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Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: mate stubb] #2506204 06/26/13 03:52 PM
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A month or so ago while talking shop with another working keyboard player I mentioned my interest in the PX5S. He's been around about as long as I have,yet his response was "Yeah,but do you really want an instrument that says Casio on it?" I said I didn't care what name was printed on it as long as it sounded great, played really nicely and was made by a company big enough to have a strong network of sales,repair and support. The guy with whom i was speaking is a smart guy and a fine player and his irrational bias was surprising.

Remember when Moog and Arp were the big guns and along came instruments with nerdy names like Roland and Korg? Oh wait...Those are what he plays. Yeah,me too. Just because Casio made some great watches ,cell phones and toy keyboards,etc. doesn't put them out of the running in the pro keyboard market. However,it does seem that the Privia name was originally a hedge against the aforementioned bias. Meanwhile,I'm enjoying the hell out of my PX5S.

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It's interesting that this bias still exists. As a demonstrator from 1980-1984 and Product Manager from 1984-1988 I faced this bias BIG TIME. People love the CZ and other products but back when we were selling them it was hard to be taken seriously. But Casio has upped their game for the last 5-8 years now, and I would think the toy image had really subsided. Go figure...

Once I start playing no one scoffs at my PX5S...(for the sound quality, not my playing!) and the other keyboard players around take a listen, lift up one end and are sold.

Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: jerrythek] #2506249 06/26/13 06:44 PM
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I do remember the CZ series raising a few eyebrows. But, i seem to remember that later models like the FZ and VZ series were welcomed with a little less skepticism among musicians.

Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: Pa Gherkin] #2506252 06/26/13 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pa Gherkin
..."Yeah,but do you really want an instrument that says Casio on it?"


What do you think they invented duct tape for?

Seriously, I don't give a damn what the name is... If it sounds good, it sounds good... period!


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Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: HammondDave] #2506255 06/26/13 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hammonddave
...What do you think they invented duct tape for?...


I've got black gaffer tape across the "Nord" logo on my electro 3. Nothing against Nord, I just think it looks better that way. You don't see logos a foot wide on the front of guitars. Why should they be on the front (the side the audience looks at) of keyboards? If they want endorsers to advertise their products, great. Give the endorsers the ones with the logos on them.

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Originally Posted By: uncledunc
You don't see logos a foot wide on the front of guitars.
*cough* Amplifiers and kick drums. *cough*


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Originally Posted By: uncledunc
You don't see logos a foot wide on the front of guitars.




Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: Joe Muscara] #2506260 06/26/13 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
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You don't see logos a foot wide on the front of guitars.
*cough* Amplifiers and kick drums. *cough*


"a foot wide" is the key. Every company puts their name on their gear. Only keyboards have them in huge white lettering that can still be seen on the darkest stages. Granted, we're so used to seeing advertising everywhere, we don't even notice. I think it's tacky, unless it's the band name. At least then you're in control of the advertising associated with your image.

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Originally Posted By: uncledunc

"a foot wide" is the key.


Well, I guess you're very happy then the Casio & Privia logos are less than a foot wide and Privia is black.

But, I like seeing the kybd logos that real pros use. (no offense intended!!)

oh, and I get way more conversation starters about my E3 than the PX-5

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Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: t9cstudio] #2506266 06/26/13 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: t9cstudio
Originally Posted By: uncledunc

"a foot wide" is the key.


Well, I guess you're very happy then the Casio & Privia logos are less than a foot wide and Privia is black.

But, I like seeing the kybd logos that real pros use. (no offense intended!!)

oh, and I get way more conversation starters about my E3 than the PX-5


They just need to make a PX-5SRD smile

Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: ABECK] #2506269 06/26/13 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
I do remember the CZ series raising a few eyebrows. But, i seem to remember that later models like the FZ and VZ series were welcomed with a little less skepticism among musicians.


FZ, perhaps. VZ was dead on arrival, unfortunately. It came out and then in quick succession the D-50 and M1 came out. A fully digital synth with no onboard effects didn't have a chance.

The AZ-1 was possibly the best controller/keytar of its generation and we couldn't give them away.

I'm not saying it was only the brand name, but the "toy/department store" image was hard to escape.

Anyway - how about that PX5S?
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Originally Posted By: jerrythek


Anyway - how about that PX5S?
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Ah yes the PX-5S. Thanks for knocking back on track, Jerry! blush

Another preset demo! I made this recording today from the Rainy Dayz Stage Setting. I really went to town with the sliders so you can hear they effect the timber.

https://soundcloud.com/keyz2401/coastal-rain


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Originally Posted By: uncledunc
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You don't see logos a foot wide on the front of guitars.
*cough* Amplifiers and kick drums. *cough*


"a foot wide" is the key. Every company puts their name on their gear. Only keyboards have them in huge white lettering that can still be seen on the darkest stages.



vs.



(Sorry to continue this guys. It's a peeve of mine. smile )


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Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: Joe Muscara] #2506294 06/26/13 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara

(Sorry to continue this guys. It's a peeve of mine. smile )


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Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: DulceLabs.com] #2506303 06/26/13 09:53 PM
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Okay, I was wrong about Marshall amps and Ludwig drums, but I still don't recall seeing huge logos on guitars, even though there's plenty of room for them on the guitar body. I do know that if I had the PX-5s as the bottom tier, and my electro 3 with the blacked-out logo as the 2nd tier, I'd black out "casio" so they both matched. cool

The good thing about the PX-5s is that the white finish would lend itself to a custom paint job (thinking about the custom-painted Nord I saw in another thread.) I'm sure it won't be long before we see a paisley patterned PX-5s in a jam band, or a camo one on the Outlaw Country circuit.

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I might go for some vinyl covering if I didn't like it as.


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You can buy stick on vinyl in different colors. That is used on racing bike number plates, so it works well. Logo's don't bother me but I will cover them if required by contract. Don

Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: b3maniac] #2506477 06/27/13 12:05 PM
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I don't mind the lettering either, but this is one I would probably cover up:

Re: New PX-5S owners...Please Post Reviews Here [Re: DulceLabs.com] #2506510 06/27/13 01:25 PM
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Awww the kitten. purrr.

Ok. How long are brand new alkaline batteries supposed to last in the PX-5S. I bought pack of Rayovacs from wally world and I'm pretty sure I only got little more than an hour out of them before the low battery warning popped up. IDK I didn't time it but they sure seemed quick to die.



As far as the brand name thing on keyboards. I would be proud to go on any stage with a keyboard that reads CASIO boldly. I would love to see the jaws drop when they hear what the "toy" keyboard guys can do. But I'm no pro so I can't. frown

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Well, if some don't get a PX-5S due to the Casio branding, that's fine for me. I want this to be the secret weapon of choice for cool sounds.

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Ok. How long are brand new alkaline batteries supposed to last in the PX-5S. I bought pack of Rayovacs from wally world and I'm pretty sure I only got little more than an hour out of them before the low battery warning popped up. IDK I didn't time it but they sure seemed quick to die.



Hi Brad - the spec sheet says approx. 3 hours using alkaline batteries.

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Originally Posted By: Ekewaka
Well, if some don't get a PX-5S due to the Casio branding, that's fine for me. I want this to be the secret weapon of choice for cool sounds.


This is actually a good thing. You want them to come in expecting less. When they hear it, they go "wow!!!". There are many bands I've seen with Rolands, Yamahas, Korgs in their rigs and I come in expecting the "holy grail" of soundage.. only to hear far less.


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"the spec sheet says approx. 3 hours using alkaline batteries"

I'll have to time my next 8 batteries. It was a 16 pack that I bought. If they don't last 3 hours then Wal-Mart will get a pack of batteries back.

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I've been spending all week programming mine for my praise and worship team.

To me, the PX-5s is a rather unusual combination of cutting edge technology mixed in with outdated features that most manufacturers abandoned 20 years ago.

The fully assignable knobs and sliders are simply brilliant - no more "you can do this, but you can't do that" limitations that other brands have given me. The ability to reach across zonal lines and freely mix different components in separate hexes has opened up incredible sonic possibilities for me.

OTOH you've got envelopes whose parameters are spread across several pages, don't update in real time (so you can hear your edits), and have absolutely no graphic representation to help you out either. I don't think I've run into anything quite like this since the DX7. It would be a daunting challenge (to say the least) for anyone who hasn't had years of experience programming romplers to try to set an envelope from scratch in a hex layer. And there are other things of a similar nature scattered throughout this keyboard.

Like many, I thought the action was a bit too heavy to the touch at first. What I discovered was that the action itself is fine. The sounds are just programmed for a heavy hand. Unlike my older Studiologic controller (which this is replacing in the church) the PX-5s action responds very accurately to light velocities, so for me it was just a matter of programming my sounds to take advantage of that.

Once I spliced a kind of patch layer between A4 and E5 to the grand piano, smoothed out the first 1/4 second or so of the attack bump, and added some highs (seems to be on everyone's to do list) I like the main piano sound lot. The bottom half of the piano is especially strong. If anyone's interested, I may post my take on the PX-5s piano after I'm done tweaking it and if I get brave enough laugh

The looks of the piano don't bother me at all. And we're definitely good with it's form factor and weight smile All in all, I'm extremely happy with this purchase. It's a very unique product whose features were exactly what I was looking for.

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Originally Posted By: Bill H.
If anyone's interested, I may post my take on the PX-5s piano after I'm done tweaking it and if I get brave enough laugh



Thanks, Bill.. I'm interested - If you don't mind sharing your sound, could you please upload the file to the casiomusicforums.com DL area?

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Hi Bill,

Just for clarification purposes, I'll add my $.02.
The architecture of a Hex-Layer is actually not much different at all from a six layer program on a Kurzweil product. When you in any editing screen (filter, envelope...etc) the buttons just to the bottom left of the display allow you to move between the six layers. Unlike a Kurzweil you can make changes to all six layers at once.

The envelopes themselves are actually quite powerful with their multiple stages for each section (pitch, filter, amp) The Editor does provide graphic representation of the envelopes, taking a look at how these appear on screen might help you get a better grasp of the instrument.

Looks like a good topic for the next online clinic.

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Hi Mike,

If there's graphic representation for the envelopes in the editor, that will be a big help. I must admit that I downloaded it, looked it over, but haven't actually used it. I must have missed them or else I would have been using it all along.

Yes the envelopes are very good. For anyone else who goes into it this deeply, Decay Level 3 is your sustain. I wish there were a number or two between 0 and 1. It's quite a jump.

Mike what does Release 2 time do? Can't figure it out... smirk

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Originally Posted By: Keyz2401
Originally Posted By: Bill H.
If anyone's interested, I may post my take on the PX-5s piano after I'm done tweaking it and if I get brave enough laugh



Thanks, Bill.. I'm interested - If you don't mind sharing your sound, could you please upload the file to the casiomusicforums.com DL area?


I'll probably tweak it a few times more, then sure smile I only get to play mine in public once a week, which is my test for my edits. I want to give it a couple of more times.

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Unlike a Kurzweil you can make changes to all six layers at once.


Interesting !
Are the changes relative to the different parameter settings already stored for each layer ?
As an example, lets say one decides to change the cutoff frequency for ALL layers and these have different cutoff frequency offsets (each layer), will that "global" parameter change affect each layer in a relative way ?
That would be really cool if it does, also for envelope times changes (ADSR).

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

The envelopes themselves are actually quite powerful with their multiple stages for each section (pitch, filter, amp) The Editor does provide graphic representation of the envelopes, taking a look at how these appear on screen might help you get a better grasp of the instrument.

Looks like a good topic for the next online clinic.


Yes !

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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Unlike a Kurzweil you can make changes to all six layers at once.


Interesting !
Are the changes relative to the different parameter settings already stored for each layer ?
As an example, lets say one decides to change the cutoff frequency for ALL layers and these have different cutoff frequency offsets (each layer), will that "global" parameter change affect each layer in a relative way ?
That would be really cool if it does, also for envelope times changes (ADSR).


When you select "All" in Layer edit, edits are absolute.
The parameter on the screen is reflected in all six layers - including envelope times and levels.

Mike can correct me if I'm wrong, but when you edit a (much simpler) tone envelope, your changes are offsets. The numbers go in positive or negative directions.

I think I've figured out what Release 2 time is (two release speeds separated by a break point?) I've just never encountered it before. I've never owned a Kurzweil so some of this is new to me. I've always been a Roland and Yamaha guy.

An envelope clinic would be most helpful Mike. There are some idiosyncrasies to these envelopes that I'm still trying to figure out. For example, when I set two decay levels to the same number, the number in the time parameter between them doesn't seem to make any difference. On a Roland, you can get an envelope to "hang" for a bit when doing that, and the hang time is set by adjusting that number.

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