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#2883595 - 10/06/17 07:20 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: xKnuckles]
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Originally Posted By: Krakked Knuckles
Originally Posted By: To B3
Posted on the Shameless Plugs, hope it's ok to post here too. My band (Smokestone, from Brazil) recorded a live studio video that features the VR-09 proeminently (organ, piano and moog bass, all costumized by me). Unfortunately the organ is prior the update, but i liked how it sounded. Hope it helps the undecided people about how this little machine can sound AWESOME.

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads...at_#Post2883095

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urn3GBoe0JA


Sounding great! smile


Thank you sir! grin
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#2883985 - 10/08/17 10:29 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: To B3]
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Does anyone know if you can add or remove Expression pedal control on a per-Registration basis ? It'd be great to be able to MIDI something like Mainstage, but only have the Expression pedal control it and leave the internal sounds on the VR-09 alone.

Does anyone know if that's possible ?

Thanks in advance !

- JT

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#2884045 - 10/09/17 08:14 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: JFoster]
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I actually just tried this on a per-registration basis...you can'
t. REALLY annoying. But if you're already in MIDI-land (I'm avoiding it), you might find that it still sends CC which you might be able to wing back to the VR09 on a per-song basis. Just a thought.
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#2884048 - 10/09/17 08:23 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: WesG]
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I picked up a hard case for my VR-09 yesterday in the gun aisle of Canadian Tire. Significantly cheaper than the equivalent Gator or SKB. I doubt that the shock protection is as good, but it's good enough IMO for non-abusive transport. I guesstimate the weight at 10-12lbs. The case is extremely rigid and might tolerate being driven over by a small trailer.

On sale this week for $99 CAD: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/huntshield-single-scoped-rifle-case-42-in-1754389p.html

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#2884050 - 10/09/17 08:31 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: WesG]
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Was wondering about this -

Plano gun case

Already have a softside case that fits well though...
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#2884069 - 10/09/17 09:33 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: WesG]
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Really too bad. Why don't they make these simple things work when releasing these boards ? Such an inconvenience when needing these capabilities, and all it is is a bit of extra code. So silly.

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#2884954 - 10/14/17 03:46 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: JFoster]
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I was able to convert my VR09 to a pretty flexible Midi controller board by using the Midi Solutions Event Processor. Admittedly the drawbar faders and knobs don't send CCs but they DO send Sysex. Not only can I now control the drawbars of any hardware or VST organ but also any synth. Nice. I am loving the VR09 more and more. For it's price this thing is second to none really.


Edited by TomKittel (10/14/17 03:46 AM)

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#2884955 - 10/14/17 03:57 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TomKittel]
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Here is kind of an easter egg for saving presets: instead of using the registrations you can save any preset to the USB stick. Just press song record then stop and save the preset as a SMF song. No need to play anything. To load the preset just reload the SMF song from the USB stick.
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#2885069 - 10/14/17 06:42 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: JFoster]
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Originally Posted By: JFoster
Really too bad. Why don't they make these simple things work when releasing these boards ? Such an inconvenience when needing these capabilities, and all it is is a bit of extra code. So silly.


In the musical instruments industry incomprehensible product decisions seem to be common practice and nobody cares.... somtimes I’m wondering what would happen to a product manager f.e. in the auto industry if he would omit standard features in a new product just at his discretion?

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#2887650 - 10/29/17 12:26 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TomKittel]
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Anyone tried the 1.12 firmware with the damper and expression pedal registration fix? I saw it a few hours before I had to fly away from my vr-09 frown


Edited by Baggypants (10/29/17 12:27 PM)

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#2887702 - 10/29/17 09:03 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Baggypants]
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What gets saved in the SMF, Tom? A bunch of sysex? That might be really helpful to me: I am trying to figure out if I can use the VR09 as a set list manager. This would be much faster than decoding the UPG file format. All I would have to do is save my registrations, then tack on PC messages that I want to send to my lower board.

Assuming SMF playback sends out the MIDI port. Anybody know?


Edited by WesG (10/29/17 09:03 PM)
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#2887705 - 10/29/17 09:34 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Baggypants]
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Originally Posted By: Baggypants
Anyone tried the 1.12 firmware with the damper and expression pedal registration fix? I saw it a few hours before I had to fly away from my vr-09 frown


Hey Baggypants - don't know the answer to your question, but thanks for posting it - I didn't realize yet another new VR09 patch has been posted.

Looks like they've improved a few things!
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Update history
[ Ver.1.12 ]

Additional Functions

It is now possible to save function settings for the damper pedal and expression pedal in each individual registration.

It is now possible to select the keyboard touch from among a 5-stage range by using the following procedure (VR-730 only:

[MENU] button - "Keyboard" category - "Key Touch"
[SUPER LIGHT]: This is lighter keyboard touch than LIGHT.
[LIGHT]: This is light keyboard touch. Fortissimo (ff) notes can be played by using less force than with MEDIUM.
[MEDIUM]: This is the standard keyboard touch.
[HEAVY]: This is heavy keyboard touch. Playing fortissimo (ff) notes requires a more forceful touch than with MEDIUM.
[SUPER HEAVY]: This is heavier keyboard touch than HEAVY.

Functionality Improvement
When the organ-tone variation is "Jazz Organ" or "Rock Organ," no vibrato or chorus is applied to percussion sounds.

Bug Fix
Minor bugs have been fixed.


Edited by roygBoo! (10/29/17 11:18 PM)

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#2887720 - 10/30/17 03:22 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: roygBiv]
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Hmmm....just read thru the release notes......does this system update v1.12 finally resolve the "vibrato/chorus being applied to the percussion" bug? Can someone please confirm this as this was definitely a bug fix that I was waiting for?
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#2887844 - 10/31/17 12:46 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Baggypants]
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Originally Posted By: Baggypants
Anyone tried the 1.12 firmware with the damper and expression pedal registration fix? I saw it a few hours before I had to fly away from my vr-09 frown

This is amazing news - and a very nice surprise - yet again... smile
Great work Roland. Thank you!!
Now if they could just add the (crucial) ability to recieve programme change messages, the VR09 would be a pretty well perfect keyboard.......

I haven't updated yet though.... Being the coward that I am, I will wait until I have heard how the braver members of the forum got on with it.......
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#2887865 - 10/31/17 06:52 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: xKnuckles]
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Posted this on the VR-09 FB group, hope it's ok to post here too...

"How do you guys manage splits on the VR09? My main sound is the organ, but I would like to have a Piano, EP or Clav on the Left Hand, to enrich the performance, as many of the songs I play would benefit from some simultaneous organ and piano/clav on some parts... Or some B3 licks here and there when playing piano, things like that

Problem is, the default sounds are too dull when compared to even the slightly tweaked RH hammond... Not only in volume, but in "life", in realism of the sound, too... If only we could adjust at least tone, overdrive and compressor on the bottom of the split (hey Roland, what about this on the next update?)... Anybody else feel this? Any ideas on how to manage this issue?"
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#2888162 - 11/01/17 01:45 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: xKnuckles]
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Installn takes a couple of minutes, seems to fix the perc and pedal registering just fine.

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#2888775 - 11/06/17 07:11 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: xKnuckles]
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Originally Posted By: Krakked Knuckles
Now if they could just add the (crucial) ability to recieve programme change messages, the VR09 would be a pretty well perfect keyboard.......


Are you sure it can't? Maybe we are not talking about the same thing, but I usually send "program change" MIDI messages to the VR-09 (I've used a PC, a MIDI Keyboard Controller and a Roland RC-3 MIDI Program Changer).
I'm not sure if it can change registrations via MIDI (I think not...), but it definitely can receive "program change" MIDI messages thu .

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#2888894 - 11/06/17 08:31 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Lloyds]
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PC messages on VR09 target the GM2 subsystem. That is not normally what people want. We want to change registrations. If we wanted GM2, we'd buy a sound canvas or something.
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#2888910 - 11/07/17 12:53 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Lloyds]
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Originally Posted By: Lloyds
Originally Posted By: Krakked Knuckles
Now if they could just add the (crucial) ability to recieve programme change messages, the VR09 would be a pretty well perfect keyboard.......


Are you sure it can't? Maybe we are not talking about the same thing, but I usually send "program change" MIDI messages to the VR-09 (I've used a PC, a MIDI Keyboard Controller and a Roland RC-3 MIDI Program Changer).
I'm not sure if it can change registrations via MIDI (I think not...), but it definitely can receive "program change" MIDI messages thu .


Hi Lloyds. You are right - we are not talking about the same thing. I want it to change registrations, which it definitely can't. (Unfortunately). frown
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#2888929 - 11/07/17 05:32 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: WesG]
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Originally Posted By: WesG
PC messages on VR09 target the GM2 subsystem. That is not normally what people want. We want to change registrations.

Yes. IIRC, Program Change is GM; registrations cannot be selected via MIDI; and there is a third scenario, being able to send Program Changes to select (non-GM) individual sounds, i.e. the same sounds you select with the (non-registration) front panel buttons, which would also be very useful and IS supported... but only via sysex, in an implementation the looked complicated to me even by sysex standards. That's a shame, because if you could easily select Upper and Lower sounds over MIDI, you'd largely be able to use that functionality (via iPad/iPhone for example) the same way you'd use registrations, and then the inability to select registrations wouldn't be half as bad.

It would be great if someone could put together a chart of which sysex strings to send in order to select any of the standard 200-ish sounds and enable them on either the upper or lower parts.
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#2890458 - 11/15/17 12:01 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Hi, I am looking for a portable keyboard with good APs and EPs not much interested in organ. I really like the EPs sounds and controls of the Yamaha Reface CP (specifically distortion, reverb and analog delay) but I don't like the mini keys and I don't want to MIDI it with a master keyboard. Can anybody compare the quality of the Reface CP electric pianos to the VR09(b)? Thanks a lot.


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#2890506 - 11/15/17 04:44 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TBee]
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Anyone notice the sustain when using AP sounds.....kind of generates a background buzzing when you hold it for awhile?

Maybe it's because I'm using a cheap Roland DP-2 pedal or it could be I'm a retard with pedal use.....

Would a proper pedal do away with this?

I use AP a lot for bed tracks, it's annoying....


Edited by Radio NWT (11/15/17 04:45 PM)

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#2890517 - 11/15/17 07:15 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Radio NWT]
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I've never heard this, but it's not your pedal. I'm using ancient DP-10s FWIW.
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#2890604 - 11/16/17 09:00 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TBee]
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Hi TBee. Welcome to the forum! Your question is a little unusual as the main selling point of the Vr09 is its excellent organ sounds, drawbars etc. I bet there is not a person here who has it and does not use the organ. I almost never use the piano sounds on it as I have a separate, weighted keyboard for that.

If you are going to be playing mainly piano and electric piano, might you want to consider getting a weighted keyboard so it feels more like a real piano to play? I am sure the VR09 piano is probably fine, but I would never choose to play piano on an unweighted keyboard.

I have never heard, nor tried a reface. Sorry I can't be of much help.
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#2890672 - 11/16/17 05:47 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
It would be great if someone could put together a chart of which sysex strings to send in order to select any of the standard 200-ish sounds and enable them on either the upper or lower parts.


Take a look at the MIDI Implementation File for VR-09. At the section 7 of this document (called 'Tone List') you will find the 'Program Change' messages for access ALL the (non-GM) individual sounds. You will need to put VR-09 'MIDI Mode' in 'Mode 2' (You'll find this in MENU->MIDI->MIDI In Mode), then send a 'MSB/LSB Bank Change' as well as the 'Program Change' message to a certain MIDI Channel, this can be easily done with most of MIDI controllers...

If you want to select tones in 'Upper' send the MSB/LSB/PC Change Message to the Upper MIDI Channel (Configured in MENU->MIDI... Default is Ch.4) and if you want it in 'Lower' send it to the Lower MIDI Channel (Default value is Ch.3).

I.E. if you want to put in 'Upper' the sound 'N.AcousticBs' (you know, this magnific Upright Bass in the bass section idea ) you will need to send the message MSB:006/LSB:000/PC:118 in Ch.4...

Take in consideration 3 important things:
1st: if the VR-09 'MIDI Mode' is in 'MODE 1', every channel will play GM2 tones, so please, ensure you've entered the 'MODE 2'...
2nd: You CAN NOT BE ABLE to select organ section in this way... only PIANO/SYNTH/DRUMS sections are accesible.
3rd: In the VR-09 OS, MSB/LSB banks go from 000 to 127, but PC goes from 1 to 128, so if your controller's OS sends PC from 000 to 127 you will need to substract "1" to the PC values in MIDI Implement tone list.

I hope it will help you thu
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#2890685 - 11/16/17 08:07 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: Lloyds]
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Thank you for posting that useful info. I was thrown off by some stuff in section 5 which made me think that tone select required sysex, and I think I stopped looking after that! Thanks for the correction. Inability to select organ is a bit of a bummer, but overall, section 7 is good news.
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#2890719 - 11/17/17 02:45 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Thank you for posting that useful info. I was thrown off by some stuff in section 5 which made me think that tone select required sysex, and I think I stopped looking after that! Thanks for the correction. Inability to select organ is a bit of a bummer, but overall, section 7 is good news.


Program change commands were also discussed earlier in this thread:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2883041/Re_Roland_V_Combo_VR_09#Post2883041

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#2890788 - 11/17/17 09:09 AM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TomKittel]
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Anyone using a HX3 module with the VR-09? My NIb4d drawbar controller and the HX3 are both set to midi channel 1.
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#2890898 - 11/17/17 04:05 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Thank you for posting that useful info. I was thrown off by some stuff in section 5 which made me think that tone select required sysex, and I think I stopped looking after that! Thanks for the correction. Inability to select organ is a bit of a bummer, but overall, section 7 is good news.


Program change commands were also discussed earlier in this thread:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2883041/Re_Roland_V_Combo_VR_09#Post2883041



Hi Tom. I didn't realise it was possible to do a link to a past post. How did you do that?
Thanks. smile
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#2898054 - 12/26/17 02:57 PM Re: Roland V-Combo VR-09 [Re: xKnuckles]
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Cheers,

did a little work to upgrade the VR Edtior App Windows version available for the (opensource) CTRLR midi-panel platform.

until I'll check it in at CTRLR, it's downloable from my website:
http://rrr.de/~franky/upload/V-Combo_1121_366_v1.12.1-GM.b14.zip

intergrated actual firmware v1.12
added sound selector for the Roland Atelier Organ sounds (~ aprox. 600)
added 'sound explorer' for the hidden accoustic + synth sounds on the keyboard-tonegenerators (serveral 100s)
added 'sound explorer' for the GM2-sounds (300 official GM2 sounds + 100s of others)
increased timbrality (up to 6 parallel voices in upper+lower manual) with respect to the pure keyboard.
boost timbrality up to 18 layered voices or 21 in total for the key using GM2-sounds
draftstyle tutorial in english and teutonic.
laptop/tablet setup example for playing GM2 sounds live

most important update: real B3-Style virtual drawbars smile
unfortunately the app does NOT make the VR sound like an organ (no illusional hopes! :))
(hmm... maybe we should think about integrating the VB3 into the app... even with the 'soundcard' of my 200 bucks Win-tablet the VB3 sounds 10x better than the VR09...)

smile












Edited by franky46 (12/26/17 02:58 PM)

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