#2451032 - 11/18/12 06:54 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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#2451092 - 11/19/12 04:22 AM
Re: Les Paul Question
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The wide variety of prices is in part down to differences in visual/cosmetic appointments like binding and finishes and the production cost, and also pickups and hardware; but it's also due to Gibson's marketing. There are those for whom a Studio or Classic will do, some who will want a Standard or a Traditional, some who will like having another famous artist's signature-model Les Paul, with TWO famous-player names on the guitar (funny that there are sig-model sig-models, huh?  ), and those who must have a "Reissue" or a "Virtual Old Stock" model, or even one with artificial aging. Some of the differences make a real difference, some of the differences are very real, and some, honestly, are largely marketing spin. When you buy a Les Paul, like a buying a Harley Davidson, you're buying heritage, image and "lifestyle" as much as the guitar itself, and the amount of all that seems to generally increases along with the price-tag. Some also insist on a brand-new guitar; but you might do very well to try a number of used Les Pauls- you might get more for your money. Besides, all of those extremely expensive vintage Les Pauls are, after all, used guitars themselves! I appreciate the info. I did buy an Alhambra online a few years ago from one of the larger sites, but the idea of buying a Les Paul without playing it first is tough to swallow. Personally, I generally agree with you; overall quality HAS varied from one to another to another Gibson Les Paul, even amongst the same specific sub-model and year. You will find some that are OK, some embarrassingly sub-par, and some particularly excellent specimens when trying out a number of them, especially if you spread that out over several retailers. You might luck out buying sight-unseen, or you might get a lemon, or one that is so-so. Add to that the fact that this is partially subjective- one that you love will seem just "OK" to another player, and vice-verse. Of course, strings and set-up are a factor here, as well.
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#2451182 - 11/19/12 09:48 AM
Re: Les Paul Question
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First post here, I have been playing since the 60's. Over the decades I have owned many guitars. The last time I bought a Les Paul it was the early 1970's.
I have been looking online at new Gibson Les Pauls. I am seeing them priced all over the place. Is a $1200 guitar made in China or Mexico. Why is there such a large variation in pricing? Don't buy a guitar that you have not played. It is my suggestion that the best deals on Les Pauls are to be found in the 1970s varieties. Since there are so many, with so many different finishes and appointments, you should be able to find what you want for a reasonable price. One to consider is the small-humbucker Deluxe, which a lot of studio guys use as their 'secret weapon' and, if you search you'll find a quote from Les himself saying that with the small humbucker Gibson 'got it right'.
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#2451236 - 11/19/12 01:36 PM
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I would NOT special order any custom shop stuff right now, especially anything requiring a deposit.
Edited by CEB (11/19/12 02:07 PM)
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#2451240 - 11/19/12 01:42 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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The 1970s Gibsons were all over the place, quality-wise... so yeah, play one of those before you buy them.
I've bought a lot of recent model guitars over the internet, and in this day and age of computer routing and cutting, etc., I get what I expect.
In fact, that's kind of the thing... in the past there would be some duds but some exceptional guitars coming off of the same factory floor in the same week. Now they're all consistently pretty good, nothing terrible makes it through but the Gods don't seem to smile down on any of them, either.
I dig the mini-humbuckers, some of my fave Les Pauls I've played were 70's Les Paul Deluxe models with them, and a couple of Les Paul Pro models from the same era with P-90s.
I got an inexpensive Hamer Echotone (335) that the previous owner had put Seymour Duncan '59s in, and other than the neck pickup in my Tele Custom and P100s in a Les Paul '59 special I didn't have any humbuckers in the arsenal and it kind of wet my appetite for them, so I bought that wrecked Heritage Les Paul/SG hybrid and renovated it. Couldn't resist adding the Seymour Duncan mounting rings with the coil splitting switches, and actually I kind of prefer the "parallel" dual coil setting to the regular "series" setting... seems to open them up more... now to look into messing with the phase of the pickups...
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#2451241 - 11/19/12 01:43 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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I would special order any custom shop stuff right now, especially anythin requiring a deposit. "Would" or "wouldn't?"
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#2451249 - 11/19/12 02:05 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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Would Not. The gossip is US production is shut down while Gibson tries to sell off the stuff built during the Govt. took our wood crisis. This supposedly includes Custom Shop stuff. I'm not sure why. A man who is going to lay down $3500 deposit for a Custom shop guitar is not going to buy a $1400 baked maple Les Paul. Or at least I don't see it.
It seems the demand for Baked maple was very high. My dealer wouldn't stock any.
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#2451298 - 11/19/12 07:03 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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If you are having a guitar made for you in the Custom Shop and you spec a given fretboard wood (ebony, for example...) why would you suspect that they would send you a fretboard made with baked maple?
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#2451523 - 11/20/12 06:50 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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#2451609 - 11/21/12 08:43 AM
Re: Les Paul Question
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just a hit and run, but NEVER EVER EVER buy a guitar until you've played it first. it's simply not worth it. i don't give a sh*t about that "plec" baloney...
no two guitars are the same. they all play different, they all sound different, and you can go thru 30 les pauls before ya find the "right" one for you.
i've had showcase edition custom shop pauls to standards to the custom i cut my teeth on as a kid in the 70's, and after my showcase was stolen in the late 80's, it took me almost 20 years to find another that was "right" for me.
and to top it off, it's a freekin epiphone. but the neck is there, the tone is there, the weight, the whole 9.
and i must have played about 1,000 of 'em over the years between them.
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#2451706 - 11/21/12 02:28 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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Eh... I buy guitars over the internet all the time, but I have a guy who can work miracles to get them exactly how I want them... so I just look for what I want for as cheap as I can find it, and then if he has to reset the neck or something I'm still doing alright. That's a special circumstance, I know, but I haven't needed him to do that much except for a few that I knew going into it that's what was needed.
I'm also not that picky... which has been an asset for a lot of gigs.
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#2452301 - 11/26/12 10:08 AM
Re: Les Paul Question
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Cool, best of luck, keep us posted!
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#2452779 - 11/28/12 09:25 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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#2452915 - 11/29/12 11:46 AM
Re: Les Paul Question
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 Yer in the Les Paul club now... Gotta suggest: * Dunlop StrapLoks * D R "Pure Blues" strings, 10's or 11's * Once you've settled on a specific set of strings and set-up, spend some time fine-tuning the heights of the pickups for YOUR tone and to balance the output from string-to-string and between the pickups * Archer brand clear Teflon gel-lube (from Radio Shack; Archer Precision Lubricator, # 64-2301A) for nut-slots, saddle-notches (improves tuning stability), and squeaking StrapLoks * Some good fretboard oil, like Fret Doctor or Gibson; Old English Lemon Oil will do in a pinch. A little fretboard-oil goes a very long ways, go easy, don't over do it... * As wide and comfy a strap as you can get your hands on; the Planet Waves jacquard-material straps with the slide-through shoulder-pads are very light, airy-breathing and comfy, and the strap slides back-and-forth through the shoulder-pad as you move around, instead of the strap pulling and binding on your clothes... * Keeping a 100% all-cotton cloth on hand to wipe-down the back of the neck and the lower-bass-side-bout of the body where your forearm rests; gunk will otherwise quickly accumulate, particularly on the back of the neck
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#2452921 - 11/29/12 12:01 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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That is a beauty - in fact it reminds me of.... mine.  I like the look better w/o the pick guard or the little plastic thingy on the p/u switch that says "Rhythm/Treble" More pleasing to the eye IMHO
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#2452923 - 11/29/12 12:08 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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I like the look better w/o the pick guard or the little plastic thingy on the p/u switch that says "Rhythm/Treble" More pleasing to the eye IMHO
Me too, in fact, I can't play an LP with the pick guard on it...feels like it gets in the way.
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#2452981 - 11/29/12 04:57 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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Hmm. Maple has worked as fretboard material for a lotta years, sometimes on Gibsons, Les Paul's even. From what I just read, it seems like baked maple would be a great fretboard wood, and is environmentally friendly. And, it's domestically available, which means the price is gonna be less. Also, if it sounds the way it's touted to(like ebony), the only difference is gonna be in the mind of the collector.
I've seen and heard people go through the whole rosewood litany on Martin acoustics. "It's gotta be Brazilian, other rosewood doesn't sound or look the same," and really, it seems like a lot of "mojo" to me. I love the fact that Taylor guitars made a great sounding acoustic out of an oak pallet to show that the way the guitar is made is the important part. The grain structure of wood has less to do with it's tone than the way it's cut, seasoned and assembled.
But what will happen?
Will guitars from the "baked maple" period be looked down upon, and never appreciate in price as much as the "real" Gibsons? Or, will they become coveted collector's pieces because the differences come to be considered unique and beneficial?
It would be cool with me if they dropped in pice like hot rocks! Maybe I'd be able to afford one of these children of a lesser guitar god someday. I'm quite sure that if I ever do acquire one, it'll play, sound and feel just like a REAL Les Paul.
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#2452982 - 11/29/12 05:01 PM
Re: Les Paul Question
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Thanks to everyone for the tips and ideas. I notice in that pic I was in such a hurry to plug it in I neglected to take off the *equipped with gibson strings* badge. I am going to give a go without the pickguard. It does sit a little high for my tastes. Overall, I spent a couple hours today setting it up and it plays better than I remembered my first Les Paul back in the early 70's playing. I also just got a Jackson soloist and an American Fender Tele in the last two weeks. I like the fretboard on the Jackson but the sound of the Les Paul blows it away. 
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