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#2917886 - 03/28/18 04:49 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
Nils_O Offline
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Originally Posted By: franky46
Hello

@ Nils: tested it but it does not work, SysEx "02 0k 02 00 00 01 VINTAGE ORGAN SET" is not recognized.

@ all : there's a new release v1.12(6) in the making which adds:
UPG-Editor: change damper and expression pedal assignments for each registration and save to upg-file
UPG-Editor: show all sounds (patches) for avselected registration
D-BEAM conrol
Master fine tune

ANY WISHES ???




One idea could have been to make a virtual registration memory with a couple of registrations buttons on PC screen perhaps 8. Then you could possibly have an unlimited number of registration files with 8 registrations to recall on PC and then when pressing a registration button the PC should set up the intrument.
But that might be tricky and perhaps no wishes for it.

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#2917900 - 03/28/18 06:32 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Nils_O]
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Doesn't the VR:s have the possibillity to add som sustain to the organ bass? This is a normal feature of Hammond clones but can't find it anywhere here. Is this important feature missing?

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#2917933 - 03/29/18 05:03 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Nils_O]
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Ciao Franky

please explain me why working with CTRLR and your panel we do not have any *.dat file in USB pen.

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#2917959 - 03/29/18 06:37 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Nils_O]
franky46 Offline
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Hi Nils,

Originally Posted By: Nils_O
Doesn't the VR:s have the possibillity to add som sustain to the organ bass?

unfortunately it does not work. Just tried to add some General-Midi Sustain/Hold to the bass, sustain has no effect and hold switches the note to endless smile

Originally Posted By: Nils_O

One idea could have been to make a virtual registration memory with a couple of registrations buttons on PC screen perhaps 8. Then you could possibly have an unlimited number of registration files with 8 registrations to recall on PC and then when pressing a registration button the PC should set up the intrument.
But that might be tricky and perhaps no wishes for it.


yeah, this is already on the 'maybe on day' list smile
It's not complicated but very time consuming as we have to completely decrypt the binary UPG-file: change VR controllers one by one, save the registration, export it to the upg-file, switch the usb-stick to the pc, compare which byte or - very annoying - combination of bytes has changed :: da capo :: - - - that's what we did to get the registration- and soundnames but this was 10 out of 100(?) controllers smile



Edited by franky46 (03/29/18 06:38 AM)

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#2917963 - 03/29/18 06:54 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Piattica]
franky46 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Piattica
Ciao Franky

please explain me why working with CTRLR and your panel we do not have any *.dat file in USB pen.

Happy Easter to all the readers.


the VR only saves a .dat file when:
- you apply 'deep synthesis' (SYNTHESIZER on ipad or Editor) to a sound
- then save this sound to a registration
- then save the registration set to usb.

As long as you do no 'deep synthesis', the VR does not save a .dat file.
To get a .dat file of the 'firmware' registrations, reset the VR (master reset), select a registration with 'synthesiable' sound (the red arrows point to the SEL-buttons), then change one SYNTH-parameter, save the registration, then save the whole registration set to usb. There should now be a dat-file. Delete it.
Change the SYNTH-parameter back, save this registation again and the whole registration set to usb. A new dat-file should be there, this time with the 'original' firmware settings.

Please do not ask me to decrypt the .dat file smile

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#2919185 - 04/04/18 11:37 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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With a minor delay smile :

EDITOR v1.12(6) feature update

http://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor

+ new colour design
+ master fine tune
+ midi-reset/reconnect
+ D-BEAM
+ damper and expression pedal setting for UPG-registrations
+ registration list text export
+ lots of bugfixes and (internal) improvements
+ tutorials in html (a bit nicer than the old hard core ascii)

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#2919293 - 04/05/18 02:55 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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EGGcellent! Thank you so much! smile
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#2919874 - 04/07/18 09:03 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Vidarf]
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Hello. I'm really interested in VR-09 as far as i need versatile keyboard but it had poor midi implementation. I'm completely noob in soft stuff but i need to figure out whether VR Editor allows more control to midi like sliders and other controllers0. Can you help me, is it true? Thanks.


Edited by M3llpak (04/07/18 02:07 PM)

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#2920558 - 04/10/18 10:27 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: M3llpak]
franky46 Offline
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Originally Posted By: M3llpak
midi implementation

could you explain more in detail what you'd expect from the midi implementation? Use cases?

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#2921939 - 04/17/18 12:53 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Originally Posted By: franky46
Originally Posted By: M3llpak
midi implementation

could you explain more in detail what you'd expect from the midi implementation? Use cases?


I mean, being able to use sliders, and buttons and so on for, for example, in VST. Because as i understand you can use for midi aimes only keys and pedals. Correct me

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#2922542 - 04/20/18 11:27 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: M3llpak]
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Originally Posted By: M3llpak

I mean, being able to use sliders, and buttons and so on for, for example, in VST. Because as i understand you can use for midi aimes only keys and pedals. Correct me


you can control (nearly) everything with sysEx. Also from VST.
take a look here: this is all with sysEx: ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor. BTW the Editor app also runs as VST.


Announcements EDITOR feature update v.1127 (soon to come): "GAIA + Hammond + quality"

- Hammond style 2nd drawbar set + registrations
- Synthesizer: BIG upgrade: the synthesizer (surprise surprise - defacto a Roland SH-01 Gaia) gets its own registration (128x8 banks + 6 favorites), so no need to overwrite the build-in VR-sounds any more
- quality : I think v1126 was so lala , v1127 will be fully tested






Edited by franky46 (04/20/18 11:28 AM)

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#2922631 - 04/20/18 09:15 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Wow and WOW again. Okay franky46, you've caused me to actually start seeking a laptop. I'm a hardware guy that has mostly avoided the VST universe (except for my not-so-secret iPad addiction). Your coding for this instrument is simply mind blowing. Did I say "WOW"?
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#2922640 - 04/21/18 03:33 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
Wow and WOW again. Okay franky46, you've caused me to actually start seeking a laptop. I'm a hardware guy that has mostly avoided the VST universe (except for my not-so-secret iPad addiction). Your coding for this instrument is simply mind blowing. Did I say "WOW"?


+1

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#2922651 - 04/21/18 06:32 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: brenner13]
franky46 Offline
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
Wow and WOW again. Okay franky46, you've caused me to actually start seeking a laptop. I'm a hardware guy that has mostly avoided the VST universe (except for my not-so-secret iPad addiction). Your coding for this instrument is simply mind blowing. Did I say "WOW"?


thanks for the nice words, it's my pleasure.
as for the laptop, I deny any responsibility for lethal hard attacks caused by Microsoft products smile

No, I'm joking, since Win7 the MS-OS is very very usable (this from a unix adept...)
A convertible/2-1 like the Windows Surface with separable screen and keyboard can be used as tablet on top of a instrument.
There are a lot of models in every price and performance range, e.g. I'm using a low spec HP-X2 (that was originally bought for motorcycle journeys http://forums.musicplayer.com/images/icons/default/grin.gif) , for the VR editor it's ok but for displaying notes the screen size is - - small. The Germans gave a tip named Chuwi HI13 with a hi res 13.5" screen.




Edited by franky46 (04/21/18 06:42 AM)

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#2923396 - 04/25/18 04:28 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Incredible work with the editor. Anyone thinking about getting one of the other gig boards needs to consider this too. Iím hoping there will be some sysex for hidden additional effects parameters!

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#2924180 - 04/30/18 05:01 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Baggypants]
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Have a Roland vr09, has anyone been able to find of adapt / install a waltz rhythm, I haven't been able to find one on the Roland....

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#2924207 - 04/30/18 06:56 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Deadly]
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Originally Posted By: Deadly
Have a Roland vr09, has anyone been able to find of adapt / install a waltz rhythm, I haven't been able to find one on the Roland....


you cannot install on the VR, but play a midi rhythm file (search www) on the usb-stick

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#2924209 - 04/30/18 07:04 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Here we are, EDITOR v1.12(7) released

what's new: https://youtu.be/rsxdXnjkwBE

- EDITOR registration independent from VR-Keyboard, where you can save deep-synth patches without overwriting the original VR-sounds
- SYNTHESIZER: (Roland SH-01 Gaia clone) : improved optics, partials multi-select
- Hammond style 2nd drawbar set + presets
- hopefully less bugs than in v1.126
- for other changes see README and Docu in zip-download file

download: ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor




Edited by franky46 (04/30/18 07:06 AM)

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#2924322 - 04/30/18 02:51 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Many thanks, I'll try to search for a midi rythym file for waltz...

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#2924677 - 05/02/18 03:59 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Hi Franky46
I haven't been able to find a waltz rhythm midi file from my searching, probably don't know where to look...can you offer any suggestions on where I might find such a file
Regards
Deadly

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#2925176 - 05/04/18 03:31 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Deadly]
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Originally Posted By: Deadly
Hi Franky46
I haven't been able to find a waltz rhythm midi file from my searching, probably don't know where to look...can you offer any suggestions on where I might find such a file
Regards
Deadly


Instead of a MIDI file, if you have the latest 1.12 firmware, you could load a short waltz wav into the looper from a USB stick. It won't synchronise with the tempo, but that's what the tap tempo button is for.

I've grabbed a few things from these sites in the past:

https://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

https://www.looperman.com/

https://freesound.org/

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#2925318 - 05/05/18 02:08 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Deadly]
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the idea of the looper (loading an audio file or recording your own rhythm on the drum pad sets) is a gread idea smile


OR download a 3/4 on net: http://midieditor.sourceforge.net/index.php?category=intro
+ use a simple midi editor like this: http://midieditor.sourceforge.net/index.php?category=intro
to delete the 'instrument channels' in the midi file.
a video howto use the editor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yYM8kKpjsI

OR use the midi-editor to compose our own basic 3/4 pattern in 5 minutes or spend more time to compose en entire drum track with variations, breaks etc.

OR playing the drumsets of the VR09 and record a 3/4-pattern as midi-file (see VR manual), then use the midi-editor to replicate the pattern to create a ... 10 min. 'song'

OR use a rhythm tool like this : http://mididrum.en.softonic.com

OR... use a more sophisticated midi editor like (free) Anvil studio with a dedicated 'rhythm track composer'

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#2929499 - 05/26/18 01:31 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Oh my god. Updating the firmware on my VR-09 is one of the best things I've done this year. So many awesome new features: wired access to the iPad editor, improved organ functionality, a looper metronome AND the ability to fly in WAV samples into the looper. I'm falling in love with this board all over again.
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#2929502 - 05/26/18 02:00 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Originally Posted By: franky46
Here we are, EDITOR v1.12(7) released

what's new: https://youtu.be/rsxdXnjkwBE

- EDITOR registration independent from VR-Keyboard, where you can save deep-synth patches without overwriting the original VR-sounds
- SYNTHESIZER: (Roland SH-01 Gaia clone) : improved optics, partials multi-select
- Hammond style 2nd drawbar set + presets
- hopefully less bugs than in v1.126
- for other changes see README and Docu in zip-download file

download: ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor




Franky, this is INSANE. I downloaded it and can't wait to put it through its paces.

I'm having one problem. I can get the editor to recognize my control changes from the VR, but I can't the synth to respond to changes from the editor. I think I have everything set properly, but I'm not sure. HELP?


Edited by Dreamchilde (05/26/18 02:00 PM)
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#2929505 - 05/26/18 02:30 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamchilde
Originally Posted By: franky46
Here we are, EDITOR v1.12(7) released

what's new: https://youtu.be/rsxdXnjkwBE

- EDITOR registration independent from VR-Keyboard, where you can save deep-synth patches without overwriting the original VR-sounds
- SYNTHESIZER: (Roland SH-01 Gaia clone) : improved optics, partials multi-select
- Hammond style 2nd drawbar set + presets
- hopefully less bugs than in v1.126
- for other changes see README and Docu in zip-download file

download: ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor




Franky, this is INSANE. I downloaded it and can't wait to put it through its paces.

I'm having one problem. I can get the editor to recognize my control changes from the VR, but I can't the synth to respond to changes from the editor. I think I have everything set properly, but I'm not sure. HELP?


Disregard (kind of). I was able to get the standalone version to sync up, but the CTRL version is not giving me a two-way connect.
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#2929709 - 05/28/18 10:56 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamchilde


Disregard (kind of). I was able to get the standalone version to sync up, but the CTRL version is not giving me a two-way connect.


hello Dreamchilde,
which version of CTRLR did you install?
Franky

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#2929874 - 05/29/18 09:38 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Originally Posted By: franky46
Originally Posted By: Dreamchilde


Disregard (kind of). I was able to get the standalone version to sync up, but the CTRL version is not giving me a two-way connect.


hello Dreamchilde,
which version of CTRLR did you install?
Franky


Ctrlr-5.5.2.exe
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#2929880 - 05/29/18 09:54 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: franky46]
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Stupid question might be, but i need to get an answer. Is there any sense to buy Roland VR-09 with Editor for MIDI or simply get AKAI MPK261?


Edited by M3llpak (05/29/18 11:46 AM)

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#2929961 - 05/29/18 04:04 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamchilde


Ctrlr-5.5.2.exe


try Ctrlr-5.4.29.exe (as recommended in the install instructions for the editor)

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#2929980 - 05/29/18 06:07 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: M3llpak]
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Originally Posted By: M3llpak
Stupid question might be, but i need to get an answer. Is there any sense to buy Roland VR-09 with Editor for MIDI or simply get AKAI MPK261?

The two have little in common other than having keys. Akai has no sounds and is designed primarily to use with computer VSTs. Roland has internal sounds, and is not well designed to control VSTs (drawbars don't send MIDI CC, etc.). What is it you're trying to do?
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