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drawbar settings for Boston Long Time #2334210 08/27/11 08:43 PM
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Not foreplay, but the main tune - Long Time.

Does anybody have a good starting point for hammond drawbar settings? It's a pretty clean sound with a bit of percussion to it. And then when it goes to the C and G chords and leslie kicks in - do the drawbar settings change, or just adding the leslie?

Looking for a starting point for playing this song in a cover band and I want it to sound as close to the original as I can. At least as much as I can muster trying to cover Tom's B3 playing which I'm hardly worthy of, but I need to fake it best I can!

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btw - my tonewheel clone is a Korg CX-3 second generation.

Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: c4racer] #2334232 08/27/11 11:00 PM
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Welcome to the forum.
If you use the search function ("drawbar settings") you should find plenty of discussion on this topic. Many will include links to pages that specialize in this sort of information.

You will also likely discover why I personally think it is a waste of time to use your eyes to do what your ears were designed for.


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I wish you luck in your endeavor on this forum. Everyone's ears are designed differently and our brains process things differently. People can learn this things in drastically different ways - visual, auditory, and tactile are a few examples. I believe that it's completely possible to use your ears alone to accomplish the task, but for some people that takes more focus than others. Ultimately whatever resources you find might lead you in the right direction, but it also depends on the ear of the person who has provided the information. The best option is to use a combination of all available resources and get as close as you can, and in most cases, that will be sufficient.

Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: Maestro Dirk] #2334239 08/28/11 12:23 AM
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I used to use just the basic 888000000, no chorus vib. for the main vamp. You can add drawbars to taste when the leslie kicks in.


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Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: mate stubb] #2334258 08/28/11 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
I used to use just the basic 888000000, no chorus vib. for the main vamp. You can add drawbars to taste when the leslie kicks in.


perfect - exactly the starting point I was looking for. I will certainly tweak it to my taste. I have not dabbled much in drawbar settings yet, I've been using the programs in the CX-3 - but I am getting to the point where I want to have more control over my sound.

Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: c4racer] #2335596 09/01/11 01:54 PM
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Didn't Tom use an M3 and not a B3 on the recording or am I mistaken?

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Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: Delaware Dave] #2335599 09/01/11 02:18 PM
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my understanding was that Tom used an M3 (poss. modded) for use in the early days of Boston, and then modified a B3 to match. You can find pics of his modded B3 on the net.


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Play a tonebar setting of 888000000 a as base. The fact that Scholz's organ was a M3 spinet won't matter. The lack of foldback isn't going to matter with this drawbars setting.

I like to pull the 1 1/3 a little on the fast leslie parts. I don't think the orignal does anything like that. I just like a little more shimmer when I shift to the faster gear..

Just pull stuff out and use your ears. I use different tonebar settings from night to night based on what seems good at the time. Become the instrument.

But is just me.

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Either way - I couldn't get quite the sound I was looking for on my own, so I reverted to using the I Gotta EX preset on my CX3 with the overdrive about 1/3 of the way and that sounded right to my ears.

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Good deal. I'm happy you got it.

I never did use presets much. My organs always had liturgical (church) presets which I found to be generally useless for what I do so I always used nothing but drawbars. Monkey with them enough it becomes 2nd nature.


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Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: c4racer] #2335681 09/01/11 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: c4racer
Either way - I couldn't get quite the sound I was looking for on my own, so I reverted to using the I Gotta EX preset on my CX3 with the overdrive about 1/3 of the way and that sounded right to my ears.


Given that "EX" mode on the CX3 creates drawbar/percussion options that aren't available on the Hammond M3 (or B3, or C3, or A100, or...), you've decided that a sound that could never have been created on the instrument on the recording sounds closer than tweaking the drawbars yourself in Normal mode.

Just thought it was worth pointing that out. I'm sure Alchemist will blame it on my being Canadian. thu


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dang canadians..

Sounded better to me, although I didn't spend that much time tweaking the drawbar settings - maybe I just didn't have the right percussion and chorus settings.

Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: c4racer] #2336138 09/02/11 10:51 PM
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There is no percussion or chorus vib on Long Time, so no worries there. ;)_


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I played with it some more and found a decent setting to start with. I hear that flutey sound so to match that I ended up with 888060000 and to me it sits better playing along with the track adding a bit of chorus, like a C1. but probably need to tweak it with the band to see what works best in a live setting.

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886300000

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Originally Posted By: Vman
886300000

That's very close to what I use: 888300000

Unlike Moe, I use percussion set to soft (I forget the harmonic setting).


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Tom recorded that with an M3 and Leslie 147.

If I recall - it's been a long time (sorry) - I pushed the 16 drawbar in a bit. Like 688640000. Not a typical B3 timbre.

Re: drawbar settings for Boston Long Time [Re: The Real MC] #2645985 12/08/14 12:31 PM
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Maybe it's leakage, but I hear a lot more higher harmonics in the recording. I ended up with something like 884884422 once longtime kicks in. Foreplay I start out roughly 888004422. Since I'm doing it on the Kronos, I have sliders not drawbars and I'm in a combi in set list mode.


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Originally Posted By: CEB
Good deal. I'm happy you got it.

I never did use presets much. My organs always had liturgical (church) presets which I found to be generally useless for what I do so I always used nothing but drawbars.

You never got out your screwdriver and the little cloth bag of screws and rolled your own? That was part of the fun.


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No. I stayed away from there. I'm afraid I will break something.


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The aforementioned thread does not easily come up in a simple search, so I'm going to bump it here:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2615239/The_most_commonly_used_drawbar


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First three drawbars all the way up. I made presets for this one in the PC3 sound set - I think the names are Boston Screamer (single Leslie) and First Three (double Leslie).

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I use the same setting as Foreplay: 888000000.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Weiser
First three drawbars all the way up. I made presets for this one in the PC3 sound set - I think the names are Boston Screamer (single Leslie) and First Three (double Leslie).

+1

Really nice work on that Boston Screamer patch, Dave. thu


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Originally Posted By: Polkahero
I use the same setting as Foreplay: 888000000.


LOL. I posted on this thread. I though the OP was asking about Foreplay. I suck.

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Oh man! That can be taken really badly out of context. Yikes!

Oh well.


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