very good point. It sure sounds like you can:

"you can call the True Stereo BYPASS via the foot pedal or by sending a MIDI Control Change event, or you can even save a preset with the Bypass engaged and recall it via MIDI Program Change. There are 32 presets but you can map them to any one of the 127 Program Change numbers. "

Busch.

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#2503905 - 06/19/13 02:04 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: TKN]
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Guido just told me on Facebook that VB3 v.2 is up next!
Looking forward to it. thu VB3 is the only plugin I have that still needs that 32-bit bridge thingy....

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#2503911 - 06/19/13 02:20 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Marzzz]
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Also, since the PSU is 12vDC, most likely the tube is running in the defacto "starved plate" mode of most modern tube gear. Starved plate does not sound anything like full plate voltage.

That said, it could sound really good. The Leslie 3300 is a starved plate design too and I like that overdrive with a 12AT7 in place of the 12AX7.

Guido, send me a review unit. smile
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#2503927 - 06/19/13 03:20 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Midi functionality puts it in a whole new category for studio use. Some of us prefer recording midi, rather than audio, and then rendering the audio when the production is finished. With this new box, we can get zero latency for tracking with a hardware sound module, and then use the box - or not - for the final mix. Finally, (or in a month) I'll have a workaround if the Galileo iPad organ doesn't pan out.

(Suddenly, my old EMU B3 and Voce DM64 rack modules are viable again! They're both configurable with no leslie effect. The raw B3 tones those units produce are actually pretty decent - at least to a non-purist like me.)

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#2504025 - 06/19/13 09:18 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: uncledunc]
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If you've hooked up your Vent to an SK via the 8-pin Leslie output, then you already have midi control over the Leslie speed, so you can record to midi and render it later. It'd be great to have that in the box though.
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#2504027 - 06/19/13 09:21 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: John Tweed]
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If the overdrive is suitably phenomenal it make my Kronos Wurli sound good, that would be enough to twist my arm into getting one of these.
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#2504030 - 06/19/13 09:32 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: J. Dan]
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Price? This will be interesting....
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#2504077 - 06/20/13 05:58 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Hammonddave]
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I'm fed up with wires everywhere - about time people built the bloody PSU in.............
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#2504116 - 06/20/13 07:38 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Losendoskeys, built-in PSU means additional regulatory compliance testing for each market, and thus significantly increased R&D cost for small-production-run units.
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#2504118 - 06/20/13 07:46 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: WesG]
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And who's going to buy one 'sight unseen' (or should I say ear unheard)?
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#2504123 - 06/20/13 07:57 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
Losendoskeys, built-in PSU means additional regulatory compliance testing for each market, and thus significantly increased R&D cost for small-production-run units.


There's no excuse for Hammond, Roland, Neo etc though is there?
I just hate wal-warts mad
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#2504124 - 06/20/13 07:58 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
Losendoskeys, built-in PSU means additional regulatory compliance testing for each market, and thus significantly increased R&D cost for small-production-run units.
not just the R&D cost, but in order to pass all those tests, they may have to alter the product in such a way that it becomes more expensive to manufacture as well. It also may mean making different versions for different international markets. It also makes the device larger. Also the close proximity of AC to the other electronics can create other design issues in terms of hum/noise. External PSU saves costs in a variety of ways.


Edited by AnotherScott (06/20/13 08:01 AM)

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#2504133 - 06/20/13 08:12 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
External PSU saves costs in a variety of ways.


Does not mean we have to like it! Grrrrrrrr....
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#2504140 - 06/20/13 08:31 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
Losendoskeys, built-in PSU means additional regulatory compliance testing for each market, and thus significantly increased R&D cost for small-production-run units.
not just the R&D cost, but in order to pass all those tests, they may have to alter the product in such a way that it becomes more expensive to manufacture as well. It also may mean making different versions for different international markets. It also makes the device larger. Also the close proximity of AC to the other electronics can create other design issues in terms of hum/noise. External PSU saves costs in a variety of ways.


I trained as an electronics engineer so I know - it's lazy design and dump the problem on the user............
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#2504154 - 06/20/13 08:55 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Losendoskeys]
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#2504228 - 06/20/13 11:35 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Bif_]
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Originally Posted By: Bif_
And who's going to buy one 'sight unseen' (or should I say ear unheard)?


I am. smile Whether or not the leslie, or the overdrive is "perfect" doesn't matter. What matters is, it'll be another midi-controllable tool to use in my studio to make music production more fun.

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#2504237 - 06/20/13 11:47 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: uncledunc]
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Originally Posted By: uncledunc
Originally Posted By: Bif_
And who's going to buy one 'sight unseen' (or should I say ear unheard)?


I am. smile Whether or not the leslie, or the overdrive is "perfect" doesn't matter. What matters is, it'll be another midi-controllable tool to use in my studio to make music production more fun.

Can't wait to hear your opinion! Keep us posted.
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#2504246 - 06/20/13 12:03 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Bif_]
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I would. I bought the Ventilator sight unheard when it was first released.
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#2504505 - 06/21/13 07:20 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: tonysounds]
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Hello everybody, Guido here. I read this thread yesterday but I was too much busy to chime in. Let me say that I am very excited for this new product, I've been working on it since last December, the first prototype was completely hand built by me on a veroboard with traditional thru-hole components, I spent so much time in experimenting with every single part of the circuit and I put much effort in the software programming, which is in part still to be completed.

I have just published a few audio examples, just organ chords showing the rotary effects go back and forth between slow and fast. As soon as I receive the first completed unit I will post some videos showing how it works and sounds.

There are 9 different rotary algorithms, among them one is mono, one is split (for bass on left and treble on right channel), and one is the RA200 guitar amp. Plus there are two static amps with digital distortion, two effects dedicated to electric piano, and two algorithms with just the reverb.

Each Rotary effect can have up to 17 parameters: tube on/off, gain and level, balance, horn slow and fast speeds, horn ramp up and down times, same for the bass rotor, horn tone, plus reverb length, tone and level. The speed and the bypass status can be saved in presets.

My idea was to make it not only an audio effect but also a useful tool for a keyboard or guitar setup. For example, you have a Nord Stage for all of your sounds and wish to use the Burn for adding the rotary effect to the NS' organ and phaser to electric pianos. Well, you can create presets that recall the desired effects, and when you don't need them, you can create other presets that automatically activate the bypass. Or if you want to mute the NS and use it as a master keyboard for a cascaded MIDI module, there's a "MUTE" algorithm that will completely mute the outputs. Or else, if you with to use the left channel for just the tube sound, there's a "PASS-THRU" effect, and the two reverb effects can be either stereo-thru or mono-mix (L and R inputs are merged together).

There's so much stuff in it... there's even a "Midi Learn" function similar to that of the plugins smile

I can't wait to receive my first unit grin
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#2504508 - 06/21/13 07:26 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: ZioGuido]
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#2504551 - 06/21/13 09:31 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: tonysounds]
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Audio demos sound great. This is one of the more exciting products that has come out in a while. Can't wait.
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#2504759 - 06/21/13 08:20 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: ZioGuido]
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Originally Posted By: ZioGuido
two effects dedicated to electric piano


You're speaking my language!

Some of you guys may remember over dinner at the Midwest KC hang I was asking if the Vent overdrive would improve my Kronos Wurli enough to justify the purchase (along with the Leslie for the CX3 engine, of course). The consensus for my specific situation was that it wasn't justified. This may be a different story! I'm very interested!
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#2505216 - 06/23/13 08:58 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: J. Dan]
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Very nice feature set indeed. Many useful funktions.

BUT after listening to the audio files........ouch.......

reminds me of my old rotosphere or Korg G4.
:-(

Not in the same league as the vent, and Vent2 is coming soon.....
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#2505240 - 06/23/13 10:25 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: M_G]
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This could turn into the battle of the Guidos.

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#2505242 - 06/23/13 10:27 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: burningbusch]
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#2505262 - 06/23/13 11:29 AM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Synthoid]
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Sounds pretty damn good to me... Now don't screw up the price...

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#2505270 - 06/23/13 12:03 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Hammonddave]
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I thought the audio clips sounded pretty good too..
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#2505273 - 06/23/13 12:14 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Craig MacDonald]
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His audio samples have too much reverb for my taste but i'm sure that can be completely removed or lightened. I particularly like the low rotor sim, its ramp sounds almost identical to my 122, the upper rotor sim is not quite as good in comparison to the low rotor sim (IMO).
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#2505311 - 06/23/13 03:26 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Delaware Dave]
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MIDI control could make it a Vent Killer!

Imagine being able to control the speed from the expression wheel... or have different amounts of distortion for different songs already preset and available from your controller... Or not having to mount the damn thing on top of your controller or clone...
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#2505337 - 06/23/13 05:59 PM Re: BURN - Programmable Rotary Simulator (from GSi) [Re: Synthoid]
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Synthoid, you are NEVER at a loss for visuals !
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