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#2445115 - 10/13/12 10:19 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
I'm seriously tempted to retire my old PX-310

I still prefer the PX-310 over the PX-350 in many ways.


Care to elaborate? Thanks - I'm interested to find out what I should consider if thinking about replacing the 310.

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#2445155 - 10/13/12 03:04 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: nickd]
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I do like the PX-310 Rhodes though I wish it had either pan tremelo or regular tremelo. I also like the vibes/ bass split. A friend of mine has one of these and I enjoy playing it whenever I am at his house.

I wish that Casio would have included this Rhodes on the PX-350.

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#2445294 - 10/14/12 09:45 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: nickd
I'm seriously tempted to retire my old PX-310

I still prefer the PX-310 over the PX-350 in many ways.


Care to elaborate? Thanks - I'm interested to find out what I should consider if thinking about replacing the 310.

Things I like better about the 310:

... larger, well delineated buttons on a high contrast background

... better EP (and possibly some other sounds as well)

... DSP can be disabled (so you can take the tremolo out of the wurly if you don't want it, for example)

... the ability to disable the DSP also means that you can save non-DSP versions of sounds and switch between them (with "patch remain") without hearing glitches when you switch from one sound to the other... I don't think this is the case on the 350

I also happen to like the PX-310 action. Very different from the PX-350, but I still like it. I think the PX-350 is clearly a notable step up from the 330, but there are still trade-offs when comparing to some of the older models.

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#2445295 - 10/14/12 09:52 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Thanks Scott, that's useful feedback on the 310 vs 350.

I think I'm mostly interested in the acoustic piano sound (I have a Kurz for gigs where I need other sounds) so the 350 is still appealing to me.

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#2445314 - 10/14/12 11:04 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: nickd]
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Hi,

I have the P105 for two weeks now.
For that money it is really a lot of piano.
The sound cuts thru and is well balanced. There is a good connection between the keyboard and the sound(engine).
The action is more on the lighter side (compared to the action of my goog old P250).

I didn't play the PX350 but had the PX3 for about 18 month.

The P105 is more of my taste...like the action better, sound is on par. The buid quality of the P105 is better overall.






Edited by MisterM/M_G (10/14/12 11:06 AM)
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#2445361 - 10/14/12 04:01 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: M_G]
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Owning a PX130- couldn't the P-105 and PX130 be viewed as an even playing field? Speakers on both sound well, multiple variations of the piano (P105 bright piano is not as piercing as the 85/95) and the Rhodes are similar.

I myself would have a hard time between 350/105 but right now GC has $150 off $799+

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#2445398 - 10/14/12 08:28 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: LarsHarner]
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I was at the local Guitar Center a few hours ago testing out a PX-330 against a P105. Not only did I much prefer the heavier, more solid feel of the PX-330's action, but I'm surprised that so many folks love the P105 so much. I can only imagine that the PX-350's will be that much better. Oh, and btw, I prefered the action of the PX-330 even over the Yamaha MOX8! ....although I liked the XF8 equally. Too bad that none of the local places have the PX-350 in yet.

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#2445405 - 10/14/12 10:19 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Marvin8]
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Marvin8
Not surprised you didn't like the action on the MOX8. I believe it is GHS like the P-105, although, I think GHS is better than what was being used on the older MO8 which was heavier.

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#2445545 - 10/15/12 10:25 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: galaxy4t]
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I must also concede that I've been using the fully weighted key action of a Kurzweil K250 for the past 25 years, so I prefer something as close to a real acoustic as possible. Then again, the Kurzweil's keys utilize near full length wooden piano arms with lead weights attached at the rear. Maybe I'm just spoiled. grin I can understand some folks desiring a lighter weight action in order to be able to breeze thru the keys when desired, or for some of the alternative instrument samples, but piano is my primary focus. I sort of liked the key action of the Roland Fantom G8 as well.

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#2445733 - 10/15/12 09:25 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Marvin8]
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Folks, full disclosure - I'm an independent rep for Casio, and I was able to play the PX-350 today at our rep meeting. I was very surprised at how much I liked the piano sample - especially through the pair of K8's that Mike Martin had it run through. Hooking up a 330 or PX3 to my high-end studio monitors, I was pleasantly surprised at how good they sounded, but the 350 sample blows them out of the water. I feel like the biggest difference in this sample and action is the playability of it. We also had a P-105 there, and truth be told, my *personal* taste for Yamaha's samples and voicing has always been greater than Casio's - until today. The connection between the action and the sound is really quite good - playing in the same league as my PC3X to Ivory (which is heavenly).

Class-compliant USB MIDI is another biggie for me - being able to walk into a gig with a PX-350, iPad 3, and a Radial D2 is pretty appealing.

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#2445735 - 10/15/12 09:27 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Marvin8]
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Edit: double tap


Edited by ivorycj (10/15/12 09:28 PM)
Edit Reason: double tap not needed

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#2445756 - 10/16/12 01:07 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: ivorycj]
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Sounds very promising, CJ - unfortunately, delivery on my PX-350 has been delayed - damn!
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#2445765 - 10/16/12 02:55 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Aidan]
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Yeah I've seen the dates have been postponed also at the stores I am watching. Hope to see one in reality soon!
BTW, AIdan, if I may ask (and its not against forum rules): where in the UK did you find/buy it?

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#2445805 - 10/16/12 07:07 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: joemmi]
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#2445963 - 10/16/12 02:24 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: ivorycj]
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Originally Posted By: ivorycj
...I was able to play the PX-350 today at our rep meeting.


Here is a clip:

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#2445976 - 10/16/12 03:18 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Mike Martin]
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Nice playing, CJ!
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#2445979 - 10/16/12 03:33 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Aidan]
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Originally Posted By: Aidan
Nice playing, CJ!


Yeah no kidding - this forum's got some players! thu grin

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#2446015 - 10/16/12 07:11 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Bill H.]
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Nice touch and feel CJ, very expressive. thu

Casio sounds good on these vids for sure.
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#2446021 - 10/16/12 07:50 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Yes.... the Casio seems to have inspired a nice performance here.

Particularly, I like the soft dynamics at the very end of the piece. I am hearing that tones get softer as they are played more softly. That is pretty encouraging.

The bass also sounds strong on this video.

My guess is that with nice solo performances coming off as well as these that the Casio is also going to sound very good in a band.

Seriously, I always thought the day would come that Casio would deliver the goods at a great price. It looks like that day is here.

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#2446208 - 10/17/12 08:14 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: LX88]
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Here's a live performance that features the PX350

PX350's internal piano sound comes in at 3:20...EP is the Casio triggering a Receptor.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4443017066779

Edited to add: there might be a better sounding version on youtoob if you search it

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Edited by Steve LeBlanc (10/17/12 11:23 PM)

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#2446214 - 10/17/12 08:33 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Steve LeBlanc]
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#2446222 - 10/17/12 09:15 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Mike Martin]
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Very nice job. Pretty smile
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#2446223 - 10/17/12 09:15 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: kanker.]
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Thanks, folks. It really did inspire me to play it...especially in the more introspective ways - Mike and the folks in Japan have really out-performed what I expected from anything Privia...!

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#2446316 - 10/18/12 09:59 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: ivorycj]
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And here's a px-330/350 comparison video. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG1GwWGhBA

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#2446317 - 10/18/12 10:00 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Steve LeBlanc]
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The FB page seems to have been removed. Says "unavailable" now.

Originally Posted By: Steve LeBlanc
Here's a live performance that features the PX350

PX350's internal piano sound comes in at 3:20...EP is the Casio triggering a Receptor.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4443017066779

Edited to add: there might be a better sounding version on youtoob if you search it

smile

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#2446344 - 10/18/12 11:36 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: Marvin8]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Yes.... the Casio seems to have inspired a nice performance here.

Particularly, I like the soft dynamics at the very end of the piece. I am hearing that tones get softer as they are played more softly. That is pretty encouraging.<snip>

Indeed.

Originally Posted By: Marvin8
And here's a px-330/350 comparison video. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG1GwWGhBA

Pretty good comparison. Here is a summary of the pros in the review:

- longer decay on quickly played notes
- longer sustain
- improved action (not "spongy" like Yamaha's GHS)
- simulated ivory and ebony key surfaces
- improved readability of the text on the user interface
- SD storage replaced with USB

I have a couple questions. If any owners can answer them, I'd appreciate it very much.

- Are the pivot points the same as the previous line? I heard some complaints about them being "difficult" to play at the back of the keys.

- What is latency like with midi over usb? Does the sound engine introduce more latency when it is active like it was reported with the previous line?

By the way, thanks to all the contributors on this subject. I'm looking to purchase my first digital piano to use as a controller and you guys are very helpful.

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#2446362 - 10/18/12 12:27 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: ClawHammerAction]
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Originally Posted By: ClawHammerAction
Originally Posted By: Marvin8
And here's a px-330/350 comparison video. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG1GwWGhBA

Pretty good comparison. Here is a summary of the pros in the review:

- longer decay on quickly played notes
- longer sustain
- improved action (not "spongy" like Yamaha's GHS)
- simulated ivory and ebony key surfaces
- improved readability of the text on the user interface
- SD storage replaced with USB

I have a couple questions. If any owners can answer them, I'd appreciate it very much.

- Are the pivot points the same as the previous line? I heard some complaints about them being "difficult" to play at the back of the keys.

- What is latency like with midi over usb? Does the sound engine introduce more latency when it is active like it was reported with the previous line?

By the way, thanks to all the contributors on this subject. I'm looking to purchase my first digital piano to use as a controller and you guys are very helpful.

Don't forget about the new piano samples: Studio Grand and Concert Grand! HUGE improvement!
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#2446366 - 10/18/12 12:49 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Don't forget about the new piano samples: Studio Grand and Concert Grand! HUGE improvement!

Thanks for the review, Chuck!

Would you mind describing how playable the back of the keys are in comparison to the previous line? Do the keys feel like they have a longer pivot/hinge point? It's not a deal breaker to me, since the keyboard I'm using is horrible, and any entry-level digital piano is going to be significantly better. I'm probably getting the Casio PX-150 anyway, so I'd just like to know out of curiosity.

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#2446369 - 10/18/12 12:58 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: ClawHammerAction]
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Originally Posted By: ClawHammerAction
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Don't forget about the new piano samples: Studio Grand and Concert Grand! HUGE improvement!

Thanks for the review, Chuck!

Would you mind describing how playable the back of the keys are in comparison to the previous line? Do the keys feel like they have a longer pivot/hinge point? It's not a deal breaker to me, since the keyboard I'm using is horrible, and any entry-level digital piano is going to be significantly better. I'm probably getting the Casio PX-150 anyway, so I'd just like to know out of curiosity.

I couldn't tell you that because its not something I pay attention to. If memory serves, it seems like it may have a deeper key travel but I play so many different boards and acoustics its hard to remember which one does what. I don't know about the 150, but its always good to get to a retail outlet and try it out.
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#2446387 - 10/18/12 02:15 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-350 vs. Yamaha P-105 [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Thanks again, Chuck! My local music shop doesn't have the new Casios available yet, and it's located in a small city so not every DP is available to try. I might have to buy it to try it, so I'm trying to get as much information as possible.

I believe it's been mentioned previously in this thread that the new Privias support high-resolution MIDI velocity, but it's worth mentioning again. On another forum, Mike Martin confirmed that the new Privias (PX150, PX350, PX750, PX850) support this specification:

Originally Posted By: "Mike Martin"
Update to a topic that was discussed earlier regarding velocity resolution. The new Privia models support the high resolution MIDI velocity specification.

http://www.midi.org/techspecs/ca31.pdf

For every note value sent, Privia is also transmitting the appropriate CC#88 to go with it.



This makes the Privia models an ideal controller for software products such as Pianoteq 4 which support high resolution MIDI. Also correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of any other digital piano that supports this specification.

Anotherscott said he doesn't "know any MIDI controller that supports this except for the $3000 VAX77."

Since the VAX77 is synth action, the new Privias may be the first hammer-action keyboards that support this specification. Can anyone confirm this?

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