#2445313 - 10/14/12 10:58 AM
Hot-rodding guitars?
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This thought grew out of the thread about customizing a MIM Strat. There's a lot of discussion here, in the Forum, about hot-rodding or customizing our guitars in a variety of ways, and not always about upgrading cheap guitars, either. In most cases, we're not expecting to increase the value of our guitars, but to improve some basic function of the guitar, tone, playability, you get the idea . . .
So, I wanted to ask, how many of us have guitars where we've swapped out parts, pickups, even necks? Have you done it to your main performing/recording guitar(s)? Does anyone keep their guitars totally stock, no matter what? Do you tend to customize one guitar, or one type, but not another? How about a favorite upgrade, something you do to all your guitars?
I suppose I could make this a poll, but it's more than one simple question, and I expect more substantial answers than Yes or No. Anybody?
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#2445337 - 10/14/12 01:55 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Winston Psmith]
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As of this moment, I've only customized one of my several electrics, though I'm planning on doing another soon.
The one in question was a luthier's prototype. There was basically nothing wrong with the gear in question, but one of the pickups simply died- its output was a fraction of the other 2 in the guitar. Near as the tech could determine, it must have been some bad winding deep within the thing.
So I replaced all 3 with Lace Alumitones. Not only did they sound great, they dropped the guitar's weight by a noticeable amount- nice on a hollowbody.
And my planned change is much the same- a mere pickup upgrade.
Beyond that- or something similar- I don't see myself doing much modding of my guitars.
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#2445362 - 10/14/12 04:05 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Guitarzan]
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not much chance of getting a set neck v with a maple fretboard unless you custom order. I never noticed! I just did a quick and unscientific survey of the V's I know, and I mostly found Vs with set-necks and ebony or rosewood, or with maple bolt-ons.
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#2445371 - 10/14/12 04:49 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I've put strap locks on 8 guitars. The other 4 I use them on came with the right pins. I put locking tuners on the brown 355 to offset the Bigsby. Pups on my Tele, Strat, Warmoth, and V have been replaced. New caps for the LP.
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#2445373 - 10/14/12 04:57 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Bluesape]
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I have to ask, what is the deal with strap locks? The only time I have ever had a strap come off of a guitar, my hand was on the neck. (And the strap was pretty flimsy.)
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#2445379 - 10/14/12 05:57 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: stamplicker]
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Yeah, I get it...but like I said, the only time I ever had a strap give way was with my hand on the neck, and using a cheap strap.
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#2445419 - 10/15/12 03:31 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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As of this moment, I've only customized one of my several electrics, though I'm planning on doing another soon.
The one in question was a luthier's prototype. There was basically nothing wrong with the gear in question, but one of the pickups simply died- its output was a fraction of the other 2 in the guitar. Near as the tech could determine, it must have been some bad winding deep within the thing.
So I replaced all 3 with Lace Alumitones. Not only did they sound great, they dropped the guitar's weight by a noticeable amount- nice on a hollowbody.
And my planned change is much the same- a mere pickup upgrade.
Beyond that- or something similar- I don't see myself doing much modding of my guitars. ok buddy, tell me about those Alumitones. i have been hoping to get some first person impression on those for quite awhile. when they first come out i was curious and now i am getting even more interested.
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#2445453 - 10/15/12 06:41 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Guitarzan]
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I put Schaller strap locks on all my electrics, even the Squier Mini. I don't think of it as an upgrade, so much as security. I'm also a big fan of Grover tuners for my electrics - among other things, they can add a little mass to your headstock, which is supposed to enhance sustain. I started using Grovers because I really don't like the green plastic Kluson-style tuners that come on some Gibsons.
On my Gibson guitars, I swap out the Gibson hardware, and drop in a Schaller roller bridge, and a Schaller fine-tuning tailpiece. The roller bridge is fully adjustable, prevents string pinching, and you don't have to go to a repair shop to have them cut string notches for you. The fine-tuning tailpiece is big, like Snickers bar-sized. Both of these will drop right into your standard U.S.-made SG, LP, Flying V or Explorer. They've made the most difference in my SG. SG's tend to be neck-heavy, and the added weight of the bridge & tailpiece help to balance that. I also like being able to fine-tune the strings, without having my hand on the neck, or adding tension by turning a tuning key.
On my PRS SE Custom 24, I've already added Grovers, strap locks, and a Roland GK-3 pickup. In the meantime, I have three sets of pickups waiting, a high-output set w/hex pole pieces for the 24, a set of chrome-covered HB's for my SE Singlecut, and a set of white high-output HB's for the dreaded pink V. All the pickups came from GFS, from their OEM page - there were very strong hints that these are Duncan pickups, which I've always liked, and I couldn't beat the price. We'll see if I've fooled myself.
The most extensive hot-rodding is on the Epi V - along with the white HB's, I got a replacement FR trem, new pots, a new switch, new jack, black strap locks, and new metal knobs, with pearl inlay.
Somewhere down the line, I'll probably get some better pickups for the Squier Mini, while I'm at it. It's the best $25 guitar I've ever had . . .
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#2445571 - 10/15/12 11:17 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Guitarzan]
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As of this moment, I've only customized one of my several electrics, though I'm planning on doing another soon.
The one in question was a luthier's prototype. There was basically nothing wrong with the gear in question, but one of the pickups simply died- its output was a fraction of the other 2 in the guitar. Near as the tech could determine, it must have been some bad winding deep within the thing.
So I replaced all 3 with Lace Alumitones. Not only did they sound great, they dropped the guitar's weight by a noticeable amount- nice on a hollowbody.
And my planned change is much the same- a mere pickup upgrade.
Beyond that- or something similar- I don't see myself doing much modding of my guitars. ok buddy, tell me about those Alumitones. i have been hoping to get some first person impression on those for quite awhile. when they first come out i was curious and now i am getting even more interested. First of all, they are as quiet as they come. No hiss. Second, the original Alumitones are essentially identical in sound whether they are single coil or humbucker sized- the only difference is the shape of the pickups. (They have since developed others that are voiced to mimic P90s or a heavier sound for metal- the Deathbuckers.) Third, that sound is kind of its own thing. Mine are in a maple hollowbody that held some single-coils. Sonically, they won't get as twangy as the stock pickups in a Strat or Tele, nor will they deliver the same growl as the SD humbuckers I have. So in a sense, they are the most neutral, color free pickups I've had any dealings with. As stated before, they're much lighter than standard pickups. To that end, I'm planning on getting one of Jon Kammerer's small-bodied standard scale semihollow guitars* with some Alumitones to use as a travel guitar. They're already lightweight, but using Alumitones instead of SD humbuckers might drop the thing to around 4lbs. * They're called Model 19s in this video, but he's changed their designation since then: http://www.gearwire.com/jkg-guitars-model19-guitarshow.html
Edited by Dannyalcatraz (10/15/12 11:31 AM)
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#2445599 - 10/15/12 12:30 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Most of my guitars are bought because I like them or need what they do as-is. Some of them were bought pre-modified. Straplocks do go on most of them, as I've seen a guy's axe go flying when trying to do super-cool hairband flipping tricks. Which I do not attempt.
My BC Rich ST III needed new pickups as the stock ones were just plain bland. The tone pot did very little to them. (As I was playing in a metal band at the time, and the distortion was almost always on, it didn't matter much). Put a Dimarzion SDS2 in the middle, when I was in a Robin Trower phase. Then put a Carvin stacked humbucker in the neck, and a Carvin MDS (?) in the bridge (with a series/parallel switch). Got the bridge pickup in red, to make it stand out. Also took off the original black plastic knobs and put on gold knobs, to go with the rest of the hardware. Now it's a decent guitar with a variety of tones.
The only guitar I've bought with the intent of modifying is still in the work stage. It's a Fernandes Dragonfly, that had the Sustainer pickup & tuners removed when I bought it ($60). I put on some tuners, strung it up, and decided the feel of the neck made it worth keeping. The 2 pickups still in it work well, but I decided to go for something I don't have in any other guitars: lipstick pickups. S/S/H, black lipsticks from Guitar Fetish. Seeing as they should be bright & chimey, I decided to use the extra holes in the guitar (from the sustainer controls) for a GFS Mod Board Wah/Midboost. One of these days I'll finish wiring it. Hopefully before the Mayan calendar runs out. I have no illusions that the mods make it a more valuable or investment-grade instrument; but they should make it worth more than $60. It was just a chance to try my hand at making something unique.
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#2445748 - 10/15/12 11:28 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: skipclone 1]
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What kind of pickups do they use in Killers, do you know?
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#2445759 - 10/16/12 01:34 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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As far as I can tell they are proprietary, and the ones I`ve heard sound fantastic, no inclination to change mine at all. You can buy them separately, if you want I could try putting on my thin ice skates and see if I can get any information in Japanese: http://www.killer.jp/killer/accessory/lq500dynabite.htmlThe LQ-500 is neck, Dyna-bite is bridge.
Edited by skipclone 1 (10/16/12 01:37 AM)
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#2445760 - 10/16/12 02:05 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: skipclone 1]
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It was more idle curiosity than anything else...though I am sort of shopping for pickups.
I mean, I've already narrowed the field on the current swapout project, but who knows what the future holds?
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#2445795 - 10/16/12 06:27 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: skipclone 1]
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Strap Locks for sure on ALL guitars....that is a must! I have one Am. Strat that I have replaced the stock pickups with VanZandt Blues. Another Am. Strat I have replaced the pick guard and the pickups as well with a couple of SD Duckbuckers and JB?. I have one Fender Tele Deluxe that I replaced the pick guard only but was for personal reasons...to make it my own. I think these improvements that we all make keep the creative juices flowing in the tone department. Everything we do to improve our individual tone and add our signature to that tone...is what makes music worth listening to. Long live the DIY'ers!  Randy
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#2445810 - 10/16/12 07:19 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Strategery]
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I gotta say to all the bolt on guys strat , tele , p bass jazz bass ect... guitar Johnson on the bay sell a great upgrade to machine screws from the old wood screws for fender necks. It may be something you want your local luthier to do , but I have done my 1969 P bass and a late 70s tele, the sustain went up greatly on the p bass and the tele the neck no longer moves in the pocket. Just a great hot rodding tip from me.
Lok
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#2446045 - 10/17/12 01:03 AM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: skipclone 1]
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You haven`t experienced internet road rage until you try to look up something with the actual brand name Killer. My friend, I am The Tortoise. I have been aware of Killer guitars for some time, and have bookmarked their site...and I found it by doing an Internet search.* My patience served me well. * Yeah, it was a pain!
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#2446188 - 10/17/12 04:23 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Strategery]
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Strap Locks for sure on ALL guitars....that is a must! I have one Am. Strat that I have replaced the stock pickups with VanZandt Blues. Another Am. Strat I have replaced the pick guard and the pickups as well with a couple of SD Duckbuckers and JB?. I have one Fender Tele Deluxe that I replaced the pick guard only but was for personal reasons...to make it my own. I think these improvements that we all make keep the creative juices flowing in the tone department. Everything we do to improve our individual tone and add our signature to that tone...is what makes music worth listening to. Long live the DIY'ers!  Randy for real...i had a strat hit the floor last nite, a nice vintage aria pro II "jackson" copy i built up for my son. it landed flat on it's back, snapping the neck at about the third fret. fixable, but very fugly break.
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#2446203 - 10/17/12 07:26 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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You haven`t experienced internet road rage until you try to look up something with the actual brand name Killer. My friend, I am The Tortoise. I have been aware of Killer guitars for some time, and have bookmarked their site...and I found it by doing an Internet search.* My patience served me well. * Yeah, it was a pain! Well I was hoping there might be an advertised deal at one of the shops that`s more reasonable than ordering directly. So far I haven`t found separate parts, and there`s already been a price in elevated blood pressure.
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#2446206 - 10/17/12 07:45 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: skipclone 1]
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Don't kill yourself looking for Killer parts...that's just what they want you to do!
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#2446806 - 10/20/12 04:27 PM
Re: Hot-rodding guitars?
[Re: Winston Psmith]
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I've done a lot of hotrodding and a bit of asembling using allparts bodies and neck.
Rarely does any guitar of mine stay stock off the rack if ever ...my Gibson classic Les Paul got a graph tech nut, Studio Faded got a graph, tech nut, and the neck thinned a bit and refinished. It was a gift so my wife had no idea i would have preferred a thinner neck like the latest Studio 60's style Les Pauls.
American strats and teles at the minimum get pickups swapped out for noiseless ones as well as graph tech saddles. I like standard saddles but i tend to break a lot of strings with Fender saddles....for some reason i do ok with brass fender saddles and not too bad with gibson saddles.
The cheaper the guitar...the more hotrodding it gets LOL....
I have some American fender and some gibson les pauls but i've enjoyed my Epi Les Paul and Classic Vibe Tele just as much once they're properly rodded!
The most stock instrument i have right now i guess is an American Jazz ...
as someone stated above ...everything gets strap locks!
Edited by sammyp (10/20/12 04:30 PM)
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